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Title: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 07:21:33 am
Why cant you find this on the internet?

Check out what i think is a 12 volt DC to 220 AC motor generator Converter.

IF you find any source to BUY these types that convert to DC TO AC LET US KNOW!
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 07:25:16 am
is these types of DC to AC Converters so efficient that the gov took them off the market and shushed so the public would forget their existence?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 07:46:35 am
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/sound/rca03-23.htm
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 08:02:47 am
http://www.smokstak.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14966 MUST SEE
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 08:05:46 am
YOU GOTTA SEE THIS http://www.rediline.com/
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 08:15:34 am
Oh YEAH!!!
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 08:20:29 am
dude i cant believe you found the exact same thing!
So whats the plan to use AC in the fuel cell now?
Or use that AC in the diode bridge?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 08:24:10 am
no man, he was using house hold current to run his driver motor,,,, !!! YEAH,, so happy!!!!

Stevies Motor runs at about 220 volts 4 amps, 900 watts!!!!!!!!!! it is simple to hook this DC to AC Rotorary Generator to a 12 Volt car battery and power the driver motor, so now i understand how he was powering that motor!!!

dude, stan how did he know to do all this?? that man was either lucky he seen how this could be done from hanging around the military or either he is just one smart cookie!!!

OH MAN, dude,,, its another thing we now understand that he was doing,,, wow
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 08:25:13 am
(http://www.rediline.com/images/da3179.gif)
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 08:27:56 am
no man, he was using house hold current to run his driver motor,,,, !!! YEAH,, so happy!!!!

Stevies Motor runs at about 220 volts 4 amps, 900 watts!!!!!!!!!! it is simple to hook this DC to AC Rotorary Generator to a 12 Volt car battery and power the driver motor, so now i understand how he was powering that motor!!!

dude, stan how did he know to do all this?? that man was either lucky he seen how this could be done from hanging around the military or either he is just one smart cookie!!!

OH MAN, dude,,, its another thing we now understand that he was doing,,, wow


Ohhhhhhhhhh the driver motor. Ya. cool!
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 08:34:41 am
Southern Generators Inc

307 Cedar St
Greenville, AL

(334) 382-8453

These guys sell redi-line generators
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 30, 2008, 23:48:32 pm
Fantastic findings Hydro!
So what do you think, he put in 900W of "household power" + the 15W controle power
and that was enough to run his car?

Frome those videos, do you see which WFC he used ? The new "he wont let us point a camera on..." or the good old cell?

J@H
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2008, 01:14:53 am
From the pics I think its that white PVC  type tank behind meyer.  From the article in the wireless world, Stan used 6 set of cylindrical cells to power his VW dune buggy for 4 years.

Great discovery hydro. I am glad I quit hanging out at the other OU forums. The alternator set up is the way to go. Now I am absolutely convinced. ;D

So my question really is this...was he pumping amps into his cell  through the alternator or was there really some sort of OU phenomenon that he discovered??

In otherwords we know for a fact that he used 900 watts to run the drive motor of the alternator. Thats given..the question is how much amps the alternator pumps into his 6 cylinder Tank cell or for that matter just one (original demo) cylindrical cell. Any ideas?









Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2008, 06:19:09 am
well,,, based on stevies driver motor at 220 volts 4 amps, Thats the lowest amount of power consumed that i have seen to run a driver motor with the great torque it puts out...

Based on my 1995 Geo Metro alternator and 12 tubes i get almost 5 cc's per second or around 300 cc's a min.  it's understandable to me my alternators circumference is small where stanleys circumference on his alternator is bigger. A bigger circumference will give you longer field wire and also send much nastier shocks to the cell, where longer stator wire can not fit inside my small geo alternator. Also the rotors Configuration of Magnetic Teeth appears to move at a faster RPM than stanleys alternator because the Rotors Magnetic Teeth are closer together in my setup while in stanleys the rotor is bigger so they're further apart. My alternator simply can't compete with stanleys because of this. So this makes me wonder what will my 5 cc's turn into if i was to add an alternator like stanley used..

any information or pictures of stans alternator will be appreciated, OR even what type of car or tractor carries such big alternator.

Also my 12 tubes being 6 inches long with a 1/16th gap may even further restrict gas flow from my tubes while holding the small geo alternator under a load. What if i not only replaced my alternator with a bigger one but replaced the tubes with a bigger gap as well, could this cause Smoother gas flow and cooler water? i'm seriously thinking i have way to many tubes, my gap is very small.

i was looking into the joe cell last nite, i priced several pipes and tubes that could work, 100 to 200 bucks a pop is clearly not the way for me! The only think i can think of is i am simply using the wrong tube setup,,, Could anyone bring forth the tube specs stanley was using?

I see the alternator on the buggy, i dont really think he has anything resonating, i think he is using lots of amps into the cell to make running the car on water "possible." Anyhow, thats the route i'm taking,, the possible route. I feel that whatever stanley was doing on that buggy is getting clearer and clearer for us all, we all see what is going on learning new things day by day. I dont think we will ever learn what he used as a fuel cell but only wonder..

If that jackass that was hiding his car could tell us a few things we would be good to go, but thats not going to happen,, gruuu. The goal now is to find the right Cell setup with the right alternator and then you have it! we already know stan ran a car on 5 volts 2 amps pulsing the rotor, so we have that estimite, also we're lucky to even have a picture to help puzzle all this together.

So for me, its a new bigger alternator and a New cell, Time to party and leave the old cells and alternators in the past.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2008, 06:26:36 am
incase any of you must have missed it, in the last picture you read that stan used a series cell to gain more gas.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2008, 07:41:41 am
im just not buying that series cell stuff, i tried it several times with bad results, this was with tube cells though..

However, i did add a pinch of salt,, OH BOY,, now i can see mud all over the top of my water,,,, the first time i've really used an additive... after seeing what salt does it somehow gives better production without loading down the driver motor... Thats ODD how it does that..
 
after reading stanleys patent on how to remove the gook from the water i can only think,, you shouldn't have that much gook.. well after running test with salt i had so much gook i couldn't even see my cell,, its like a brown cloud that looked like fungy or summin.

maybe with salt i can add more cells? From past test me and stevie has made, the types of water in this world is much, i know there has to be well over 30 diff types of water, even stevies rain water was different than mine, this leads me to think stan was adding something,, I KNOW and i dont care, thats just what i think after seeing the test results and how the gas production went up and the amperage basicly stayed the same.. I think i'm on to something here with salt.

whatever does the trick is what im interested in..
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2008, 07:57:59 am
From the pics I think its that white PVC  type tank behind meyer.  From the article in the wireless world, Stan used 6 set of cylindrical cells to power his VW dune buggy for 4 years.

Great discovery hydro. I am glad I quit hanging out at the other OU forums. The alternator set up is the way to go. Now I am absolutely convinced. ;D

So my question really is this...was he pumping amps into his cell  through the alternator or was there really some sort of OU phenomenon that he discovered??

In otherwords we know for a fact that he used 900 watts to run the drive motor of the alternator. Thats given..the question is how much amps the alternator pumps into his 6 cylinder Tank cell or for that matter just one (original demo) cylindrical cell. Any ideas?



well, i assume right at around 20 amps, in that area, not sure of the voltage because it varys per cell... you see anywhere between 8 volts to 20 volts, and sometimes higher.. the longer you run the cell on the alternator the more charged the tubes will become, i know this because after running 12 cells over a periode of time they still produce hydroxy... enough hydroxy you can see lots of little bubbles flow but nothing to get carried away about..

so yeah, the alternator is basicly a transformer, the problem most people run across when using the alternator setup is they fail to understand the whole reason for it is  the source of unfiltered DC, so you have to remove the capacitor from the alternator, those are very good at smoothing ripples out. However the proper capacitor can cause even more gas output when added directly where the factory one was removed, its good to have a constant level of dc across the cells but the amount of dc the factory capacitor can give the cell is to much so its gotta go. 450 uf or even 1000 uf is ideal, but get rid of the factory one and chunk it as it will make it to pure.

900 watts for stevies driver motor is the minimal amount of power that i have seen to run these types of motors. my motor is 120 volts 12 to 24 amps, so thats around 1440 watts minimum, but yet there is still DC to AC rotary Converters capable of powering these motors from 12 volts. so the problem of how to get an ac driver motor installed into a car is no longer a problem. The problem now is the gas production, or is it.





Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2008, 08:42:34 am
Hi,

i am still a bit ill, but he, i can write again.
I think its fantastic that you guys found the same acdc converter. Its telling us again more about how stan was running the dunebuggy.

just some reactions on what i read here.

I have a 6 cylinder joecell....really. I havent tried it on my alternator..but i ll gues you need rainwater for it. Tapwater want conduct good enough.

Salt or KOH is possible needed, but first see if it can be done without. Maybe stan cooked and gained the vaporised water to get an uniform water. And maybe he added something to it.

i have modified my engine but i didnt run because of sparkplug failure. So i still dont know if it would run, hydro.

i have 10 tubes sets . Maybe its time to use 2 sets per phase of the alternator....that a easy test.

kumaran is using a seriecell with koh and is running it with an alternator. His output is 4 times more then we have..

talk to you soon. First i have to do my taxes....damn






br
steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2008, 10:47:54 am
dude, we need kurmaran in here,, we need to know where he got his cell and how much it cost to construct it!

Round him up...
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2008, 14:26:52 pm
i will ask him by email

br
steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2008, 14:32:42 pm
ok, done.

Listen. We have to play with the 2 tubes per phase of the alternator.
Or 3 if possible. See what comes out of there.
I also added some tube extensions on top of the tubes. That improved my producting with 0.5cc per second!
The bubbles doesnt come in my water and cannot flow back into the bottum of the wfc.
I will make a picture, soon.

br
Steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 31, 2008, 16:07:29 pm
Regarding hydro's question on Stan's alternator. According to this guy Kevin who runs this site waterforfuel.com

http://waterforfuel.com/partners.html

Stanley used a Delco Remy Alternator according to the guy who owns the site above. He also sells them but I am sure one can find a cheap Delco Remy alternator. (May be he is telling that to everyone because he wants to sell his alternators I do not know, but there is also the chance that he is right and Stan did use a Delco remy alternator.)

Regarding salt: Hydro, the reason you are getting a ton of brown scum is the chlorine in salt that reacts with the iorn. Most people who have experimented by now would notice that even a clean  set of 'conditioned' tubes will eventually turn tap water slighly orangish after a while. That is the small amount of chlorine in the tap water which I think forms ferric chloride a brown solution which is acidic in nature and will corrode the steel.  You will notice this especially near the connection wires and screws on the cell.

Heat generation in the cell:
If his tall demo cell consumed 20 amps,  the claims that his cell ran cold are not true then?  I know for a fact the outside of my cell remains cool for about 10 minutes when i plug it straight to my 12 volt DC power supply before warming. Could stan have used that ruse?
Are there any documents out there that has actual proof that stan's cell ran cold for hours?

Secret Electrolyte:

Stan's major claim was that his method does not use electrolytes, could he have been blatantly dishonest about that...I doubt but given the fact that he never openly mentions the word stator or rotor or alternator in any of his patents, he could have been using an electrolyte. His water does turn reddish brown  according to the wireless world article. 


Series cell: Yes this is my other great doubt.  Has anyone tried series connections. Bob boyce is series. Kumaran I think I read in this forum or at another one I am not sure has achieved 94% effeciency with alternator and electrolyte...and series cell??? so yes it would be really great if Kumaran would post his schematic in this thread.

Stator windings:

According to stans gas generator voltage control cirucit patent:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/pat2pdf/foo.pl?number=4798661

a single set of tubes connect to each of the stator windings, not two as stevie mentioned. I am bringing this up because, stan's brother Steve meyers patent:

http://waterfuelcell.org/WFCprojects/StephenMeyer/20050246059.pdf

has the exact same set up as Stan's gas generator voltage control circuit patentt, except steve meyer uses 3 tubes, the one in the middle being 0 or reference voltage.

He uses two alternators...total 6 stator windings..each supplying power to 6 cell arrays. (Each array has 3 tubes)

That means each array of 3 tubes in Steve Meyers patent and 2 tubes in stan meyers patent above is supplied with rectified single phase DC?

There is no pulsing of the rotor in steve meyers patent, and  there is also a cooling system to prevent the cell from getting hot. So I am guessing his system is not OU.


So the final question that is still lingering is....was Stan's method OU or not?





Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 01:12:55 am
right now im at work but i cant help to look in to make a quick reply.. I have the alternator you're talking about,, i just found it on my dads porch!!! he said to leave his street rod motor alone and i said sorry but i gotta have it! lol.

anyhow,, no i don't think stan was getting overunity and no i don't think stan rewired his alternator, after hearing stan Bragg about the different types of water you can use i can only see he was using some electrolyte. As for the water in the bath getting hot the water itself acts as a heatsink so it will get hot over a period of time. Water pumps can circulate the water if heat is a problem since its harder to heat moving water.

about pulsing the rotor i to have noticed that it is not needed, my best results was straight DC on the rotor so far, but pulsing the rotor will eliminate heat within the rotor, i'm not sure what 2 or  amps on the rotor for over an hour could do, its possible it could start smoking.. i still do not know if on todays cars the rotor is pulsed to prevent heating within the motor or if its self cooled due to spinning wich i doubt.

The amazing part of the puzzle is we learned that stan was using a DC to AC rotatry converter, This in return tells us that He was consuming amps to the cell, if he was using very high volts low amps at a frequency to bust the water then the DC to AC rotary Converter generator would not be needed, would it? so its clearn we are on the right track by doing what we all are doing. I can say that talking about this you learn nothing, the reason all this information is poping up is from testing and scracthing your head, watching stans videos etc...

if i can run a motor on 5 cc's a sec for 3 secs a pop, you know we're close. I fear for the HP in the future, i hope it works itself out.

The worst possible ending in these findings is having to use a joe cell, you have to be rich to make one of those things according to the prices i have been looking at. Tube cells are great, but if kurmaran is producing what stevie says the i am all for it, i'll chunk the tube cell out the winder... At this point in my life i can see that additives is the way to go, and possibly the only way. Now i have the alternator stan had, i think, now i can start looking into different cell setups.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 02:02:57 am
Dont forget that stan used light energy in order to make his system more efficient.
I've heard him talk about it in his presentations and it is presented extensively in his patents. Here is just a small example:
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/carbednotch/Clipboard01112211.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/carbednotch/Clipboard032342.jpg)

And I love this one how it says "Optional" because It really is. But stan seemed to make a big deal about his lasers.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/carbednotch/Clipboard0123434.jpg)
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 04:21:12 am
well, its clearly not a delco remy
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 08:16:47 am
ok, im not sure what alternator he used in his video, but i am pretty sure that the alternator in the above picture is the same alternator used to power dune buggys because you can even see the same alternator in his video on his dune buggy.. so it looks like just a normal big alternator to me. thats 2 different alternators i seen stan use, and i doubt he rewired them. Look at his driver motor,, you see the size of that thing?

Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 09:37:37 am
Yeh, its the same driver as i have in size...

steve
ps
kumaran has send me the URLs of his projectpages.
Go have a look!
There very impressive!

http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/kumaran/Electrolysis/8_plate_series_cell

http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/kumaran/Electrolysis/13_plate_series_cell

 
br
Steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 16:49:52 pm
The alternator could be a 24 volt tractor alternator or possibly a 48 volt one. I havent seen any 48 volt alternators, but I am sure they are available.

If High voltage was ever involved then large 24 to 48 volt tractor truck alternators make sense because they have more number of turns to get a higher voltage? Does any body have any info on Stator windings that makes an alternator 12 volts, 24 volts, 48 volts etc?

The other question I have is the big metallic tank that Meyer has in his dune buggy but is later removed and replaced with the on board WFC, alternator drive motor and AC to DC generator. Please see the attached pics.

Any idea on what the contraption is? Thanks.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 18:27:28 pm
Looks to me like it was a faraday cage.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 19:06:21 pm
Faraday cage? Any ideas how it relates to the WFC and the dunebuggy? Also there seems to be some kind of clear fluid inside the 'faraday cage'? Or is it just a light effect because its a Black and white photo?



if i can run a motor on 5 cc's a sec for 3 secs a pop, you know we're close. I fear for the HP in the future, i hope it works itself out.


How much cc per sec of HHO does one need to lets say idle a 4 cylinder car? Has anyone got an engine to idle using the alternator?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 19:35:30 pm
The box on the buggy is an EPG from Stan.
It produces electricity from the gasmix.

br
steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 21:35:11 pm
The cylinder shaped item thats missing, appears to be a JOE CELL. Which is a WFC that works more on a vacuum. It produces hydroxy, and LPM gasses

Spike
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 21:36:18 pm
Her is a link to a JOE CELL



Spike
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 01, 2008, 23:26:06 pm
I would like you take  a closer look at the connections of the very early meyer staged demo as it appeared on grove city ohio newspaper thursday oct 25th 1984.

If we can figure out the connections and the alternator set up from this high  respic we may find some more clues. I labelled the wires to the best of my understanding, I would like all of you take a look and add on / correct mistakes.
So I am attaching both pics the original and the edited.

thanks

My Take: I dont see any external diode bridge. The wires seem to neatly bundled with the plastic clips to the WFC.

However there are two power supplies from the mains so one is going to the motor, the other is going to ??

Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 02, 2008, 00:04:15 am
Thats the same alternator and driver motor as in the stan video.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 02, 2008, 05:18:16 am
I'm not so sure thats an alternator now, i have spent over an hour looking at the picture and its starting to look like the alternator is a driver motor for the driver motor. i am starting to think he may be generating 3 phase,, just a thought for now...

i will look into all this, and if stevie has the same motor we will see whats on the left hand side of the driver motor....

i can take my 120 volt driver motor and generate 210 volts at well over 5 amps, and it seems strange because the motor doesn't pull down like its in stress.. hrmmm
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 02, 2008, 06:53:41 am
You may be onto something Hydro. I've looked at it off and on for quite a while. It seems way too big for an alternator. It doesn't seem too big to be a small generator head being driven by the driver motor to generate 3 phase.

Also that box and black thermos type thing are on a separate paper from the motor/generator. They are not in the video, and may be something that has nothing to do with the WFC. Just what I see.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 02, 2008, 09:47:39 am
Hello!!!!!!!
Wake up, you all!

The Alternator IS a 3 phase generator.
So whats is the point here?
Do you suggest that Stan used 220V 3 phase instead of 30V 3 phase?

br
steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 02, 2008, 10:37:22 am
i dont know,, my mind is wondering off again,,, hrmmmmm
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 02, 2008, 15:41:59 pm

Do you suggest that Stan used 220V 3 phase instead of 30V 3 phase?

br
steve

Why not?!    I noticed more volts makes more bubbles but amps make loads of heat.  Just one 30V 3phase alternator has enough amperage to boil the waterbath.    Why did Stan's stay cool like everyone said??  What did he do different?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 02, 2008, 16:32:34 pm
The alternator is a generator, but you get out what you put in. A generator head generates a given voltage and splits it into phases. The reason I suggested this was I was reading a Canadian Patent last night where Stan mentioned more voltage would create more gas, ie. 100v DC instead of 12v DC. I could be wrong, just an idea is all.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 02, 2008, 16:37:31 pm
Only the alternator has the option to vary the 3 phase frequency. I dont think the redline generator supplies 3 phase AC?

Besides the 220volt motor can only supply AC at 60 Hz, and AC does not produce any gas at all. So it has to be rectified.

And if its not the alternator then why have the separate pulse box to pulse the rotor. And what was he pulsing if not the alternator?

It is an alternator no doubt...the thing is can we find an exact match for the motor and alternator like Hydro did with the redline DC to AC generator. My suggestion: If any of you out there knows an expert 'old school' mechanic or some one who works on alternators, show the pic and ask what make and model it is? Surely it cant be that difficult...knowing stan he probably used a common off the shelf alternator. The pic is dated 1984 so the alterntaor definetely has to be older than that.

The pics are as the only ones so far I have found that show the alternator and motor in such detail.

I am attaching the cell base and the rotor pulse box from the video it runs on water.  If it wasnt the alternator then what is the role of this box. Also is this an off the shelf job or something stan custom built himself?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 02:13:35 am
the pictures you posted is stans show off video, he wasn't producing but maybe 6 cc's a sec in that video. The video of stan running his dune buggy with the cell sitting in the grass is what we're looking at. Im not saying its not an alternator but i have never seen an alternator contain Bullet style holes, it looks like to me that it is a driver motor and not an alternator.

If stan Ran his DC to AC Rotary Converter to the field coils Of the Bigger motor then used the small alternator looking motor to Start the motor then yes you can generate 3 phase, once the unit kicks on the smaller driver motor can be shut off, And the Generator unit will run or free spin by itself while generating 3 phase. 

so the DC to AC rotary converter can be supplying single phase 220 to the unit and the unit will generate a 3rd leg or 3 phase. you can rectify this 3 phase and it will be even so energy efficient it will make you want to chunk the alternator in the dirt and piss on it. But was stan doing this? We do not know but we do know he would have been stupid not to do it.  all we have is the pictures.

But The question is, why would stan NOT be doing this? he would be out of his mind not to, wouldn't ya think..

Google, Why use 3 phase? 3 phase is more engergy efficient than single phase and because of that if you Create a Single phase to 3 phase unit in your home your Bills will drop dramaticly, So YES 3 phase is more efficient than single phase.

The debate has just begun! it is the ones like us that will atleast try to solve these mysteries of what he was really doing,, But think about it,, 3 phase from the alternator, or 3 phase from the Generator? hrmmm, not a very hard choice bud.. the problem with using 220 volt 3 phase is you would have to "RESTRICT" the amp flow tremendusly, and i have not a clue how to do that unless you use some sorta variac, much like what looks to be in stans picture of the unit in the grass.. Then you could rectify it after it came from the variac, so i will be looking into 3 phase variacs and how they work.

LOL what would you do with 3 phase 220 if it was on your car? sound impossible? its not.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 02:31:21 am
AHHHH,,, this explains that big controller box on stanlys car with all the buttons etc,,,, i think it was part of the variac to,, just my thoughts for now.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 06:40:39 am
ok guy's, i cant say for sure if he used 220 volt 3 phase or he he just used 3 phase from the alternator, " i'll let you decide on that. " I really do not have a clue, i cant say he did and i cant say he didn't.. i simply do not know...

but it confuses my to why he would choose low voltage 3 phase over high voltage 3 phase... maybe someone will figure it out but i cant confirm neither..
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 16:27:21 pm
Hydro...I think you may be onto something about the variac. I searched and I think that thermos flask like device on the ground next to the alternator-motor is a variac. The white box next to the variac is now a puzzle...is it part of the variac?

I also have a gut feeling that the rotary pulse voltage frequency generator is also a variac that stan labelled himself. I am sure if we search online one of us will find the box ready to purchase off the shelf.

Now my question is what does the variac do and how does it relate to the WFC alternator motor combo?  Wikipedia is not very helpful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variac


I still dont see how the drive motor is the main power source to the WFC and the alternator...can you sketch a schematic of how it could possibly work?  Hydro I guess the only person who can solve the  problem whether the smaller device next to the motor is an alternator is a professional mecahnic or equivalent. I still think its an alternator but probably a large tractor or truck alternator.

Check this one out...this has round bullet holes like the one in the pic and its a ford truck alternator.
https://www.isa-assoc.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?cPath=63_121_133&products_id=101418
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 19:49:49 pm
Wiki article is okay. I think the best thing I heard about it is:

"power transmission applications, autotransformers have the limitations of not suppressing harmonic currents and as acting as another source of ground fault currents. A large three-phase autotransformer may have a "buried" delta winding, not connected to the outside of the tank, to absorb some harmonic currents."
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 20:15:26 pm
Hydro...I think you may be onto something about the variac. I searched and I think that thermos flask like device on the ground next to the alternator-motor is a variac. The white box next to the variac is now a puzzle...is it part of the variac?

I also have a gut feeling that the rotary pulse voltage frequency generator is also a variac that stan labelled himself. I am sure if we search online one of us will find the box ready to purchase off the shelf.

Now my question is what does the variac do and how does it relate to the WFC alternator motor combo?  Wikipedia is not very helpful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variac


I still dont see how the drive motor is the main power source to the WFC and the alternator...can you sketch a schematic of how it could possibly work?  Hydro I guess the only person who can solve the  problem whether the smaller device next to the motor is an alternator is a professional mecahnic or equivalent. I still think its an alternator but probably a large tractor or truck alternator.

Check this one out...this has round bullet holes like the one in the pic and its a ford truck alternator.
https://www.isa-assoc.com/merchantmanager/product_info.php?cPath=63_121_133&products_id=101418


THE BOX ON THE FLOOR WHICH YOU DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS THE VARIABLE PULSE WITDTH GENERATOR OR WHATEVER STAN CALLS IT.
Look at the taper on the top and the union on the sheet metal on the sides.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 20:16:40 pm
So he is using a Pulse width modulator and a variac
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 20:34:39 pm



THE BOX ON THE FLOOR WHICH YOU DONT KNOW WHAT IT IS THE VARIABLE PULSE WITDTH GENERATOR OR WHATEVER STAN CALLS IT.
Look at the taper on the top and the union on the sheet metal on the sides.

Can you be a bit more specific?

Also How and where does the variac fit in the WFC schematic? Thanks
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 21:05:01 pm
The only role I see for the variac is to control the speed of the drive motor. So if the rotor is supplied with pulsed DC I havent seen the PWM unit yet...(not counting the box on the ground next to the variac).

In the video it runs on water the device stan switches on is nothing but a metered variac which he turns clockwise and gas starts pouring off. There is no PWM unit anywhere in sight in that video.

If this is not OU and stan was pumping amps into the cell through the alternator by controlling the speed of the drive motor / alternator, I find it hard to believe he managed to fool people for almost a decade. Surely all those professors and experts he showed it to must know a variac when they see one.  Also the nagging question is did his cell really run cold or  it stayed cold for 20 minutes before warming.

If its not OU then surely everyone should get a ton of gas like in his video (5 volts 2 amps one where he idles his dune buggy) by hooking the alternator to the WFC. Has anyone in this forum got close  stans gas production in that video by using the alternator?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 21:17:40 pm
Hi Guys!

You are making great progress!!
Find attached some pictures and schematics that might shed some light on some of the questions:
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 21:19:04 pm
More pictures.....

Note the Rotary Pulse Votage Frequency control unit (see Stan9.jpg and Stan10.jpg) and its schematic is Stan2.jpg
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 21:20:16 pm
and more pictures.....
Note the generator assembly Stan11.jpg
Stan13.jpg shows how everything should be hooked up and the schematic in Stan2.jpg is very important.
Hope this helps!
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 21:36:20 pm
So then what exactly is the rotary pulse voltage frequency generator?

ohh btw those some nice pictures. Man....
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 21:41:05 pm
it has been confirmed that he was not generating 3 phase from the motor, he was using an alternator. Sorry for the confusion but due to the wonders i couldn't help but wonder why it was better to use 3 phase from an alternator than it is from any other source, now i know.. you cant beat the alternator when it comes to the water fuel cell and that is just that.

sorry i dont feel like taking the time to explain why this is true right now, look in the VIC section.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 21:42:07 pm
CarbedNotch
Figure 10XA in Stan2.jpg is a complete shematic of the Rotary Pulse-voltage frequency generator setup
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 21:45:25 pm
Hello passion

nice pictures damn awesome...clears up a lot of things.

Do you have them all in one file or folder we can all download? thanks
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 21:52:48 pm
thank you for your pictures, before this post gets carried away i would like to point out..

The Schematics in the pictures was to win the patent office over, ALL but the one with the variac powering the Transformer wich was the alternator.

The Timer circuit that pulsed rectified sine waves with a 50 % duty cycle was all used for "proving Pulsed DC to the patent office," and did not produce enough gas to run a car. In one of his patents you also see that he steped the voltage down. See my post in the VIC section.

I think we have finaly figured it out. Now i am 90% sure he was using an additive, he had to be.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 22:03:26 pm
now is a good time for me to get this out before i forget lol... There is a resonance, The rotor is in resonance with the stator, this will happen at 3000 rpms when you hit harmonics, "so thats the resonance you have been looking for", it is a LC circuit. The inductor Mimics an ac cap, when resonation accures between the Stator and rotor extra power can be pulled from it powering the fuel cell, i learned this months ago but didn't really feel like explaining it.

SO, there is your resonance.

To whoever can replicate the alternator with something other than an alternator is a smart man! this is why i didn't attempt the artificial alternator circuit in the past.

full replication of the alternator would require that the output of the transformer would power the input of the transformer. Stan used a variac when he could have used what was called a self sustaining loop.

my first attemps used the self sustaining Loop, i made the alternator power itself with a driver motor, its very noticable when using this method you have to babysit the Loopining machine to keep it in resonance since the cell taking and loosing charges affects the resonation freq.

Later it was learned that you can come close to resonation by just using a variac on the rotor, not having to babysit the unit anymore. pulsing of the rotor will require more power, but will not require babysitting. well, i learned you could use a variac, but small circuits like i have made with the 555 timer does work better, and only draws 2 amps max from the car battery.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 22:19:20 pm
so far we have learned that stan used a DC to ac Converter to run his driver motor wich powered his alternator with a high amp output... Now, whats missing? could it be the cell setup and electrolyte lol
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 22:35:12 pm
(http://ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=258.0;attach=723;image)

What is this big white box with all the switches? 
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 23:32:41 pm
Wouter, great pics!
I didnot have those in my library....
Do you have them in even a higher quality?
If so, can you email them to me?

br
steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 03, 2008, 23:59:56 pm
hYDRO: I agree again that its probably stator in resonance with the rotor but if you use a variac and you take the input from the negative side of the diode bridge from the alternator, how do you provide the intial power to the rotor required for  stator windings to generate AC?

I checked the it runs on water video and stan does first turn on the power supply to the motor alternator so its starts spinning and then switches on the rotary pulse frequency variac box. Is it because the negative side of the diode bridge of the alternator is supplying power to the variac box?

I have a major doubt with the pics posted by passion.

pic stan10: PHOTO EXHIBIT 11B1: ROTARY PULSE FREQUENCY CONTROL UNIT 0-110VDC input.

In the schematic equivalent Stan2.jpg it shows 110 Vac input not DC input.

Shouldn it be 0-110VAC input or is there something more to it?  Is it the input to the WFC?

My question is this:

If its 110 VAC input as according to the schematic stan2.jpg then the rotor will be pulsed with DC @60Hz constantly regardless of the voltage output from the variac.

I dont see how the rotor pulsing at 60 HZ constant will cause resonance. It must imply that onse side of the diode bridge is supplied to a DC to DC variac?

Also note everybody doing experiments with your alternator, the negative inner tubes is connected to the centre wye. Not the negative side of the diode bridge. Aslo note the schematic has only one diode for each stator winding, which means the negative side of the alternators  bridge rectifier  is being routed back to the rotor.

Thats the only way the frequencies will match. But this too doesnt make sense because it wont be uniform pulses but overlapping pulses or  rippled DC. Where is the resonance in that?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2008, 02:00:55 am
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/carbednotch/01.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/carbednotch/000.jpg)

look how different stan's buggy looks in here
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2008, 02:02:23 am
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/carbednotch/0.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/carbednotch/0003.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i283/carbednotch/0002.jpg)
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2008, 05:02:07 am
nice picture, were did you get them

Spike
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2008, 07:20:14 am
They are print screens on the 'it runs on water' video.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2008, 07:43:36 am
thank you for your pictures, before this post gets carried away i would like to point out..

The Schematics in the pictures was to win the patent office over, ALL but the one with the variac powering the Transformer wich was the alternator.

The Timer circuit that pulsed rectified sine waves with a 50 % duty cycle was all used for "proving Pulsed DC to the patent office," and did not produce enough gas to run a car. In one of his patents you also see that he steped the voltage down. See my post in the VIC section.

I think we have finaly figured it out. Now i am 90% sure he was using an additive, he had to be.
Hydrocars

I agree with everything you said, including the fact that Stan was most probably using a small amount of KOH or NaOH (lye/caustic soda) as additive. NaOH and KOH is the most effective additives to be used, i.e. the smallest amount of additive necessary to produce the biggest increase in amp flow. To get decent gas production, one needs amps....
My series cell booster (consisting of 6 cells) produces 2.2 liters per minute of gas @ 30 amps, on straight 13.8VDC when some NaOH is used.
The overall efficiency is still far less than Stan's, but at least I am getting a decent amount of gas!

Steve, Katzray

The pics are part of a HUGE file (80MB+!!) and thats why I took the time to save individual pics as JPG's with a small filesize.
The quality in the big file is the same, but if you really want it, PM me your e-mail address and I will e-mail it to you.

Wouter
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 04, 2008, 08:06:09 am
yes stevie, email him as i am on dialup.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2008, 06:05:31 am
hey guys, i am not too, too, old but i do have extreme amount of mechanical experience. i do a lot of work with old muscle cars. can someone post a clear pic of the alt. stan was using? i have seen some, but not good enough to identify it. the one i saw looks like the plain jane alt in a mid to late 70's chevy. that would be 60 or 65 amps! if i get a better pic ma bee i can get a little more specific,

thanx,

creationist70
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2008, 10:28:27 am
Hi,

FACTS:

output of Stans alternator was: 12.5V by 40amps
Thats what he used in the famous video on his workbench  (hope i wrote that right..)
So it can be any alternator.
He just took the diodes out and used the "4th wire" as ground.
Every phase got his own 1 diode for rectifing.

Hopes this helps
Br
Steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2008, 11:05:24 am
yes, but again thats not what he used to run the car, he used well over 40 amps.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2008, 15:21:31 pm
well,

We don not know that for sure, yet.
If i look at seriecells, then they produce 2 ltrs per minute with 20 amps by 12v



lots of thinking to do

steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2008, 21:30:20 pm
Does any body know where to get a high frequency variac?

Most variacs handle only 60hz,  though I did find some that can handle 2000hz but only with limited current.

Stans rotary pulse votlage frequency generator looks like an off the shelf metered variac that has been modified, http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=metered+variac&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

I really want to test connecting the stator output to an AC variac and then to the rotor, but  how do you provide the initial power and are there high frequency variacs?


Also I would really like to analyze the pics posted by passion. There are some major discrepancies in the schematic for the rotary pulse voltage frequency generator pics.

The input is 60 hz which is then rectified so the rotor input will always be 60hz pulsed DC?

However in his photos stan has labelled the unit to take only 110Volt DC input.

The question really now is has any body tried using something like a variac which doesnt kill the stator output frequency which i believe the capacitor that hydro originally tried does kill...it smoothes it out, so i doubt you could have actually achieved resonating alternator.

How does one know the alternator is resonating?  in other words what are the benchmarks for a self resonating alternator?

(That is stator output frequency is also the rotor  input frequency regardless whether its a feed back loop or external pwm to pulse the  rotor)
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 05, 2008, 22:17:42 pm
Hi Kat,


Where did you read that you need a high frequency Variac?
The drawing is very specific about that it is a 60hz Variac.

br
steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2008, 16:24:09 pm
Has anyone actually tried what that schematic implies? It goes hand in hand with a Canadian Patent that Stan has that I mentioned the other night. I could be wrong, but follow my thinking here.

We always assume to use a 12 volt alternator because that is what we know. But what does that alternator do? It takes a DC input and generates a 3 phase AC output right? We just assume to use 12 or 24 volts because that is what our batteries come in. OK, next

Stan used a 12 volt DC to 120 or 240 AC generator on his buggy right? Couldn't it be a 120 generator that in-turn fed through the variac to vary the voltage between 110 and say 5 volts, which was then rectified as the drawing suggests and sent through the rotor of the alternator? That is what the drawing says.

So if we send 100 volts DC into the rotor what do we get out of the alternator? Should be 100VAC 3 phase that goes through diodes and becomes DC. The secret is that the alternator puts harmonics into play which aids in disassociating the water molecule. Now when we start this thing up and slam 100VDC into the cell I'd imagine it would start to rumble real fast no? Then once it starts rolling we back the variac off to say 5 volts at 2 amps to continue the process. Or as Stan says in the video, "we simply adjust the voltage as needed to match the demand".

I've been thinking of this for some time but am unable to afford to buy the needed equipment to try it. Would someone be game to try it? If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but if I'm right and it's that simple, how cool would that be???

I am really excited to see what happens and if no one wants to try it, I will figure out a way to do it, just let me know.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2008, 16:38:08 pm
Hi Kat,


Where did you read that you need a high frequency Variac?
The drawing is very specific about that it is a 60hz Variac.

br
steve

Hi stevie

Well if its only 60hz and its fixed then the alternator will have to spin only at 3600 rpm (converting 60hz to revolutions per minute) for the stator and rotor to be in resonance.

If the alternator slightly deviates from 3600 rpm there is no resonance. The other frequencies you will have  to try for resonance will be harmonic which means 7200 rpm and so on...

Another  way to match the rotor with the stator is to take the output of the stator and feed it back to the rotor through a variac.

But 60Hz strictly implies you have to have the alternator at 3600 rpm for it to be in resonance (rotor input and stator output @60hz)

I still think a Lawton PWM will allow gating, once high voltages are reached and therefore better suited for replicating stans set up.


Stevie and anyone with an alternator motor can you please source a 110 60Hz volt ac variac, rectify the output using a bridge rectifier and connect it to the rotor. Next make sure your alternator is spinning at 3600rpm and lets see if we get any gas production, by increasing the stator output voltage as stan does in his it runs on water video. At 3600 rpm the alternator should be in resonance at 60hz.

This is a simple and easy way to test the schematic.   
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2008, 17:09:48 pm
Oops, to correct my earlier post.

I did not mean ...couldn't it be a 120 volt generator...what I meant was couldn't he have taken 120 volts from the generator.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2008, 22:36:02 pm


So if we send 100 volts DC into the rotor what do we get out of the alternator? Should be 100VAC 3 phase that goes through diodes and becomes DC. The secret is that the alternator puts harmonics into play which aids in disassociating the water molecule. Now when we start this thing up and slam 100VDC into the cell I'd imagine it would start to rumble real fast no? Then once it starts rolling we back the variac off to say 5 volts at 2 amps to continue the process. Or as Stan says in the video, "we simply adjust the voltage as needed to match the demand".


Tommy,

As soon as you rais the voltage higher then 30 volts, your rotor is so strong, that the drivermotor cannot turn it anymore.
Hopes this answers your question.
I know this by testing....

br
Steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 06, 2008, 22:44:04 pm
Hi Kat,


Where did you read that you need a high frequency Variac?
The drawing is very specific about that it is a 60hz Variac.

br
steve

Hi stevie

Well if its only 60hz and its fixed then the alternator will have to spin only at 3600 rpm (converting 60hz to revolutions per minute) for the stator and rotor to be in resonance.

If the alternator slightly deviates from 3600 rpm there is no resonance. The other frequencies you will have  to try for resonance will be harmonic which means 7200 rpm and so on...

Another  way to match the rotor with the stator is to take the output of the stator and feed it back to the rotor through a variac.

But 60Hz strictly implies you have to have the alternator at 3600 rpm for it to be in resonance (rotor input and stator output @60hz)

I still think a Lawton PWM will allow gating, once high voltages are reached and therefore better suited for replicating stans set up.


Stevie and anyone with an alternator motor can you please source a 110 60Hz volt ac variac, rectify the output using a bridge rectifier and connect it to the rotor. Next make sure your alternator is spinning at 3600rpm and lets see if we get any gas production, by increasing the stator output voltage as stan does in his it runs on water video. At 3600 rpm the alternator should be in resonance at 60hz.

This is a simple and easy way to test the schematic.   

Kat,
 
What happens when your rotor/magnet is pulsing at 50hz, in my case and the revs are at the 2500rpm.
What do you think must happen in that state?


br
Steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2008, 00:12:21 am
Hi Kat,


Where did you read that you need a high frequency Variac?
The drawing is very specific about that it is a 60hz Variac.

br
steve

Hi stevie

Well if its only 60hz and its fixed then the alternator will have to spin only at 3600 rpm (converting 60hz to revolutions per minute) for the stator and rotor to be in resonance.

If the alternator slightly deviates from 3600 rpm there is no resonance. The other frequencies you will have  to try for resonance will be harmonic which means 7200 rpm and so on...

Another  way to match the rotor with the stator is to take the output of the stator and feed it back to the rotor through a variac.

But 60Hz strictly implies you have to have the alternator at 3600 rpm for it to be in resonance (rotor input and stator output @60hz)

I still think a Lawton PWM will allow gating, once high voltages are reached and therefore better suited for replicating stans set up.


Stevie and anyone with an alternator motor can you please source a 110 60Hz volt ac variac, rectify the output using a bridge rectifier and connect it to the rotor. Next make sure your alternator is spinning at 3600rpm and lets see if we get any gas production, by increasing the stator output voltage as stan does in his it runs on water video. At 3600 rpm the alternator should be in resonance at 60hz.

This is a simple and easy way to test the schematic.   

Yes, Thank you! But i get resonance at around 3400 rpms... I have learned you can get resonance at about any rpm by changing the amplitunde,,, BUT more gas is seen at 3k rpms for me!

Yes, thats the ideal,,, But now i don't run a self sustanning loop, i pulse the rotor with a chip because a variac dont do anything much... thanks....

BTW, the guy in florida that invinted the torch,, He did run his car on water, he used 260 amps from his added on alternator to do so, he ran this into another holding tank then into the intake...
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2008, 01:53:07 am

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Kat,
 
What happens when your rotor/magnet is pulsing at 50hz, in my case and the revs are at the 2500rpm.
What do you think must happen in that state?


br
Steve
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At 50 hz, the rotor is pulsing 50 times a second or 3000 times a minute. (50 cycles/sec X 60 secs = 3000rpm)
The stator should ideally rotate at 3000 rpm to output 50hz ac for the alternator to be in resonance with the rotor.


Hydro and  others who have got resonance with your altnerators, what are the properties of a resonant alternator? How do we know its resonating?

I have no clue but theoretically i would assume if the rotor and stator are in resonance the voltage should keep building at the output, so one should get a much higher output voltage at resonant frequency for a given (fixed) input voltage.

So to use the 50 hz example: If you are pulsing the rotor 5volts @ 50 hz then in theory you should find that at 3000 rpm the output voltage should be highest? Honestly I have no clue as this can only be tested benchtop.

Just divide the rpm of that the alternator is rotating by 60, and it will give you the stator output frequency in hz.


Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2008, 02:32:13 am
YES MAN! when the alternator hits resonance you can Pull Enough power to power the fuel cell from the Resonating Alternator...

The problem is, there is So much power available, there is Even enough power to Loop the alternaters output around and Fuel its input, rotor.

The problem is, when the cell charges and discharges, and it does, it throws it out of resonance because the amount of power the alternator provides to its own rotor, and this means you have to keep it in tune..

So this is why i chose the External circuit, It is less effecient in gas production and more efficient on the driver motor, but In self resonance Loop mode it kinda torchers the alternator pulling the extra power to run the rotor, so this is why i moved on to an external circuit, you can make it Stay CLose to resonance, and before you had to baby sit it in loop mode.

so i run the outta loop mode for now, it only cost 15 watts to do this but i don't have to babysit the unit. the gas does drop a little, but i feel its worth it not to have to babysit.


when in resonance, the power comming from the stator going back into the rotor is GREAT. but i replaced it with external circuit because i don't like babysitting.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 07, 2008, 15:35:01 pm
I have a doubt about the alternator motor setup.

With the blocking diodes in place there will be no LC resonance between the stator and the WFC.
Therefore won't the output frequency of the stators depend exclusively on the Alternators RPM and not on the load? So if the alternator is constantly spinning at 3600rpm the stator should supply 60hz rectified DC to the WFC regardless of charge discharge cycle of the WFC?

If the rotor is supplied a constant rectified DC supply: 60 hz frequency from house hold 110VAC supply through a variac, and the alternator drive motor is spinning the alternator @ 3600 rpm, regardless of the load shouldnt the alternator be in constant resonance?

Although Hydro I agree that you can take the output from the stator and feed it back to the rotor, wont the combined output of the stators be rippled DC and not pulsed DC in which case the resonance effect will be limited?

Does the rpm of the motor change with the load (WFC) on the stator output without any external input. In otherwords suppose I were to attach a 10 cell load to the alternator output and the altenrator is spinning steadily at 3600rpm....does this speed change by itself once the load is attached?


Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2008, 02:25:31 am
(http://www.angelfire.com/wi3/jeffknepper53177/gen5.JPG)

Why does it say it needs 160amps input power?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2008, 03:38:21 am
That means it Can draw 160 amps from the car battery.... Its cool.

I have a DC motor that says 12 volts 60 amps on the side.... SO, what this means is It Can Draw 60 amps, this dont mean it will... On idel it draws 13 amps. when you applie load to it it starts drawing more amps depending on the load, but it should draw no more than 60 and if you torq it harder than that you will burn it up..


So, the gernator can Draw 160 amps, it may be only 12 amps on idel, so you run a radio from the converter it could then pull 14 amps, you run a shop light it could then pull 30 amps, etc,,, it can pull as much as 160 amps. so if it is taking 1900 watts full power then this means you can run about a 1900 watt driver motor.

THis does not mean you have to use a 1900 watt motor and pull 160 amps, you can use a smaller motor and pull fewer amps, but i have to admit, 1900 is alot, by driver motor is very incificient and it pulls about 1400 to 2800 watts, depending on the load, 230 or 220 volt motors clearly has more torq and draws less power, so they're ideal..

EDIT,, i just noticed it said that the output was 1600 watts,,, i guess this means when your consuming 1600 watts from the converter its using 160 amps from the battery...  there is a 300 watt loss from heat etc,,.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2008, 03:41:52 am
i dont think that rotory converter is very efficient, this is why you use a 12 volt to 220 converter and not 120 or 104... 220 is the way to go~!
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2008, 04:01:30 am
im not sure they even make a 220 volt converter... hrmmm
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2008, 06:56:32 am
im not sure they even make a 220 volt converter... hrmmm

I was looking for one and diddent find a 220v model
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2008, 12:51:38 pm
There is no problem getting a 220v converter in Europe, that is household supply,
getting a big anough migth be a problem.... (Is parallel a way to go?).

J@H
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2008, 20:38:48 pm
I stumbled across something that might just be what we are looking for.  We achieved 10cc/sec output with a 9" 9 tube setup using an alternator as shown in the pic labeled astuart's circuit.  As you can see we connected the output to the input of the PWM.  This worked to produce about 6cc/sec.  Since we wanted to increase this to at least 10cc we decided to add some electrolyte to the water (we had been using tap water only till then).  What we chose, or actually had on hand, was baking soda.  I added about 4 tsp to the water and found that the current draw from the battery through the feebback loop directly to the cell was so great that it didn't leave enough to energize the rotor windings.  We came up with the idea of putting a switch int the line to the cell so that we could energize the alternator then flip the switch to the cell.  This didn't work at first because the draw from the cells would drop the voltage to the rotor and we would no longer have output from the alternator.  We decided then to add just 1 tsp to the cell and this worked.  We measured the output at 60cc in just over 6 secs.  However the wires leading to the cell were overheating, (14 gauge).  So we shut it down and replaced them with 10 gauge wire.  Here is where we found another problem with the feedback loop.  If you didn't engage the cell into the circuit within a couple of secs the alternator would have a runaway and smoke the PWM.  In the second photo you can see I modified the circuit by adding a couple of resistors, a zener diode to help regulate the voltage and another diode to block current from the battery directly to the cell.  I haven't tested this new circuit yet but thought I would show it to you guys and see what your thoughts were.  The alternator we are using is from a Dodge van late 80's early nineties I think, (it had a serpentine belt pulley) which I think they started using in the late eighties.  Correct me if I am wrong.  The only modification to the alternator was to disable the regulator otherwise it is factory.  Let me know what you think.

Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 08, 2008, 20:57:31 pm
Looking good, sir.
Selfsustaining too!
And the electrolyte double gas output (almost)
But the negative side of chemicals is that you dont have clean air as output after burning in an engine....but thats my 2 cents.

br
steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 09, 2008, 04:12:02 am
The chemical reaction is something I need to check into.  I think that baking soda is sodium bicarbonate or something similar.  I will have to check and see what other gases are being produced if any. KOH may be better.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2008, 13:10:24 pm
hrmmmm
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2008, 17:32:32 pm
hrmmmm

Say how they make it expand except with light energy?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2008, 05:03:31 am
The chemical reaction is something I need to check into.  I think that baking soda is sodium bicarbonate or something similar.  I will have to check and see what other gases are being produced if any. KOH may be better.

The sodium component eats the plates 304 or cheaper.  NaOH  does too.

KOH doesn't

Turtle
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2008, 10:55:47 am
well, using lye or sodium hydroxide cost me 2 good containers! and it stinks to, not even going to try koh after this, i see the diff in the gas, however bobs setup requires this, its good for use depending on how you're using it.

now, i don't think stan used additives to gain the gas, i just have to keep working.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 14, 2008, 14:03:56 pm

 Hi guys.
 I'm just getting into this hydroxy stuff, and don't know if anything I can add will be helpful.
  First, is it possible that the alternator has been modified to be the PWM ???  I know of a guy that made a "chopper" for an electric car, using the Alternator, and cutting out some of the internal stuff. It made NO voltage, just chopped or "pulsed" the motor voltage, giving speed control.

  Second, in preserving Shipwreck artifacts, with electrolysis, we used Soda Ash, swimming pool stuff, for electrolyte ??  Has any of this stuff been tried ??

  I am in the states right now , and have my Hydrogen booklets in hand. If needed, I can post some info on amounts of hydrogen per cu/in, and other stuff, that was used to run a 350 cu/in Chevy engine on straight hydrogen.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 15, 2008, 00:25:28 am
Hi Harold,

Welcome, and thanks for the tips. I'm sure everyone here would love to see any information you have. It all helps in the common goal of us getting to where we are working to get to. Who knows, you may have another piece of the puzzle we are looking for.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 15, 2008, 05:55:38 am
Yes please do share, I would really like to know how much cc of HHo/sec we need to produce in order to

a) idle a 6 cylinder car/truck engine
b) run a 6 cylinder car/truck at 60mph

If you have actual real life test figures that would be great!
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 15, 2008, 07:05:33 am
Hey Stevie,

Thanks for the answer you gave a while back about high voltage to the alternator. It actually prompted me to do some more research on it. I found out some interesting things about the alternator.

Did you know that if you put 12 volts at 3 amps into the rotor and spin that sucker up to about 5000 rpm's, it will put out 120 volts?  That variac could very well have been used to control the driver motor speed to in effect control the voltage output of the alternator.

Just something to check out. Man I wish I could afford to try this stuff....one day soon...
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 18, 2008, 06:41:08 am
Aloha,
It is said baking soda in electrolisis makes 66% hydrogen, 30% carbon monoxide, and 4% carbon dioxide.
Bill
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 19, 2008, 23:14:08 pm
I was going over wouter's pics and I was wondering if anyone has noticed this.

Does stan use spacers between the tubes?

The spacers will damp any acoustic vibration, however if stan's method requires that the tubes act as tuning forks or plate excitors then all our experiments are a total waste, if our cell uses rubber spacers.

We will never see any results.

From the video it runs on water stans cell spacing is not very close but is the gap sufficiently large enough for the tubes to be mounted without spacers?

Wouter or anyone else out there, do you have pics / documentation that will help shed a light on this mystery.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 20, 2008, 11:19:22 am
I was going over wouter's pics and I was wondering if anyone has noticed this.

Does stan use spacers between the tubes?

The spacers will damp any acoustic vibration, however if stan's method requires that the tubes act as tuning forks or plate excitors then all our experiments are a total waste, if our cell uses rubber spacers.

We will never see any results.

From the video it runs on water stans cell spacing is not very close but is the gap sufficiently large enough for the tubes to be mounted without spacers?

Wouter or anyone else out there, do you have pics / documentation that will help shed a light on this mystery.


Hi Katz,

That platecell of Stan didnt had spacers, because it had to be adjustable.

br
Steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 20, 2008, 20:36:09 pm
Katzray

Those pics come from a 140 page report called the "WFC International Independent Test-Evaluation Report".
Kevin from Water For Fuel ( kevin@waterforfuel.com )  sells a DVD for $20 that contains the report.
Refer http://blog.waterforfuel.com/

Wouter
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 21, 2008, 17:57:33 pm
OK ..  so Kevin has it? has anyone seen this paperwork? It seemes as though he is closer than anyone is, come on share the info.  If I am not mistaken this "report" surfaced in the last week or so?
WTF. 2000w diodes? 
The vic looks like a microwave to me
I feel igornant and my pussy hurts
KK
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 21, 2008, 20:42:17 pm
KK

The pictures I have posted comes from the report.
The report is 88Mb so it makes sense to get the DVD from Kevin and then one also support him for a good cause....

Wouter
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 21, 2008, 22:43:52 pm
KK

The pictures I have posted comes from the report.
The report is 88Mb so it makes sense to get the DVD from Kevin and then one also support him for a good cause....

Wouter

Wouter, as it seems, the document is going public.........
KK, i have it too. I have read it and it is interesting.
But it is not a blueprint on how to do a Stan Meyer replication.
There is still lots to learn by trying.

br
Steve

Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2008, 16:53:08 pm

Hi Katz,

That platecell of Stan didnt had spacers, because it had to be adjustable.

br
Steve

Hello Stevie

Wouter thanks for the update on the 80MB file will  get my hands on it. Can some one rip and bittorrnet the DVD if possible?

Stevie Actually the pic in the post is his tube cell set up which he calls tubular cluster array, not the variable plate. 

If Stan's tube cell set up did not use spacers, then do we have flawed cell set ups? If the tubes are vibrating like tuning forks then there is acoustic phase conjugation that is busting the water molecule, like Keely's water dissociation frequency?

Does anyone on this forum have tube setups without spacers.

(I just finished constructing my cell and looks like I will have to take it apart and find some way of threading one end of the tubes and screwing them on to a mount. However it will still be difficult to not get the tubes to touch each other without spacrers espcially if the spacing is 1mm or less)
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2008, 18:54:51 pm
Katz

I knew we were thinking along the same lines. Why else use a signal generator? When you posted the pic the other day the first thing that popped into my mind was Keeley. I had not seen that picture before you posted it.

I have also already built a cell, but am thinking of a way to reconstruct it without the spacers. I do believe that the vibration of the tubes at certain frequencies will aid in, if not boost the gas production.

As far as I'm concerned, great find on that one!
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2008, 20:03:33 pm
someone screenshot and post page 60.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2008, 21:10:51 pm
sure Hydro.
Page 60 is on its way....


Katz,

It is almost impossible to make a setup with 2 tubes without the use of spacers.
As you can see on attached page, Stan was just pumping Amps into the tubes.
The only fraud thing Stan did, was that he was measuring the volts and amps on the rotor.
What he didnt publish was the volts and amps on the WFC.
As you can see, he used 500watts for powering his WFC.

Br
Steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 23, 2008, 03:54:05 am
hey guys,

if u don't use spacers, and lets say... u support the ss tubes by an outside structure, won't that destroy the resonance as well??  whatever supports the ss tubes will inherently absorb the vibrations.

ma bee we can support the ss tubes by lets say a string ( 4 lack of better term), that will let them resonate ( like a wind charm). just will suck tryin to stop them from touching.

another thought, if you take small rare earth magnets, size of a large bb or so, and stick them on the out side of the outside ss tube, and on the inside of the inside ss tube, north to north, opposite of each other they will separate the tubes via the meisner  effect. just a rough idea here, nothin concrete, need more input! also don't know what the magnetic field of the small magnets will do to the effect of the whole process here...:(

thanx,

creationist70
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 24, 2008, 05:39:01 am



Katz,

It is almost impossible to make a setup with 2 tubes without the use of spacers.
As you can see on attached page, Stan was just pumping Amps into the tubes.
The only fraud thing Stan did, was that he was measuring the volts and amps on the rotor.
What he didnt publish was the volts and amps on the WFC.
As you can see, he used 500watts for powering his WFC.

Br
Steve

I dont know if it would be impossible and I also think stan meyer did not use spacers:), but if you take a look at how a tuning fork works one end will always be damped, that is the end of the tube that is connected or screwed into the mount. The bottom end will act as the node, while the top column will vibrate.  Even though the pipes are fixed at one end it will not preven them from vibrating or resonating given that there are 6 tubes.

http://www.onlinetuningfork.com/
http://www.stevespanglerscience.com/content/start_video/tuning-fork-demo-video?width=340&height=340

Stan never mentions the use of spacers anywhere and therefore cannot be discounted.

I dont know how many of you noticed this though that stan is claiming 180% efficiency.

I have huge doubts about the figures in the page 60 pic.  can some one explain how 1000 cc of gas volume is  1lb gas pressure?

using that figure the document claims his WFC gas production is @ rate of 7lbs/min or  7000 cc /min gas production.

Using that figure if we use the following efficiency calculation:

In a collected volume of HHO gas the amount of hydrogen energy will be 7744 Joules pr liter collected gas.

It is then assumed that the gas holds 20 degC and that the gas is saturated with water vapor.

Electrical energy is as known purely E (Joules) = Voltage * Amperage * electrolysis duration time

So efficiency where H2 and O2 gas is collected together is;

EFFICIENCY = 7744* V1 / (U*I*t)   where

V1= Collected H2/O2 volume measured in liters
U = Electrical input voltage
I = Amperage during electrolysis
t = Time of electrolysis measured in seconds

multiply above by 100 to get % efficiency
substituting: 7744*7litres/(12.5 volts*40amps*60secs) = 1.8069 * 100

or 180% overunity


The other major doubt is, how does he get the cell to draw 40 amps without electrolyte.  V = I * R and unless the resistance of the cell falls (by adding electrolyte for example)  you cant really 'pump' amps into the cell.

Also he says in his video idling the dune buggy 5 volts 2 amps on the rotor. Has anyone got anywhere near as close as meyers gas production by applying only 5 volts and 2 amps on the rotor?



Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 26, 2008, 05:23:14 am
you need this part  to do it the right way  plus injection system driver board
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 26, 2008, 17:25:37 pm
you need this part and this document to do it the right way  plus injection system driver board

Could you elaborate a bit more on these pics please?

That horseshoe  object in the plastic cover, is that a diode bridge from an alternator?'

You know i really think its unfair to call stan meyer a fraud just because we dont all have equal access to Stan's documentation. Personally I believe if all of Stans documentation and paraphernalia (for  lack of a better term) was open sourced, craking the his WFC method will not take more than a few weeks.

I sure do appreciate people coming out of the woodwork with Stans stuff but unless all those who have critical files, documentation and possibly parts of his WFC come out in the open, this all going to be a waste of time because there is no coherent logical deduction process in these posts.

But you cant blame human nature, I really think most members on this forum and else where think they can repatent Stan meyers work if they can crack it by themseleves and thats the real reason why they post pics and stuff selectively. I personally think thats impossible, but I have limited resources and if some one chooses to screw everyone else over I personally cant do anything about it. so just for the record I am very grateful for all those who shared stuff on this forum and please keep sharing because I have learned more from this single thread than anywhere else on the web.

Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 26, 2008, 17:33:58 pm
Does anyone on this forum know where Stan got his demo cell made?  He would have surely used the serivces of a machining shop for fabricating his cell and assembling his SS tubes and it cant have been far from Ohio. Or did stan make everything by himself from scratch?

All that screen printing on the rotary pulse voltage frequency generator box with WFC logo on it etc is a bit too complicated and expensive for stan to do it by himself? I am really curious where and how he got his demo cell made.

Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2008, 15:35:32 pm
Katz

You can download the huge file that everyone on this forum seems to have but no one wants to share!!!!

Anyone wants to download the Testing data can do so. Just use a bittorrent client.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2008, 02:27:32 am
What program or web page is used to get WFCIER.pdf.torrent ?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2008, 03:07:36 am
KB

I use Azureus. You can get it at http://azureus.sourceforge.net/    IT works great.

But as far as the torrent that was mentioned, It appears to be "DOA"  :'( , Or maybe just because I'm from the USA, And many sites are pressured not to accept users from the USA.

Spike

 
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2008, 03:20:41 am
Water falcon

I tried to download my Meyers full data book, But it was to large.  But her is a link to get it yourself.

http://waterpoweredcar.com/pdf.files/Stan_Meyer_Full_Data.pdf

Hope you enjoy it

Spike
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2008, 18:54:06 pm
Kare Bill, Spike, Tommy and all those who do not have access to the mysterious file from which all those pics of stan's cell and Pulse boxes came from.... I finally found it after extensive browsing!!! That torrent link is crap doesnt work.

Its available for download at this site:

http://aquapulser.com/research.html

scroll down to the question:

Is the Stanley Meyer method OverUnity?

This doc has some awesome info on stans setup.  Its 88 MB and man this file has a ton of info including schematics and testing data and minutes of meetings with Admiral Griffin!!!!

Stan sure did get a lot of people interested...Pratt and Whitney even the Duke of Kent!!! But from the document its clear stan himself did not know exactly how it worked. I find it hard to believe he was denounced a fraud after all this!!!

Damn if I had this document a year ago, it would have saved everyone a ton of time and effort at least for me. 

 The site is also interesting in that they also think there is an acoustic component to a successfull Meyer replication.

Every one please NOTE!!! This doc is not the same as the Stan_Meyer_Full_Data.pdf. (Which is mostly stans convoluted and I think intentionally misleadig explanation of how his circuit works with tons of unneccessary forumlas etc etc)

Dont know how long this site is going to last so download it asap...it may be a bit slow...it was slow for me.

Okay now I have to hibernate and digest this doc .

Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2008, 00:53:30 am
you just hang in there, there is much you don't understand! Soon this technology will be working with or without my help. either way its here! and its here to stay this time! don't target me because its going to happen regardless. ..

just for the record, stan did not lie, he tells the truth! allthough he can not help he makes you miss-unerstand stuff. Stan has told you everything you needed to know to make this technology work he just has his way of making you think what he wants you to think by telling the truth and he doesn't stop others from stretching  the truth either.

Its not stans fault that you have  misled yourself. maybe someday people will understand why it aggravates me to hear people screaming, Overunity OverUnity,,, and Its still not as much as stan can produce... well, thats because they don't understand the proccess,,, if they did then they would understand! It is not time but the time is near.   
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2008, 03:35:47 am
Hey Katz,

Thanks so much for the document. And the site is pretty interesting as you said. I too will take some time to digest this information. Pretty interesting they mention things we have talked about  ;)

See you all soon, and yes Hydro, we all believe it is coming if not already here.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2008, 07:56:38 am
Aloha,
I heard down the grapevine the info we need is being released in July.
Good source.
Bill
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2008, 15:08:09 pm
Well I'm new to this forum and am just catching up.  But I did find a site that has 12V DC to 220 - 240V AC converters.  Their not cheep though.  They also have 120V AC converters up to 6000 watts!  Check it out.

http://www.tripplite.com/products/inverters/index230.cfm
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2008, 18:07:05 pm
we know he was using 12 volts and getting 2000 watts.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2008, 03:33:55 am
Check out the beach boy wire job
kk
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2008, 01:53:09 am
Very cool kk,

How many volts were you putting into the alternator with the variac?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2008, 02:05:04 am
62-70 volts in w/ varriack    the light is 6v 2amp
the key is 1/2 0n 1/2 off on the  negitive brush
thanks for asking tommy

Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2008, 02:14:26 am
That's fantastic kk!

I asked about this a while back and was told you can't put more than 30 volts into an alternator. You have confirmed my thoughts, so thanks for posting it. Any idea how much gas it is making yet?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2008, 11:28:55 am
the light is 6v 2amp
the key is 1/2 0n 1/2 off on the  negitive brush
thanks for asking tommy



Hi KK, where is the light hooked at? is it inseries with the cell??

hm
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2008, 16:36:56 pm
the light is hooked up to cell power leads, oh and they dont get hot!
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 25, 2008, 22:02:50 pm
Hey KK: very impressive. A couple of questions..what is the output amperage of the alternator (90, 140 etc.) and rpm your driving it at? Does it get hot? Could you explain why you're using the light...I'm lost. Is it to pulse the negative or reduce amps in? Lastly, what is the maximum variac voltage you've put into the alternator without blowing it up? Thanks for your answers KK.   Voltar
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 29, 2008, 00:38:35 am
This is fascinating stuff kk. I had asked a while back in this thread if someone would try this. I'm so glad to see it works. I have to ask as Voltar did, what rpm's are you running? The reason I ask is because alternators are interesting things.

At 3000 rpm's you should be putting out the voltage you put in to the alternator. If you were to put a larger gear (pulley) on your drive motor things could get very interesting. 96 volts in at 3 or 4 amps and 5000 rpm's should give you 1.2kv to your cell as long as you have removed the regulator. Wouldn't that be interesting? If you're interested in trying something like that I have a document I can email you to explain how it works.

Great work so far, keep it up!
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 29, 2008, 06:19:11 am
sorry Guys
   Rmp of motor is 3450  pulley is 3.25
alt is 2.5  any one good at math?

KK
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 29, 2008, 08:46:58 am
Hi Tommy, could you email me that document please?
HM
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 29, 2008, 09:24:02 am
guys, i havent really been keeping up with whats all been said here, but i did see you talking about the voltage of the alternator. i'm not trying to change your minds but i have been testing this stuff left and right, i have found that the lower the volts the higher the amps is where you will get the most gas, if you have higher volts and less amps the output in watts is still the same, but you will see your production drop like a rock. just wanted to confirm this for you.

if your looking for resonance or something then thats a different story, when you start talking about that stuff its over my head so i will just step aside.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 29, 2008, 19:40:08 pm
Hydo
   thanks step #1 disbelief. OK , dude I love you and melissa you help make this fun. Stanley was very advanced yet his own brother and 15yrs can't make gas for the Imperialistic greed mongers with out his fancy Solid state alternator,Ha HA.
 really  we all look pretty stupid with these wires in water and teensy tiny little bubbles barley clouding the water! The next time Yall hooking up that battery charger your going in the WRONG direction.
  When most of us have worked over a few alternators as per plans       ..    Oh yea they were fuct over to confuse us
 build one and prove it doesn't work I dare you (we all maybe successful)
I took apart a sears router 3/4hp used the contact, in my solid state alternator it (has built in on and off switch in a solid state)
rotary pulse-voltage alternator
I used 2 on/off,  but easily could be 4 0n/0ff,0n/0ff in each rotation of said alternator
both  of the ones i ve tested produce
This is open source, try it, test it
it will feel good not to have a plexi- headake
KK
 
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 29, 2008, 23:29:30 pm
Hi KK,

I tried to follow you, but i didnt understand it.
Can you try to explain it all again, but differently?

br
Steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 30, 2008, 02:32:47 am
Its Movie night . . . Got a minute?
There are three known leaks sorry one pissed on my foot after 10 lbs!
the contact is also broken a bit too much sorry
#3 may be biG
Enjoy
KK
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Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 30, 2008, 02:46:55 am
Its Movie night . . . Got a minute?
There are three known leaks sorry one pissed on my foot after 10 lbs!
the contact is also broken a bit too much sorry
#3 may be biG
Enjoy
KK
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Nice work KK. I like your variac in your first film.

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Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 30, 2008, 07:11:19 am
Looks great kk. According to my math your ratio on the pulleys is 1.3:1 which should give you 4485 rpm's roughly. What is your input/output voltages on the alternator? They should be different hopefully if it is working like I think.

Can't wait to see #3 man!

HM...it's on the way
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 01, 2008, 22:31:50 pm
Hey guys
  finally have a kinda working rep.
it was working but not 100%
you can take a look here
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kk
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2008, 09:42:55 am
hello kk, what do you mean by turning the negative brush off? is this by manually removing it? or does yours have the ability to be shut off? if it is off wouldn't that cause the alternator not to work since it depends on the switch of the poles??
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2008, 18:24:48 pm
I use the brush contact and it was 1/2 or more hot so every revovution the alt. was switched on and off, the switch is solid state sodered together adjusting alt. for my cell now i moved the brush/comunitor to positive and have 2 cycles per rev   have not tested it yet soon hope this helps?
kk
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2008, 19:43:30 pm
alright one more question since i rplied to one of your posts over at waterfuelcell.org....have you tried encorporating the vic coil (2 inductance coils around a mutual core) in between your setup and the water fuel cell, so on the off pulse (gate) of your alternator the coil would release the voltage into an extremely high state? This is the exact method im thinking of trying (rotorary pulse to vic (vic being the coil on the off pulse releasing the stored electricity)).....combining all of stanley meyers simple methods.

thank you for your reply.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2008, 17:51:23 pm
Still tuning my cell the way i see it . /..  is there is no chokes or VIC  on the plans
Although it would be nice if you got any plans pics or anything that could make it easier
Email me please its summer in so cal and the california girls are blowing up my phone!
KK
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2008, 22:57:57 pm
KK

the california girls are blowing up my phone?
Do i have to explain to you something about the birds and the bees? Blowing phones is bad..Blowing d... is better ;)

Steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2008, 17:00:02 pm
HEYA Stevie thanks for the girl help sooo what do ya think i should add next buddy . What kinda choke or vic
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Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2008, 19:46:00 pm
[LET'S REFER TO FIGURE 8XA of the independant study report.]   alright this is where i seem to get a little out of phase here.....your set-up is perfect at this point so let's say that the pulsed voltage coming off the alternator is your primary pulsed voltage on the vic schematic......this is where we would now have to construct a "fancy" transformer (1 primary and 3 secondary coils) [refer to 8xa1].....it has to be an isolated one (isolated meaning it filters out dc pulse and allows ac currnet to pass) hmmmm.....i am unsure here since dc current is coming off of the alternator (alternator makes ac current but then convert it to dc before it leaves the alternator)...so right there something doesn't match up....or maybe he is using hte word isolated in different terms....but anyways i will continue to say what i think.....then you would develop a coil coming off your setup around a core insulate it and begin to develop a secondary coil in such a manner to create a step-up transformer.....it has to be insulated in order to create an isolated transformer so the negative leads of your prioamary coil never touch the negative (ground) leads of your secondary, hence the note on 8xa1 stating isolated electrical ground.  back to the type of core it has to be wound on....i am not sure of this since he alwasy shows a square core coil wrap as in figure 3-23 of the technical brief i guess a square would be a U-I core????? but in figure 8xa1 of the independat study reoprt it is shown on one standard core which appears to be bifilar wrapped......now the inductance coils or resonanat charging chokes are to be bifilar wrapper.......but this leaves out the whole schematic for the overall transformer.....so i am very unsure here but i trust the 3-23 figure from his technical brief as the overall true vic coil assembly.......as for those "resonant charging chokes" this is not true as stated by peter lindemann becuase the placement of the diode this would not be a resonant charging choke.....stan uses the word resonant in his own meaning.....i will simply say that i believe its just 2 normal inductance coils say as from a (stun gun) taking something like 9volts and turning it upwards to 60,000 volts while holding almost all amps back!!! (that's also how they don't kill the person but "stun" them...amps kill)...and then this would be connected to the cell........so the overall process would be the pulsed signal from hte alternator runs into the step-up transformer turning it up to a higher voltage and then running through the inductance coils and to the cell and on the off-pulse of the alterantor the inductance coils release the stored voltage (like a stun gun) into the kilovolts........sound good?


hope you understand this.....i am horrible at explaining things.....this is just my theory as of now....
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2008, 18:44:56 pm
oh so  the vic is that e-z no problem






i think 2 amps is good like in water power 4 But i have another design that may lower it to 1/2 amp


Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2008, 20:06:30 pm
yeah the alternator way was a demonstration piece and most likely his first version but in every lecture video he stresses on the vic....that is where all the mystery is at.....soon i will be getting all the necessary pieces of his rotary method and be able to put myself at the front line for figuring things out....i have almost completed the xogen method.....somethings are backordered though....but have you tried different frequencies with your alternator?? by frequencies i mean palying with the speed (rpms) of your alternator by using different pulley methods.....maybe you can try 1:1, 2:1, 3:1, or whatever adn see what gets the most output....since your cell is quite large you might want to try and find a frequency that would run through your tubes best.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2008, 20:51:17 pm
Stan Didn't use additives. Stan didn't use pure DC, Stan got just a bit more from his cell than you normally would under normal Electrolysis using Unstable DC such is what the alternator offers, He was able to Produce just enough to get the job done meaning he Beat Normal DC with Unstable DC, in return The gas output is proven unbeatable but also still nothing Drop dead, only possible to boost the production this way which boosted it enough To make it possible. When stan talks about resonance he is NOT referring to the water!

The truth is all around you, The gas directly from the top of the water is junk. Learn to run an engine on around 600 cc's a min like stan did, then you will be doing something, you will start understanding what is possible and what is not, you will start to see what KISS means which is the method stan used. The vic has nothing to do with water at all, large amounts of gas just isn't needed because of the vic and what it does, and its flawed in the patents, anyone with good iq can pick the flaws out and make it work.

Who told you Stan Produced Enormous amounts of hydrogen? Why do you think that was? When stan told you his gas production and left numbers behind, you fail to prove him lie? Why? you believe what you see and shouldn't, there is only 1 lie i've known stan make, and turns out it really wasn't even a lie. Stan was Magic, learn his magic way that creates confusion, you thought the patents would just lay this technology into your lap?

I think i just said alot, enough that you can figure this technology out if you really want it. "do you really want it?" ask yourself that. you would better this technology if you do not look over this post.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 02:57:56 am
in stans work he described resononace as deterant to keep you from find what he was really doing their is a resonance involved in his work but their is much more to it he was destracting you away from a specific wave form it isnt the resonance that makes his process work it is the waveform resonance is a by product   when you find the wave form  that taps into the true potential of water you will be ammased at what you can get for nothing into it   as of  now i have never been able to find a  wave form to match it  it might not even have been what stan was doing it could be something totally different  but it works that all that matters their is more than likely an infinate potential to it which i have been exploring this is one believeable example

i have a tube cell  9 tubes  six inches long with it  using the right type of wave form  i can get  over a liter a minute at 4.4 volt and .28 amps  if i mix the 50% distilled with tap water i can get a liter  for as low as 4.4 volt  .01amp


 i have had problems with the wilson person and have caused problems for hydro and his site and have decided to  give up on the forum thing for good i  did ask to delete my account   and i am done with public forums for good  i still plan on working on hydrogen privately  and will post some stuff on youtube in the future  on how its done  after i finish with my small engine/ go kart  project in the next few weeks

hydro im sorry for the problems with everything
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 03:40:44 am
i know what you mean topsy,,, its ok to stay low and give tips to the ones that can understand them.. Its clear the ones that understands this technology was picked on and threatened into leaving the internet for their own good.  But the thing is someone will stumble upon it soon. As far as stanly gaining resonance with water,, no he didn't, if your producing lots of gas with high volts low amps then this is something stan didn't do therfor if you accomplish that then it is you that deserves the credit for that, not stan. Water does have resonate freqs, everything does.

let the destractions continue to work, i'm using it for my benefits ;)
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 04:12:30 am
when you find the wave you just keep put  circuits in parallel each circuit is a liter plus  i just broke down my cell and insulated the electrodes in delrin plus put a mushroom type cap on each to make it push out  a few  big bubble instead of millions of small bubble   and am putting 5 circuits in parallel to run my 5.5 briggs motor  for my go kart  should give me roughly 7 liters a minute for  4.4 volt and 2amps  but that is a guess as of this moment cause im not sure if the current leakage will drop my voltage or in crease my production i am hoping for increased gas

also once you hit the proper wave form you will find the true reason their is a electron extraction circuit with out it when you turn your cell of it will turn into a shorted out battery and generate massive heat  which start to melt my pvc  cap were my tubes were  mounted to  if you think about it what use is it to take a little energy out for a 40 watt light bulb their is a totally other reason behind it that why stan and dingle have them  and im putting one in to
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 05:30:10 am
Does any body know how to get a rotor to draw 2 amps at 5 volts.

The rotor on my delco remy draws only 0.6 amps at 5 volts. There is a huge difference between .6 amps and 2 amps. the rotor magnetic field will be greater because of the greater amp flow,

This is confirmed by eye witness Rea o Neill from dublin institute who visited stan meyer. [According to O Neill's eyewitness testimony page 82 and page 93 of the report.] I think in the independent testing report. Stan also calls out 5 volts 2 amps in his video so i dont buy it that he mislead people or lied or deliberately confused people.


Either Stan's alternator rotor was modified or he sourced an  alternator that actually did draw 2 amps at 5 volts factory made off the shelf.

Any advice on this would be highly appreciated.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 05:45:03 am


Who told you Stan Produced Enormous amounts of hydrogen? Why do you think that was? When stan told you his gas production and left numbers behind, you fail to prove him lie? Why?

I believe virtually every eyewitness claimed the device was OU. That was why there was even a documentary made about him. He also claims 7 liters per minute in his testing doc.

Also please read the intro document on page 8. Critical Review of the Available information regarding claims of ZPT, OU etc etc


Stan is the only device which is claimed to have Accurate observation of phenomenon. Virtually every other OU device is bunked.


Also read Admiral Griffins concern on page 96 : A substantial number of UK scientists and engineers regard WFC technology in breach of first and second laws of themrodynamics.

In case anybody missed, this doc can be downloaded at: http://aquapulser.com/research.html

And there are too many eyewtiness who also calim the cell was cool to touch after 20 mins. (Wireless world article)

First of all when i pump more than 10 amps to my cell i notice it gets hot pretty fast. How was stan able to pump 40 amps at 12.5 volts DC and the cell remained cool????

There is something very fishy going on here or there is a lot stan left out form the rotor 5 volt 2 amp draw to how the cell stayed cool even though 500 watts of power is being pumped into it.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 06:33:38 am


I believe virtually every eyewitness claimed the device was OU. That was why there was even a documentary made about him. He also claims 7 liters per minute in his testing doc.

And there are too many eyewtiness who also calim the cell was cool to touch after 20 mins. (Wireless world article)

First of all when i pump more than 10 amps to my cell i notice it gets hot pretty fast. How was stan able to pump 40 amps at 12.5 volts DC and the cell remained cool????

There is something very fishy going on here or there is a lot stan left out form the rotor 5 volt 2 amp draw to how the cell stayed cool even though 500 watts of power is being pumped into it.

My results for test on a 1 liter cavity where 1 psi is = to 1 liter of hydroxy is 6 liters a min, where stan produced 7. 1 one liter cavity was 5.75 ID and 2.3 Depth to = 1 liter.  Also, my cell runs cool as long as i don't kick it to hard, and the hydrogen output looks great. Bigger gaps will cause the cells to run cooler, my gap is 1.5mm and i can tell when i'm using pulsed dc because the water temp hardly changes for a long while, if my gap was 1/8th like stans then id assume my water would stay cooler a whole lot longer, given that i don't see anything special at about a 20 min run without temp change.

you can get 5 volts at 2 amps when you pulse from 12 volts properly, normal alternator rotors pull anywhere from 3 to 7 amps.

at 4.4 amps per tube at 12.5 volts on one cell per 9 cells to = 500 watts, this would mean each cell with a 1/8th inch gap given its tube length would have to pull 4.4 amps, stevies tubes are much longer and he has problems pushing 3 amps into his stanley replica per tube, he pushes in a maximum of 2 amps per tube, myself, my 6 inch tall tubes containing a 1.5 mm gap can onlyUnder normal DC electrolysis pull 1.5 amps, Where using the alternator can cause each tube to consume as much as 7 amps per tube depedning on how far you push it.  this is with using no additives.

All of my knowledge on this has came from over 16 months worth of testing just tubes, i say this because it is fishy that stans tubes was pulling 4.4 amps per tube, if i had to make a stan replica tube consume as much as 4.4 amps, im not sure i could do it. This is why i have progressed to plates, i've learned lots.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 12:59:42 pm
when you find the wave you just keep put  circuits in parallel each circuit is a liter plus  i just broke down my cell and insulated the electrodes in delrin plus put a mushroom type cap on each to make it push out  a few  big bubble instead of millions of small bubble   and am putting 5 circuits in parallel to run my 5.5 briggs motor  for my go kart  should give me roughly 7 liters a minute for  4.4 volt and 2amps  but that is a guess as of this moment cause im not sure if the current leakage will drop my voltage or in crease my production i am hoping for increased gas

also once you hit the proper wave form you will find the true reason their is a electron extraction circuit with out it when you turn your cell of it will turn into a shorted out battery and generate massive heat  which start to melt my pvc  cap were my tubes were  mounted to  if you think about it what use is it to take a little energy out for a 40 watt light bulb their is a totally other reason behind it that why stan and dingle have them  and im putting one in to

Hi jbhuffinstuff

You insulated the electrodes ?
What type of waveform are you suggesting ?

Hmask
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 14:30:51 pm
when you find the wave you just keep put  circuits in parallel each circuit is a liter plus  i just broke down my cell and insulated the electrodes in delrin plus put a mushroom type cap on each to make it push out  a few  big bubble instead of millions of small bubble   and am putting 5 circuits in parallel to run my 5.5 briggs motor  for my go kart  should give me roughly 7 liters a minute for  4.4 volt and 2amps  but that is a guess as of this moment cause im not sure if the current leakage will drop my voltage or in crease my production i am hoping for increased gas

also once you hit the proper wave form you will find the true reason their is a electron extraction circuit with out it when you turn your cell of it will turn into a shorted out battery and generate massive heat  which start to melt my pvc  cap were my tubes were  mounted to  if you think about it what use is it to take a little energy out for a 40 watt light bulb their is a totally other reason behind it that why stan and dingle have them  and im putting one in to

Topsy,

I assume the numbers are for the input on your rotor? (4.4v by 2 amps)  ?
You talk also in ridels. I would appriciate when you showed us exact what you ment.

I didnt like all the trouble some people caused and hope that never happens again.
I have good contact with the admins of that other forum and we found each other in this and we all try to stop this from happening again.
I hope that the honest people who wanna solve this waterproject, wanna write here how they did things.
Just like Hydro an I and many other have done and are still doing. You are welcome.

Br
Steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 18:23:30 pm
My results for test on a 1 liter cavity where 1 psi is = to 1 liter of hydroxy is 6 liters a min, where stan produced 7. 1 one liter cavity was 5.75 ID and 2.3 Depth to = 1 liter.  Also, my cell runs cool as long as i don't kick it to hard, and the hydrogen output looks great. Bigger gaps will cause the cells to run cooler, my gap is 1.5mm and i can tell when i'm using pulsed dc because the water temp hardly changes for a long while, if my gap was 1/8th like stans then id assume my water would stay cooler a whole lot longer, given that i don't see anything special at about a 20 min run without temp change.

you can get 5 volts at 2 amps when you pulse from 12 volts properly, normal alternator rotors pull anywhere from 3 to 7 amps.

at 4.4 amps per tube at 12.5 volts on one cell per 9 cells to = 500 watts, this would mean each cell with a 1/8th inch gap given its tube length would have to pull 4.4 amps, stevies tubes are much longer and he has problems pushing 3 amps into his stanley replica per tube, he pushes in a maximum of 2 amps per tube, myself, my 6 inch tall tubes containing a 1.5 mm gap can onlyUnder normal DC electrolysis pull 1.5 amps, Where using the alternator can cause each tube to consume as much as 7 amps per tube depedning on how far you push it.  this is with using no additives.

All of my knowledge on this has came from over 16 months worth of testing just tubes, i say this because it is fishy that stans tubes was pulling 4.4 amps per tube, if i had to make a stan replica tube consume as much as 4.4 amps, im not sure i could do it. This is why i have progressed to plates, i've learned lots.

Hydrocars are you equating pressure buildup to gas production? If so thats not the correct approach.

Firstly Stan meyers cell is constantly holding pressure at 13psi in the video while it is idling the dune buggy.

Then please watch Meyers lighting the flame, the pressure needle decrases at a slow rate to around 3.5psi while he is burning tungsten and the scene cuts off to show a slow motion of the tungsten burning.

This is what people witnessed. Not just one but quite a few and they  I am sure were not dumbasses :) if you know what i mean. They did see that it was the alternator that supplied power and based on his gas prodn they did come to the conclusion it was OU.

Look I too have a cell and i leave a 1 litre gap and connect the cell to 24 volt (2 car batteris) straigth DC, I can see the pressure gague rising all the way to the 20 psi break point @2 psis ever 15 secs.

But I wont equate that to gas production as compared to stan. and then claim that stan was producing only 800cc or max 1 litre per minute. Please note stan was producing a lot of gas cause cause his pressure is constant when he is utilising  the gas 13 psi to idle a dun buggy.

while he is burning a tall flame to burn tungsten, in the it runs on water video,  the pressure is constantly dropping but at a slow rate. I dont think he was producing enough gas on that video to hold the pressure constant and burn tungsten with the tall hho flame for longer than 2 minutes.   But I dont believe any one has even replicated that yet, because if it were possible either by you or by others on this forum or eleswhere, they would have either posted  a video (10% probability)  or would have gone commercial 90% probability.

The only ones I know who are utilising the gas while holding gas production to hold pressure are xogen and acquygen's denny klein and they are making money off it by selling out and i dont know if their method was similar to stans or if it was OU or just 80 to 90% effeicient electrolysis.

Regardless the ability to hold pressure  and weld or supply heat or idle an engine at even 90% efficiency is a breakthrough in my opinion and my I am sure if STan was really producing under 1 LPM of gas people would have noticed a long long long time ago that STan was being delusional??? Thats why please read the first article in the independent testing report. Stan meyer is given category 4 rating

Hydro cars you and I well know at 500cc per minute production, the moment you open the valve you will quickly find the pressure dropping to zero because production is not sufficient to hold pressure to hold a constant flame and burn tungsten or weld metal or idle an engine?

To be fair the testing doc critique does not call stans method OU? However it states accurate representation of data. That means he did produce 7LPm @ 500 watts which is about 180% efficient which is OU  ???
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 19:03:40 pm
you can get 5 volts at 2 amps when you pulse from 12 volts properly, normal alternator rotors pull anywhere from 3 to 7 amps.



Are you sure stan was pulsing his rotor coil not supplying straight DC 5 volts 2 amps. Are you saying Stan just measured the RMS volts and RMS amps he was supplying the rotor with pulsed DC? 

Even if that be the case I get only 1.4 amps draw @ 12 volts straight DC not 2 amps.

I am sure stan was supplying 5 volts 2 amps to his rotor. That means the resistance was 2.5ohms. He must have modified the brush connections or he must have rewired the rotor with a thicker coil.

I think the carbon brushes are modified. Doesnt he have a rotary pulse gnerator patent or is just that BS. In that I dont think he uses carbon brushes to make contact. ?

Is there any other way of getting the coil to draw 2 amps at 5 volts DC?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 19:20:58 pm
i really dont understand why you are having problems getting the rotor to consume amps, i've never had that problem. On a very small geo them alternators only consume 3 amps if you let it, but i've seen the bigger ones consume as much as 7 amps.

My best gas production with 6 cells was around 1.6 amps, this is where i hit harmonics. i could have pulsed at 3 amps. When i run the bigger 12 cell setup i use 2 amps on any rotor. This could be due to your electronics? not sure but i have had lots of problems with fets etc,, your fets could be your problem. Try the FQA30N40 and see if that helps, it must be gated as in the D.14 pdf.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2008, 19:59:25 pm

Hydrocars are you equating pressure buildup to gas production? If so thats not the correct approach.

Firstly Stan meyers cell is constantly holding pressure at 13psi in the video while it is idling the dune buggy.

Then please watch Meyers lighting the flame, the pressure needle decrases at a slow rate to around 3.5psi while he is burning tungsten and the scene cuts off to show a slow motion of the tungsten burning.

This is what people witnessed. Not just one but quite a few and they  I am sure were not dumbasses :) if you know what i mean. They did see that it was the alternator that supplied power and based on his gas prodn they did come to the conclusion it was OU.

Look I too have a cell and i leave a 1 litre gap and connect the cell to 24 volt (2 car batteris) straigth DC, I can see the pressure gague rising all the way to the 20 psi break point @2 psis ever 15 secs.

But I wont equate that to gas production as compared to stan. and then claim that stan was producing only 800cc or max 1 litre per minute. Please note stan was producing a lot of gas cause cause his pressure is constant when he is utilising  the gas 13 psi to idle a dun buggy.

while he is burning a tall flame to burn tungsten, in the it runs on water video,  the pressure is constantly dropping but at a slow rate. I dont think he was producing enough gas on that video to hold the pressure constant and burn tungsten with the tall hho flame for longer than 2 minutes.   But I dont believe any one has even replicated that yet, because if it were possible either by you or by others on this forum or eleswhere, they would have either posted  a video (10% probability)  or would have gone commercial 90% probability.

The only ones I know who are utilising the gas while holding gas production to hold pressure are xogen and acquygen's denny klein and they are making money off it by selling out and i dont know if their method was similar to stans or if it was OU or just 80 to 90% effeicient electrolysis.

Regardless the ability to hold pressure  and weld or supply heat or idle an engine at even 90% efficiency is a breakthrough in my opinion and my I am sure if STan was really producing under 1 LPM of gas people would have noticed a long long long time ago that STan was being delusional??? Thats why please read the first article in the independent testing report. Stan meyer is given category 4 rating

Hydro cars you and I well know at 500cc per minute production, the moment you open the valve you will quickly find the pressure dropping to zero because production is not sufficient to hold pressure to hold a constant flame and burn tungsten or weld metal or idle an engine?

To be fair the testing doc critique does not call stans method OU? However it states accurate representation of data. That means he did produce 7LPm @ 500 watts which is about 180% efficient which is OU  ???


Hydrocars are you equating pressure buildup to gas production? If so thats not the correct approach.

Yes, As stan stated in his test of evaluation On page 60  He produces 7 psi in 1 min using a 1 liter cavity, i performed the same exact test to produce 6 psi in 1 min, i ran this test to Rule in and Rule out the facts since you cant do this in your head or looking at the data, it must be performed and replicated to be proved, this test isn't something you can just look at and say oh, i totally understand because i am very smart. it dont work like that. It took me many hours to confirm this test, creating a 1 liter cavity environment etc,,

(http://ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=258.0;attach=843;image)


Firstly Stan meyers cell is constantly holding pressure at 13psi in the video while it is idling the dune buggy.

This test was not related to maintaining pressure, But for production per min. in his video where he was ideling the dune buggy it was 13 and 3 quarter pound pressure before he ran the gas into the Electrical Polarization Generator (EPG)


Then please watch Meyers lighting the flame, the pressure needle decrases at a slow rate to around 3.5psi while he is burning tungsten and the scene cuts off to show a slow motion of the tungsten burning.

Yes, this is the way it normally works when your running a flame that small while producing hydoxy, the decrement in pressure is small this way, its hardly even notable when you mix it with water as well.


This is what people witnessed. Not just one but quite a few and they  I am sure were not dumbasses :) if you know what i mean. They did see that it was the alternator that supplied power and based on his gas prodn they did come to the conclusion it was OU.

I do agree they wasn't dumbasses, i also agree that it would be easy for the witnesses To Claim overunity, i'm not saying this setup is not overunity however you should't be producing the amount of gas given those amounts of amps and volts such as stan produced. Pulsed Dc clearly speeds up the production by far.  The onlookers only know what they seen and only understand what they was told. I doubt the onlookers was previously testing this technology hardcore. Its not something that people test, nothing that can be found in a book, nor on the internet. Stan created this. Myself i have only testing this as little as 16 months and growing, so would you agree with a onlooker that may be a scienctest that has not researched the technoloy, or someone who has really researched it for 16 months or so hard core that is a scientest? 


But I wont equate that to gas production as compared to stan. and then claim that stan was producing only 800cc or max 1 litre per minute. Please note stan was producing a lot of gas cause cause his pressure is constant when he is utilising  the gas 13 psi to idle a dun buggy.

while he is burning a tall flame to burn tungsten, in the it runs on water video,  the pressure is constantly dropping but at a slow rate. I dont think he was producing enough gas on that video to hold the pressure constant and burn tungsten with the tall hho flame for longer than 2 minutes.   But I dont believe any one has even replicated that yet, because if it were possible either by you or by others on this forum or eleswhere, they would have either posted  a video (10% probability)  or would have gone commercial 90% probability.

The only ones I know who are utilising the gas while holding gas production to hold pressure are xogen and acquygen's denny klein and they are making money off it by selling out and i dont know if their method was similar to stans or if it was OU or just 80 to 90% effeicient electrolysis.

Regardless the ability to hold pressure  and weld or supply heat or idle an engine at even 90% efficiency is a breakthrough in my opinion and my I am sure if STan was really producing under 1 LPM of gas people would have noticed a long long long time ago that STan was being delusional??? Thats why please read the first article in the independent testing report. Stan meyer is given category 4 rating

Hydro cars you and I well know at 500cc per minute production, the moment you open the valve you will quickly find the pressure dropping to zero because production is not sufficient to hold pressure to hold a constant flame and burn tungsten or weld metal or idle an engine?

To be fair the testing doc critique does not call stans method OU? However it states accurate representation of data. That means he did produce 7LPm @ 500 watts which is about 180% efficient which is OU  ???


Again, learn what the EPG is, what it does, and whats really going on, Take you a test bed engine  and prove to yourself that you can make it run using an EPG.
Also again, his flame was at a slow flow rate, and he also was producing hydroxy at the same time, this is why the meter decremented slowly, i to can do the same.

 

Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 08, 2008, 20:24:12 pm
alright i found some interesting files where the researcher states that he produced hydrogen while still remaining cold.......using a flyback converter which seems to be the vic with induction coils.

www.ee.uconn.edu/SeniorDesign/ projects/ecesd53/FinalReportAddendum.doc (http://www.ee.uconn.edu/SeniorDesign/ projects/ecesd53/FinalReportAddendum.doc)

www.ee.uconn.edu/ece/SeniorDesign/ projects/ecesd53/FinalReportAddendum.pdf  (http://www.ee.uconn.edu/ece/SeniorDesign/ projects/ecesd53/FinalReportAddendum.pdf)
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 17, 2008, 04:11:15 am
kinesisfilms,

i tried to check out ur links there, they don't seem to b working ???. could u check them again so we can look at what u r talkin about??

thanks,

creationist
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 17, 2008, 05:20:11 am
sorry just take out the space in between the / and the word projects...don't know why it did that...

www.ee.uconn.edu/SeniorDesign/projects/ecesd53/FinalReportAddendum.doc (http://www.ee.uconn.edu/SeniorDesign/projects/ecesd53/FinalReportAddendum.doc)
www.ee.uconn.edu/ece/SeniorDesign/projects/ecesd53/FinalReportAddendum.pdf  (http://www.ee.uconn.edu/ece/SeniorDesign/projects/ecesd53/FinalReportAddendum.pdf)
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 25, 2009, 22:47:24 pm
Why did this thread die over a year ago?  Is anybody home?
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 25, 2009, 23:09:48 pm
Why did this thread die over a year ago?  Is anybody home?

Sure Mina,

What do you wanna know?
Just ask. ;)

Steve
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 26, 2009, 21:45:56 pm
Hi Steve,

I would just like to know if anyone could tell me the alternator’s voltage and current capacity in amps?  I know the alternator is key to replicating Meyer’s WFC.  In his patents, I saw that the alternator is clearly a three phase model.

Mina.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 26, 2009, 22:00:54 pm
Hi Mina,

The alternator in Stans setup is basically a standard car alternator.
There is document where it says that Stan used 40 Amps and 12V from that alternator to run his tubecell. The whole misunderstanding is that he said he used 5V and 2 amps to power the rotor of the alternator but he didnt tell how much his drivermotor was using.

There is a but.....
Stan used a halfbridge recitifier and not a fullbridge. His target was getting an unregulated DC. With a fullbridge rectifier he would have had pretty nice flat DC.

Hopes this helps.
Steve

Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 27, 2009, 00:29:20 am
Those links above have a space after ...Design/
 
open  in a new window and remove the space in the link ...Design/%20
 
Get rid of the %20 and it works, at least it did with the pdf file.
 
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 27, 2009, 02:16:16 am
Hi Steve,

Yes, the information you gave me does help.  Every little bit of information I can add to my experiments is one step closer I become to unraveling this big mystery.

I really believe that Stan did it.  He could not have obtained the type of patent he was granted unless he had proven his invention to the USPTO.

Anyways, thanks Steve.

Mina.
Title: Re: How Stanly Powered His alternator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 27, 2009, 05:18:10 am
Hi Steve,

Yes, the information you gave me does help.  Every little bit of information I can add to my experiments is one step closer I become to unraveling this big mystery.

I really believe that Stan did it.  He could not have obtained the type of patent he was granted unless he had proven his invention to the USPTO.

Anyways, thanks Steve.

Mina.

Stan and his brother were just smart dedicated people . They played with radios when they were 10 ... Military background , radar ...

People today just suck compared to those guys .