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Electrolysis => Electrolysis => Our Alternator => Topic started by: hydro on April 28, 2008, 12:01:27 pm

Title: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2008, 12:01:27 pm
There is a new schematic comming, unlike the last there is modifications unlike the previous alternator. Also check out my latest fuel cell built for the alternator Test Bed. The new schematic will restrict amps, and those of you out there having problems with not getting enough torq this should solve it!

if it was not for the donators on this forum there would be no schematic because i could have not afforded the parts to do it. I give thanks to all my donators, so everyone that donated will get their names on this circuit!

I would also like to give thanks to our latest donator, highwater, Thanks goes out to him for the diodes wich cost 50 bucks! there is no way i could afforded that. This circuit belongs to you guys!

the circuit modifications will work with my last pulsing circuit, there will be changes inside the alternator meaning the diodes will have to be removed and reinstalled. This is the problem this circuit will yield, its a problem because you cant use factory alternator diodes, you must get what they call positive diodes and negative diodes from ebay. at this time i cant really say how many diodes will be needed, i am shooting for 6, also the type of diodes has not yet been tested, the diodes are here and waiting for my cell to be finished. i really at this time can not comment on what type or how many diodes to get,  but the circuit is on its way soon!

Give me some time, i still havent got my cell together yet, i just thought its time to let you know what has been going on so hold tight.
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2008, 19:50:41 pm
Gentleman
If any of you know what is the WYE in the alternator???  I s that the field winding in our alternator ???
I'm having trouble getting any H V to my cells...
thanks   Bruce
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2008, 20:40:44 pm
Hi bruce,

The wye is the big buch of copperwire.
Its the non moving collection of coils.
We call it the stator.

when you dont get any volts, you probably didnt have any volts on the rotor......
Without volts on the rotor, you dont create a magnetic field.

br
steve




Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2008, 21:06:24 pm
Yes and thank you for the very Quick responce.However in my schematic I need to get the Neg side of the circuit ( the inner tubed ) to the Wye as I see it which of the three that are there is the correct one???? and do you use just two of the alternor leads to run the outter tubes ( positive side ) ??? there seemms to be alot of incorrect info on this subject...

thanks again   Bruce
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2008, 21:45:29 pm
Bruce,

connect all outertubes together.
Connect all innertubes together.
Connect to the 3 wires of yr stator your 6 diodes.
Connect all positive diodes together and mount them to yr outertubes.
Visa versa with your neg.diodes and hook those up to the innertubes.

br
steve
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 02, 2008, 16:04:48 pm
Thank you for your input
It's off to the hardware store I will connect all diodes to a piece of aluminum angle ( 3 and 3 )two seperate pieces of alluminum.
Also on the  bifalar coils ( are they Tesla pancake coills seperatly made ,or are they coills wound on a wooded 3/8" dowel ( aprox 5 " long ) the ones I made are wound on a common piece of 1/2 " steel pipe aprox 16" long and What are the values on the resisters naxt to the Bifalars???
thx again  Bruce
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 02, 2008, 19:30:19 pm
Just start with the alternator and yr tubes.
Measure your gas output, volts and amps.
Do that 3 times with changing yr water.
You that data as reference point.
Then go for the experimental stuff like bif coils etc.
Bif coils are made as pancakes and on bar-cores.
Just wire 2 wires in parallel.
But dont forget that you have to pulse the bifcoils. It doesnt work with strait DC.

br
steve








 
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 02, 2008, 20:19:44 pm
So? When will this new design be released?

I really am starting to believe in the alternator setup, espically after watching one of stan meyers news videos, you can see from several angles a 110V motor and alternator setup on each side of his car, seperate from the engines alternator. See below.

I'm sure this was one of his earlier designs as his later work shows nothing to do with alternators, which makes sense as it could be too easily replicated.
It's like you said in another post. The alternator needs to be spun at a constant speed, (around 2500-3000RPM's) which is why he is using the motors to turn them instead of the engine.


(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f389/xbradkx/Stanmeyerspictures-car.jpg)
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 03, 2008, 05:09:05 am
i agree that he used 120 volts now, the new design sucks and does not produce any good gas, the new design was intended to restrict amp flow and thats just what it does,,, so less amp flow less gas... so im not sure i should even bother with it?

at this time the previouse alternator schematic is the better one, but this one i have not released yet shows how amp restriction works. if you're not an electronic kid then you probably cant tell much by just looking at the circuit.

later on, stan ran his car directly from water, not hydrogen.
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 03, 2008, 11:34:48 am
Aloha,
Hydrocars- You had mentioned that the new design was intended to restrict amp flow. Then you said "lees amp flow less gas".
Stan has said it's good to restrict amp flow but to maintain voltage. I have heard Mr. Boyce is using less than 1 amp.
So I guess that he is getting voltage (and major production) from his circuit and toroidals. I was told that Bob said frequency is not critical, or it's not in the frequency. 
I have no idea what your system consists of, but I am thinking that the really important part of this thing is in the
coils. And how they are configured.   
Bill
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 03, 2008, 14:00:18 pm
Bill,

i dont know where you heard that bob is doing many liters of hydroxy with less then 1 amp.
I do know that he uses higher volts, like 110 and lots of neutral plates, to get a voltage of 2 volts across each plate. He also uses chemicals.
His circuit is also here on the forum and shows a 3 frequency mixer into a coil.

br
steve















Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 03, 2008, 14:08:38 pm
Stevie

Your'e right. Bob's setup uses a 500W or bigger  inverter  (12V -> 110V), so his setup is using at least 40 amps to produce the +-80 liters per minute hydroxy. In his setup the frequency is indeed important and he uses 3 frequencies that are harmonics of each other, depending on the water round about  10.7 kHz, 21.4 kHz and 42.8 kHz

Wouter
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 03, 2008, 19:39:10 pm


I think we should all have a closer look at the boyce circuit!

After all his design reaches 600-1300% beyond faraday as he states.

What I would like to do, or see someone else do, is build a boyce circuit that is more similiar to the lawton circuit.

For instance.



Build a boyce circuit which has the frequency ranges about the same as the lawton circuit, and make them gated with an adjustable mark space ratio like the lawton circuit.

Then build the torrodial core (as shown in the boyce circuit) but include he resonant charging chokes and diode as well)

Test the circuit using a meyers (tube setup) in pure tap water with no additives!

Test with all three at the same frequency throughout the entire frequency range, and mix frequencies and so on.



If anyone has the electrical knowledge, or comments about this please share, I would liek to try this out myself, or see someone elese try it if it is believed to be viable.
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 03, 2008, 23:42:42 pm
From the way i understand it, the boyce cicuit has 3 primary windings on the coil wich goes to the circuit, it has 1 secondary winding that goes to the cell, not only does the circuit pulse the primarys but he applies some form of voltage, 100 volts or so externaly to the secondary side some way or another, it is the spikes that ride on this voltage that does something?

thats the way i understood it from a friend i had dinner with.
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 04, 2008, 15:17:07 pm
Hydro

Page p78-102 of the document Chapter10.pdf written by Patrick Kelly, gives a detailed description of Bob's system:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hydroxy/files/Chapter10.pdf

Wouter
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 13:21:41 pm
Aloha,
Stevie, while I don't personally communicate with Mr. Boyce, I have a close advisor who does.
I was told that Mr. Boyce is using less than 1 amp in his current work. Considering the output of electrons he is receiving, maybe he is using that power.
Otherwise, I agree that understanding how Bob's system works may well help us see where Stan was going.
Bill
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2008, 18:10:29 pm
i heard boyces cell has taken on a great charge, and the coating is acting as a diode or barrier or summin.. due to the fact that its a series cell its very high voltage, and the coating has something to do with the freq bob sends to the plates, without that coating the frequecy want work,, Odd huhh?

i have been ill this past week, its due to low gas generator probably.. sorry about that people! I will take a break, day or 2 then i will start back over,, i may also order me some new SS tube that T304 and not 316L like i have, this could also play a roll in both bobs and Meyers setup,, any thoughts on the type of SS?
Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2008, 00:28:57 am
Stainless Steel is a very interesting metal. It is an alloy of Iron that has had at least 10% chromium added to it to improve it's corrosion resistance. There are slight differences between 304 and 316 stainless steel. 316 stainless is generally harder than 304, and is also more corrosion resistant due to it's higher molybendum content. 304 stainless steel is more of an all around alloy because of it's workability. It is easier to form and weld than 316. Oh yeah, and 316 is more expensive!

Those are about the only differences between them. The similarities they share are that they can not be heat treated, rather they must be strain hardened (cold rolled). If they are hardened they may take on a slightly magnetic state. They must also be kept below 1600 degrees F to maintain their corrosion resistance.

I don't really know if that helps, but there may be something in there that will confirm or deny your feelings about the different types.

Title: Re: April 28th, Latest Alternator Schematic Update
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2008, 04:10:25 am
 I don't have a lot to say here. We have been working with SS for the past 20 years. We have a welding shop, and manufacture Sand Scoops, for recovering objects found in the Ocean, with Metal Detectors.  We use 304 SS. It is NOT rusting, or we would have been out of business years ago.

  I'm not about to get in a pissing contest with Metalurgists and other authorities. Just telling y'all what we have found. In the beginning, we used a STEEL wire wheel, to buff off the impurities from Tig welding, and had complaints about the scoops rusting. We switched to SS wire wheels, and never looked back. We were told that the steel would embed tiny particles into the SS , and THAT was what was rusting. Sure changed things, immediately ???

  Maybe this will help a little in building cells ???

   I recently returned from the states, and brought back, 15 plates about 3" X 4½" X .065 of 304, to see if I can get a cell working.

  I don't have much in other materials , so we will see what I manage to cobble up.

  Oh yeah, I DID get my books about Hydrogen, while in the states, but, it is all straight Hydrogen info. If anyone feels it still might be usable info, tell me what your needs are, and I will be glad to post it in the correct thread.  ;D