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Title: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 13, 2014, 12:55:49 pm
Hello i was taking a read again at the Electrical Pulse Generator patent from stanley meyer and found out that its just amazing!

From what i understand it can generate big currents with no back force since the magnetic field of the generated current should be mostly contained within the toroidal ring former.

It follows the idea of the homopolar generator and thereto it can generate direct current or pulsed current....

There are no contact brushes...


If i understood it correct it has two north poles facing each other having the toroidal coil passing there between...

the north on one side induce voltage upwards and the other side downwards.. .

simply genius

i was guessing if the EPG particle accelerator relies its operation on the same principle..

 (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2846.0;attach=13273;image)





Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2014, 00:19:47 am
primary can be a magnet bemf does work at last... but no ou here
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2014, 03:51:07 am
I didn't understood it very well your drawing could you explain little better?

Geon this is the case in my drawing where the magnetic field is zero but theres still induction that you mentioned. Do you know this patent?

I just made a diagram of what is happening in this patent and noticed that is the same case. The coil represented there in this drawing is a toroidal coil so the north going into the paper represented by the x x x is the back magnetic field but its contain inside the toroidal coil since outside a toroidal coil the magnetic field is zero.

thereto the claim of meyer that it does not create an opposite magnetic field might come true.

I'm constructing the EE core generator to test ...
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2014, 08:44:39 am
magnetic field strength is 1/r^3 approximately so yes it could work even if B field is zero in total but not for each wire.. in meyer patent emf is induced in each wire and the current induces the magnetic field inside the toroid .. in my drawing the same happens but I use the bemf from the secondary , one coil has opposite velocity from the other, if you add one third coil and put the secondary inside the toroid it's exactly the same but it uses the bemf from the coils to induce current in the toroid.. unfortunately lenz law still applies in my drawing ..\\\\ the magnetic field of the toroid itself and fields inside are contained inside the toroid  , in the case of meyer the fields are perpendicular and can't affect each other.

Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2014, 11:05:29 am
Yes i think you got it!

Exactly the bemf of the induced current in the toroid is inside the toroid so its field is perpendicular to the induced field so the back force shouldn't exist.

i didn't understood your drawing yet that much...

In the case of meyer only the toroid moves te field coils are stationary.... in the preferred embodiment theres this first toroid that moves in a disk where there are also field coils on the other side which turns together with said first toroid and induces in a second stationary toroid the voltage to the loads...
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2014, 19:45:41 pm
epg if there were a magnet in the electron's a s s  it would go forever  ;D  are there such electrons with assmagnets? for easier calculation take the electron to be the observer.. electron must have speed first

the orange stuff is the coil there a guy named william j. hooper it hit me while reading his stuff

regarding the previous drawing the v are the velocities of the coils.. the opposite magnetic field comes from the secondary back emf ..
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2014, 23:36:17 pm
that was nice link
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2014, 09:06:56 am
do u understand?
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2014, 13:14:14 pm
Nope... maybe if you explain in detail....

I aways try to get everything in the detail very clear to let you understand...
normally if i'm not able to explain is sign that i don't get it clear to myself either... 


Please if you could explain your ideas more completely, this way i can understand it a little better and get to discuss it to arrive somewhere...

=)
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2014, 14:55:01 pm
I was researching more about this and i think that this patent Electrical Pulse generator is a type of homopolar generator but as the output coil forms a toroid the magnetic reaction force to the induced current should not be as greater as the generated current since the magnetic field start getting contained inside the toroid...

I'm not sure thats completely true...

would you help?

why it shouldn't work?

I was wondering if the magnetic field inside the toroid can cancel the induced voltage..

(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2846.0;attach=13273;image)


The coil represents a toroid that moves cutting the magnetic field lines....
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2014, 15:10:42 pm
As you know some magnetic flux points to the side of the moving coil and interacts with the toroid field but there's no magnetic "drag" from this (you can analyze the vectors) .. so this is a lenzless generator.. but its not overunity meaning it needs input to generate energy.. the moving coils' fields can pass inside the toroid.. the toroid field can't pass outside , the vectors look like they would push more current in the toroid...but I'm not sure

now regarding my drawing F= v x B for moving charges  I guess you know that, now take the moving charge of the wire conductor to be the observer v<<c ..  you can arrive to the F=B x v of william hooper .. the force is towards the wire conductor.. the spiralling coil means that the force that moves the charges towards the center also creates a magnetic field of its own that can interact with the charge inside the conductor, the current should be pulsed dc..ofcourse I can be wrong.. but this is too similar with other stuff... to be completely wrong.

the black stuff is the wire and the orange the coil..
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2014, 21:55:12 pm
As you know some magnetic flux points to the side of the moving coil and interacts with the toroid field but there's no magnetic "drag" from this (you can analyze the vectors) .. so this is a lenzless generator.. but its not overunity meaning it needs input to generate energy.. the moving coils' fields can pass inside the toroid.. the toroid field can't pass outside , the vectors look like they would push more current in the toroid...but I'm not sure

now regarding my drawing F= v x B for moving charges  I guess you know that, now take the moving charge of the wire conductor to be the observer v<<c ..  you can arrive to the F=B x v of william hooper .. the force is towards the wire conductor.. the spiralling coil means that the force that moves the charges towards the center also creates a magnetic field of its own that can interact with the charge inside the conductor, the current should be pulsed dc..ofcourse I can be wrong.. but this is too similar with other stuff... to be completely wrong.

the black stuff is the wire and the orange the coil..

I'm not sure if its going or not to be over unity but if it generate more electricity than the back force certainly is going to be! it does not matter that you need tu put energy to turn it. over unity concept means generate more energy than it consumes,,, simply

I still don't understand your drawing...

I don't understand how those shorted coils are operating...
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2014, 23:31:20 pm
red are negative charges blue are positive charges..charges can come only from the red area even though the force vector points in a different direction..force is greater towards the center ...  see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depletion_region (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depletion_region) 


maybe the coil arrangement is different in meyer setup I don't know... you try
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2014, 03:42:01 am
red are negative charges blue are positive charges..charges can come only from the red area even though the force vector points in a different direction..force is greater towards the center ...  see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depletion_region (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depletion_region) 


maybe the coil arrangement is different in meyer setup I don't know... you try

Now sorry man, but i don't have a clue of what are you talking about...

Maybe try to explain each part separately and completely otherwise i guess we can't arrive anywhere...

Did anyone else understood all this?

=)

Keep strong we'll get there!
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2014, 07:44:12 am
Do you think the Electrical pulse generator could be constructed with permanent magnets instead of electromagnets?

I'm talking about this patent for clarity 4,613,779

i'm thinking how to get it assembly
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2014, 07:55:39 am
voltage is a function of distance here... there's a voltage differential between the inner and outer radius of the coil(forget that its grounded)..and different current densities..

ΔV=B*v*width of the wire... = μ*Ι*v*w/(2*π*distance)  voltage is not a vector function... it has no direction...do you understand now???


it can work with permanent magnets if it works with electromagnets ...
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 17, 2014, 22:35:13 pm
energy is conserved in meyers motor isnt it?
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 18, 2014, 06:10:26 am
according to his claims its an over unity generator... that can amplify power.
Title: Why over unity is more than possible?
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 20, 2014, 01:48:50 am
If you ask me where the energy should come from to let the energy be conserved... The answer is...

I'm going to tell you why i think over unity is more than possible with just 3 words.

We are Here!

Big bang, God or whatever.

The simple fact that so much energy was created in form of mass is a consequence and proof that energy can simply be created if requirements for it to happen are met.
Title: Re: The most overlooked patent
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2014, 11:08:25 am
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm

I guess its very similar don't you think?