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Electrolysis => Fuel Cells => Tube Cells => Topic started by: jbhuffinstuff on February 10, 2008, 05:15:54 am
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this is my cell started making it on tuesday insted of sticking rubber in between tube i drilled holes and put in teflon buttons finished assembly today would have picture of gas flow it started producing pretty good gas after about five minutes of messing with then it instantly surged my power supply and blew power supply and house breaker i think the diode blew but i didnt check yet tommrows another day
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Thats a very very nice cell setup, i am really honered to have you and your cell on my forum! ii couldn't blow them up because i'm on dialup, can you please make the pictures smaller in size, they're pretty big.
thanks.
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James,
looking create. Nice cell.
keep on going!
br
steve
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you can put them in paint shop and resize them to.... id really like to see them but your pictures is olmost 6MB in size. theres no way i can blow all of them up.
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i fixed your pictures, i think they look much better to!
welcome to the forum dude, your cell is really top of the line, i love the tube holders to! what is your cell gap?
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Nice looking cell. It looks like you are going for 'tuned' cell. Will it vibrate/ring when you hit it?
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Jb that cell is clean! i can tell by looking at it you've put alot of time into it, it's stunning to see people coming together here and posting their stuff, from what i see there's several people here with top of the line cells! Thanks again for your pictures it is much appreciated, i'm very honored for you even posting this here!!!
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Looks really good. What did you use to notch the top's of the outer pipes?
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notches are done with a bridgeport milling machine 1/4 wide x 1 1/4 deep
(http://www.p-h-s.co.uk/Bridgeport/mill.jpg)
Like this?
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Really sharp looking cell. I can't wait till I get my parts in, I guess when that next load of sunlight gets pumped in.
I have seen a lot of nice cells on this forum, And quite a bit of innovation, and hard work
Spike
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mines a little bigger but that would do it
holy cow can i come over and play? :D
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LOOKS GREAT TOPSY!!! ;D
Gives me some more motivation to work on mine.
Spike
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i like ur handcraft guys, nice detail`s and look like l000ts of HHO
they seem more and more like pice`s of art :o
Mr Browngass
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Cool! Man, I'm so close, I cant wait! Have you conditioned your tubes yet?
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Cool! Man, I'm so close, I cant wait! Have you conditioned your tubes yet?
Everybody must do what they do.
I didnt conditioned any of my tubes. As far as I can see, its a waist of time.
And my production is very good.
br
Steve
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James
Looks great!!
Have you tried to measure the gas ouput in liters per minute?
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Anybody have any ideas what kind of dc motor you could power the alt with? How many amps would the dc motor pull?
Tim
atleast 13 amps on freespin, its not the way to go.
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Cool! Man, I'm so close, I cant wait! Have you conditioned your tubes yet?
Everybody must do what they do.
I didnt conditioned any of my tubes. As far as I can see, its a waist of time.
And my production is very good.
br
Steve
I now agree steve
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I didn't condition my tubes either, And they seem to work fine.
Spike
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Aloha,
For your info, in case you don't already know- Cell Design is of primary importance.
Many are concerned with surface area but this is not of primary importance.
Many think that amps are important. Surface area and amps are relative.
Cell design is first. Too much surface area (or too little) can actually diminish production.
Same with amps, amps are not directly related to production.
For an example, you may wany to look at my project pages posted at oupower.com,
mrgalleria, Mr. G cell.
Flat plates have the disadvantage of electronically working against each other,
thus not providing a smooth flow of current.
Tubes have the disadvantage of having unequal surface areas.
Bill
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James, I'm a new builder and was curious where you obtained your teflon bumpers from? Do you have a part number or the manufacturers name that made them?
Your tubes electrical lugs/legs are a very clever 2 in 1 solution. How did you go about cutting them? Did you hand cut them with a metal bandsaw or mill them on the milling machine? I also assume you drilled the bolt holes while the tubes where still intact?
I also assume the curve on the legs would have to be flattened out before you made your 90 degree bend. How did you flatten that section? A Vise?
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sorry to say their is no part number for the teflon bumpers i made them all from scratch
the only thing i found close are furniture plugs from home depot but you would need a smaller gap than i have around 1mm or less
as for the legs i rought cut them out with a bandsaw to remove the bulk then cleaned them up with a milling machine
i did flatten them out buy using two pieces of 1 x 1 tool steel and squeezed it in a vise
then i took one piece of tool steel and ground a raidus on it clamped the tube the approprate way and bent it over
the radius is extremly important other wise the ss material will crack or tear in the corner with out the relief i would try a test piece
you have to drill the holes last otherwise it will break of when you bend the foot over
happy building
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Thanks for your quick response. Forgive me but I need to press you further. What did you fashion the bumpers from?
It looks like teflon / nylon drill rod? If so, did you spin the rod on the lathe, take half of the bumpers diameter down from say 1/4 to a hair over 1/8, then part them off into nice little " T " shaped pellets?
I assume you would make the bumpers a hair oversize of what you drilled the SS tubes so as to obtain a nice one time press fit? No loctite prism glue or anything like that holding the bumpers in place which could possibly contaminate the water right?
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Think I found a bumper solution....
I own an industrial supply shop in Manitoba Canada. I purchase from this company and think part number 305-002 (H dimension is 1.52mm) should suffice as my gap is exactly 1.52 mm by using .625OD x .065 wall x .495 ID (stainless inner tube) and .875 x .065 x .745 (stainless outer tube)
The other dimensions are nice too. 1/8 hole, grip range is good as well...woohoo!!
Here's the link... http://www.spaenaur.com/view_pdf.asp?Page=E46
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first video i have ever take so i can start a you tube channel this is nothing special just an alternator with some inductors and resistance added in in dont know the gas out put i havent measured it im waiting for an accurate flow meter gauge to work with on another hho project im doing http://www.youtube.com/dudleyengineering (http://www.youtube.com/dudleyengineering)
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dudleyengineering
I left you a rating, and a comment.
But the one question I have for you is. Is that straight tap water turning that reddish color? Or that just my screen. The first cell I built, Would turn brown. In no time. Even after I filtered the water, It stayed a little yellow. But I haven't seen red.
BTW beautiful O scope read out.
Spike
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the water is over 70 percent distilled and the rest tap water the redish stuff is definatly not minerals in the water and their are no additives cause i have filtered it so many times it cant be any left in it in fact i filter it 20 minitues before i took the video and i ran it just long enought to the wave form come back to a step charge i have made a set of caps that have tubes on the top of them so the exiting gas never mixes around in side the top of the water it seems like it dosent make the brown stuff when their on it i think the brown stuff has some thing to do with the electron itself with the cap with a plastic extension tube you wont get the resonant type wave form because the tubes dont seem to sync up i am now making the extension tubes out of stainless so it will ground thru the water and they will sync the only thing i have found that comes close to explaining the red stuff is in one of meyers canadian patents it shows the water molecule and in it their is a blob in the oxygen molecule it shows when the water splits the blob goes seperate from the oxygen and hydrogen then the electrons are reacting with it
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Oke, James!
Nice vid. So you used destilled. Is it possible to get the same results with tapwater?
Br
Steve
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Very nice video, i think using tap water with no additives should be the way because if your on the road and no distilled water is available and need to use tap water or river water it gives you different results so I'm trying to get as close as possible to what's out there.
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when that muck gets so thick i cant see anything inside is when it runs the best if i was to let it run about three more hours till the water gets real hot the muck reabsorbs then let it cool off and run it after the out put is alot higher to it works with tap water just as well just takes a few hours till it will hold the wave form thou i also found putting a restriction on the output end of the tube rasied my voltage and amperage in the gap and also increased the gas output plus makes the step charges crisper and go just a little higer i think the backpressure helps kinda like a tuned exhaust on a gas engine the smaller hole was better than a larger one these caps have a 1/8 hole but the presure blows them off some times 5/16 wasnt as good i think it is alot of gas for 5.5 inch tubes
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when that muck gets so thick i cant see anything inside is when it runs the best if i was to let it run about three more hours till the water gets real hot the muck reabsorbs then let it cool off and run it after the out put is alot higher to it works with tap water just as well just takes a few hours till it will hold the wave form thou i also found putting a restriction on the output end of the tube rasied my voltage and amperage in the gap and also increased the gas output plus makes the step charges crisper and go just a little higer i think the backpressure helps kinda like a tuned exhaust on a gas engine the smaller hole was better than a larger one these caps have a 1/8 hole but the presure blows them off some times 5/16 wasnt as good i think it is alot of gas for 5.5 inch tubes
if you leave it run for more hours you'll have a black muck and yes production get higher base on observation
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Bad to the bone cell James. Great Job!!
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Any of you guys bubble the gas through a sulphuric acid water bath, to measure the HYDROGEN output ??? Might y'all be making more water vapor and not more H&O ??? Just a question ???