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Title: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2011, 22:58:10 pm
Input 30V by 0.06A

Voltage across VIC 800VAC

Fully resonance achieved!


Steve

Stanley Meyer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L-7RDP97aM#)
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2011, 23:48:22 pm
looking good there Steve, what size chokes are you using?
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2011, 23:52:34 pm
looking good there Steve, what size chokes are you using?

Same MOT trick as you did.. ;)
My coils are 6.5H

Steve
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2011, 23:55:35 pm
Nice Steve - more results will follow from all of us  :)
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2011, 23:57:46 pm
nice work there man!!
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 15, 2011, 23:59:39 pm
Nice Steve - more results will follow from all of us  :)

Great IO!
Cannot wait to see more people replicating this.

Steve
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2011, 00:05:05 am
At Steve; I am working close with Tony but due to the lack of funding so far, I cannot post any results but will do so asap I have some for you guy's - even better when the NH3 is starting to be produced - will be some time til that day, but non the less it is getting closer.
Bet you are happy with the resonance, I know I would and will be  :P
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2011, 01:32:01 am
Great Work Steve!!

 I couldnt seem to get my MOT to perform.. The SCR would stay locked on... I just recently blew my rectifier so i need to get a new one... i think i messed it up the other day when i was showing someone the difference when salt is in the water :-/ probably pulled to many amps.
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2011, 03:07:50 am
hey Steve what frequency did you get resonance at?
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2011, 08:14:40 am

looking good there Steve, what size chokes are you use

Same MOT trick as you did.. ;)
My coils are 6.5H

Steve

Hi Steve
Your coils are 6,5H each ? Do you measure 800vac accros water capacitor? ( ground point of probe to one plate wfc and hot point of probe of your oscyloscope to two plate of wfc?)
Do you connect earth to your circuit ( if yes to where?)
thank
andy
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2011, 14:43:02 pm
Here my setup....
Input 30V rectified AC.
0.06A

Gives 800VAC on the chokes
Steve
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2011, 15:11:32 pm
Hi Steve
Do you measure 800vac accros water capacitor? ( ground point of probe to one plate wfc and hot point of probe of your oscyloscope to two plate of wfc?)
Do you connect earth to your circuit ( if yes to where?)
If you have 800Vac on the chokes what is voltage on water capacitor? We need high voltage on the water capacitor ( not on chokes or VIC)
thank for ansver
andy
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2011, 19:21:59 pm
wow so thats like 2.25 milliamps going into your tube set and your making gas. looks like proof of concept to me!
Title: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2011, 19:36:59 pm
wow so thats like 2.25 milliamps going into your tube set and your making gas. looks like proof of concept to me!

How much gas? Yes, you can get resonance, but how much gas do you actually get?
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 16, 2011, 20:28:26 pm
hello Yaro
 i wasn't implying that he was producing enough gas to power the circuit. The circuit itself is consuming some power so the the current leekage across the cell is even less then 2.25 ma. To see any gas production at these low levels of current imput is impressive, atleast to me.
It leads me to believe that something else is going on here, not electrolysis! ;) 
 
Steve thanks for the circuit!
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2011, 03:18:23 am
Pardon the jump in,

Thanks a million for the mid winter circuit fun Steve and Tony,  I'll be building and testing both, it is appreciated and welcomed right about now. 

having learned mosfets it is now time for SCRs

btw,  I play with a 110 to 220 step up transformer after my variac and use a irfbc40...  have others tried this?

at 350vdc in and very slim pulse width, I get some good gas all below 1 amp.   830v peak to peak at tube +

kickback
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2011, 05:47:22 am
First of !!! thats awesome Steve, yet from your video i think you have a harmonic not resonance (sorry to be a stick in the mud, measure you cell capacitance and your connected inductance, total, LC resonance the numbers).


Just cause everyone is doing it i though i would throw in my thoughts on this process. This is an oscillating tank circuit. By pulsing the closed loop (transformer/s, inductor,cap,inductor back to transformer) you move the electrons from one side of the cap to the other. There is resistance in the inductors to create the magnetic field. Once the charge has moved the electrons to one plate and the inductors field has collapsed forcing the charge to increase on said plate (and your dielectric loss at that voltage have been removed as a small amount of electrolysis). With the lack of any forces holding this charge on the capacitor there is an imbalance moving all the electrons back through the circuit (setting up reverse polarity magnetic fields) to the other plate, where the inductors cram up the voltage again as their fields collapse (as you increase voltage the amount of resistance to amp flow a material has is reduced. This then flows back the other way except if you transformer pulses at just the right time it bolsters this movement of electrons, (electro-magnetic strength is based very heavily on amp flow so on the high voltage side there is less amp flow) and increases its quantity of charge (quantity as in amp strength not voltage potential). This pumping action continues (and you loose a little bit more of your charge each time there is no resonant "kick") until you hit the breakdown point of the dielectric.


Then if you can keep the voltage rising past this point you can actually get to the point of "avalanche effect". Now as stan used an alternator in tune with his cell, at the begining, he would of been pumping in both directions, not really needed.
 At true resonance your cell will continue to increase in voltage until all of your input amps are passed through the dielectric at each oscillation. This said a far better set up would be a step-down transformer as this would push more amps through the circuit (theory point!!!)


All in all you are doing all of our "B" and "C"'s for us!!!
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2011, 11:00:38 am
Helo kickback
Pardon the jump in,

Thanks a million for the mid winter circuit fun Steve and Tony,  I'll be building and testing both, it is appreciated and welcomed right about now. 

having learned mosfets it is now time for SCRs

btw,  I play with a 110 to 220 step up transformer after my variac and use a irfbc40...  have others tried this?

at 350vdc in and very slim pulse width, I get some good gas all below 1 amp.   830v peak to peak at tube +

kickback

I have question to you. Where you connect ground of your probe of oscyloscope when you measure 830 V peak to peak?
thank you for ansver
andy
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2011, 19:39:31 pm
Andy & Crazy,

the neg oprobe is put at neg line on amp meter after HV bridge, btw running at 1200hz - 2400hz....

  probes across the tubes show 70 volts

Crazy,  I'm dong just that, my step down toroids and now with my new iron powder EI core I'll test this theory further.  I've made it so I can switch out cores for tests.  Step downs always have made more gas for me.
Title: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2011, 20:52:37 pm
Andy & Crazy,


  Step downs always have made more gas for me.

You get more current with step downs.
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2011, 21:24:11 pm
Yaro,

bizactacally, thus my concordance with Crazy's ideas...  current equals electron flow by definition, so maybe by rhythmically forcing bulk electrons back & forth physically across the water has an effect on gas production

common electrolysis shows that at the negative electrode
success with these AC and SCR replica circuits may convince me of a meyer effect, indeed

...crapping my pants from witnessing an actual "avalanche effect" would be welcomed.


Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2011, 23:59:24 pm
Hi Steve
Do you measure 800vac accros water capacitor? ( ground point of probe to one plate wfc and hot point of probe of your oscyloscope to two plate of wfc?)
Do you connect earth to your circuit ( if yes to where?)
If you have 800Vac on the chokes what is voltage on water capacitor? We need high voltage on the water capacitor ( not on chokes or VIC)
thank for ansver
andy

The probe is not across the plates, but over the chokes.
Here is a picture of the scope when the probe is across the plates..
It al looks a bit like Puharich waveforms..


Steve
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2011, 00:01:12 am
wow so thats like 2.25 milliamps going into your tube set and your making gas. looks like proof of concept to me!

How much gas? Yes, you can get resonance, but how much gas do you actually get?

Not mucho.... :'(
Its much less then normal electrolysis...
But i think it is a next step in cracking Meyer.

Steve
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2011, 00:04:17 am
Pardon the jump in,

Thanks a million for the mid winter circuit fun Steve and Tony,  I'll be building and testing both, it is appreciated and welcomed right about now. 

having learned mosfets it is now time for SCRs

btw,  I play with a 110 to 220 step up transformer after my variac and use a irfbc40...  have others tried this?

at 350vdc in and very slim pulse width, I get some good gas all below 1 amp.   830v peak to peak at tube +

kickback

You are welcome to jump in...Kickback.

I couldnt get the scr's i have here, to work.
Hope you have more luck.
If you have 1 amp consumption, then you must see gas. And then its propably normal electrolysis..sorry...
Steve
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2011, 00:05:47 am
hello Yaro
 i wasn't implying that he was producing enough gas to power the circuit. The circuit itself is consuming some power so the the current leekage across the cell is even less then 2.25 ma. To see any gas production at these low levels of current imput is impressive, atleast to me.
It leads me to believe that something else is going on here, not electrolysis! ;) 
 
Steve thanks for the circuit!
You are welcome, Dave.

You can play with every type of fets and diodes...no difficult stuff.

Steve
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2011, 00:33:30 am
Hi Tony and others,

Here some measurements:
coils: 6.5h each
tubecapacity: somewhere between 142 and 165nF, accoording to my meters.
resonance frequency: between the 980hz and 1khz...

Steve
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2011, 01:37:17 am
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Freq_Burst.png)
In the image above you see a cycling signal with a period of 3 seconds. This what Stan was doing, it came directly from Puharich's work. What is taking place is the frequencies below the resonant frequency (-fc) will polarize the molecule and rotate it to a particular angle (109'28") and the center frequency (fc) is when the PLL circuits VCO will equal VDD and at this resonant freq the water molecule will just fall apart.  Typically fc = 3980 hz.
 You can somewhat do this with the 8XA circuit. As the resonant frequency needs to be at the peak of the 120Hz wave. You can use FKS to do this by ANDing two close freqs, ie. 596hz AND 604hz. This will cause frequency scanning so to say. the freq range for this example would be something like 582hz - 618hz with fc = 600hz. Research "Frequency Burst".
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2011, 17:10:41 pm
Hi Steve
Do you measure 800vac accros water capacitor? ( ground point of probe to one plate wfc and hot point of probe of your oscyloscope to two plate of wfc?)
Do you connect earth to your circuit ( if yes to where?)
If you have 800Vac on the chokes what is voltage on water capacitor? We need high voltage on the water capacitor ( not on chokes or VIC)
thank for ansver
andy

The probe is not across the plates, but over the chokes.
Here is a picture of the scope when the probe is across the plates..
It al looks a bit like Puharich waveforms..


Steve

Thanks for ansver Steve!
It helped my. What is value of waveform's voltage when you measure it across the plates? Or how many V/div on the scope. Thank Steve
andy
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 18, 2011, 17:12:51 pm
Andy & Crazy,

the neg oprobe is put at neg line on amp meter after HV bridge, btw running at 1200hz - 2400hz....

  probes across the tubes show 70 volts

Crazy,  I'm dong just that, my step down toroids and now with my new iron powder EI core I'll test this theory further.  I've made it so I can switch out cores for tests.  Step downs always have made more gas for me.

Thank for ansver
andy
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2011, 17:16:49 pm
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Freq_Burst.png)
In the image above you see a cycling signal with a period of 3 seconds. This what Stan was doing, it came directly from Puharich's work. What is taking place is the frequencies below the resonant frequency (-fc) will polarize the molecule and rotate it to a particular angle (109'28") and the center frequency (fc) is when the PLL circuits VCO will equal VDD and at this resonant freq the water molecule will just fall apart.  Typically fc = 3980 hz.
 You can somewhat do this with the 8XA circuit. As the resonant frequency needs to be at the peak of the 120Hz wave. You can use FKS to do this by ANDing two close freqs, ie. 596hz AND 604hz. This will cause frequency scanning so to say. the freq range for this example would be something like 582hz - 618hz with fc = 600hz. Research "Frequency Burst".

Interesting, Tony.
Do you have such a setup working?
Have you seen any gas production, as Stan wrote in his patents? = hugh production with just volts.....

Regards
Steve
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 19, 2011, 18:03:27 pm
Yeah Steve,

I believe it to be electrolysis also, my cut and paste post part got mangled that talked about that.

btw,  I use a 12" 10 gauge wire to measure amps to tenths with a dmm and a dial 1-5 gauge.  How are you guys measuring amps accurately so low?  special equipment?   

I'd like to use the same method if possible.  danka

kb
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 20, 2011, 02:22:48 am
Steve,

Can you share the resistance value of your 4 henry chokes please, thanks kb
Title: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2011, 18:48:37 pm
Hi Steve,
Please take a second look at your circuit. I cannot get it to work. The output is AC?
Title: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2011, 03:17:38 am
Hi Steve,
Please take a second look at your circuit. I cannot get it to work. The output is AC?
bump.
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2011, 07:20:16 am
Hi Steve,
Please take a second look at your circuit. I cannot get it to work. The output is AC?
bump.

The circuit is right.
No ac output as the input is dc , rectified ac with a bridge rectifier.

Title: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 04, 2011, 07:40:42 am
Here is a rare Stan video explaining the Components of the Dune baggy.
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 04, 2011, 09:24:43 am
That's funny, the dutch voice you hear the first couple of minutes is of someone I know. He must have personally filmed this as he has personally visited him back in the 90's.

Nice video!
Title: Re: Steve's replication of Stan Meyer resonant HHO setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 04, 2011, 16:51:06 pm
That's funny, the dutch voice you hear the first couple of minutes is of someone I know. He must have personally filmed this as he has personally visited him back in the 90's.

Nice video!

Yes, Daobra. Thats the man i talked about and who gave me the video. It took some months before he could find it back....
We became good friends and trusty's.
 
Steve