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Title: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 24, 2012, 12:16:06 pm
Dear readers,

After many years, i think the best thing to do as a project is trying to replicate memo 423's water fuel injection system.
This makes for me the most sense of all patents of Meyer. Go read the birth of a new technology doc again, please. Its starts at page 97.
Why?
Because its one of his latest patents.
Because it makes technically the most sense.
Because most of the parts are already there and for grab.

Parts needed:
1. PD pump (verdringerpomp on dutch) PD pump stands for positive displacement pump.
    Can anybody tell me what brand/type Meyer used here? Maybe one of you recognise it from the pictures...
2. Ambient air ionizer. Not that difficult. I have a working one here in my cave.
3. Mixer of water, ambient air and maybe exhaust gasses, but that would be watervapour, is it.
4. A plasma ignition system. Well, we know a lot of that, do we? Hydrocars was the first doing that. Sad that Aron from energeticforum
    claims that it is work, btw. Brian is my hero on that part  ;)
5. Injector with a solenoid aka sparkplug with solenoid, or something like Meyers injectors.
6. Some plumming parts
7. Testengine. Well, i have one here that i can use. My old 2kw fourstroke genset with special ignition timing gears on it.

Long story short:
Add ionized nitrogen with ionized oxygen into a water, put it all under pressure, hit it with a very powerfull spark and then lets see what happens.
If it gives me one BANG, then i would be very happy.
Not sure if this system needs extra ambient air, btw.
Lots to discover...



Steve










Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 24, 2012, 12:28:39 pm
Good lucky Steve!

Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 30, 2012, 21:26:10 pm
Awesome!
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 30, 2012, 23:16:14 pm
Hi Steve,
I believe youre on the right track - a suggestion to consider - how about teaming up with Russ in a cooperative effect for the technology to bring it to fruition, you both have useful sites, a lot of foundation knowledge etc.
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 31, 2012, 01:14:38 am
Hi wfch,

I dont know Russ, except for his videos.
Who knows. He build nice looking Stan look a likes.
Its funny to see that he also focussing on the injector.
How is the epg project going of him?
How is the ambient air processor doing of him.
Does he have any results yet?

Steve
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2012, 09:58:57 am
The first part (pump) has arrived  :)

Steve
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2012, 00:37:01 am
Steve,the pump Stan used was nothing more than a late model fuel injected car pump.It's the same size body pump that most all American cars used through the late 80's and early 90's.He just put it in a piece of delrin.What ever type you use,it will need to have stainless internals and be able to put out 120 psi of pressure.That's the pressure Stan mentions.
Don
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2012, 13:01:17 pm
Thanks Don!

Steve
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2012, 13:06:46 pm
18 microlitres per injection is need to run a dunebug engine of VW.....


Steve
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2012, 14:36:53 pm
In ithe SEER94 info, I took the 18 microliter figure as meaning 18 microliters per injection per  cyclinder

For fun, take the number of cyclinders in his Dunebuggy engine times the number of revolutions per minute
to determine an estimated water usage per minute.

Sources for rpm would include:
Analysis of the audio of dunebuggy demonstation filmed by Marilyn might give an idle speed.
In the 1992 GMS explained tape released by Dynodon, Stephen mentions injector firing rate and relates it to engine speed  ( 50 -60 mph).
Published sources such as Chiltons will give a tuning guide to the engine.

Then look at the WTVN video segment where Stan is giving an estimate of the number of gallons to drive
to Los Angeles.

Determine the miles  from New York to Los Angeles using Mapquest or some trip planing software

So is Stans estimate correct?  Post a reply  and Show your math ;)


Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2012, 16:27:58 pm
His numbers weren't estimatives. He used 44ml per minute for the buggy to run, which sums 2,64liters of water per hour... at 65MPH speed!!!!!

In terms of gas around 4750 liters of gas per hour, 1.3 liters of gas per second...

if i remember well steve he stated used 7uL per injection cycle--- 44ml/min/60s/100injection/s=7.3uL

at 3000 rpm 50 revolutions per second being a four stroke engine there are 100 injections per second... because each two revolution each cylinder will have fire...

thereto 13ml of gas per injection... in the 4 stroke motor 1600cc each cylinder has 400ml capacity... 

In terms of energy efficiency

assuming 66 watts per mole of water(18g) as ideal electrolysis it turns out to be 9.7KW of power. 100% efficient or so

those are the magnitude orders ..
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2012, 19:25:44 pm
45 h (2.64 l/h) = 118.8 l or 31.3 gal h2o for the trip which is fairly close to Stan's statement in the WTVN
interview of roughly 22 gallons of water

In what video,patent or document is the 7 micro liter figure found?
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2012, 19:58:00 pm
--the tech brief....
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2012, 20:06:33 pm
2800 mi/ 22 gal h20 = 127 mpg of H2O. This give a whole new meaning to the phrase "one tank trip".

Whether or not it's 7 uL as in the Tech Manual or 18 uL as in the SEER94 materials, the Dunebuggy in
its various configuations was an amazing piece of technology
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2012, 20:11:54 pm
Well that is for sure... a master piece of engineering...

I think didn't saw that this seer94 ducument... where is it please?

probably 18uL was the first version of the buggy...

the 7uL figure might have the Gas processor added... later maybe...


 
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 10, 2012, 10:51:11 am
I found this post.
Its  interesting, i think.





Great info Duncan.

He talks about using around 32V
Anyone know how many amps it takes aprox?

I like to make a small scale version to play with.

I designed something similar a few years back, but never built it. It's on the forum here somewhere, here is a pic:

Here is my little "Sparp plug" version :

Water under slight pressure comes in Glas tube trough one way valve
As the water level touches both the electrodes, the gas vorming starts.
An Underwater spark is formed between the two carbon balls
Gas forms and is pressed out of the tiny opening at the plug head
As all the water has turned to gas, the the Tungsten Spark head will become the lowest resistance and sparks the gas.
This way only one continues voltage needs to be applied. ( In my theory/fantasy at least ;-)



Around it I have an energizer only connected to one terminal, The pos or the neg, may change i will see, but the energizer coil will only be connected to one terminal.

I never made it, but it starts to itch again..

http://energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7557-how-can-you-make-magnetic-gas.html

Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 10, 2013, 14:10:26 pm
Hi Steve,

Interesting project here, I'm following a similar path. Do you have any progress to mention on your part? I would love to read how you are doing.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Memo 423: water fuel injection system project
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 10, 2013, 16:13:24 pm
Yes and no.
For me, its clear that the waterinjection is just for some extra power, cooling and so on.
So, yes. I am gonna inject some small waterdrops at the end into the cylinder.
I have most important parts here on the shelf.
But first, i need to create monotomic hydrogen or deuterium.... ;)