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Title: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 12, 2011, 04:12:29 am
last update 14 2 2011
2 image and dim calc
 
On page three of Issue 3 Winter-Spring 86/87, there is a picture of a
resonant cavity. What is thelikely diameter?

Quick Analysis
 
For this analysis, it was determined that glare line on the cylinder basically was midline of the housing. The diameter of the tube is likely the same as Stan's other tubes. The outside dimension is likely to be 5.5 inches, possibly 6.
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Since the sphere wil be placed in the center of the tube, the edges of the cylinder as rendered in 2d will be the same distance from the observer as the center of the sphere, If the cycinder is assumed to be 5.5 inches in outer diameter then the  ratio of the diameter of the sphere to the tube diameter will give a rough idea of the sphere diameter.
 
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argument 2<val>p1::<val>p2
Ratio 1.62
 
3.38
rnd(.5)
3.5 in (first estimate)

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argument 48:102::.75:<val>
Ratio 2.125
 
1.59
 
Rnd <val> part sort
1.5

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argument 48:232::0.75:<val>
Ratio  4.83
3.622
 
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run row mean
 
sigma <val>1:::<val>2
3.38:::3.622
mean 3.501
 
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.75:1.5 pass availablity test***
3.5 pass rnd test ***
 
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Title: Re: Resonant Sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 12, 2011, 10:35:54 am
Nice....
Finally some research into the sphere cell.  :)

Steve
Title: Re: Resonant Sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 12, 2011, 16:22:04 pm
3.5 inches, nice, Thank you
Title: Resonant cavity Sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2016, 16:55:12 pm
If you read this patent paper, all you need is this mechanical sphere and a squarewave generator that delivers pulses till 50V.........

And then you have a working resonant cavity.
Title: Resonant Cavity Sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2016, 17:00:25 pm
pictures!
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2016, 02:11:18 am
when you get a such configuration the is a diference in space charge density i gues...

he says somehow that the contaminants reduce the eficiency.
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2016, 08:39:44 am
why not adding a full wave bridge rectifier at the end of the coils?

i mean if the amps are restricted on the coils maintaining a open circuit.. why not to use the right portion that we want? 

meyer talks in this patent about hiting the frequency of the cavity and that at this frequency the force is maximized... he than say that amp flows are equivalent to force withing the molecules...
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2016, 21:06:16 pm
look what he build.
a sphere
and using a simple pwm
no vic
tops 48v
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2016, 02:05:24 am
well i didnt seem to have read its only a pwm.. in this patent he makes clear that the negative outside shell and positive is the inner electrode... and in the case of the sphere the inner electrode has a much smaller radius...

i dont know the measures...

but if the distance is bigger than the radius the electric field there is much smaller than near the electrode.. this is said to be a electric field gradient...

in a capacitor there should be no diference in charge density at the plates but in this case as there is a big diference in radius (from the drawing) than the outer shell does not get as much as charge as the inner electrode... as the geomtry itself blocks the electric field before it reach the other electrode...

water is a good conductor of electric fields by its dielectric proprieties...although the reach of the electric field depends on the size of the field souce...


an electric field is defined in the real world (non electrostatic) by a current density and a ohmic media

such that for it to exist actually there must be some current flowing if its not in absolute vaccum ...



Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2016, 02:46:15 am
http://dev.physicslab.org/Document.aspx?doctype=3&filename=Electrostatics_ElectricFieldsVoltage.xml

please check this link and click on the answers for the exercises questions...
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2016, 03:09:18 am
http://dev.physicslab.org/Document.aspx?doctype=3&filename=Electrostatics_ElectricFieldsVoltage.xml

please check this link and click on the answers for the exercises questions...

I like gauss's law better :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:On_Physical_Lines_of_Force.pdf
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2016, 14:20:50 pm
the link i posted explain in detail the theory i had about the electric field from electric potential and geometry..


gaus law is nice.. but this use charge to calculate the voltage and vice versa.. so it allow to calculate not only the strenght but how it behave over distance from eletcrode..

those equations are the same i arrived...

but they explain more completely ...

hope you can understand....

it also have some curiosity about hydrogen atom. .

like the electric  potential of the electron orbit.... and so on (at the answers)

Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2016, 14:31:41 pm


hope you can understand....



Not really.....

If the answer is 2.10 what does that mean?

Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2016, 00:39:06 am
Point Charges
 
Check Your Answer    Use the formula for the electric field surrounding a point change to calculate an expression that would allow you to evaluate the electric potential (or voltage) at a given distance from the point charge.
    
    

Check Your Answer    How does the graph of E vs r for a charged spherical conductor of radius R compare to its graph of V vs r?
    Observe the properties of E vs r from the perspective of it being a gradient, or negative derivative of V vs r.
    
 
   
For a conducting sphere,
V = kQ/r   For a conducting sphere,
E = kQ/r2

Refer to the following information for the next five questions.

In a hydrogen atom, an electron (q = -e = -1.6 x 10-19 C) orbits a proton (q = +e = +1.6 x 10-19 C) at a radius of 0.53 x 10-10 meters.
EnviarCheck Your Answer    Considering the proton to be the central charge, what is the electric potential at the electron's orbital radius?
    27.2 volts

EnviarCheck Your Answer    How much electric potential energy does the electron have by virtual of its position in the proton's electric field?
    -4.35 x 10-18 J
    This question could have also been phrased as "how much electric potential energy is stored in a hydrogen atom?"

EnviarCheck Your Answer    How much kinetic energy does the electron have as it orbits the proton?
    2.17 x 10-18 J

EnviarCheck Your Answer    What is the electron's total energy?
    -2.18 x 10-18 J
    This energy is negative since the electron is trapped in the energy well of the atom. Recall that you the same scenario when you are working with satellites orbiting planets (link).

Check Your Answer    How much additional energy would the electron need to escape from its energy well - that is, to be ionized?
    +2.18 x 10-18 J
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2016, 01:00:11 am


hope you can understand....



Not really.....

If the answer is 2.10 what does that mean?

there you see they asking about the hydrogen atom that is a simplified version of course... but it gives an idea of how much electric field is required to pull apart the atom from its electron...

as you see the electron is at 27v potential in a hydrogen atom... this mean a photon with 27 electronvolts would be able to eject the only electron from it...

many molecules are easier to ionize than this...because their electron is shared... but physics can only calculate for simple atoms like hydrogen with one proton and one electron...

there is of course estimations and measured values...

electric force is equal to the charge times the electric field...

for example the force that the water molecule feel from the electrode is twice.. because it attracts a portion of it and repel another portion of the atoms inside the molecules,,

for example is possible to calculate from this the stretching of the molecule but trully if the molecule already have applied to it such a strong force it will already break apart..

water has a dielectric constant of 81 and this is because it is a polar molecule... is a polar solvent one of the best solvents available ... salt dissolves into water because water provide a way to it to break into split ions... this ions equidistantly distribute over the volume... a greater dielectric constant mean a better conduction of electric fields or that for the same charge the electric field between two point charges is 81 times smaller than vaccum

the same thing would happen if we were able to split the protons from electrons inside water... as water will reduce the electric field between them...
 

Meyer talk about increasing the oxygen negative charge and hydrogen positive charge... and that this makes the oxygen to repel the hydrogen covalent electrons switching the force that attract the atoms together.. .

he than say that the free floating atoms must regain its lost electrons to exit from the water bath as neutral molecules.. or so..

he also says that he apply the electric field 90 degrees before the current........ and this mean that it is restricted by a coil...

meyer say in the patent of the sphere capacitor that the greater the current thru water the greater will be the force too.. and that the ripling also cause a dynamic force..

by dynamic i think he mean electrodynamic when we get a changing electric field we get also a changing magnetic field.... 


Meyer talk abou slowing down the orbital spin of the electrons around their atoms to make it more eliptical

the teory will tell you what you need to do to accomplish the task.



Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2016, 03:53:02 am
that 27.2 volts is simply the 2 electrons of a hydrogen gas molecule added together aint it?.....its not the same with the different ion species youre dealing with in your WFC.
If its a single hydrogen atom then you already know its 13.6 eV.....thats a distance.....i guess thats what youre getting at.....it takes 13.6 electron potential(eV) to be at a distance where there is no attraction.
The dynamic force of the rippling(oscillating) current is where the frequency needs to match the 1/4 wavelength or multiple of the cavity aint it? Or does it need to match a multiple of a wavelength of of those photons down yander...
There is a photon that matches both the oxygen and the proton in a really narrow bandwidth that might be worth a shot.........Im pretty sure it wasnt no whwere near 27eV tho.....i have that wrote down here somewhere if you want it :)

eh you may allready know this... here's what i have in some notes:
hydrogen : 397nM  INTENSITY =8
                                                } UV
oxygen:  397.3nM INTENSITY=450
O : 423.3 nM
H : 410.1 nM
H2O: 167nM
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2016, 07:55:18 am
http://www.chem1.com/acad/webtext/chembond/cb08.html

http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/vchemlib/course/mo_theory/main.html

in this link you find about this and what makes the covalent forces exist...

to take one electron out of a hydrogen molecule (H2) is easier than take the electron from the H atom... because in the H2 there is one electron left... to take this electron out is harder...
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2016, 19:04:55 pm
The thing is that is should be easy to get a 3.5 inch sphere and a pwm....

No fancy items.
adjustment of the pulse width is a must, as you crank up voltage and because you want to limit current somewhere in the proces....
During tinkering we should see some sweet points...

So, thats on my agenda now...
And if we have figured out how this works, we can move one.....

Title: Lets go Jet like bubbles
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2016, 20:16:05 pm
I wish you very well good luck! i believe is a good way to go but sphere is not a trivial task to obtain and align... perheps not as much as i imagine...

i will try some but with cylinders for now i will try to use a guitar string as a central  electrode having much smaller radius than the cylinder... so the outside sphere was 3,5 inch?

what was the size of the inner sphere?

i have some small magnets spheres like 5 or 6 mm diameter i could try to use it as electrode...




Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 12, 2016, 21:27:07 pm
Samual leach ?.... has a simular arrangement.
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 13, 2016, 22:39:31 pm
i dont know this samuel..

i was thinking about and i guess i found a missing link... when i was working with barium titanate i found that capacitors have absorption effects...this mean that just like a iron core in a coil if you dont actually reverse the direction of the current there will be groups that remain alligned and as such its not there to be polarized again over and over as it is already polarized....

this is called hysteresis . and it mean that the sistem will remain with some of the charge you put into it necessarely... as water is polar this effect is very pronounced much more than in plastics... however as water have some kinnetic energy the molecules will  disorder fast

when the switch is open here i see a big spike little after that goes up to 70v positive as the switch is on low side...

actually there is my protection system connected in parallel with the cell as im using the freq generator that you see in the videro and its prepared to pulse transformers and allow them to collapse .... i guess this 70v may come from the inductance of the lead wires...



you see what i mean?

yesterday i did some tests and labview gave me strange graphs for current... i kind of found a resonance at 7hz or so... the water shakes...

just pulsing 50% 12v pulseslike you said steve but i get potassium hydroxide on water... using the polished electrodes it gives some nice gas at 2 or 3 amps or so... may be 6 amps peaking...

just one cell... the cell is closed on one side so water stand on its own... 

at certain frequencies it created a small fog like like those foggers.

there is very littel amount of water in the system but only in the gaps of the tube and rod (closed below) but having maybe 5mm of water lever over the cap

the graph showed a sine wave that went to zero periodically like if applying 7hz made the cell to absorb the current in a ac like behavior
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 14, 2016, 05:57:39 am
Yea leach has a sphere system patent with lasers and steam....i was watching a guy on you tube last night using a washer drain pump as an pure tone oscillator. ... im looking into an oscillator like that now ....i thought was a cool way to generate pure tone variable frequency :)
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 15, 2016, 00:18:54 am
still dongt know who is this...

i think nobody understood my bad english hahaha
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 15, 2016, 09:21:12 am
what happend at 7hz Fabio?
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 16, 2016, 04:15:04 am
still dongt know who is this...

i think nobody understood my bad english hahaha

yea kinda hard to understand what youre saying.....

It seems like you said at certain frequencies with 12v pulsed dc square wave you get a graph that shows a 7hZ sinewave that doesnt cross zero but approaches zero.
At some frequency you pull a few amps and make some gas in a sealed single tube cell with some amount of KOH and polished electrodes.
It appears to absorb a 7hZ current from something other than your pulse frquency.....

Hard to make anything out of it....im glad you decided to use a little KOH and at least make some gas....to many people forget what the purpose of the circuit is....MAKE GAS :)
If we could all get the point of actually burnning the gas we would have some interesting things to discuss.
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 16, 2016, 23:39:43 pm
yes kind of i couldnt insert 7hz to the water it created a sine like wave that had only the positive side....on the current graph being ploted in real time...

i have some work to finish if i can i will make a video of it later...

also the water shakes maybe because of the bubbles.. being generated...

i was thinking that perhaqps this aberration on the cuurent measure can be also because of the bubbles..

Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 17, 2016, 02:19:09 am
i found that this false reading may not be what i expected.. it is maybe a probem of the labview module limitation of 14 samples per second....  so driving at this frequencyes low it canot avarage correctly and so gives this strange waves....
the module i use is ni9211 http://www.ni.com/datasheet/pdf/en/ds-197

but the water still shakes
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2016, 01:01:35 am
My digital oscilloscope does very low frequency reading...

i will do a set of tests and film it so you can get more familiarized with what i´m doing and maybe more of you can understand what to do and do and maybe share back with us...

i really hope for all you that you can understand what i´m trying to say in the videos.. .i´ll do my best to be clear...

i will post all to my channel sebosfato  in youtube... hope it helps we start a good discussion,,, ,

Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2016, 04:44:09 am
That's coob Seb, I havent done anything since my wire arived....im glad i didnt use it yet for my inductors...according to most that have posted the  inductance of those washer drain pump coils are 150mH and they are wired in serries ....i need those as a salvage part in my efforts in using off the shelf parts in my quest....im really liking the thought of a mechanical oscillator now :)
Title: Re: Resonant cavity sphere
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 18, 2016, 14:24:52 pm
i´m glad you started to get it! now i think its time to get and try!