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Title: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 12, 2016, 16:37:34 pm
I made a coil that weights 3,150kg comprising of 2 chokes 1 primary and 1 secondary wound in this order but the chokes wound interleaving the layers that had 111turns each summing 5 layers for each choke... total of 1110 turns... the secondary was wound in 3 layers with 29awg 370 turns per layer over the primary... the primary had 18AWG so as the chokes but only had 18 turns 1 layer

all odd number of layers... and  only secondary wound in opposite direction... the secondary can be rotated if i want,,,

everything has an insulation between to let this coil go to 40kv without problems,...

What i concluded is that when testing the coils independently their voltages are what i wanted it to be but as the chokes are in connected to each other they become like a load and the magnetic field it creates kind of capture the magnetic field of the primary leaving less to go the secondary or just at a different time thats why a different wave form appear.... dropping the voltage on the secondary and making the voltage of the chokes higher than the secondary...

My conclusion is that the primary must be wound over the secondary and chokes... i´m in the process of finding more wire and better insulation for doing that...

also the waveform was some different among the chokes and secondary... thats because probably on the difference of chokes and secondary winding style and probably the length or mass of wire too...

the chokes had 136m 111 turns in 5 layers each forming a 10 layer of 18awg forming 1110turns

the secondary had around 380m 370 turns per layer giving 1110 turns  (i wound some 20 turns more to have a wiper arm)

The results are pulsing with 10v rms square wave from a half bridge gives 300 v per choke and 640v at secondary with some small difference in the waveforms

when the chokes are put in series their voltage become like 680v and the secondary drops a few the wave forms change a lot

when connecting to the cell with 3ppm water there is few bubbles.. Rain water and of course using the diode...

so far it seems my chokes are just not charging much..

there is gas but i guess is generated by the charged capacitance of the chokes.. during the collapse... i think maybe i just need more turns on the secondary.. but there is not much space left for it... this is because i did a double insulation of the primary since its in the middle of the coils... if i get the primary only over all there will be less need for one insulation step... some millimeters come out of it... i have only 5mm left of window...


Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 12, 2016, 18:40:54 pm
When i gate it it get very interesting waveforms are coming...


When the pulse become over 2,5khz a 20us pulse apear during pulse on.. this pulse is fixed length

adding a resistor in series with the cell seems possible to keep a charge on water..

i only connected with the chokes subtracting for now...

the resistor across the primary does not heat at all ... theres a ramp during pulse off at the collector of the igbt achieves 120vpeak

im inputing more than 100 watts and no heat apear anywhere is very strange...

i´m thinking to increase this resistance to increase the collapse or also even take it out...


the impedance of the transformer at 16khz is 3ohm meaning if i put 12v pulsing i get 4 amps rms this mean the peak may be bigger i need to verify that so i can account for it

during pulse on a positive pulse appear between the chokes and it discharge or revert during pulse off but when the pulse on comes a higher voltage pulse appear fixed length 20us..

i will try to make scope shots and post in a ordered way so i can keep track of my results here... if you want to look and comment or ask something be my guest!

i´m in the process of trying to buy some nomex for the next coils but it costs 1kg minimum order 500 Reais that is approximately 150$ i will also need some more copper and diodes so if you are by any chance willing to help me with any kind of help send me a pm and i will indicate a donation link... thanks a lot...





Title: The giant waves
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2016, 16:20:13 pm
here some waveforms

the pulsing condition were 14v 1amp 14ohms measured impedance @ 5khz

Pulsing the positive into the dot into the primary and diode coming out of the dot on secondary and going into the dot of choke one with its arrow... the other choke also is oposing field with secondary..

you see in all images a ref image showing the frequency in black bellow the other waveforms

this is the frequency that is going to the triger from external input from pll, i added the ref image for you to have an idea where the pulse really is

so

this is the waveform of Choke 2 in channel 2 blue... took with a diferential probe with 2000:1 ratio

in yellow in channel 1 you see the voltage of the cell in reference to ground an isolated electrode is connected to a 2000:1 probe... (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14473)


in yellow in channel 1 you see the voltage of the cell in reference to ground an isolated electrode is connected to a 2000:1 probe...
this is the wave form of the secondary(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14475)

Guess who is this wave form? Choke 1 same as the Choke 2... (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14477)

this is the current  in channel one from a 0,005ohm resistor that connects the ground to the igbt emmiter...
allong with the diode signal in channel 2  (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14485)

here is the potential at channel 1 and diode signal at channel 2 big picture...(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14489)

here pushing up to 26v 2amps (labview measurement) (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14487)
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2016, 18:35:02 pm
I'm inputting 5V to 10V with about 0.02mA on the primary, maybe less.  On my sperm wave image from last year I was seeing spikes of 2kV.  Turns ratio 1:5 aprox.

Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2016, 20:40:58 pm
well in my case the proprieties are lot different... there is a lot of copper ... this fact together with the primary being far from the core makes the current in my case be bigger than your anyway...

you probably had a small core with thinner wire...

i´m dont really care so far about amps going into... the important is what is going on and how.

the priimary has 18 turns 18awg on 4 inch diameter (the chokes are inside)

at around lower than 2khz there is the point of lower amps being consumed... 

i will post after i receive some more comments the waveform across the cell and across the primary and also the voltage between the secondary and the point after the diode between it and choke 1


Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2016, 23:17:01 pm
Fabio.  There is a guy who says he's got this working.  He's given all the information needed to make it work.  I'm not sure why you're not listening.
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2016, 23:53:48 pm
Fabio.  There is a guy who says he's got this working.  He's given all the information needed to make it work.  I'm not sure why you're not listening.

i never saw anyone show his device working... i saw some info but not close to be complete...

i´m doing the hard way because i cannot stay here sit while anyone holds this technology for theirself..

wish i could get his help even if he dont want to show his device... but i dont have any shame to say who got it first or anything... i´m just here trying to make it work with my knowledge and the equipments i was able to put together...

and i´m sure that with your help guys we can do it...

this first image is the voltage across the output of my vic... in this first image the cell is connected one lead per 5 cell in serie... there is two series of cells in the same cavity of course..but the series are not connected to each other like you will see in the video upcomming(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14497)

what you see here in this waveform is the following

as the pulseformingcapacitance discharge to the cell it chargesup reverselly so when i hit the pulse on the high amp spike also clearly tell me that this reversed charged capacitance is being charged at very start of each pulse on... is clear from the wave form....

actually i done simuations of this in the past and discussed here in the forum this same diagrams...
 
so it seems another diode is needed to impeed this discharge of the cell... or at least change the position of the diode..

on the second image you have 5 cells connected in series..this increase the amps to 1,3amps and reduce the voltage to 12,5v changing the impedance. as is a different load.. this change the wave form on all the circuit i include a primary image for the both cases bellow,(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14499;image)


primary two unconnected series of cells (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14501;image)

here is one lead only connected to the cell the other left open... the yellow line makes obvious which  is the only output of the vic go to the cell (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14503;image)

and here only the output of choke one connected to the cell as on the last shot the other lead is only connected to the differential probe(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3057.0;attach=14505;image)

Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2016, 15:15:45 pm
Thats a shame i post all this stuf and dont get comments.... (thanks timeshell for sharing your point of view )

no magic here just hard work..

(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2993.0;attach=14451;image)

when pulsing at 250khz i could find a waveform very interesting to come out magically is the relaxation frequency or a close multiple of it for the purity of my water... but i guess is not the cause of  the interesting effect. what i see is the primary having a 13uh being discharged into the 220ohm resistor forming a something around 8 to 10Mhz overtone at switching off at high frequencies..

Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2016, 15:23:24 pm
Stans system works exactly the way he says it does.  There's my comment.
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2016, 18:43:33 pm
i´m trying to accomplish what he says... make the secondary let the diode opens up the ckt...
but i find that the parasitic capacitance of the coils interact too.. i´m trying to understand better this interaction.
Title: Solenoid Choke
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2016, 01:45:37 am
Stan shows the chokes two different ways with his VIC transformer.  One method uses a few solenoid coil type layers, with quite a few turns.  The other is a series of tall narrow coil forms, each having only several turns in each layer.  The goal of the winding style is to output a separate pulse for each layer or coil form.  In order to do this with a solenoid layer choke it needs to be build as a pulse forming network.  The capacitive reactances between the layers must be kept separate.  (This inter layer capacitance is in series with a layer's inductance.)  This separation is accomplished by introducing an extra inductance between the ends of the consecutive layers.  And this is tied up in the winding technique.

After the first layer is laid down, you want to start the next layer at the same end as the first layer.  Otherwise, the outputs will maintain continuity, without breaking up into discrete pulses.  The far end of the wire is brought straight back to the starting side - usually between two strips of dielectric.  The trick is to bow the wire out at about 30 degrees, then put a sharp kink in the wire with your thumbnail, to aim it on back across.  Before the next layer starts, the kinking process is repeated a short distance from the starting end. 

This system adds a half turn inductance between the layers.

Stan specifies that the chokes are wound bi directionally, over and back.  He also said in an interview that he sometimes provided misinformation, to preserve secrecy from his competitors.  A Tesla fan showed me the uni directional winding back in '62, when that group was still close to the source.

Might be worth a try.


 
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2016, 19:23:59 pm
Electrotec, how about the magnetic fields of a coil over a coil setup?
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2016, 03:10:10 am
Stans system works exactly the way he says it does.  There's my comment.

Agreed! He tells the truth but always tells us we must ask the right questions. That is why I went at things the hard way making use of the scientific method. It took me some time to get at the core science behind the technology but once I did all of the things Meyer talked about started to make a lot of sense. Even the things he didn't talk about started to make sense as the question asking never stops but one must always remember to answer the questions that were asked.

Learning to build it correctly took the use of the engineering method as so many questions that needed answering. The VIC is the hardest part of the technology to figure out but once you understand the science behind it it too opens up for questioning.

Oh, by the way nice post on the RWG site.

TGS
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2016, 03:46:45 am
Stans system works exactly the way he says it does.  There's my comment.

Agreed! He tells the truth but always tells us we must ask the right questions. That is why I went at things the hard way making use of the scientific method. It took me some time to get at the core science behind the technology but once I did all of the things Meyer talked about started to make a lot of sense. Even the things he didn't talk about started to make sense as the question asking never stops but one must always remember to answer the questions that were asked.

Learning to build it correctly took the use of the engineering method as so many questions that needed answering. The VIC is the hardest part of the technology to figure out but once you understand the science behind it it too opens up for questioning.

Oh, by the way nice post on the RWG site.

TGS

The scientific method is certainly good.  I'm just not as organized on paper.   I organize everything though trial and error and store it in my head.  The things the stick in my mind most are the mistakes I learn from.  I remember what works.

Unfortunately, the entire system Stan created requires understanding in a number of concepts which it seems many people are not all exposed to at the same time.  So, those of us who want to understand it have to do a lot of research into a number of systems and not only understand why it works but also how it works, the physics of it.  You can't get this if you don't stick to the fundamental laws of physics.

Incidentally, which post were you referring to?  The Apollo one?
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2016, 09:09:48 am
Stans system works exactly the way he says it does.  There's my comment.

Agreed! He tells the truth but always tells us we must ask the right questions. That is why I went at things the hard way making use of the scientific method. It took me some time to get at the core science behind the technology but once I did all of the things Meyer talked about started to make a lot of sense. Even the things he didn't talk about started to make sense as the question asking never stops but one must always remember to answer the questions that were asked.

Learning to build it correctly took the use of the engineering method as so many questions that needed answering. The VIC is the hardest part of the technology to figure out but once you understand the science behind it it too opens up for questioning.

Oh, by the way nice post on the RWG site.

TGS

The scientific method is certainly good.  I'm just not as organized on paper.   I organize everything though trial and error and store it in my head.  The things the stick in my mind most are the mistakes I learn from.  I remember what works.

Unfortunately, the entire system Stan created requires understanding in a number of concepts which it seems many people are not all exposed to at the same time.  So, those of us who want to understand it have to do a lot of research into a number of systems and not only understand why it works but also how it works, the physics of it.  You can't get this if you don't stick to the fundamental laws of physics.

Incidentally, which post were you referring to?  The Apollo one?

Yes, the Apollo one  :). You learn just the same as I do which is why I chose to to use the scientific method as it forces you to fail quite a bit and like you I learn from my failures. You are correct in that this technology requires one to know a great deal about a great number of things. The science behind the technology is not all that hard to understand but it is new to the world of science as the way it breaks the bonds of the water molecules is by way of ionization. It is the atoms that are the targets not the water molecules themselves for once the atoms give up their electrons there is nothing left holding the water molecules together and it simply falls apart.

My college instructors taught me to look to nature for cues to how things are done and I found out that a plant breaks the water down in a similar way in that it takes the electrons away from the atoms and again the water molecules simply fall apart. Now that I know what to look for I have found all kinds of examples of molecules being broken down in this manor. The hardest part about Meyer's technology is learning how to build everything correctly as this trial and error cost big bucks and most are simply too broke to give this technology an honest go the right way. It's taken me almost ten years to get to where I am now with this technology. Wow, where has the time gone? Anyway, I think I am done with the water part of this technology once the newest prototype is completed I will know for sure, but the science checks out now on paper so now it's only a matter of time before I narrow it down on just how to build things correctly.

TGS

Title: De Electrical De Polarization Process...
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2016, 11:08:44 am
the theory i´m testing in the next week is quite different than what we all have thought about..

i already described is has nothing to do with ionization  but to turn off the covalent bound of water..

the other way to make the molecules repel each other is if the molecules are hit by a damn reversed pulse while keeping charged...

this may be possible because of oxygen having 8 protons so even a negative field would attract it too but polarizing it on the reverse way...

in a sense.. of course a positive field attracts more the oxygen than hydrogen... but in a negative field kind of shouldnt differ much in terms of polarization oxygen has 8 protons and 8 electrons of its own and it need to organize them according to external fields.. 

TGS if you ionize in the way that you mean the result will be high current that is impossible to carry.. 
in my simple view is way but not what meyer described..

he created a patent called electrical polarization process

electrical mean (using electricity)

polarization mean (messing around with orientation of molecules and atoms polarities and rotation)

process (step of sequences to achieve a desired end product)

he said that he switched off the covalent bound by letting the oxygen repell the hydrogen

if he would simply have used what you call ionization (positively stripping electrons off it) on the electrical polarization process he would use your description as its a very nice description woudnt he?

he could even call it electrical ionization process... hehhe

this is not a joke nor a insult brother... just a different opinion... nor i´m trying to make less of anyone or his theory or claims...

My idea is currently telling me that the oxygen instead will need to accept an electron to let the hydrogen go away... actually even 2 electrons.. becoming a negative ion superimposing impact upon the electron polarization process...

when you ionize a dielectric it stop doing its work so the electric field start walking into it and increasing in module like if its thicness were reducing...


my point is i´m trying to prove my theory of covalent switchoff.. how

well i will try to use the chokes to create this spike required.. . but i think that actually all would take would be some sort of infrared or nanopulse involved..

why would meyer provide an air core inductor formula?

in water the mean free path is very small compared to vaccuml... the greater is the charge of the ion the greater will be the energy it will be able to gain from the field before lose it between colisions. The mass only tell  you the speed and acceleration if i remember well.. i mean 1 Mev is a equivalent energy of an electron or a proton will gain if they travel 1MV differential. the proton will be much slower but the energy is the same of the electron... (in the case anyone dont know they go in oposite direction...

Title: Re: De Electrical De Polarization Process...
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2016, 21:42:05 pm

why would meyer provide an air core inductor formula?



it cant be denied , Stans info has holes in it , thats been mentioned on different forums but then gets brushed over .....but it cant go away . 
No one has said a peep about using air core coils but the tech brief has an air core formula , no ones going to stand up for that one

so why is the formula there ?     SM said he threw in misleading info
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 00:34:52 am
TGS for the million times i said you STOP CRITICISM AND SHOW BUBBLES instead trying to get people down with their experiments.

You are a scammer and you know that for sure. You are trying to sell with your gang True Green Solutions the Pseudo-Stan Water Fuel Cell with your Pseudo-Scientific method.

Go away, RESPECT THE OTHERS that make efforts for free without thinking about MONEY.

You are so RIDICULOUS.

Your setup only draw lots of power and EVEN A FART will be more productive.

Go ahead, Sebosfato. Stop hearing this "moderated" that pseudo-thinker that "thinks" he knows all.
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 00:47:48 am
There is almost no people doing experiments, only theorizing like you TGS. showing  proof of nonsense instead.

The ones that showed some works on the lab, you just try to shoot them down with your arrogance.

There is no Moderators in this forum to shup up this guy for a time?


Who asked him for opinion?


Please, shut up this guy until he shows anything valid.

He mixed the 8XA Polarization process  with the gas processor and Matrix VIC, Using cells in series like on the 10XA (? 9 tubecell alternator). Is TGS a DJ to mix them all? lol
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 01:07:28 am
I dont understand why do you think i dont use scientific method?

Of course i do... i do many tables and measurements to take my conclusions out of it... not just wiki based like many...

i went to the best university i could that i took one year only to get prepared for the exam to get accepted... and went there for 4 years to know the scientific method and language...

I really dont understand how do you use your scientific method? Where and how is it so better than anyone else´s in the world?

I took the work to post a series of scopeshots and got few comments on it...

my theory is all based on science and is in accordance with ronnies claims, meyers claims, horvaths claims...

Its based on the fact that there is different types of polarization and they can be used in combination...



ps  x blade i dont really want to have to moderate anything... as long as it dont go till name callings i think is all valid and learning ... but of course would be nice to leave who is right discussion on the other thread.. ;D
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 01:13:48 am
Bravo TGS....for the first time in 3 years ive got my scope plugged in and turned on....thank you :)
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 02:10:55 am
TGS we ask all the same because we all know you got a bunch of NOTHING.

High voltages on kilovolts are generated only at the coils, hitting the WFC, but over the cell it will not appear as you claim.

Did you saw the Andrija Puharich lectures on youtube? His meaning of resonance on the circuit?
There is almost the same configuration (LCL) only missing the diode because his method is AC Electrolysis.

"Resonance" is not LC resonant frequency.

Read more about Puharich.

This was not coincidence his name referenced on Stan's patents.



Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 02:41:58 am
in the field of science resonance is any event that absorbs energy

for example an electron going to a excited state is called resonance

a lc circuit also absorbs energy

oscillation of molecules or ions in water absorbs energy

the energy in a lc circuit although is not totally dissipated... depends on the Q factor for example

Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 02:57:45 am
My intention is to try to induce a resonance on the water molecule making the hydrogen to be liberated from oxygen by momentaneously reversely polarizing the oxygen atoms making them to repel covalent electrons out of the orbit disrupting the force that holds the atoms in the molecule... each of this pulses will make the molecule stretch till the point it simply split as stanley meyer describes..

the question really is how to do this properly...

I constructed a spiral generator since is the thing i found in the history that can do the greatest voltage with shortest pulse possible... with the proprieties i believe is needed for the theory to work...

but i could not get it to generate the high voltage when it were connected to the cell... maybe the impedance was too much mismatched... although i got the classic triangle wave on it.. i should give a new try onit and than i will disassembly and made it again with plastic instead of paper... perhaps some nomex if i can get some in a short time...


about the air core formula... is the formula used to make a air coil with the most inductance per geometry factor...

air core coils are used when they are to resonate...

it was one of my first lessons backin time

thick copper wire otherwise the coils frie...i even made combinations of 8 x 18awg wires in parallel... to make coils.. and they worked very impressivelly nice...
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 03:13:20 am
Good point TGS, This is a good way of going the correct way...

i´m very good with memory but in the university i learned how is important to take notes draw graphs and analyse data with certanty and whats the importance of all this.. so i use them all as a big tool to understand the things...

i tried for years what you describe as you know is the most basic way to look at it... but if you go and i really wish you can do that... talk to a physics teacher high level ... they will tell you well

how many electrons will you be able to eject?

as you eject you create a current! what next? how you keep it?

you cannot just keep pulling electrons out of water ...  some things that will make you think alot

than they would ask you do you know that not only the oxygen holds this electrons? So would be easier for you to take out electrons out of water than simply make electrolysis? sort of things

i mean i talked many many many nights with many teachers and i´m seriously about it i was a pain in the ass... hahah they all gave me attention! this was the good part and in turn i took the most i could learn out of it..

so take their words to me if you dont like mine..  this to start with is impossible... hahah they always start like this

than they will if nice enough explain how the moelcules are not free to move and oscilate and ionize as we imagine when we simply read about it..

i know you did a great deal of work and i dont deny your source of learning as for me any source is a source so i compliment you for your learning process..

Here i should ask what fact suport your thesis that taking out electrons out of water indeed generate gas?  i ask this to you because is easy to get a flyback out of a tv and apply 50 to to 60kv and so on to a electrode inside water and you wont see a fucking bubble out of it..

so whats your facts suporting your thesis other than (lightning storm milions of volts) ?

Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 03:15:22 am
Look again the newzealand video and look how meyer says that the oxygen become negative and now cancel the covalent force... he does not say it become positive....

 8)

if your thankful for this just say thanks to meyer


For me knowledge is not something we should desire to ourselves and i mean it.

Not because you know how do something you should feel you have the right of it over anyone...

this is the reason so many people died



(ps TGS of course i read about the photosintesis..amonia and anything else that poped on web) just didnt saw anything about it that took my atention... what took yours?

What i refered at the other forum is that connecting the vics together in series for me dont make sense... surely it does makes to you so my bad talking about as i told you i thought gunther was with you..

the main reason why they wont be good in series is because of the required insulation to achieve the voltages you are talking about... those bushings in the stan evidence would not suport it..

i dont really even believe the things found on state ever worked...

i dont believe anything 

i believe what i can touch and see working... real numbers.. no games...

in the evidence of my work you see my concern about the insulation and about how many coils i burned
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 09:01:33 am
So thats why plants have roots.....OF COURSE....otherwise they'd just be floating around with all them molecules falling apart...ohhh wait....noooo....maybe the roots job is to put the molecules back together but in their natural form...HYDROGEN.....wow...ohhhh.....noooo ....what is the roots job ...to cut off the molecules  falling apart or else they'd just be floating around....ohhhh mercy im so excited...ima go cut some roots and see if they fly :)
I could be wrong but if this stuff is right i may have just discovered a new way to fly.
Crap forget about the roots im gonna go bag me up some grass and smoke it....i bet that works :)
Seriously. ...does anyone know where room 101 is i think im lost???,
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 10:06:54 am
Nice explanation...  8)

TGS so you dont have anything suporting the claim of ejecting electrons split the molecule into hydrogen and oxygen?

why do you come over here and try to say your theory is better than mine or something?

i´m trying to make a nice discussion... why dont we discuss your theory on your project section? i saw you made a very nice post of your theory on the other thread  " who is right... maybe this way you could give space for other lines of thought and have more space your self to discuss your ideas...

i just want to talk about something in few posts without leaving pages of pointless (i think) (i believe)

for this thread i posted my scopeshots i expect coments about that...

terrible things can happen when mechanics make the work of physicists, when physicist make the work of designer and when the designer make the work of the engineer

i mean we should recognize our superpower and go for it... it will sum with somebody elses superpower to make a super team...

i´m super inteligent, super nice, super smart, super dedicated, super arrogant and super funny

whats you super power?
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 11:48:09 am
How do I make this waveform? The red must have phase delay of pi/2. Someone said with a transistor.
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 15:17:51 pm
you need a zero current detector just like the modification i proposed to meyer pulse indicator or feedback ckt.... this will get you a squarewave with that timing...

its in my project section.. but as you are working on line voltage because of low freq will be convenient to use instead of the coil a small capacitor...

you will be shorting this component to the line basically such that its current pass thru the antiparallel diodes... check it out

for the frequency is low you can use 1n4007 as the diodes and 741 as the opamp...

you could even use two capacitors so you get isolated input,...


Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 16:01:21 pm
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2998.0.html ? ? ?
Title: Pandora box opening
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 16:42:49 pm
Here is it...

you can simulate this easily and change values or components when you fell you need...

i changed it to capacitors for its better at low frequency for your case,,, in my vic i used a 10mh coil... ( thick wire) air core with a piece of broken ferrite inside...  a close core will induce a phase change.. as the core act as a load dissipating power,., the Q of the coil is greater with no ferrite but adding a little increase the inductance without adding too much losses... just wind a coil and try 

if you want to control the phase relation add a resistor between the capacitors and diodes.,. you find calculators of the phase relating the frequency and capacitor and resistor values.. no resistor will give almost 90 degree

(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2998.0;attach=14537)
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 20:18:18 pm
So something like this: http://www.powerguru.org/the-half-bridge-circuit-revealed/ .
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 20:28:20 pm
yes i use such a circuit... is a halfbridge circuit driver and two capacitors in series connected to the powersupply the connection between them is half voltage of the power supply... mines are ?  ...

if you want to make it fixed impedance maybe you can do it with two power 50 ohms resistors in series to have a half dc voltage there... of course the load would match when would be 50 ohm but this type of circuit will only have a decent effieciency if the load has much higher impedance than the halfbridge resistances. this will dissipate power...

the chip you use will determine the maximum voltage that you can find in the circuit but as you put a diode across each switch there never too much voltage... so a good idea is to use some 400v 60amps mosfets or igbts... the maximum current is calculated by the voltage applied divided by the resistance of the the circuit... if you are using a capacitor you can get dead high currents that will kill the switch and diodes if they are not rated... so if you are using a 60 amps diodes and transistors you must have for 60 v applied at least 1 ohm of resistance for sure in your circuit otherwise the switches die because of the current spike...

puting square wave on a capacitor is not easy as you are imagining
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2016, 20:43:04 pm
Yeah sure I mean I don't really need a capacitor, just some way to rearrange the charges like electrostatic motors do. For hydrogen I would need a capacitor though.
Title: Re: Solenoid Choke
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2016, 18:17:47 pm
Stan shows the chokes two different ways with his VIC transformer.  One method uses a few solenoid coil type layers, with quite a few turns.  The other is a series of tall narrow coil forms, each having only several turns in each layer.  The goal of the winding style is to output a separate pulse for each layer or coil form.  In order to do this with a solenoid layer choke it needs to be build as a pulse forming network.  The capacitive reactances between the layers must be kept separate.  (This inter layer capacitance is in series with a layer's inductance.)  This separation is accomplished by introducing an extra inductance between the ends of the consecutive layers.  And this is tied up in the winding technique.

After the first layer is laid down, you want to start the next layer at the same end as the first layer.  Otherwise, the outputs will maintain continuity, without breaking up into discrete pulses.  The far end of the wire is brought straight back to the starting side - usually between two strips of dielectric.  The trick is to bow the wire out at about 30 degrees, then put a sharp kink in the wire with your thumbnail, to aim it on back across.  Before the next layer starts, the kinking process is repeated a short distance from the starting end. 

This system adds a half turn inductance between the layers.

Stan specifies that the chokes are wound bi directionally, over and back.  He also said in an interview that he sometimes provided misinformation, to preserve secrecy from his competitors.  A Tesla fan showed me the uni directional winding back in '62, when that group was still close to the source.

Might be worth a try.

the impedance of a small choke to nanosecond pulses is pretty high..

i have build a spiral coil that supose to be able to make nano second pulses... but i got confused about the active and passive line...

i think the passive line formed is what i called in my chokes a resonant layer... where there is a greater impedance since is former a inductance from the layer below below but also a capacitance... thats why i called resonant layer.. in the spiral the capacitance between the two metalic foils is the active line and this have virtually no inductance added.. but the passive line forms an inductance for every turn i guess..

anyone have a better understanding of it?
Title: Re: Spiral Line Capacitor
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2016, 23:23:18 pm
I'm going to order a hundred feet of ribbon cable from DigiKey.  This seems the easiest way to make these, with little confusion about the dielectric thickness.

As I understand it, the outer spiral foil is the active conductor.  This is charged to the inner grounded foil at the starting end.  The switch is also at the starting end.  The outer foil, at the output end, is discharged back to the ground.

Resonance is important when dealing with the layers of a choke.  Capacitance in series with an inductor is also what I use to make my Plasmoid effect.  Therefor, I see a correlation between what I'm doing and Meyer's system.
Title: Re: The Spiral
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2016, 00:48:35 am
I got a 3 meter of 30cm wide foil...

than i cut 5cm 3m x 2 and put the dielectric layers and rolled... i used oil impregnated paper...two layers of kraft and canola oil... than vaccum...

it had around 45 turns...


i will open it and do it with polyester
 

your will be much nicer... this ribon cable is very expensive here thats why i chosed the copper foil raw and paper and kitchen oil.. but i´m thinking that the kitchen oil would make a better job if there was at least a plastic between the papers or no paper at all ...  you cannot imagine how manny hours take to vacuum all the air out of the paper.. the capacitance increase 3 fold.. i stoped vaccum when i saw that the capacitance stoped increasing.. .the capacitance ended up to be 100nf

I´m happy that you will try it too... let me know how is it going...
Title: What is a Henrie
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2016, 02:05:06 am
I would like to make a post about what is a Henrie...

A value of 1 Henrie inductance really mean that if you apply 1v for 1 second to it assuming it has no resistance at all will charge to 1 amperes..  the time constant gives you also this same result L/R if you  divide L/R both being 1 you get 1 second but this is another thing... this is the time will take for the current to drop to % of its value. it really takes 5 times constants to the current really disapear..

back to the henrie...

if you apply 40kv for 1ns into a 40mh coil should allow the current to go to 1ma...

now comes the interesting part... the inductance changes when you add a core,,

but how does a core work?

why we say it saturates..

actually the core material under no applied field has its maximum permeability... when we apply a pulse the core start to decrease this permeability to the point where in saturation is minimal...

the number of turns needed to be able to apply such a voltage on a coil if the coil on a core must be thought because otherwise the core would saturate way before you need without you perceiving it

so is necessary to calculate the maximum webber and  find the turns that would be required by that route..

basicaly minimum turns will be the applied voltage * pulsetime /area/bmax

for example my cores has 1 square inch and that is 6,45E-4 m2 = 0,0254m*0,0254m  =0,000645m2

so for this voltage using this core like this and this time 1ns i would need only less than 1 turns..

not really sure if the core would even respond in such fast time..

the permeability should need be realy big to provide such inductance with only one turn of wire...


Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 29, 2016, 04:22:47 am
what if we are looking at the chokes in the wrong way?

have you tried to think the definition of choke is something that filters ac out not allowing it to go to a dc source...

basically an impedance...

well my theory tells me that all is needed is to get water to charge up in dc but to be depolarized breaking the covalent bonding...

if we get a steady current thru a coil there is energy accumulated into it

this energy is proportinal to the current squared and the inductance linearly..

in short words the shorter the coil the greater will be the amps and so the energy..

now how do we can make this energy to be useful?

i was imagining that if we would send a positive pulse to this system on the capacitor side than the choke would fell an impedance change in the load as its receiving current from the pulse... than the coil will be forced to colapse helping coherently the applied pulse...

energy is equivalent to magnetic field.... humm

what if we insert electric field to interact with this magnetic field?

the fracture cell and all this nanopulse stuf is making me think a lot... the horvath and all others stat making sense...

its all parts of the same thing.

if i could get lot of money i would get some power spark gaps and high voltage capacitors, vacumm diodes... so far i´m planing using oil spark gap and building my own high voltage capacitors.. not an easy or cheap task.. but i´m going for it...

Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 29, 2016, 04:26:11 am
what if we are looking at the chokes in the wrong way?

have you tried to think the definition of choke is something that filters ac out not allowing it to go to a dc source...

basically an impedance...

well my theory tells me that all is needed is to get water to charge up in dc but to be depolarized breaking the covalent bonding...

if we get a steady current thru a coil there is energy accumulated into it

this energy is proportinal to the current squared and the inductance linearly..

in short words the shorter the coil the greater will be the amps and so the energy..

now how do we can make this energy to be useful?

i was imagining that if we would send a positive pulse to this system on the capacitor side than the choke would fell an impedance change in the load as its receiving current from the pulse... than the coil will be forced to colapse helping coherently the applied pulse...

energy is equivalent to magnetic field.... humm

what if we insert electric field to interact with this magnetic field?

the fracture cell and all this nanopulse stuf is making me think a lot... the horvath and all others stat making sense...

its all parts of the same thing.

if i could get lot of money i would get some power spark gaps and high voltage capacitors, vacumm diodes... so far i´m planing using oil spark gap and building my own high voltage capacitors.. not an easy or cheap task.. but i´m going for it...

Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 29, 2016, 04:43:26 am
now if you are getting what i´m saying meyer says the coupling between the coils is one of they key principle in the operation..

when you pass current thru a coil it generates a magnetic field on that coil.... if another coil is siting near it with a current passing thru it another magnetic field is generated that generates a force between the two coils (phisical force) of attraction or repulsion...

why a magnetic field of a coil interacts with the magnetic field of another coil?

because current is moving... so this energy accumulated is actually a measure of the work necessary to bring the magnetic fields to the point where they become zero... or if you want the integral of the magnetic force (potential) over the distance between the coils..

if we get a coil with 1 tesla magnetic field facing another with 1 tesla and they are atracting each other where does the force translates to the power? is a magnetic field conducted by a copper wire? not much really.. in this case if this chokes are the chokes across the cell are they oposing or adding fields to atract?


a changing magnetic field can be equivalent to a constant electric field  at a linear change...

electric field definition imply that there is a current density and therefore a magnetic field even in static case... (nothing is static in reality)

changing electric fields also creates a changing magnetic field therefore..

so what couples the magnetic force between the two charged chokes and water?







Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 29, 2016, 09:11:19 am
I know you hve to pay tax but still maybe easier or cheeper to buy .....


http://hvstuff.com/high-voltage-capacitors
Title: Re: The giant
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 29, 2016, 09:57:31 am
Hey massive... thats a nice source for good capacitors...

i had in italy some of those 150nf 2kv that costs 3 dollars each this is the ones you see resonating with the coil on the early prototypes... there was many in parallel to get the high current that was flowing.. i had maybe 20 back than.. i also had some dorknob capacitors i got from china and some nice things like coils but i had to left it in italy when i came to brazil and it got lost... i didnt had more space to bring all that i had put together.;;

wish really i could get some of it for testing.... but man 36$ for a 50nf capacitor for 20kv is a lot for me... dollar increases this price four times here and the tax increase another 60% over it...

anyway here this high voltage capacitors are very expensive... there is only one store for capacitors and they calculate the price of the capacitor acording to the joules... so high voltage capacitors are very expensive since almost nobody buy it...

here a 1nf capacitor for 30kv cost like this 50$...

this is why i really consider making my own caps... as it need to be high voltage rated and cheap as possible...


i´m onto capacitors as they are easy to provide a restricted current voltage for an moment....


you dont have idea of how is for me dificult for obtaining parts.... sometimes i think i should get back to europe or even maybe go to usa for 6 months to get work a little there and get some more parts...

really if i had a 3000$ each month do you imagine what kind of stuf i would be doing today?

i wish at least all of us could take at least 500$ to invest in the tests every month...