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Title: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 12, 2013, 23:57:03 pm
When I look at the bottom of a beer can, I'm reminded of a dynode.  It has the perfect shape and is aluminum.  This is a good metal for secondary emission and one electron can produce 7 or 8 secondaries, one for each 28V. total electron impact velocity.  In fact, I've got 24 boxes of empty cans saved up, each with 12 cans.  This is in case I decide to mass produce something, such as Farnsworth's Inverter patent 2159521.  This uses opposing electrode structures, but not secondary emission.  It just uses the oscillating electric field's pressure, which is converted into AC, for instance, high powered rf.  Although the output power is voltage dependent.

One thing I've seen while reading Farnsworth's patents is that ions can also be used in his tubes, even for secondary emission.  He says this lowers the frequency for a given voltage and dynode spacing by a factor of 500.  Presuming a vacuum of around -4.  Even with the lowered frequency it might be difficult to get down to 50 or 60 Hz.  So I'd like to see if I can get another drop in the frequency factor by using atmospheric pressure ions, such as with my magnetic plasmoid.

Even if some type of pumping system had to be set up to use low pressure ions, this Tube would be great for generating a lot of high powered frequencies people like to use.  Such as 1.4 MHz for pulse electrolysis.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 13, 2013, 10:26:26 am
hahaha drinking beers for a noble cause  ;D  aluminium isnt the best material to use I'm guessing if you coat it with ZnO it's possible
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2013, 14:54:22 pm
thank you for that name !!!

* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,773,980 : Television system (filed 7 January 1927, issued 26 August 1930)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,773,981 : Television receiving system (filed 7 January 1927, issued 26 August 1930)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,758,359 : Electric oscillator system (filed 7 January 1927, issued May 13, 1930)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,806,935 : Light valve (filed 7 January 1927, issued 26 May 1931)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,168,768 : Television method (filed 9 January 1928, issued 8 August 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,970,036 : Photoelectric apparatus (filed 9 January 1928, issued 14 August 1934)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,246,625 : Television scanning and synchronization system (filed May 5, 1930, issued June 24, 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 1,941,344 : Dissector target (filed 7 July 1930, issued 26 December 1933)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,140,284 : Projecting oscillight (filed 14 July 1931, issued 13 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,059,683 : Scanning oscillator (filed 3 April 1933, issued 3 November 1936)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,087,683 : Image dissector (filed 26 April 1933, issued 20 July 1937)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,071,516 : Oscillation generator (filed 5 July 1934, issued 23 February 1937)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,143,145 : Projection means (filed 6 November 1934, issued 10 January 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,233,887 : Image projector (filed 6 February 1935, issued 4 March 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,143,262 : Means of electron multipaction (filed 12 March 1935, issued 10 January 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,174,488 : Oscillator (filed 12 March 1935, issued 26 September 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,221,473 : Amplifier (filed 12 March 1935, issued 12 November 1940)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,155,478 : Means for producing incandescent images (filed 7 May 1935, issued 25 April 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,140,695 : Charge storage dissector (filed 6 July 1935, issued 20 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,228,388 : Cathode ray amplifier (filed 6 July 1935, issued 14 January 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,233,888 : Charge storage amplifier (filed 6 July 1935, issued 4 March 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,251,124 : Cathode ray amplifying tube (filed 10 August 1935, issued 29 July 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,100,842 : Charge storage tube (filed 14 September 1935, issued 30 November 1937)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,137,528 : Multipactor oscillator (filed 27 January 1936, issued 22 November 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,214,077 : Scanning current generator (filed 10 February 1936, issued 10 September 1940)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,089,054 : Incandescent light source (filed 9 March 1936, issued 3 August 1937)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,159,521 : Absorption oscillator (filed 9 March 1936, issued 23 May 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,139,813 : Secondary emission electrode (filed 24 March 1936, issued 13 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,204,479 : Means and method for producing electronic multiplication (filed 16 May 1936, issued 11 June 1940)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,140,832 : Means and method of controlling electron multipliers (filed 16 May 1936, issued 20 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,260,613 : Electron multiplier (filed 18 May 1936, issued 28 October 1941)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,141,837 : Multistage multipactor (filed 1 June 1936, issued 27 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,216,265 : Image dissector (filed 18 August 1936, issued 1 October 1940)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,128,580 : Means and method of operating electron multipliers (filed 18 August 1936, issued 30 August 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,143,146 : Repeater (filed 31 October 1936, issued 10 January 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,139,814 : Cathode ray tube (filed 2 November 1936, issued 13 December 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,109,289 : High power projection oscillograph (filed 2 November 1936, issued 22 February 1938)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,184,910 : Cold cathode electron discharge tube (filed 4 November 1936, issued 26 December 1939)
* Philo T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,179,996 : Electron multiplier (filed 9 November 1936, issued 14 November 1939)
* P.T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,221,374 : X-ray projection device
* P.T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 2,263,032 : Cold cathode electron discharge tube
* P.T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 3,258,402 : Electric discharge device for producing interaction between nuclei
* P.T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 3,386,883 : Method and apparatus for producing nuclear fusion reactions
* P.T. Farnsworth, U.S. Patent 3,664,920 : Electrostatic containment in fusion reactors
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2013, 20:37:06 pm
Very impressive list of patents!  ;D

Aluminum can be used as a secondary emitter, depending on electrode mass, and cooling.  And if spiraling trajectories cause multiple impacts with each primary.  Something else of interest Farnsworth pointed out is that each secondary emission can send a longitudinal pulse through an rf choke, which blocks normal HV potential.  So Farnsworth Tubes can be used as a source of Longitudinal Energy.

Dynodes will still work for the inverter app, without a secondary emissive surface.  The nice thing about the Ion Inverter is that there is very little heat.  Electrons do not actually touch the dynodes, and only the anode after most of the kinetic energy from the accelerating field has been transfered to the output circuit.

I'm thinking of incorporating a grid electrode in front of each dynode, with the same surface curvature.  Just a smaller section of the can bottom.  These grids will be a short distance in front of the dynodes and will be impacted by ions.  Even with aluminum, the surface of the grids will have to be carbonized, which was Philo's trick for preventing SE.  Meyer had a way of removing the electrons from ionized moisture, so we don't want to put any back in.

So, when rf is applied to the ion tube with moisture and/or Hydroxy, the Hydrogen will keep impacting the parts of the grids between the perforations, giving up their sub quantum hydrino energy.  It's been learned that Hydrogen has 17 sub quantum energy states below its ground level.  Heat energy from each of these states can be released non sequentially, and even simultaneously.

If this atomic Hydrogen furnace works, it might melt the grids.  Unless they have a high heat coefficient, like SS.  Even then, the grids would be heat diffusers since they would radiate the heat back into the gas, giving it an explosive temperature and resultant pressure.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2013, 23:53:59 pm
Thinking about this, it seems like it might be a good idea to carbonize the inside surface of the outer electrode of Stan Meyer's Injector.  All metals will put off secondary emission electrons, although not always over unity, as Farnsworth preferred to designate an effect with more secondaries than primaries.  This might be a key step in getting Meyer's system to work.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 16, 2013, 23:18:24 pm
Very impressive list of patents!  ;D

Aluminum can be used as a secondary emitter, depending on electrode mass, and cooling.  And if spiraling trajectories cause multiple impacts with each primary.  Something else of interest Farnsworth pointed out is that each secondary emission can send a longitudinal pulse through an rf choke, which blocks normal HV potential.  So Farnsworth Tubes can be used as a source of Longitudinal Energy.

Dynodes will still work for the inverter app, without a secondary emissive surface.  The nice thing about the Ion Inverter is that there is very little heat.  Electrons do not actually touch the dynodes, and only the anode after most of the kinetic energy from the accelerating field has been transfered to the output circuit.

I'm thinking of incorporating a grid electrode in front of each dynode, with the same surface curvature.  Just a smaller section of the can bottom.  These grids will be a short distance in front of the dynodes and will be impacted by ions.  Even with aluminum, the surface of the grids will have to be carbonized, which was Philo's trick for preventing SE.  Meyer had a way of removing the electrons from ionized moisture, so we don't want to put any back in.

So, when rf is applied to the ion tube with moisture and/or Hydroxy, the Hydrogen will keep impacting the parts of the grids between the perforations, giving up their sub quantum hydrino energy.  It's been learned that Hydrogen has 17 sub quantum energy states below its ground level.  Heat energy from each of these states can be released non sequentially, and even simultaneously.

If this atomic Hydrogen furnace works, it might melt the grids.  Unless they have a high heat coefficient, like SS.  Even then, the grids would be heat diffusers since they would radiate the heat back into the gas, giving it an explosive temperature and resultant pressure.

Atomic hydrogen burning with oxygen?
That would means a Bit more energy, but the oxygen limits the energy.
However if you talk about H1 turning in H2....


Steve
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 18, 2013, 02:36:51 am

Atomic hydrogen burning with oxygen?
That would means a Bit more energy, but the oxygen limits the energy.
However if you talk about H1 turning in H2....


Steve

I'm thinking more in terms of shrunken H1.  When the hot atomic nucleus gives up energy on impact, the nucleus gets smaller.  Meyer said this shrinking gives off E=MC^2 type of energy.  This might be the biggest part of the energy his system was producing.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 18, 2013, 10:33:07 am

Atomic hydrogen burning with oxygen?
That would means a Bit more energy, but the oxygen limits the energy.
However if you talk about H1 turning in H2....


Steve

I'm thinking more in terms of shrunken H1.  When the hot atomic nucleus gives up energy on impact, the nucleus gets smaller.  Meyer said this shrinking gives off E=MC^2 type of energy.  This might be the biggest part of the energy his system was producing.

The only part i know of the Meyer techno on this specific topic, is that he was feeding the nucleus with infrared light.
SO, what you are saying is that the shrinking of this blown up nucleus will release energy during impact. Impact on what?
Impact with metal? Or ignition?

Steve


Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 19, 2013, 02:21:21 am
The impact needs a target such as metal or ceramic.  I'm correlating this with Meyer's heat diffuser, in his water rocket system.  We don't want that plate to give off SE electrons so I'm thinking it should have a carbonized surface.  Maybe a single graphene layer.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 23, 2013, 13:40:16 pm
That near infra red technology was used is undeniable.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 24, 2013, 07:53:23 am
That near infra red technology was used is undeniable.

I've been wondering if the same thing could be done by passing the gasses through a positive corona for some distance.  Presuming the goal is to prevent the oxygen from burning the H until after the sub quantum heat is released.  Some people say H will not burn after it shrinks in an atomic hydrogen oven, but Randall Mills at Black Light Power says some compounds can be produced.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 24, 2013, 10:15:04 am
Have you read about atomic welding, mr. Electrotek?


Steve
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 24, 2013, 10:51:59 am
Remember, the 'size' of an atom has nothing to do with the size of the nucleus. It has to do with the size of the valence shell (which itself is not well-defined*).

So, if we neglect change in electrical attraction, the size should stay the same—a shell is a shell and it need not 'expand' to accomodate electrons.

Now, as we add more protons and electrons, the attraction between the nucleus and shell increases and the shell contracts. Thus the atom gets smaller.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 24, 2013, 11:41:45 am
atomic size decreases going up and right in the periodic table has to do with atomic number z and subshell configuration if you add more electrons there's a shielding effect that reduces the effective charge of the nucles and makes ithe atom bigger..more protons less electrons = smaller atom
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 24, 2013, 14:13:41 pm
thats is correct... because as there are less electrons in the orbits the electrons last will be attracted more strongly to the nucleus....

Thats why is harder  to keep ionizing an ionized atom. 

I still believe that the fracturing process is related to charge the hydrogen negatively and to charge the oxygen positively .... and let they bang together...  I hope to start testing it soon. right after i'm able tot make a car self run on water hydrogen....

My friend here (mechanic) tells that on old beatles they use to inject water to increase the power but use to melt the pistons because water creates very big pressure.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 24, 2013, 21:20:58 pm
Have you read about atomic welding, mr. Electrotek?


Steve
The atomic hydrogen welding torch is one thing which gives me optimism in this business.  When the gas is passed through an electric arc, it does gain energy.  However, this increase in energy isn't as great as the welding energy released when the H impacts the work metals.  This energy output comes from the sub quantum transitions associated with the atom's shrinking in size.  It's more than a case in which electron orbitals are expanded, due to external energy being added, then only the added energy being released.  Both Meyer's system and the hydrogen torch remove the electrons before the heat reaction occurs, so it may be the size of the proton itself which changes as the energy of one gram of tnt, or fraction thereof, is released, due to the sub quantum nuclear reaction.

There's a new variation of the torch which is out that uses water rather than straight hydrogen.  It also produces 12,000 degrees, but with alcohol added, it's 14,000.  Although it is adjustable and can also be used for soldering and brazing, as well as cutting.  I can get one at a discount, since I'm an experimenter.

http://www.multiplaz.com/financehere
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2017, 03:13:27 am
I was recently given an old Dynatron oscillator box which uses Farnsworth's 1012 A vacuum tube.  This is a hv pentode having three grids, two of which are coated for secondary electron emission.  So this dynode operates in the negative resistance region.  The tube is spected to operate at up to 330 Mega Hertz, but the circuit in mine outputs 28 MHz.

This unit was a donation, so I'll pass it on by posting some pictures of what's inside.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2017, 02:38:33 am
thatd be nice....I have a box of tubes id like to understand how to use them as well :)
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 25, 2017, 08:19:59 am
thatd be nice....I have a box of tubes id like to understand how to use them as well :)

Vacuum tubes are versatile.  Some of them have applications which can't be filled with solid state - for instance, the Farnsworth like 1Q3, the "split the positive" 6146A, and now this six and a half inch top hat 1012.  I've been working on getting some pictures uploaded.  A couple of hours today got a few images sized and formatted, but nothing hosted yet.  Tomorrow I'll be busy talking to the Sheriff about the latest prowler incident (about an hour ago), but I'll see if I can find some time to post something.  Finding information about the Dynatron was difficult and time consuming, and that search will have to be repeated for me to post those links which couldn't be saved at the time.  And it's fire wood season, which limits my time for productivity.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2017, 00:40:47 am
Here's some pictures.  I'll post some discussion when I have some battery time on my computer.

(https://s20.postimg.org/we6jq7s0d/Side.jpg)

(https://s20.postimg.org/pc8m3r8wd/Top.jpg)


(https://s20.postimg.org/f2674j665/Tube.jpg)


(https://s20.postimg.org/54v6bi159/Grids.jpg)

Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 30, 2017, 02:30:39 am
There's a lot of stuff to look at inside this cabinet.  A label on the red tube which contains the tuning crystal says that all of the caps are .02 mfd, and are rated for 10 kV.  So the transformer must put out around 5 kV.  It's comparable to a large MOT, so it's at least a kW.  The meter on the front goes to 1,000, but the maximum fuse size is 6 A, so the unit's power output must be between five hundred and seven hundred W, rf.  And it's pretty tricky how the angle of the internal coil in the center tapped tuning inductor varies the inductance of that coil's lower half.  The rotatable coil capacitively couples a third coil around the very bottom of the coil form into the circuit.

The vacuum tube itself deserves its own post.
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2017, 03:22:33 am
Thats extremely interesting !!! The tubes I have came from an oscilloscope ....nothing like the unit you have there.I hope you find it useful !!!
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 14, 2018, 10:31:42 am
theres an OZ dvd documentary , putuparri and the rain makers . theres actual footage of these aborigines finding the tiniest puddle of water in the desert then time goes by ...dance etc and eventually theres enough water to wash an elephant in , they dont , but its a decent size swimming pool and no camera magic is involved . they are in the desert and theres no other water source .


http://putuparriandtherainmakers.com/

we are only on tank water . it hadnt rained since sept or so . there was a storm a week ago , best thing ever !! 

being in desert maybe you could have recycled water in way of glass house and plants evaporate the water . plants want light , CO2 and water and give off H2O and Ox . in the nature shows they have demo of a plastic bag over a tree and at the end of the day theres a collection of water . sounds involved but if it were me Id think on that one . even some kind of under ground set up . solar distillery or something . theres solar composting toilets at the local park about 2km from here , they dont stink either 

as a bench mark we pretty much do everything wrong so anything better than , is a step in the right direction

pretty sure I seen a documentary of an Indian teacher going around schools trying to get kids back into trad food , corn etc and he had glass houses , might have been NM
Title: Re: Dynode
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2018, 22:58:15 pm
The Aborigines are recognized as a distinct species, so it must be in the genus.  The native genus controlling the planet.  Out here, the mountain thunders all around, up and down overhead.