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Engines On Water => How to run your car on hydrogen or water => Topic started by: Steve on July 30, 2013, 21:51:56 pm

Title: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 30, 2013, 21:51:56 pm
Hi,

Which soup of atoms do we need to run an engine?

Hho?
H2 or H1?
D2?
NH3?

Please read the attached document. Add your Meyer knowledge and know that petrol contains hydrogen as the powerfactor...

Steve
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 30, 2013, 22:02:00 pm
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Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2017, 21:58:38 pm
If atomic hydrogen is generated in a system at low pressure, the atoms will have a significant lifetime—e.g., 0.3 second at a pressure of 0.5 millimetre of mercury. Atomic hydrogen is very reactive. It combines with most elements to form hydrides (e.g., sodium hydride, NaH), and it reduces metallic oxides, a reaction that produces the metal in its elemental state. The surfaces of metals that do not combine with hydrogen to form stable hydrides (e.g., platinum) catalyze the recombination of hydrogen atoms to form hydrogen molecules and are thereby heated to incandescence by the energy that this reaction releases.
Molecular hydrogen can react with many elements and compounds, but at room temperature the reaction rates are usually so low as to be negligible. This apparent inertness is in part related to the very high dissociation energy of the molecule. At elevated temperatures, however, the reaction rates are high.
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2017, 22:00:14 pm
So air should be pumped thru yr cell to achieve a gas type that runs engines.
H reacts H2 doesnt.....
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2017, 22:01:06 pm
In electrolysis cells, H is in the waterbath. H2 is formed on the electrode.
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2017, 22:14:12 pm
Look what Gareth did with his carburator......
Plain electrolysis and air passing the electrodes...

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/garrett.htm
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 31, 2017, 11:14:31 am
it basically means that we MUST use a carburator system and not an injection system. We need vacuum or ambient air pressure like 0.5 mm merc. or 0 bar to give time for the hydrogen atom to react with with airs nitrogen. That results in way more atomic mass and more power and even a better burnrate.

Steve
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 31, 2017, 11:17:25 am
remember what Anderson said in his famous interview.
If you put the gas under pressure, it goes out..... No use for fancy injection systems.
His cell had a pressure controlswitch that switched the cell off at very low pressure already.
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 31, 2017, 11:20:58 am
Let me be a bit more carefull here. I am not certain if all needed volume of air is going thru the cell, but some part of it should.
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 31, 2017, 22:28:12 pm
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Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 01, 2017, 03:09:05 am
thats the gear stick and transmission we re looking at , yes ?  then its driving a large generator closest to the camera ?
old cars had down draft carb / manifold which explains why his hand is on top of engine .
theres the film footge of him driving a car around texas also , circa 1935 or so .
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 01, 2017, 09:22:58 am
Would love to see that movie....
Anybody?
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 01, 2017, 20:10:57 pm
thats the gear stick and transmission we re looking at , yes ?  then its driving a large generator closest to the camera ?
old cars had down draft carb / manifold which explains why his hand is on top of engine .
theres the film footge of him driving a car around texas also , circa 1935 or so .

a down draft carb?
I checked that after yr comments.
Funny construction. Still oldschool setup with venturi and vacuum
It make sense for our watercar ideas...
No pressure but zero or vacuum is what we need..
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 01, 2017, 20:13:19 pm
and i bet that the ambient air was pre threated with HV. Ionized air mixing with monotomic hydrogen equals enough power. With some watervapour and off we go
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 01, 2017, 20:14:18 pm
mixed in the waterbath between the plates.
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 01, 2017, 21:35:43 pm

if you look at history of carbs , there was vapour carb like air passing over cotton soaked with fuel , only vapour enters engine .
early heat exchanger vapour carbs used up draft while the heat plate was down next to the exhaust manifold .= cold air plus hot fuel mixes + goes up to the intake .
there was up draft carb where carb was below engine intake so fuel has to be lifted by the air .
there was side draft where carb is inline with engine intake
then there was down draft carbs up to 1980s / 90s where fuel drops down into engine , fuel is poured into engine
then everything went fuel injection

all the while there has been alternative carbs made in sheds

Pathe has a site , maybe archive too . News reel has a site and archive . the film is out there . movietone , universal , etc
it is either 1934 or 1935

Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 07, 2017, 10:00:15 am
my search didnt bring the fragment yet.
I understand that the serial was some kind of soapserie where the clip was showed of a car with water as a fuel....
The news clip is even harder to track...

Any suggestions....
Title: Re: Hydrogen: which isotope or covalent bond with other atoms do we need
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 29, 2020, 10:32:02 am
a summary:

Goals:
1. a much as possible power out of the produced gas
2. this results in a need for less gas
3. Brownsgas seems to have a bigger bang then strait dc produced gas
4. Monotomic hydrogen has a bigger mass then the atoms in the hydrogen molecule.
5. This answers the following question. Is strait dc better and more efficient or pulsed dc for producing hydrogen.
So, if you want to run an engine on water, please split the water with pulsed dc. low frequency's. Max 200hz
That way, the monotomic gas is not pulled to the other electrode and can rise out the water.

And we all know that monotomic hydrogen is very reactive.
It bonds easy with ionized gasses, like ionized ambient air.
That way you create in the waterbath, where you have to push the ionized air thru, ammonia type of gas.
Or deuterium, if the proces is influenced by a magnetic field and radiation, like soft x rays.

Thats it.
So, never try to run you car on water on strait dc, because thats a waist of time.

Cheers!