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Title: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 23, 2013, 22:04:44 pm
I guess i understood the function of the alternator and something else.

Did you guys modified the field coil?

How can you put 5 v 2 amps into a field coil that has at least 3ohms and 20mh? Oh yeas still pulsing it to 5khz?

I guess none of you perceived this in order to be able to change the field coil!!!!!!!

I was at the physics university and asked my teacher if the combination of the collapse of the field of the armature coil and the relative motion would create a compound  effect, she said the only thing that matters is the flux variation!!!

For this i guess the alternator is a way to send this high repetition rate pulses with the benefit that is simple in arrangement and powerful by its nature.

But in effect the field coil must be connected to the center of the Y connection thru a diode and at this same point is where the drain of the transistor goes so where pulse goes.. also the field coil must match the armature coils... i guess 20 to 30 turns might be enough....

The reason for meyer changing than to the 8xxa circuit is to use the pair of coils to do this same thing.

I guess those high turns coils were not the real deal! the real deal stan never showed in my opinion and was never publically found.

Again the idea to use two coils and to have a switching diode is that during pulse on one coil is charged and during pulse off both coils discharges in series with the cell and source but the drain is maintained at ground or only up to source level!!!!!!! at the switch instant!!!

Thats why the coupling is so important!!! thats why they must match in size...

But how to increase power?

increase frequency but reduce Ohmic losses and inductance values!!!!!!

Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 25, 2013, 09:56:03 am
Hi Seb,

I have had 5v and 2 amps on the rotor coil.
Done that with no change to the rotor coil.
I cannot remember if that was done with pulsing or strait dc.

Can you draw what you mean with your statement?




Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 27, 2013, 03:59:10 am
Well i tell you bro 5khz would make only 10ma to flow or so.... But what i~m saying is that this field should collapse too so it must be charged with current than collapsed
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2652.0;attach=12398;image)
Well that if i understood it well

I made some tests about what i~m, talking regarding the biflar chokes...  the waveformes are as i expected to be, square during charging and a peak expponential discharge...

Simple.. .two coils same size, coupled in series with fields adding, so one side connected to positive dc the midle(between coils) connected betwee the transistor drain and ground, and the other side a diode floward biased connected to the cell having its other plate connected to ground... so with no pulsing dc already flows.... because diode is foward biased... during pulse on the diode prevent the cell to discharge and during pulse off the energy goes all to the cell


Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 27, 2013, 05:29:47 am
my problem here is that i use a old car battery that does noot hold much charge... anyway now i~m going to change the transistor to a better one to be able to put more power into it...

I mean the voltage drop at the transistor is important, if you have for example 200mohm during conduction this mean that if you consider another 100mohm for the internal resistance of the battery and 100mohm from the coil resistance you get maximum a,perage of 12/0,4= 30amps not good  if you want at least 500 watts on the load...

the inductor value tells you how fast you can charge each pulse...

cosider the L1 the field coil and the other coils L2

I found that this connection helps saving the transistor from high voltage kick back... adding this to the second bobine which in turns reduce teh potential thereto nulify the kickback from the point of view of the transistor ](if the coils match) i guess

Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 27, 2013, 05:52:26 am
I believe meyer simply got a way to deliver maybe up to 500w at 5khz @high voltage to the tubes.

12v 50 amps is my target...

Something that is strange is that the discharge peak is too much a peak in my first test here, this mean that maybe we should go into the hundreds of khz range to be more effective...



Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 27, 2013, 08:46:46 am
Well i tell you bro 5khz would make only 10ma to flow or so.... But what i~m saying is that this field should collapse too so it must be charged with current than collapsed
(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2652.0;attach=12398;image)
Well that if i understood it well

I made some tests about what i~m, talking regarding the biflar chokes...  the waveformes are as i expected to be, square during charging and a peak expponential discharge...

Simple.. .two coils same size, coupled in series with fields adding, so one side connected to positive dc the midle(between coils) connected betwee the transistor drain and ground, and the other side a diode floward biased connected to the cell having its other plate connected to ground... so with no pulsing dc already flows.... because diode is foward biased... during pulse on the diode prevent the cell to discharge and during pulse off the energy goes all to the cell

Now it looks like a buck converter....


Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 27, 2013, 17:07:47 pm
Is not buck exactly,, i guess this is more boost.... since during discharge both coils sums with source

try kirshcof laws in this circuit


analyse the potentials
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 27, 2013, 19:25:29 pm
Its indeed a kind of boost converter but different than boost where the potential across the switch during pulse off is = to the potential applied to the load. in the case of the circuit i drew the potential at the drain is not much bigger than the source potential during the pulse off thereto collapsing of the fields...

What allows this is the magnetic coupling... 
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2013, 03:38:50 am
I mean all the energy of the circuit is applied acrooss the switch and load at the boost converter, the store current into the coil will be discharged thru a diode into a capacitor, thereto the switch has across drain and source, the the voltage from the battery sum with the inductor voltage...

In the case of the drawing i made the potential decrease at that point at the same rate that it increase so it would remain 0 if wasn~t for the battery potential;;; 

when greater than 50% duty cycle is used more energy is acumulated assuming the discharge occurrs quick enough i guess the solution is going multi phase...
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2013, 04:18:07 am
You might be asking yourself if you did not tried this before, and if does why it did not work...

I tried this configuration some times with more or less power, but i was not able or was not clear the teory at the time to know exactly how much energy was going on there and how to apply it in the most affordable manner...

I guess is right about finding the frequency and power applied to get into on demand gas production...

I mean if the only way to get into that is to really apply more than 1500v acros the cell ...

Stan said it could be that simple that some one could build it from scratch at home with things commonly found like copper wire.. .

iron and ss all around

water abundant coming from the sky

... 



 

Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2013, 09:00:21 am
I remember Stan saying that..
But hundreds of people didnt find out what he ment....

I did last week a test with dc and hv.
Nothing special to report.

Hope you see some improvement with your boost setup.

Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2013, 10:17:43 am
i found many drawings like mine googling boost converter coupled coils

Its a step up boost, and can be resonant operated with voltage multipliers, many possibilities

just increadible...

What keep me interested is that now i see that meyer was actually talking about well known circuit operations... thats why it was so clear to him...

Hope you find some results too

Thanks

Br
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2013, 12:34:21 pm
Why so many read and dont post?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_avalanche

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_strength

My guess is that if the electric field is high enough than the bubbles just forming will see an electric field much greater since their dielectric values are close to one i guess... thereto the avalanche get sustained maybe 10 fold or more is not that hard to get

I guess the water should be pure as possible but some charge carriers may be neccessary to initiate the process who knows?
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2013, 16:05:29 pm
I noticed a increase in production if the pulsing is going, i don-t know theh energy efficiency yet although...c

Only up to 20 volts with city water, full of chlorine...

its indeed doubling th input voltage or so.;..
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 28, 2013, 16:07:07 pm
i think is the first time something really works at all, since is the first that i produce more gas than standart batery - cell straight connection...
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 29, 2013, 03:48:41 am
Why so many read and dont post?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_avalanche

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric_strength

My guess is that if the electric field is high enough than the bubbles just forming will see an electric field much greater since their dielectric values are close to one i guess... thereto the avalanche get sustained maybe 10 fold or more is not that hard to get

I guess the water should be pure as possible but some charge carriers may be neccessary to initiate the process who knows?

"The polarizability is an atomic property, but the dielectric constant will depend on the manner in which the atoms are assembled to form a crystal. For a non-spherical atom, will be a tensor.[9] "

Dielectrophoresis
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2013, 09:45:17 am
I noticed a increase in production if the pulsing is going, i don-t know theh energy efficiency yet although...c

Only up to 20 volts with city water, full of chlorine...

its indeed doubling th input voltage or so.;..

Does it also consume more power?

Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2013, 20:29:02 pm
yes it does, but thats the point, this circuit allows more power density to be applied than dc would allow because of amp restriction. My point is, at a certain saturation condition a chain reaction should start... theoretically at least...

But again is the first time i use a coil and a pulsing circuit and get more gas than the same circuit with straight dc...

Title: Right circuit ?
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 02, 2013, 07:28:45 am
How to know if we get the good circuit to accomplish what we want to accomplish. First Knowing what the circuit supose to do would take many steps ahead ...

Meyer talk about disrrupting the covalent link up by resonant action according to him collision between accelerated ions inside the water cell.

For this a circuit containing a frequency generator two batteries some diodes a single  transistor and a couple of coils could run a car.

The smaller the capacitor the smaller the charge it can handle...

Charge!

Using coils and pulses 5khz

Charge

@ the expense of some amps 


Water fuel on demand

The intention of the circuit is to provide pulses of high voltage high frequency repetition to destabilize water molecules up to the point where their covalent bound breaks...

His got his both ways.. Copper or SS.. .

Title: The shot gun
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 02, 2013, 07:58:55 am
The shot gun circuit is what i~m working now... kkk

you may wander what it supose to do
Title: Re: The shot gun
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2013, 03:31:13 am
The shot gun circuit is what i~m working now... kkk

you may wander what it supose to do

you arent throwing " dragon's breath " are ya?

maybe hookin it up to a 1000 watt linear :)  ;)

sure wulda been nice to have lived back in the day

Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2013, 04:48:05 am
oh boy

Its just a good idea i had to fire multiple coils into a cell.. they all start to charge together but they are sequentially fired so each pulse has greater energy than the last...

isolation diodes are needed to combine those signals
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2013, 04:53:06 am
My point is am i able to put 1000watts into a small 4 centimeters cell?

Because that may be the missing link.. . how to do this?

The purer the water the best, ok, but what about the ss chokes? what they were really for? i'm tring to connect the dots..
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2013, 05:05:59 am
To make my self clear, when you put current into a coil this current wants to keep flowing, thereto when you switch off the current if there was a diode across the coil the current will keep flowing because the potential reverses!

When you get no diode the current has no where to go and so a potential will be developed in series with the battery that will charges up whatever is in the way since the current wants to keep flowing, the energy stored in the core is how much it wants to keep going or the function that relates how many amps for each potential can actually flow.

Charge conserves in circuit thereto the potential of the spike will depend only on the capacitance and or resistance on the discharge circuit.

To know hoe much charge will flow it must be evoked from the energy stored in the coil transported to the capacitor assuming no loss.. the charge on the capacitor is the charge that will actually flow. Since electric potential by definition is the voltage or joules per coulomb. the greater the voltage the smaller the charge that will flow respectively.

The peak amperage flowing can only be the initial amperage... If the discharge path is of greater inductance the current will be proportionaly smaller... following turns relation...

The peak amperagen can be greater than initial only if step down condition is meet.-

As the henrie is defined as V*s/amps the smaller the L value the greater is the energy since it increases with the square of the amps...

 If you simply discharge the coil into a resistor for example the voltage peak will be V=R*I since the current wants to keep flowing !!!
regardles of the voltage you charged the coil...
simple as that...



Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2013, 17:53:25 pm
My point is am i able to put 1000watts into a small 4 centimeters cell?

Because that may be the missing link.. . how to do this?

The purer the water the best, ok, but what about the ss chokes? what they were really for? i'm tring to connect the dots..


sounds like a goid plan to put 1000 watts, mostly amps, into a cell.

I ran 60kv thru a cell, but didnt see any improvement...

Amps it was and probably will be...
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2013, 04:57:12 am
i think is indeed a good plan too, i tried sometimes applying 220v dc straight to the water   but it only made lot of vapor and hot water

i tried to apply pulsed dc with the vic to very pure water i got up to 600v but only hot water... but was no more than 100 watts


now i want to pulse it with 1000watts in the same or smaller cell lets see what happens !!!


I can't say if is mostly amps actually i guess we missed how to input lot of power into it... since the begining and probably was the greatest error we made... i just needed the knowledge of the coils arrangement to allow high power pulsing thats what its all about .

I had a water here with around 1000ohms resistance i remember that.... 1 amp turns to be 1000volts !!! 
Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 30, 2013, 21:11:56 pm
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now i want to pulse it with 1000watts in the same or smaller cell lets see what happens !!!



What if.......1000 watts in a 1cm cell........
You must have really conductive water....
I suppose that the water will be gone in a second....
How to get high conductive cell aka setup?
High voltage! The higher the volts, the more amps will flow....
I never tried it, but would make some fun to do...



Title: Re: The VIC AND ALTERNATOR VIC
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 31, 2013, 04:45:09 am
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now i want to pulse it with 1000watts in the same or smaller cell lets see what happens !!!



What if.......1000 watts in a 1cm cell........
You must have really conductive water....
I suppose that the water will be gone in a second....
How to get high conductive cell aka setup?
High voltage! The higher the volts, the more amps will flow....
I never tried it, but would make some fun to do...

well 1000w = 1000 joules per second. So 10,000  discharges of 100mJ per second should do the job...

The thing must act as a current generator such that if water threshold is achieved the water should suffer high electric forces according to   the circuit designed...