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Title: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2016, 18:11:12 pm
this weekend i drop a steel bal into the citric acid solution to try cleaning the rust out of it...
 
it bubbles and the iron got into the solution... turning it red...
 
i than placed a neodymium magnet at the side of the acid tank and the solution after some time was clean, all the iron was on the walls close to the magnet...

this made me wonder...

what would be the result if we had a way to generate a magnetic ion?, than we could use a magnetic field to create an electric potential diference... since we woud not need to apply a potential difference to move the ions. only a magnetic field and as it moves electricity is generated...

Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2016, 21:40:06 pm
It is possible to generate a usable amount of power with ions.  For instance, patent #3,299,299 shows a system which produces 9 MW of power per cubic meter, driven by heat.  However, an on going supply of ions is still needed, in addition to the heat input.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US3299299.pdf

Patent #2,817,776 discloses a method utylizing a magnetic field, but the on going ionization is also needed with this one.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US2817776.pdf
Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2016, 04:32:34 am
i was thinking that maybe if we had something like barium electrode and a magnet.. .

forming a magnetic cell... as the electrode loses atoms to the solution its atoms are atracted to the magnet and the electrons should go thru the circuit ...
Title: CAUSTIC AND ACID
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2016, 10:25:22 am
i was thinking about if metals develop a potential in contact with water we could maybe take advantage electrostaticaly from it...

if we place an electrode of stainless steel inside a strong acid i guess it will develop a certain potential ref to ground..

similarly when we place another set of ss plates into a strong basic solution it will develop a certain potential..

due to the how much the atoms wants to stay into the metal or go into the solution..

in my point of view anything connected to this sets will be charged to the same potential...

of course no current can flow if they are isolated systems.. .

Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2016, 19:58:05 pm
what would be the result if we had a way to generate a magnetic ion?, than we could use a magnetic field to create an electric potential diference... since we woud not need to apply a potential difference to move the ions. only a magnetic field and as it moves electricity is generated...

This sounds like an “ion-convection generator.” Prior art devices of this general type have produced extremely high voltages but very low current densities, while the illustrated patent results in lower voltages at useable power levels for loads like motors and lighting.

(http://s20.postimg.org/ohpea7xyl/Ion_Convection_Generator.gif)

The operation is based on the fact that a charged particle approaching an electrode of the same polarity will result in an increase of the potential on that electrode.  The driving kinetic energy is presumed to come from heat although magnetic attraction might also work.  I don't know what the efficiency of such operation would be, since it's designed for high temperature usage.  For best results, the nozzel length is less than 3 mm.

Meyer's EPG particles, with their permanent charge, might be used in a loop, to eliminate the need for constantly producing new ions.
Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2016, 02:43:36 am
Very nice reply Eletroteck thank you for the insight about this patent too...

i think meyer may have took advantage of this too... i believe maybe the liquid have had magnetic particles... or magnetic ions as i´m describing... all dispersed into the solution,..

i was considering a kind of cell that would take advantage of the magnet to make the magnetic ions to be atracted to the electrode while their electrons pass trhu a external load...

i was thinking about having two primary swicting 180degres having the magnetic fields objective directed to flip the direction of the particles movement.. .

in my point of view if the atoms in the solution have unpaired electrons they will be magnetic meaning that it is attracted to a magnet from this we know that the atoms from the second row of the periodic table that have even proton number while get in solution it lose an electron and become magnetic

such as calcium strontium or barium

free electrons also should be atracted to magnets



Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2016, 05:33:35 am
Thanks Fabio.  I'm glad someone else appreciates one of the patents I felt was important enough to download and remember.

Normally, a magnetic field will only deflect a charged particle which is already in motion.  But, your idea of using an ion which is magnetic would allow the magnet to impart the motion.  So, it's actually the magnet's energy which would be responsible for generating the electricity.  If your citric acid/iron solution were circulated in a continuous loop, rather than collecting on the wall of the container, then the initial supply of ions would be adequate for continuing operation.

I think your idea deserves experimentation.  Meyer's EPG, when used in place of the VIC, was a circular loop, with a number of coils.  Perhaps we should try using a single driver coil, with take off electrodes around the loop?  This would appear to offer the possibility of OU operation, if the extracted pulses were short enough.
Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2016, 08:07:05 am
i found that copper can be magnetic in the form of ions in solution, but there may be other stronger in magnetic moment.. like cromium cobalt and iron or manganese

magnetic ions have a distance from each other in solution and they are said to be magnetic diluted because their magnetic field cannot interact much but polarizing it will allow the particles to orient

i guess is possible to spin without moving  the magnetic particles applying ac magnetic fields in the right timing

i dont think anyone tried to dump some chemical inside their tubes in their epg. if an acid was there i guess if its copper the solution will get saturated with copper ions and stop the corosion of the metal

similarly for other metals...

One thing that makes me wonder is that when we actually pulse a coil and it attracts magnets to itself this magnets come in a direction as to consume power from the magnetic field

for ex you apply a north with a coil it will atract the south side of the particles to it... if we could spin they when they reach maximum speed it would enter into the coil inducing a bemf voltage on the coil that could be extractable...

one thing i tried was to make a toroidal coil and put a tiny magnet into it

the result although i thought the magnet would accelerate to max speed in only one direction...hahah Years ago) it get stuck

in a toroid the magnetic field is constant all the way inside.. for a magnet to be accelerated it must be not at the center of the magnet field of the coil other wise it will flip only if small enough to spin

Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 09, 2016, 21:36:11 pm
one thing i tried was to make a toroidal coil and put a tiny magnet into it

the result although i thought the magnet would accelerate to max speed in only one direction...hahah Years ago) it get stuck

in a toroid the magnetic field is constant all the way inside.. for a magnet to be accelerated it must be not at the center of the magnet field of the coil other wise it will flip only if small enough to spin

A number of people, including Tesla, have used a solenoid coil as a plasma pump.  I can do it with a short piece of wire bent into a special shape which looks like a heart from some angles.  The current moves in the same direction along the two inside sections, pulling the central ions along with it.  But these two parts of the wire do move apart slightly along their length, forming a magnetic funnel.  It's always possible to do things which some of us may not aware of.  That's the value of a forum, as opposed to one person's personal blog spot.
Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 09, 2016, 23:38:30 pm
I'm going to move on.  This is the last forum I read on a daily basis, so I guess that's it.
Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2016, 01:09:14 am
I think the forum best functions is to keep the ideas alive and make space for discussions..

If we could get figured something together it would be by sharing some work and ideas...

i come to this forum aways that i can with some hope everyday... and nothing will take this hope out of me.

I really wished people argumented and discussed all topics i posted.. but disregard the number of views people dont lose their times sharing their understanding about what they read...

very few are contributing much...
Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2016, 01:32:10 am
I'm going to move on.  This is the last forum I read on a daily basis, so I guess that's it.

Sorry to read that you move on.
Hope to see u once back here....

Steve
Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2016, 11:47:11 am
The nice thing about the idea of magnetic ions is that magnets can be fliped... and i guess this is what meyer mean by the epg spin generator...

he indeed achieved a point where he used laser to change the flux generating the energy for his coils...

he aways said when we magnetize a steel bar it will form a magnet end to end...

the question is why would it be diferent from a transformer core?

i guess maybe because of the movement of the media... maybe it allow the amplification of the energy by the combination of the FLIP  of the particles and movement...

not sure why...

what i came up of thoughts with the epg is that if we could insert a positive charged gas into it with unpaired electrons the gas could be deflected by the magnetic field while the gas charge induce a voltage at the coil because of the movement...

a charged particle has a electric field spherically pointing out or in depending if its positive or negative. .

when it moves inside a tube of conducting material first the tube must be isolated and charged in such a way that the particle dont want to loose its charge to it!

electrons move realy slow in metals because there are plenty of them...

willian barbat have a patent on low mass electrons and he say that is possible to aplify the inductive energy by their different mass acceleration ratios

i think that if the particles are either magnetic and electricaly charged than is possible to manipulate them with a resonant tank with real huge power going on

acording to the energy equation

accumulated energy is the integral of the force over the path its able to perform work,,,

when we drop a magnet into a copper tube it will take a long time to fall because it induces current in the copper...this magnetic fields holds the magnet from falling

the same would happen with the magnetic particles... as we force them to pass thru the tubes as they are really tiny i believe they will spin to allow they to win the viscosity mentioned

if they are electricaly charged their movement will induce a voltage into the tube extremities... or a voltage applied to the tube extremities woud cause they to move analogously

however if the tube forms a coil there will be a north and south side so is possible to use the magnetic field to deflect the particles too

if we think the electric particles as the electrons in a coil the coil will have unrestricted movement for electrons of dc type only the viscosity residue like resistance will show...

i mean causing disturbance specialy audio pressure disturbance into the tubes i guess is possible to have strange effects at least.... analogous to an impedance to the movent of the particles..

i will probably wind some coils over a tube and test it soon..

-ionization of the gas must be maintained
-gas must be magnetic
-can be a liquid



Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2016, 23:57:51 pm
Was the ferro fluid in  the pictures we gave $100 for placed there in Stans stuff by someone other than Stan or wat?
Title: Re: Magnetic ions
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 11, 2016, 00:12:04 am
I'm going to move on.  This is the last forum I read on a daily basis, so I guess that's it.
What makes the forums great are when the big dogs come in and share and help people build stuff...the guys that have actually completed a project and really knows whats going on....I miss Mr.Boyce he was the best at being helpfull....too many people think they can make a buisness out of everything and are reluctant to help anybody or even add input to thought.... as usual itll be left up to the poorest ones to come in and help people.