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Title: The principle behind the VIC transformer
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 24, 2016, 20:39:13 pm
In short words for me the vic is a combination of 3 secondary coils that have the effect of create 3 voltages that are subtracted from each other....

the point really is if we subtract the voltages from each other you may ask what is left?

the load we are willing to resonate can be a dead short circuit or very well isolated.. but what we are really deserving to do is to apply strong enough electric field strenght to switch off the covalent attraction..

so what is left is that the coils under high voltage operation will be indded able to send high voltage fields to the electrodes although this are two separated fields...

the analogy for this is when you have two magnets and they will have some attraction to each other the force that atracts they is the analogous voltage that i mention...
if a magnetic circuit is provided the force would be stronger but actually even open circuit there is a force do you agree?

is the same with voltage

once the coils have thousands of volts and they counter act each other is just like mimic the open circuit of a magnet system like i described with two magnets open air.... 

when the coils are set like this than is possible to view that voltage fields will still be there but will be isolated from each other therefore amps would not apreciably flow...

the point than is to find what frequency the water will break apart



Title: Re: The principle behind the VIC transformer
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 24, 2016, 20:49:15 pm
maybe we could see that adding capacitors could do the same action...

why 3 are required?   

thats because using this principle of all in one core concept.. .

i believe with simply two coils would be pretty much the same and maybe simpler to accomplish

if the coils are not coupled to the secondary and are independent of each other the back emf during pulse on wiil inerently allow some current to flow in the sistem but this is very small if the coils are not in resonance...

resonance would create a current flow that would acumulate over allong with it creating a high voltage too in consequence of that...

if all coils are coupled this resonance affects all coils 

in contrary to that from my experience is not required to apply high voltage low current in a series circuit... instead a low voltage and higher current is desired...otherwise it dont resonate well since the transformer kind of interacts with the resonance...






 
Title: Mr puharich
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 24, 2016, 21:07:32 pm
his device show two unterminated coils
Title: Re: Mr puharich
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 25, 2016, 02:30:18 am
his device show two unterminated coils

depends where you look....
Title: Re: The principle behind the VIC transformer
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 25, 2016, 04:33:34 am
Thanks for the comment
i though this is the drawing for the hearing system isnt it

did you understood the analogy of the magnets and magnetic circuit?

do you agree on that?

i will do a blackmagic for those who read and dont post.... lurkers are not so welcome to me

Title: Re: The principle behind the VIC transformer
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 25, 2016, 05:44:11 am
Thanks for the comment
i though this is the drawing for the hearing system isnt it

did you understood the analogy of the magnets and magnetic circuit?

do you agree on that?

i will do a blackmagic for those who read and dont post.... lurkers are not so welcome to me
I forgot , that pic is from somebody else but same as Puharich.Puharich gives patent number for component 1 of his water splitter wich yes,is his hearing patent.Ive built it and it produces the waveforms in his water patent.
Not sure what you mean with magnetic circuit but you have to be carefull when adding KOH, add SLOWLY in small amounts...if you add to much to fast it could boil out and splash all over you.Its going to heat up as you discovered.... you should wait till the temperature reaches equilibrium before adding it to your cell,you may end up with a black sludge on your electrodes you'll have to remove if not care full.
Title: Re: The principle behind the VIC transformer
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2016, 12:16:53 pm
this is it what i described about the magnetic circuit

the magnets although same size and same distance in the case you close the circuit you short the magnetic fields to the other magnet increasing the lines in there between them and theretoo increasing the force of attraction between them

the voltage case is just the same you can have voltage fields and in the circuit they can cancel by the net theorem so the sum of the all potentials must be zero in a closed circuit with current flowing... but you can make counter potentials like would be the case to add an electomagnet in the magnetic circuit and counter the field of the magnets this would decrease the force between them ... but not reduce to zero


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Title: Re: The principle behind the VIC transformer
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2016, 15:53:08 pm
my fisr tests of the vic back in 2007 were astonishing in that i had found a way to charge capacitors to very high voltage such that i called it back than a charge pump

today i´m mmoving my lab back to the main room in my house where is more confortable and i will be more active in doing tests

from memory i remember that i was using toroids and where a step up of only 3

so pulsing with 12 v battery i got 36 v output

the primary had like 100 turns and the secondary 300

if i connected a diode after the secondary the capacitor of low value maybe 100nf  charges to maybe 50v ok

than if i get another coil and add over the secondary and connect it after the diode (30 turns were better than 100)

this was the thing powering the early prototype video in my youtube channel but inthat case the primary had less turns maybe 5

anyway a light load use to charge till thousand volts

in the case i was using the irfp250 so the primary probably was collapsing till max 200 or something

so the action was between the  capacitances of the coils

today i will try to do this again and determine how it happened...
Title: Re: The principle behind the VIC transformer
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2016, 19:20:52 pm
In one patent about the pll circuit meyer describes the following

he say if the ratio of the chokes to secondary is 30:1 and 12 v is applied to the primary than the voltage is 360 v something like

i was considering my thoughts and concluded that maybe high voltage potential is the same as high magnetic field potential in essence... of course different phenomena involved,,

but i was thinking the if we want to use the coils as a dipoles how do we increase the electric field it will have?

well the answer would be more turns and a bigger thicker wire coil to get more voltage

but also the geometric arrangement of the coil must be thouht to increase its ability to work as a dipole

i believe the coils should present have a greater lengh in diameter than in width...

meaning a shorter coilwith more layers

i believe the greater is the insulation between the layers the better it will be on higher frequency...

however maybe we need it to work on lower frequency...

the higher will be the energy in the coils the higher will be the current and voltage therefore developed in the celll

meyer says the secondary must form resonant charging chokes segments...

and that at resonance the current must drop from 20ma to 1 or 2 ma


so the first thing

we need is a 40ma dc meter to connect between the secondary and the chokes segment to be able to measure it... (i tried but not with a specific meter)

another way to go is to put a resistor in series and measure on the diferential probe at the low scale... a 10ohm resistor would read 2mv at 20ma

the chokes are wound in oposite way of the secondary

the sum of choke volltages and secondary voltage must give this 20ma figure under non resonant conditions pulsing at 1khz maybe...

as the resonance is achieved the covalent switchoff will reduce the amp flow to a minimum

so lets make some math

if the cell have for sake of simplicity a conductivity of 78ohm at a certain ppm ratio

(iron present in water affect  hydrogen production)

than we know for 20ma to flow we need 1,56v to be applied on the water... if the resistance was 5000 like in my cell with very pure water it would need 100v

than if i set my transformer with maybe 20 turns at primary and i  feed with 50v i have 2,5 v per turn this is an electric field of 25mv per milimiter for a turn lenght of 10cm... so thinking about is a low electric field....

if allowing the primary to colapse to a voltage 20times greater that is possible with a high voltage igbt than it would mean an electric field of yet 500mv/mm still not seem very strong...

so how to increase this electric field?

we we need a bigger core in this case so we can get a higher flux per turn allowing a higher voltage to be applied per turn... althought it increase the turn lengh a little it will allows a higher electric field per lenght..

or maybe just air core that wont saturate allowing the current to grow according to the resistance of the primary coil


Title: Re: The principle behind the VIC transformer
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2016, 03:23:41 am
in my quest for understanding how meyer used his coils voltage to break water without amps i found that the vic may have to have impedance match such as to transmit the power to the load at whatever frequency..

when the circuit is impedance matched the power goes all to the load... when using a TL to send power to an antena it will radiate all the power causing no reflection back in the line when the line and load have the same impedance....

if its withing the 1/4 impedance transformation mode.. than maximum power is sent to the load according to the impedance transformation equation... and its actually a resonance... but the objective being send power to the load and make this sistem such that it wont accumulate power but that it transform it by impedance transformation analogous to that of a transformer step up  or down ratio!

Title: impedance match
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2016, 03:42:07 am
impedance match for a resonating circuit would be to equal the ~XC XL AND R values..

this mean that the Q factor will also be 1 so no power is accumulated over cycles...

all power is dissipated within the load..

when we charge a coil and make it to dischage into a capacitor thru a diode the capacitor will get charged till the current in the coil vanish... the coil will be aways sending a voltage greater than the capacitor voltage to charge it untill the current is over...

this mean that at 5 khz if the capacitor have 1nf it will be an impedance of already around 40kohm... this would mean the coil to work with it and be able to dump the energy into it should at 5khz have 40kohm reactance.. this should make a 1,27H coil... but also the capacitor should have a 40kohm real resistance.. the reality is around less than that...

so the point is the amp inibither coil is wound on another core according to the techbrief...

meyer call the system unipolar... and unipolar magnetic field



Title: Re: The principle behind the VIC transformer
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2016, 16:57:59 pm
the feed back coil or any coil in the system gives a voltage signal... in the circuit,,

in my case here to capture the resonance of the coils of the vic the feedback coil is connected to another coil soo i can get the current 90 degress retarded signal..

so what if the feedback coil is not as we think it is?

meyer needed it to be coupled to another coil for it to charge to high voltage this fact anoyes me

when the transformer is in resonance this mean that the current is increased such that it accumuate energy over the cycles

there is two ways resonance can be applied in series or parallel... if in parallel at resonance the voltage is the same you apply but the input current drops as the recirculating current increase...
 
in the series case the current that recirculate is the same as applied but the voltage peaks as it is now limited to the resistance of the circuit and voltage appiled;;

Title: Re: The principle behind the VIC transformer
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2016, 17:39:12 pm
with a resonant frequency of 5khz an inductor with 700mh would give 22kohm of reactance

lets play with this value....

if we got a capacitor with 1nf and lets assume at this same frequency it will be resonant with this inductors connected to it on either side and of same size...

if we get a series resonance this mean that anothe important aspect must be know that is resistance.. so lets say we get 70  ohm at each coil..

if we want to get 1 ampere to flow we would need theoretically 140v coming from the primary to the coils at resonance for this to happen..

if 1 amper flows or recirculate there there will be formed 22kv across each coil... they can be equal and oposite or just not...

if 1 amper would flow this mean that 140w would be going on..

and this is dissipated mostly in the coils and water since water also has a resistance and is dissipating power out of the capacitance

i guess when we allow the fields to collapse by action of the diode the magic comes in

is present to you to use capacitors to restrict the current in an ac system?

for example you add a full wave bridge and two capacitors as input... it will only allow a certain current output according to the reactance... but is an isolated dc source.... but if this capacitors are in resonance this is a whole different story...

the current thru the load will depend on what?

will depend  on the resistanc of the load vs voltage input to the resonant system

because the capactors and coils if properly desined could dissipate small power..

lot of energy accumulated in the system would be present


Title: CURRENT TRANSFORMER PUHARICH
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 06, 2018, 23:12:20 pm
his device show two unterminated coils

depends where you look....