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Title: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2016, 21:42:39 pm
Tesla had a parlor trick where he could curl his fingers and a ball of lightning would appear in each hand.  He wasn't using a normal Tesla Coil for this effect.  Ball Lightning is something called quadric energy.  It's produced by two different potentials, each with a magnetic and an electric component.    Together, these four components produce a two axis roll referred to as quadrature.  So his Coil either had two primary windings or there was a single primary fed by two out of phase signals.  Or else he was radiating with two different coils, at a angle.  But this wasn't the only time he used quadric energy.

I've seen modern day pictures showing the type of Ball Lightning bulges Tesla described in his streamers.  One of the most interesting things I've seen (on my own bench) is the various colors associated with a magnetic interrupter.  These colors are the result of the incredibly small size of the Plasmoid spheres in a powerful magnetic field.  The color's wave length is equal to 3.65 times the diameter of the sphere.

There are actually three different directions that a spark can travel through a magnetic field.  If the flux lines are depicted as horizontal lines on a piece of paper, this is the X axis.  A spark traveling parallel to the flux lines can produce quadric energy.  A spark traveling down through the paper (and the flux lines) along the Z axis can also produce the tiny spheres.  A spark traveling perpendicular to the flux, along the vertical Y axis - on the paper - doesn't produce the effect, but can cause the spark to be blown out.  X and Y axis orientations occur when a hard drive magnet is positioned close to a spark gap.  When the magnet goes end to end, parallel to the spark, that's the X axis.  Rotating the magnet 90 degrees to the spark employs the Y axis.  If one electrode is in the flux and the other is not, this is the Z axis.

Perhaps the most important effect to our community of experimenters isn't the rainbow of colors, but the spark interrupter effect.  With the right strength of magnetic field (distance) going across a spark gap, a pulse can be chopped into a series of shorter duration pulses.  This pulse train can produce Stanley Meyer's step charging waveform across a load capacitor, even when all the pulses have the same amplitude.

Looking at the near term future, the most notable quadric energy effect will likely involve a sphere with a very large diameter.  It's recently been discovered that a Mini Magnetosphere space craft shield will work as a highly efficient reentry aerobrake.  If you could vacuum it out, it might also produce lift.
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 08, 2016, 03:37:12 am
Spark gaps are very interesting....unfortunately with regards to your work I can't myself input much...I'm at learning how to calculate distributed capacitance of the secondary windings for transient spikes induced back into the primary to get the spark across the gap with a low voltage drive.
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 08, 2016, 23:53:14 pm
Spark gaps are very interesting....unfortunately with regards to your work I can't myself input much...I'm at learning how to calculate distributed capacitance of the secondary windings for transient spikes induced back into the primary to get the spark across the gap with a low voltage drive.

It's normally pretty hard to get a low voltage spark to jump a triggered spark gap.  One approach I've used is to employ two parallel gaps, one with an adequate voltage to jump the gap and the other gap positioned within the first gap's arc sheath.  A high voltage spark consists of positive ions, while free electrons are moved outwards by the Lorentz Force.  These free electrons form a conductive region.

Another way to do it is to use Longitudinal Energy to pump the low voltage current.  The LE is produced by a diode T plug circuit:

(https://s20.postimg.org/x32mb1u0d/Diode_T_Plug.gif)

Here's a picture showing the charge pump effect:

(https://s20.postimg.org/c7gbzsxt9/Longitudinal_Spark2.jpg)

The colored spark is an example of a Z axis magnetic interrupter.  The T spark goes right through the primary spark's magnetic field around the rod gap, to or from the upper external electrode, depending on polarity.  It's possible that a physical magnet could be positioned close to the top spark.  The dark mass is a chunk of resistive charcoal from a burnt 2 by 4, with a central hole which allows it to be slipped over the electrode rod.

I imagine there are other ways to use, or produce the LE spark, rather than with the diode T plug.

Otherwise, I feel that a coil's distributed capacitance is very important.  While this factor is parallel to the coil's circuit, the capacitance of a portion of the coil would be in series with the rest of the coil.  Capacitance in series with an inductor is what produces the Plasmoid, and this may be responsible for the occasional ballooning of a TC streamer.

Thanks for posting and good luck with your experimenting.
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 09, 2016, 03:15:09 am
Thanks for sharing the picture, the T spark is cool.
I meant to give this reference with a  situation with regards to my last post on transient triggering:

http://www.google.com/patents/US3576467

With regards to your first post ,are you using 2 signals ?
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 09, 2016, 06:03:03 am
Thanks for sharing the picture, the T spark is cool.
I meant to give this reference with a  situation with regards to my last post on transient triggering:

http://www.google.com/patents/US3576467

With regards to your first post ,are you using 2 signals ?

That's a really nice patent!  Thanks for digging it up and sharing it.  Can we split the top and bottom parts of the output pulse train, then somehow phase shift the bottom anti nodes to bring them into alignment with the top?  Perhaps with a variable inductor?

And yes, the diode T plug produces two signals.  One signal goes through the diode and appears across the main gap.  The other signal comes from the cap, through the T tap to the side electrode.  This signal is at 90 degrees to the main spark, resulting in the quadrature effect.  Without the T tap, the static building up on the cap would never be able to discharge, due to the diode plug.

Here's another picture which shows a couple of bead lightning balls.  With a deeper magnetic field around the arc between the rods, there would probably be more beads.  Also, note the lack of any connection to the electrode on the left.

(https://s20.postimg.org/yly0g10kt/Split_Positive2.jpg)
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 09, 2016, 07:55:27 am


That's a really nice patent!  Thanks for digging it up and sharing it.  Can we split the top and bottom parts of the output pulse train, then somehow phase shift the bottom anti nodes to bring them into alignment with the top?  Perhaps with a variable inductor?


I think so if Im understanding correctly, my use for it is to apply it to first transformer in this circuit to be able to raise the voltage of the out put from the second transformer.
The problem with this circuit while in simulation the voltage could go to infinity but in real life the output was only 1/2 a volt.

The T tap you have created is really interesting.... thank you for sharing that !  It has some good vibes coming on :)
Is that some type of magnet in the lower right?
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 09, 2016, 19:43:00 pm
Is that some type of magnet in the lower right?

That dark mass is a chunk of carbon.  The magnetic interrupter effect is produced by the magnetic field around the arc in the rod gap.  The spark's color depends on the strength of this field.  When a spark just grazes the outskirts of the field, the color has a lower frequency due to the weaker strength of the magnetic field.

(https://s20.postimg.org/c0k9dqv59/Yellow_Spark.jpg)

In this picture, the carbon is on the end of the dowel rod, where it previously caught fire.  This picture also clearly shows the voltage gain along a resistor.

Tesla himself was able to produce magnetically interrupted sparks having a wavelength in the x-ray part of the spectrum.  I personally haven't identified the color associated with 'cold' electricity.  Whatever color is produced is maintained throughout the circuit.

ps:  The wave form produced by the circuit you just posted looks like it would be self sparking (across an intervening particle), with a high enough amplitude, or voltage.  A higher potential discharging to a lower potential.  From this perspective, the circuit produces a type of exotic energy referred to as Scalar.  (Time invariant.)  I'm looking for a circuit which produces two parallel, non crossing, identical sine waves, one above the other.
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 09, 2016, 22:29:45 pm

does the mag field originate from the bound electrons of the conductors both sides of the gap ?

yesterday I went looking for info on direct + inverse current theory of mid 1800s , on the search path I also had a peek at 1800s theory of electrical nature of COMET trails .
also another article from 1800s on electric arc lighting etc "destruction of equilibrium" = how to generate electricity . I prefer their descriptions and study back then . (eg:faraday was dislecsic so his writings were nothing like what we read today) 
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 10, 2016, 01:25:55 am

does the mag field originate from the bound electrons of the conductors both sides of the gap ?

The Lorentz Force expels electrons from the arc and it's the movement of these electrons towards the positive electrode, together with the opposite movement of the positive ions within the spark which produce the rings of flux around the arc.  When the T spark is allowed to go to either electrode, rather than to the arc, there is no magnetic interrupter effect.  Then it's just a normal non-feathery spark, at a higher potential than the circuit voltage since the potential of the capacitor's stored charge is added to the supply voltage.

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faraday was dislecsic so his writings were nothing like what we read today

Roughly half of the commercial/industrial electricians in Phoenix are NOT dyslexic.  :)  The rest of us can very carefully figure out a complex pipe bend (conduit), then bend it backwards.  (If construction workers were normal, we wouldn't be working outside of society, with very little public contact.)  And I once glanced at a sign which said smile and it looked like it said slime.  Then I realized that I was seeing the word backwards, with the first and last letters also reversed.  So I looked at it again and it still said slime, with the l and m reversed.  I consider this ability to be an advantage, in some ways.  And I do have to proof read and edit each of my posts a number of times, to make sure I get everything right.
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 10, 2016, 11:14:12 am
I am interested in how this project will develope towards the usuage in creating cheaper Hydrogen or in creating an Hydrogen isotope...
Its a bit out of my current technical scope, but i will follow happely all posts here about and will jump in if i can add something positive..

Cheers!

Steve
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 10, 2016, 15:51:15 pm
I am interested in how this project will develope towards the usuage in creating cheaper Hydrogen or in creating an Hydrogen isotope...
Its a bit out of my current technical scope, but i will follow happely all posts here about and will jump in if i can add something positive..

Cheers!

Steve

The main thing I'm looking at is using a magnetic interrupter to produce a pulse train from a longer pulse, such as Fabio was getting with his Giant bifilar coil.  On the other hand, one type of charge pump was once tested by an independent testing laboratory, hired by Bing Crosby, and found to be 25,000 percent efficient.  (250 times more output than input.)  With that kind of free energy, any electrolysis system can power our engines.  More specifically, Meyer doesn't show a circuit which is capable of removing electrons from a water bath, without replacing them from the other electrode.  A charge pump can do the job, but that should actually be in a different thread.

I'm still thinking about ions and isotopes.  I've recently read that as little as .4 V can change which isotope is affected, or, perhaps, produced.  Herman knew all the isotopes and all the voltages, due to his work with nukes.  (Voltage actually equates to impact velocity.)  (First you ignite [ionize], then you detonate.)  With my own patent (4,260,933) water splits into one H and one OH at 2100 Angstroms, which is a specific color.
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 11, 2016, 03:56:17 am
Hi Jerry..... interesting patent you have from soooo long ago, nice to have someone here with that much experience !!!

The circuit you said to be looking for,am I understanding it 2 be two sine waves with just different amplitudes?

If you can draw the waveform and post a picture Im sure a circuit can be constructed to deliver the signals.
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 11, 2016, 12:25:53 pm
I am interested in how this project will develope towards the usuage in creating cheaper Hydrogen or in creating an Hydrogen isotope...
Its a bit out of my current technical scope, but i will follow happely all posts here about and will jump in if i can add something positive..

Cheers!

Steve

The main thing I'm looking at is using a magnetic interrupter to produce a pulse train from a longer pulse, such as Fabio was getting with his Giant bifilar coil.  On the other hand, one type of charge pump was once tested by an independent testing laboratory, hired by Bing Crosby, and found to be 25,000 percent efficient.  (250 times more output than input.)  With that kind of free energy, any electrolysis system can power our engines.  More specifically, Meyer doesn't show a circuit which is capable of removing electrons from a water bath, without replacing them from the other electrode.  A charge pump can do the job, but that should actually be in a different thread.

I'm still thinking about ions and isotopes.  I've recently read that as little as .4 V can change which isotope is affected, or, perhaps, produced.  Herman knew all the isotopes and all the voltages, due to his work with nukes.  (Voltage actually equates to impact velocity.)  (First you ignite [ionize], then you detonate.)  With my own patent (4,260,933) water splits into one H and one OH at 2100 Angstroms, which is a specific color.

Just a question for teasing the brain:
We know that water is self ionizing and that the hydrogen jumps from oxygen to oxygen.
The oxygen with temporary one electron less, will look for a new one. Normally, it will be a covalent bond with an hydrogen atom.
But what if:
We are able to put extra electrons in the waterbath?
Does the oxygen atom then steals the hydrogen atoms electron or will it go for the smaller free electron?
Or am i on a totall wrong thinking path here?
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 12, 2016, 02:25:59 am
Just a question for teasing the brain:
We know that water is self ionizing and that the hydrogen jumps from oxygen to oxygen.
The oxygen with temporary one electron less, will look for a new one. Normally, it will be a covalent bond with an hydrogen atom.
But what if:
We are able to put extra electrons in the waterbath?
Does the oxygen atom then steals the hydrogen atoms electron or will it go for the smaller free electron?
Or am i on a totall wrong thinking path here?

Similar to regular electrolysis, if free electrons are put in the free oxygen ions will take them, removing the attraction to the hydrogen ions.  This will produce very few bubbles, unless other electrons are taken out to make more oxygen ions.  Otherwise, time will have to go by for a while, as the water slowly re-self ionizes.  This will still produce very few bubbles in a reasonable amount of time.  And the end result would be that all released gas would be non ionized molecules.  Then we can't get any explosive thermal energy, beyond that of regular combustion.
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 13, 2016, 22:01:03 pm
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thats an acheivement getting a patent . I had a look 4260933 = 1979! 
then I had a look on wiki , "they" dont know what BL is .... my interpretation is then maybe they do  ;)
also on the wiki page is an experiment over water dish = max planck institute

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning

I cant get my head around a suspended arc . fundamentals = a neg charge electron is attracted to a pos charge .
a lightning strike / electron flow is going from neg to pos , so BL is what ?   a charge going no where

Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 14, 2016, 17:21:52 pm
thats an acheivement getting a patent . I had a look 4260933 = 1979!

Thanks.  Back then, there wasn't any Internet so I had to keep up by reading the weekly Patent Gazette at the Boise, Idaho public library - even some of the back issues.  Once I ran across the Imris Tube patent (3,781,601) from 1973 I didn't waste any time filing my own patent.  Both patents, his and mine, use a triangular outer grid with a cylindrical inner electrode, to provide a broad spectrum resonance.  However, circular grids can be used for a specific, fairly low frequency resonance, if you know what it is.

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then I had a look on wiki , "they" dont know what BL is .... my interpretation is then maybe they do  ;)

I agree, based on some of the stuff I've seen.

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also on the wiki page is an experiment over water dish = max planck institute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning

I used to follow what was then called the annual International Symposium on Ball Lightning.  The wiki list is fairly complete, and my favorites were the Dynamic Capacitor Model of Ball Lightning (naturally occurring Electrostatic Inertial Confinement fusion, for propelling a "High Performance Manned Inter Planetary Vehicle"), and the Light Sphere SPL (Special Pattern of Light).  Energy entering into the SPL never leaves, no matter how much is added.  It just rotates around itself in two directions, rather than propagating off in a straight line.  Neither does this effect get any bigger when more energy is added, with the size being wavelength based.  It just gets more and more dense, like a space warp field with surface tension, until finally, when all the stored energy is caused to be released in a flash, it becomes . . . a photon torpedo.  My friend Kiril Chukanov gave a presentation at ISBL3, but his Quantum Macro Object single particle theory isn't mentioned in the article.  Also missing from the list is the Chaos Theory explanation which I adhere to.  This theory holds that the sphere is composed of three flux lines, each folded a number of times and compacted to form the sphere.  One of the flux lines can come from an antenna, in the form of normal EM, with the other two (from another antenna) having the form of a Longitudinal Wave.  Or, EM can come from each antenna, with the earth's flux providing the third line.  A dozen years ago, I took the plastic caps from two green Coleman camping propane bottles and put each one inside a screw cap from a beer bottle.  Then I held them at an angle and showed them to a contact who had come down from Canada for a visit.  He looked at them and said "There it is" without either of us saying what "it" was.  Then he proved his knowledge by asking "How big is it?"  A few years later, on the evening news, I saw footage of three really big, soap bubble like red lights coming up out of the ground out east of Phoenix.  The balls danced merrily around each other as they went up and on out.  So, yes, 'they' have it all figured out.  (This demonstration throws a new angle on extracting Helium Three from lunar regolith.  Ionize it, roll it, then bring it up out of the ground.  No digging required.)

I've played with the MW oven plasmas.  When confined with the top half of a plastic bottle, the color goes through stages, until it's hot enough to melt the plastic.  The most interesting observation was that the plasma boils downwards from the bottom surface, then back up.  But it doesn't form a ball when confined like this, it just takes on the shape of the container's top and stays flat on the bottom.  Except for the boiling.  An inverted Pyrex measuring cup doesn't break until the power is turned off and it cools unevenly.

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I cant get my head around a suspended arc . fundamentals = a neg charge electron is attracted to a pos charge .
a lightning strike / electron flow is going from neg to pos , so BL is what ?   a charge going no where

In some cases, the 'potential' is rolling in quadrature around two axes, magnetically curving nearby potential to do the same.  But there's more than one natural effect described in the literature.  Sometimes the longevity does depend upon on-going energy input from the environment.   Here's a picture of my BL sticking to a wire:

(https://s20.postimg.io/mw5xi1n1p/plasmoidspark.jpg)
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 16, 2016, 01:57:11 am
A few years later, on the evening news, I saw footage of three really big, soap bubble like red lights coming up out of the ground out east of Phoenix.  The balls danced merrily around each other as they went up and on out.  So, yes, 'they' have it all figured out.

The word which came down about this was:
"Actually, No, we DON'T have it all figured out."
I guess it all depends on who you mean by "they".  But, yes, "they" have it all figured out - right down to the shell thickness and the color of the dielectric in the phase shift capacitor.  Speaking of which, there has been some recent advance in Resmod technology.  Patent #WO 2014028017 A1 describes a method for making nano-antennas with a resonant frequency in the optical or near infrared region of the electromagnetic spectrum:

https://www.google.com/patents/WO2014028017A1?cl=en&dq=nano+wire+antenna&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU1rze993PAhUP1WMKHQp5AwU4ChDoAQg3MAQ

This uses a porous membrane with voids which are filled with nano wires, together with an upper membrane which contains the nano spheres.  Although this is a step in the right direction, it's still a very weak patent.  The claims limit the nano spheres to the same diameter as the inductive wires, with a series arrangement.  My patent is not listed as a reference, and wasn't even read.  My patent discloses the fact that the Resmods can be "electrically positioned".  This means that it will also work if the spheres are adjacent to the wires, due to the fact that the Resmods are externally resonant.  And the capacitive spheres don't have to be as small as the wire's diameter.  Furthermore, they completely miss the fact that the Resmod length has to be at least two and a half times the resonant wavelength for it to transmit.  This patent acts only as a notch filter.  But it is an advancement.

Anyway, here's an example of rf type Ball Lightning electrodes:

(https://s20.postimg.org/al2u4m3ot/BL_Electrodes_2.jpg)

I put this together with parts I took from the National Treasure:  common commercially available products contain components which can also be used for completely different, advanced applications.  The outer ring is an example of Artistic License, and also came from the National Treasure.

Looking at this, I'm reminded of the Bavarian Snow Sled of Yore, with the two axes at the back.  To change the speed, all they had to do was change the angle of the inductive handles.
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2016, 22:49:33 pm
month ago there was usa TV show about weird natural phenomenon .  one article was about weird lights and the ground glowing , night time of course .
official pro theory , fult line/tectonics plates force together giving piezo electrics leading to streamers , possible ball lightning etc

sounds feasible but also adds weight to the first hand descriptions eye witnesses gave when they went to Nathan Stubblefield farm .observations of the ground glowing

witnesses describe the same things with teslas experiments in the colarado desert , horses going nuts because their iron shoes were arcing

stubblefield would be on top of teslas experiments and replicating techniques to suit his own research.
if theres no fault line then theres no piezo effect so there only source of electricity is to forced the stuff into the ground in order to get the visual side effects


http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/strange-bright-lights-flash-across-wellington-sky-during-earthquake/ar-AAkfSDM?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

 
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2016, 20:23:52 pm
working ?

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/strange-bright-lights-flash-across-wellington-sky-during-earthquake/ar-AAkfSDM?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2016, 20:27:59 pm

so how does these posts get stuffed up and where do they go ?
Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2016, 23:29:42 pm


^^ this site is removing posts automatically



yesterday was a large quake , some one caught lights in the sky on camera

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/strange-bright-lights-flash-across-wellington-sky-during-earthquake/ar-AAkfSDM?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout


my post about nathan stubblelfield is gone . referring to first hand witness descriptions of light from the ground on N.Stubblefields farm .  science theory of ground movement or stress ,  generating piezo electric energy adds weight to the witness stories of light at stubblefields farm .


Title: Re: Ball Lightning's Rainbow (Magnetic Interrupter)
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2016, 21:47:42 pm
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