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Stanley Meyer => Stanley Meyer => Thermal Injection => Topic started by: hydro on January 22, 2008, 12:11:22 pm

Title: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 12:11:22 pm
it has been found that a wfc connected to an injector from a 1996 dodge neon can can make water burn.

the hydroxy in the line connected to the injector contained a small amount of water, at first the water was a pure stream but as the water started to run out a fog appeared from the tip of the injector exiting from the 4 small pinholes in the tip of the injector.

a white misty cloud formed containing Hydroxy mixed with water mist. notes where taken on the hydroxy burn spurts from the injector without the use of water, it is clear the invisible mist was explosive but did not appear to burn only pop.

the added water in the hose from the later test showed that when the water was in a pure squirt form from the injector it puts the flame out. however, when the water started to run out the injector started to spit then mist a white hazy cloud into the air. the Cold water mist mixed with hydroxy at the injectors output "will" result in a flammable water mist.

now the question is, how do you get the right water mist mixed with hydroxy? stans car appeared to have a water pump inside his fuel cell on his dune buggy. i am thinking you run the hydroxy threw the bottom of a water tank while rapidly shaking the water into a bubble form, then feed to the injector. the injector will mist when the water is running out, or not pure. this leads me to believe you need bubbly water of some sort that has been mixed with hydroxy some how.

if you know of or find the video where he has a Motor hooked to a shaft which is going into his cell please post that picture. 

this is not found on the internet, this is test i have tested.

good day, OH, i really hope you save this information somewhere.
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 15:57:58 pm
Hi Hydro,

You had a productive day!
What i read between the lines is as follows:

The water in my wfc is completely foggy of the hydrogen and oxygen which is in there.
So, what you suggest, is to mix the gasmix from the top of the wfc with the water inside the wfc at the tip of the injector.

We better make a small wfc close to the injector.
Like the VIC container.
Hmmm let me think about this. What happens if you do electrolysis in a container completely filled with water.
Perhaps make it hot till it boils...watervapor. You get a mix of watervapor and hydroxy
You can add more power or less power to the electrodes to get the perfect mix



br
Steve
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 16:29:42 pm
from what i understand with the proper mix very little hydroxy is needed. the mist is very odd and crucial to get, i would like to look into a cool mist humidifier to see how they work and to see if they provide the mist i am looking for.

when you get the mist, you will know it! the water molecules appear to float in the air.
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 18:00:11 pm
Just few questions.

Is this external injector (i mean outside ICE)?

Second- how do you ignite the white mist? Using spark plug or other kind of flame?

And to make it more exact- you pump your injector with the misty water (on the top of the water fuel cell)?

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 18:38:21 pm
wow, thumbs up guys, this is huge, this all goes back to that video that stanley meyers made when he adjusted the carburetor and said he was adjusting the burn rate of the hydrogen.  i think if you pair this with some plasma spark technology to ignite this for sure in the cylendar,  this will be what we are all looking for. 
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 25, 2008, 09:30:05 am
Hydro

WOW! This is exciting!  :o
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2008, 04:10:31 am
hey hydro,
I forgot to mention.  I know that the injector that you are working on is out of a dodge neon, if you still do have this car, there is an easy way to adjust and tune for your engine.  you should check out megasquirt electronic fuel injection.  I believe that the neon's have the same 4cyl engine as the mitsubishi eclipses.  this is the 4g63 engine.  this is mitsubishi's most famous sports car engine.  but besides the history.  they have many aftermarket parts for this.  this Megasquirt computer may be pricy, but the tuning of your engine can be done completely through a laptop computer.  good luck again. 

Badnova
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 01, 2008, 03:40:32 am
I had also been thinking about misters.

If you add a pond mister to the top of your cell it should add a lot of water mist to the hho gas before it is added to the engine.

Here is a link to a pond mister. http://www.clearpond.com.au/go/our-products&prodID=8214&catID=225&subCatID=39&mode=productDetails

You can get it with a float so that it would float on the surface in a cell

Shodan
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 08, 2008, 07:01:12 am
Guys

This has been posted by Elektrik_1 today on the Waterfuel1978 yahoo forum:

"to E:I met John Penderville in Las Vegas at a local IHOP resturant
about two weeks ago. He developed and built the prototypes and the
revisions of the injectors(423da) and the water metering system(422da)
John has a vast background working in various high tech arenas
including disney imagineering, and several technology firms around the
world. He now practices law and is working on some high profile cases
in the LV area. Alot of the confusion on the injector operating system
has to do with the construction of the unit itself. If you read Pat13
dated 1991, and I observed the dates of these memos, the work on the
injector sytem did't start until 9-92, continuing until 5-94 when John
completed the last batch of injectors. From what I have determined,
The injectors are the safest method of splitting water as there is no
hydroxy exposed until the very last split second in the process. He
recirculated the steam (400 degree flash steam) and fed the exhaustt
gases thru a ion-enrichment device (you notice the coils at he top and
bottom of the laser light chamber?) He didnot use laser diodes, he
used bright leds to saturate the steam gases with protons, covering
both bases by blanketing both ions and protons stripped from the water
mols reformed after the burn process. As stan theorized, If released
into the atmosphere, this would be a natural process. What he
failed(maybe purposely )to mention was that he recirculated steam over
and over to run the dune buggy. I hope to prove this soon as I am
making contact to retrieve the buggy and the related lab equipment. I
am currently setting up tooling and equipment to test the injectors
the way john built them. I should have some working units post
haste.The way this design is, you don,t even need a compression cycle
any ideas?Artinvegas. ."
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 09, 2008, 14:27:20 pm
Guys

Guess what!
After he had been silent for many months, s1r9a9m9 suddenly posted the following today on the watefuel 1978 forum:

The relay I used has two sets of coils and resisters in them. The
same thing can be made by blocking the currents from the plug wire
from going into the inverter and blocking the current from the
inverter going to the plug wire, but leaving an open loop for both
at the plug by grounding the inverter at the plug base and no where
else on the vehicle.

The inverter has a constant current going to the plug except when
the distrubitor sends fire through the plug wire. The inverter needs
to be blocked only for the time it takes the plug to fire from the
distrubitor, and the same for the distrubitor blocked from the
inverter.

What goes on with the plug tip? well the inverter sends a current
to the tip where there is water , the plug tip now has a magnetic
field around it when the plug is fired from the distrubitor the
field is incressed and the extra amps causes a arc to form in the
clyender that expands the water as like a lighting bolt would. You
can expand water but you cant compress it. Yes if to much water is
in the cylender it will lock the engine. Thats why the timeing is
set after TDC .

Gas will not burn, gas vapor will burn. A carberator is designed
to vaporize gas as it inters the intake manifold under a vacummn.
Water will become partly vaporized and the rest is used to incress
the compression in the clyender. A fuel injecter sprays a mist of
fluid not vapor. It will partly vaporize in the clyender before the
plug fires. That is why cars with carbs and cars with injecters have
defferent time even for the same size engines. There is a few
degrees defferents in them.

The relays I used did not have any numbers or names or any marking
on them at all. The parts I found that would work cost $600.00(US)
for each clyender, and I was ask not to give out that info becaused
of what they were used for. Home Land Secuirty Issue's. I dont
ask , I dont tell. Plus how many people would spend their rent
money for the parts. None of this can be patented and sold.

I hpoe this will help others finish their projects.

And as I have said before , Dont stop other projects you are working
on just to try this , it took me two years before I got it right.

Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 11, 2008, 04:50:54 am
what is that a bink or debelvouse? LOL, anyway, i dont think that will work, the good part of that mist is about a foot away from the gun, you need to be able to mix the hydrogen into the mist as it comes out.
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 11, 2008, 06:16:54 am
to tell you the truth alot of findings is made by mistake, you should try hydrogen in that gun with water, who knows you could stumble onto something???
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 11, 2008, 09:05:15 am
HYDRO

I've used this gun before, To burn fuel oil with steam. And once the steam is turned on,  The flame is outstanding. It goes from yellow orange to blue white. maybe it can give you some ideas.

This is my first post, And I'm still gathering supplies, but I'll keep you posted.

Hope this helps
Spike
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 12, 2008, 04:41:12 am
this may get interesting!
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 12, 2008, 20:13:21 pm

The way this design is, you don,t even need a compression cycle
any ideas?Artinvegas. ."


I dont understand how he can say you wouldent need a compression stroke.
The mixture will be more combustable at 9x (9:1 compression ratio) the atmospheric pressure
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2008, 13:47:25 pm
Any news yet?
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 26, 2008, 07:02:29 am
this is a youtube link I thought you all, might find interesting!

Spike

Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 26, 2008, 16:50:32 pm
this is a youtube link I thought you all, might find interesting!

Spike


Wanna see it working... But still, an impressive piece he made there.  I'd curious what the little tip part on the business end of the injector is made of.
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 15, 2008, 18:33:54 pm
i really confused, i just seen water burn again...

Hrmmmmmm
Title: Re: 2008 water burns baby!
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 15, 2008, 20:16:31 pm
i really confused, i just seen water burn again...

Hrmmmmmm

How many beers?   ;)
Can you make a vid of it, Riddler?

br
steve