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Title: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2012, 03:35:55 am
The steam resonator is something I've thought about from time to time. The theory seems pretty simple. With a high enough potential we should be able to ionize h20 and with that potential was oscillating the subatomic particles would collide creating heat. I believe this process is similar to a microwave but could be much more efficient. The biggest problem I see is creating a large enough potential across a water capacitor with natural water. Please post your thoughts on that. I have my own but I will move on for now. So, Stan leaves us with the blueprints. Impedance blocks current without heat as a lose. It would be hard to build something that worked like this but maybe if we had an air gap or some other dialectic. If any of you have and 8xa set up, please try a test without the blocking diode. I believe Stan had the theory but his application my have been oscillating current.

I recently was able to get my hands on a small tesla coil which seems perfect for the job!

Give me your thoughts?!
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2012, 12:21:07 pm
For me this steam resonator was kind of the same of the WFC however the gas is generated and recombined continually, thereto generating heat by allowing the reformation of water molecule and summing to back and forth, flip.. movement of the ions.... collisions...
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 18, 2012, 07:40:03 am
sebs, I agree, my only problem is the amount of potential that would need to be applied to accomplish this task. Using ohms law and the resistance of pure water, it looks like we would hardly even make a dent with 100k volts. This leads me to believe that  that if any of stans systems worked they had something different going on than what we can calculate. (Unless he was using current)
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 27, 2012, 06:14:44 am
Well, I finally put some of my theories to the test. The potential I thought was necessary would only come in to play with perfect theoretical water. If we are dealing with natural water, we have plenty of ionic compounds dissolved in it. So, with the addition of ionic compounds naturally found in water, oh- and oh3+ ions are not hard to come by. If we move these ions back an forth we will create heat. With this understanding I simply thought that with a high voltage high frequency ac supply I could boil water. Stans circuit was a little different but i believe its based on the same concepts.

Today I placed a cell inline with the output of my new tesla coil. Nothing Happened! I had over 100kv at over 200khz applied( I think)
For the last few months I have had a problem with every test I have ever done with Stan's theorys. I believe the cell is acting as a resistors and not a capacitor in any significant way. because of this, the cell doesn't have a positive and a negative side but is either completely positive or negative at any instant in time. With this idea, I think we are just moving a very small amount of current through the cell without effecting the entire dielectric. That being said, I have measured from 300 to 1000 volts with different vic's. I believe what I saw was voltage from the inductors. The only indication I have ever had of the cell acting as a capacitor is a resonance effect between the L1 inductor and the cell and an experiment where I pumped water through the cell which caused the voltage I measured to be significantly lower than when the pump was off.

Sorry for jumping around I hope I was clear. I just wanted to post my experience and see if anyone had any thoughts. I will start a new topic on water capacitors

Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 30, 2012, 00:22:54 am
The Steam Resonator is simply based on AC power. I've tested this many times by inputting up to 120V mains power @ less than 1A into my cell. The water will become super heated within mins. Stan achieved these same results by alternating pulsed DC. I've built a simple circuit that would do just this to super heat the water and it works!
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 30, 2012, 13:11:49 pm
The Steam Resonator is simply based on AC power. I've tested this many times by inputting up to 120V mains power @ less than 1A into my cell. The water will become super heated within mins. Stan achieved these same results by alternating pulsed DC. I've built a simple circuit that would do just this to super heat the water and it works!
You pulsed the mains voltage with a scr?and using your pulsing crkt?Stans diagram is confusing,is using 2  step up transformers? and 4 signals?
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 30, 2012, 23:46:10 pm
This looks good on paper, but once built, it does not work.
I believe Tony has even admitted it did not work before unless I am wrong..

All applying AC household current to a cell will do is cause an arc or throw a breaker...
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2012, 00:47:29 am
This looks good on paper, but once built, it does not work.
I believe Tony has even admitted it did not work before unless I am wrong..

All applying AC household current to a cell will do is cause an arc or throw a breaker...

There is a difference between household AC and AC generated from DC.. :)
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2012, 04:06:09 am
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,2292.msg22367.html#msg22367

I rest my case. Lets not waste time with what does not work, lets work on what does!
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2012, 04:19:24 am
I have done lots of testing since that post and I have got it to heat the water. I omitted the 220 ohm resistors and replaced them with jumper wires. I also had to use higher voltages other than 12VDC to get it to work, but like I said Stan's theory still holds!
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2012, 21:32:03 pm
The Steam Resonator is simply based on AC power. I've tested this many times by inputting up to 120V mains power @ less than 1A into my cell. The water will become super heated within mins. Stan achieved these same results by alternating pulsed DC. I've built a simple circuit that would do just this to super heat the water and it works!

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Cool stuff, glad you have had some success. Seems that just as the 8XA requires  some current the steam resonator does as well. What I wonder is if you would get the same results by using a variac and supplying the same current at a much lower voltage.
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 01, 2013, 02:56:22 am
Any update on the circuit and mods used to heat water with Tony's circuit?
I assume converting 120VAC to DC and applying to the TIP transistors may fry them
but it is worth a shot.
Happy new year to all!
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 16, 2019, 18:23:53 pm
hello,
I don't know if anyone read me but... Meyer system is very simple to understand.. forget ionization and other blah blah blah patent words.
Stan Meyer was a fox.. but all born from nature.. forget WFC , hydrogen , oxygen and point on THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY.
 
THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY is based on hydrogen bond property.

Meyer heat water with microwave and amplify the hydrogen bond with infrared for stabilize the mixture.. air is used for absorb electrons from water.. Finally IN OUTPUT ON INJECTOR as result you obtain the THERMAL EXPLOSIVE ENERGY...

That's all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2019, 08:01:03 am
Hi Tutanka,

Nice to have you here on the forum.
How should a setup looks like in practise?
Have you tried this?

best regards
Steve
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2019, 08:24:03 am
Hi Steve,

I have been study HBE (HYDROGEN BOND ENERGY) for years and I found that in the time are present devices that use this principle.
I study a  lot Stanley Meyer patents and documents and I have finally understand how REALLY the water car works..
No water splitting and No hydrogen or Oxygen combustion but ONLY HYDROGEN BOND ENERGY released from water droplets directly on piston head.
I'm pretty sure that Meyer found this in nature.. hurricane, tornados, hydrothermal explosion ....all of these are powered from HYDROGEN BOND ENERGY.

You can found HBE into these devices:

GIFFARD INJECTOR
MEYER INECTOR
HYDRO-ELECTRIC MACHINE of Lord Armstrong/Faraday
PURSUIT MARINE UNDERWATER JET ENGINE

After some tests actually I'm building new domestic hydroelectric generator in LOOP that use HBE.

If inventors/peoples start to work on HBE direction I'm sure that in a few of months you see HBE in action..

Regards
Alessandro
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2019, 09:24:06 am
Nice stuff.....


https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/File:Armstrong01.jpg
http://volcaniclightning.tripod.com/steam.htm
Only when steam issued from the jet was electricity produced.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3321-steam-fires-underwater-jet-engine/



Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2019, 09:28:39 am
Alessandro,

How can something like that look like?
Is high pressure needed?
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2019, 14:06:11 pm
The Giffard Injector is better example of HBE.

For example... if your input steam flow has an pressure of 6 bar in output you obtain an water flow with an pressure of 20bar..

Normally that is impossible but with HBE not!!

The scientist Peter Graneau has spent years to write papers on HBE that you can find (and pay) on internet.

Personally I have start some tests and other peoples works in that direction  http://blog.hasslberger.com/2013/06/high_pressure_watersteam_syste.html but the main problem is understand fully how HBE works..

Hydrothermal explosion  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal_explosion is better example of HBE and is the same method used from Meyer

Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2019, 14:23:42 pm
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/61/7b/f1/8e59ac33ab1aa9/US4826581.pdf

Here you can found better example of HBE.. Fig.4 use "mechanical impact" and is the simple and working way for obtain HBE.

Stanley Meyer use an microwave oven (steam resonator) for obtain SUPERHEATED WATER and infrared for the electrons destabilization of hydrogen bonds.

After .....this mixture when impacting on HEAT DEFLECTION SHIELD release  the THERMAL EXPLOSIVE EFFECT as Meyer said ...

Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2019, 18:38:14 pm
i think that you are pretty much right.....
But it will not be easy to make a replication, and it is very dangerous as well....
Can you show me a bit of what you are building? Or is it not for the public to see?


Steve
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2019, 19:28:04 pm
Hello..
 what you are interested? Please specify what is your goal.

Regards
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 18, 2019, 19:46:13 pm
Hello..
 what you are interested? Please specify what is your goal.

Regards

Well, my goals have been always the same.... I want to create a cheap way to make electricity......
Using a generator or something else.....
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 20, 2019, 10:07:33 am
If you want produce electricity I suggest to build hydrogenerator in loop with steam as primary source using biomass or sun.
Is a simple way for obtain the necessary energy source.  You can obtain sizes of 3-6-9-12-15.. etc..
you can build modules of 3Kw each  to 48v and summ the power similarry to solar panels.

Regards
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 21, 2019, 22:33:41 pm
If you want produce electricity I suggest to build hydrogenerator in loop with steam as primary source using biomass or sun.
Is a simple way for obtain the necessary energy source.  You can obtain sizes of 3-6-9-12-15.. etc..
you can build modules of 3Kw each  to 48v and summ the power similarry to solar panels.

Regards

Dear Alessandro,

So, if i would use my solar power, make steam out the electricity and then create more electricity then i had put in?
Title: Re: Steam resonator
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2019, 10:44:37 am
Basically steam is kinetic energy .. sun can be useful for make steam on pressure using concentratr dish or fresnel lens.
For make steam you can use also biomass or wood pellet and you can transform heat in steam directly without make syngas..
Anyone with imagination can create new system using hydrogen bond energy after studying and understanding how it works
Probably you can use also HHO or BROWN GAS for produce water trust directly.
As written previously you can find some examples of HBE devices on:

Hydro-electric machine - Lord Armstrong /Faraday
Giffard Steam Injector
Stanley Meyer
Peter Graneau
PDX drive - Pursuit Dynamics