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Title: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 17, 2011, 05:45:13 am
I've just finished re-designing the complete VIC circuit and I'm going to have some PCB professionally manufactured. If I can get enough potential buyers, I will be selling these boards complete with all components installed and placed into a 7.5"x 4.25"x2.25" enclosure with all appropriate controls on the panel. This VIC circuit will include the following circuits all on one board: "Variable Pulse Frequency Generator", "Gated Pulse Frequency Generator", "Phase Lock Circuit", "Resonant Scanning Circuit", Resonant Feedback", and "Cell Driver Circuit". The sale price will be $300 + S&H. If you would like more info please email me at tonywoodside@gmail.com

I'm also selling bare Professionally made Printed Circuit Boards of the 8XA Circuit, which measure 4.6"x2.3" for $35.00 +$5.00 S&H. To purchase the 8XA Circuit PCB follow this link to my website http://www.globalkast.com/products.htm (http://www.globalkast.com/products.htm)
Thanks,
Tony Woodside
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 17, 2011, 06:22:19 am
Hi Tony,

Are you having unipolar pulse with your Vic transformer and wfc connected to that pcb?

Br,
Webmug
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 17, 2011, 11:51:36 am
This is very impressive and important work, Tony
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 17, 2011, 21:21:01 pm
Did you build everything just from don's schematics or did you take into account everything that was in the pictures as well? it seems like some things were left out of the schematics
anyway, it sounds awesome and once I get some more info, I will most likely buy
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 17, 2011, 22:01:10 pm
@webmug, I've tested the circuit using my VIC transformer and I substituted my single tube cell for a real 10nF capacitor to make sure the circuit was locking in on resonance at the calculated frequency. The circuit would lock on and the voltage across the capacitor was measured at over 1700v with a 12v pulsed input. So the circuit work as Stan says it does.

@jim miller,  Thanks man!

@Dave, I've built everything based on the actual circuits from the images. I did refer to the schematic that Don sent out and I have found a few errors with the schematic. The circuit does find and lock in to the resonant frequency of the LC circuit. It works very well. I actually built this circuit as my final project for my Electronics class and my electronics professor was very impressed with how it all worked and of course I got a grade of 100 on it...lol
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit & 8XA Circuit for SALE!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2011, 06:57:00 am
This is what the circuit will look like. If you would like to place an order click the following link http://www.globalkast.com/products.htm (http://www.globalkast.com/products.htm)

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/VIC_Circuit_Production_resized.png)
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuits & 8XA Circuits for SALE!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 20, 2011, 03:24:50 am
These circuits are fully assembled & tested by me before being sent out. I am building them as orders come in.
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 20, 2011, 09:06:59 am
Tony,

I guess you won't be releasing the Eagle cad files for free!

I had the idea you give the diehard forum members a free open source reference design, so we all could benefit from it and improve and test the circuits.

Well your pcb looks good, but it is too expensive for me. At the end we need ten of them! $$$

Br,
Webmug
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 20, 2011, 17:53:56 pm
Tony,
 
It is nice work, no doubt that you should be funded for your efforts.  I too would like to build your circuit from a schematic.  $300 is worth it yet I find great pleasure in putting these circuits together.
 
Could you please share the schematic with members in some private fashion?
 
thanks
 
kb
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 20, 2011, 21:11:20 pm
Sorry I can't release the schematics for this circuit. Me & the group of people I've been working with on this circuit wont allow me to release it. We've put too much time into this to just give it away for free. We had the circuit worked out long before the images of the circuit were actually made public by Don. I wish I could just release everything, but I have been advised not too. Sorry guys, maybe at a later date I will be able to release the schematics.
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 01:58:44 am
Sorry I can't release the schematics for this circuit. Me & the group of people I've been working with on this circuit wont allow me to release it. We've put too much time into this to just give it away for free. We had the circuit worked out long before the images of the circuit were actually made public by Don. I wish I could just release everything, but I have been advised not too. Sorry guys, maybe at a later date I will be able to release the schematics.

ok point taken.
There is just so much information spread over many locations about stans work, would it be possible to , say, list what documents the rest of us should then study to also unravel the circuit also as not all may have the required funds to pay for a build board and thus need to make it themselves.
thanks
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 02:13:36 am
The function of the circuit is explained in the PDF file "The Birth of New Technology" starting on page 44, Memo WFC 422 DA. Also refer to Patent #92007861 for the basic schematic. Then cross check all this information with images of the circuit that Don was selling. Take those images and trace down all the circuit pins for the chips. It will take you a few days to traced down all the traces for the IC's. Then build the circuit on a bread board and test it out. Once you feel that the circuit is correct and functioning properly, use Eagle or some other program to make the PCB layout. That simple, but not really, as it will take time to accomplish all this. Its taken me 8 months while working with my group of guys to get this all done.
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 02:30:25 am
Thankyou kindly.

The files referenced to can be found at:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1871.0.html

(http://www.ionizationx.com/Themes/default/images/icons/clip.gif) WO1992007861A1   CONTROL AND DRIVER CIRCUITS FOR A HYDROGEN GAS FUEL PRODUCING CELL.pdf (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1871.0;attach=6473) (570.28 kB - downloaded 13 times.)
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1871.0;attach=6473

(http://www.ionizationx.com/Themes/default/images/icons/clip.gif) The Birth of New Technology - S.Meyer.pdf (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1871.0;attach=6449) (9174.94 kB - downloaded 14 times.)
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1871.0;attach=6449

as for the images don is selling, .....dont have those so will have to attempt to work it out what thats available. thanks
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 04:24:27 am
if you wanna see all the images I have them on my website http://www.globalkast.com/photos.htm (http://www.globalkast.com/photos.htm)
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 06:45:33 am
Nice work Tony and thanks for support!

A question to you - have you tried to connect your scheme and measure gas production (if it is)?
You've told that you can get 1700 volts across the cell using your circuit and 6-1 transformer - how many milliamps?

We all appreciate your work, but would like to understand - is it worth spending big money on your scheme (300$ * 10 times)
or make sense to dig in another direction.

p.s. Your site is a brilliant too!
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 07:00:19 am
Thanks Shadowfc....The 1700v I got was when I replaced my single tube cell with a real 10nF capacitor. I dont have a properly made cell yet. In order for this to work you need a 10 tube cell similar to Stan's Resonant Cavity. I also need a ferrite core for my 5 VIC Transformer so I can test with it, but overall the circuit works cuz with the real capacitor in place the circuit would find and lock onto the resonant frequency and produce HV's. From the looks of Stan's circuits and system with the VIC Cards, he only used one of the VIC cards to power the cell and the others must have been spares.
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 09:10:52 am
Hi Tony
Can you sell my only schematic of the whole circuit?
How many I must pay for it?
I want buy it.
Thank Tony
andy
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 09:21:04 am
We all appreciate your work, but would like to understand - is it worth spending big money on your scheme (300$ * 10 times)
or make sense to dig in another direction.

What do you mean by "300$ * 10 times"???
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 09:21:53 am
Hi Tony
Can you sell my only schematic of the whole circuit?
How many I must pay for it?
I want buy it.
Thank Tony
andy

Sorry Andy the schematics aren't for sale.
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 12:38:11 pm
We all appreciate your work, but would like to understand - is it worth spending big money on your scheme (300$ * 10 times)
or make sense to dig in another direction.

What do you mean by "300$ * 10 times" ???

I mean that Stanley used at least 10 circuits with 10 VIC's to power his resonant cavity. Every single cell inside the resonant
cavity was wired in series, but whole cavity was connected to all of 10 VIC's in parallel. Complete Meyer's system was tuned
for series connection to VIC's. When one of the VIC stores energy, the next issue it to the cell. The process is similar to RVIC.

So, i think we need 10 circuits with 10 VIC transformers to complete system and one most important circuit, which controls
 the operation of all these circuits and VIC's. This is the missed part of Meyer's system.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 12:42:40 pm
Shadow,

 My thoughts exactly. Who has $3,000 to get 10 circuits?
If a 'discovery' comes out on the vic coils, will they be $300 each? $500 each?
It seems people will start in their own directions, slowing down the work once again.
If by chance common sense returns, a full disclosure may allow Stan's work to continue freely.
That is a lot of $$$ for an experimental system, even in USD.
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 13:28:34 pm
We all appreciate your work, but would like to understand - is it worth spending big money on your scheme (300$ * 10 times)
or make sense to dig in another direction.

What do you mean by "300$ * 10 times" ???

I mean that Stanley used at least 10 circuits with 10 VIC's to power his resonant cavity. Every single cell inside the resonant
cavity was wired in series, but whole cavity was connected to all of 10 VIC's in parallel. Complete Meyer's system was tuned
for series connection to VIC's. When one of the VIC stores energy, the next issue it to the cell. The process is similar to RVIC.

So, i think we need 10 circuits with 10 VIC transformers to complete system and one most important circuit, which controls
 the operation of all these circuits and VIC's. This is the missed part of Meyer's system.

Thanks.
One circuit (PLL) was controlling one VIC transformer and was connected to one resonance cell.
Each cell is an isolated cavity where water flows through. One large cavity has 10 cells in it.
One PLL is tuned on resonance for one VIC transformer and tuned for resonant action for one cell.

How would you tune a cell if they are all in series / parallel connected? Could you just use 1 VIC en 1 control pcb for it? Guess not.
10 cells make more gas at the same time.

Br,
Webmug
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 13:35:41 pm
Quote
My thoughts exactly. Who has $3,000 to get 10 circuits?
If a 'discovery' comes out on the vic coils, will they be $300 each? $500 each?
It seems people will start in their own directions, slowing down the work once again.
If by chance common sense returns, a full disclosure may allow Stan's work to continue freely.
That is a lot of $$$ for an experimental system, even in USD.


build one of these circuits and see how much it cost ..  one of mine has over 100 bucks in it..  then the time it takes to put all the parts on it... 300 is fair... the goal is to make one and get results then worry about the other 9..
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 16:11:17 pm
Outlaw I agree, this is not just a simple pwm.
Everyone just give it some time, 10 Vic circuit boards is bound to cost a lot even if you are making them yourself.
Tony is nice enough to give everyone a chance to own one, cut him some slack. its just the beginning
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 17:03:45 pm
We will be able to replace parts of the schematics with IC's, Microcontrollers or other components to make the entire VIC card a lot cheaper than the $300 we are no talking about. Before that however we first need to have a working system so we can analyse the exact workings and only then we will be able to proceed. Tony, Outlaw, ... i never meant to say that $300 is too much for the work you put into it, it is clearly not .... Only for most of us (i myself already spent several $1000 dollars in materials, components and time on this) spending $300 on a VIC card of which we do not know if it will work with a given coil/tube set is a lot of money.


It is your good right to ask that money but as stanmeyerlives indicates, we will never proceed past this point if we keep trying to make money out of every little progress we make. I hope i will find the time this summer to terminate my own schematics and PCB of the meyer vic card.


Regards,
Sharky
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2011, 23:16:44 pm
I'm just trying to offer people a replication of Stan's VIC circuit. I have put 4 years into researching his work and materials. Some of you guys have been doing it longer than me. If you don't want to buy the circuit then don't buy it. Do the research and build the circuit yourself, I've pointed out all the stuff you need to research in order to build it. So stop busting my balls for the work I've put into this system. You've had the same opportunities that I have had with all this. I've given and given information on a lot of this stuff, hell at one time I gave ya'll information that got me banned from this forum for several weeks. I've posted lots of Stan's stuff on my website for free where I had to pay for some of the information and images. I think I've done a lot to help people understand what Stan was doing. I've noticed a lot of people who are complaining are the ones who sit and watch this forum just to get what they can and not put anytime into researching this stuff.

Thanks,
Tony Woodside
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2011, 02:23:54 am
Thankyou Tony, your efforts are gratefully received. Also thankyou for quickly providing the links to the materials others can also study to work out the circuit at their own pace. To my mind the effort to complete the 8xa board is a necessary step in the understanding of what is happening in the circuit and cell to achieve the waters split result by a means that is not a chemical electrolysis.

I am going through the 8xa info for the purpose of seeing how to use it for a simple single injector for a single cylinder engine with a fixed throttle

Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2011, 03:48:11 am
Yeah the 8XA circuit needs to be the first step. You need to learn and understand what is happening in the 8XA circuit before moving on to the VIC circuit.
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2011, 09:22:35 am
What would be a recommended diagram / board layout software to use?  Are there any freeware ones that would be suitable?

Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2011, 10:04:41 am
There is a freeware version of EagleCAD that allows you to create a PCB of 100mm/80mm which should be sufficient for the 8XA circuit, see http://www.cadsoft.de/ (http://www.cadsoft.de/) for information and downloads.


Regards,
Sharky
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 25, 2011, 17:36:10 pm
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2011, 04:39:34 am
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 28, 2011, 11:54:29 am
http://www.designspark.com/ (http://www.designspark.com/)
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2011, 05:32:46 am
The PCB's came in today. I'm now offering Complete VIC ($300), VIC Kit ($200), and bare VIC PBC ($125) plus S&H. For more info visit http://www.globalkast.com/products.htm (http://www.globalkast.com/products.htm)

Thanks,
Tony Woodside
Title: Re: Complete VIC Circuit!
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 14, 2011, 02:39:51 am
these boards appear to require an AC source to operate and be functional, which means either theyre tied to a workshop bench or a inverter is required to use it in a vehicle...imho