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Electrolysis => Electrolysis => Other => Topic started by: hydro on January 21, 2008, 09:16:48 am

Title: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 21, 2008, 09:16:48 am
here is a new birth, the circuit is untested and thrown together.

you can perform a small test, hook your cell to the mot while holding both wires in your hand, then unhook the cell from the mot while still holding the mots secondary wires in your hands. you will feel a not to nasty shock.

hook a led to your wfc, notice what happens.
hook a led to your mots output in the proper direction, then arc your cell to the terminals then release, notice what happens.

the MOT SHOULD NEVER EVER BE HOOKED TO THE WALL OUTLET, this circuit Does not use ANY external power and is untested.

for best results perform electrolysis with a 12 volt battery.

again, this circuit is untested.

Warning, when using mots you only get to make one mistake before your dead, THE MOT IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANY SORT OF EXTERNAL POWER EVER
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 03:17:07 am
It has been confirmed that you can extract more electricity from the device hooked to the fuel cell than you can extract from the fuel cell itself! !

more energy was produced from the device the cell was hooked to than the cell itself was capable of producing. the produced electricity should be redirected back into the fuel cell from the electron extraction device to fuel the fuel cell even more.

Test proves and shows that an infinite amount of resonation between the device and the cell is possible in this world.

the above circuit is the analog Beta circuit and was not used during testing allthough it functioned in the same manenr as the circuit above, the mot coil was used for this test. 
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 04:05:50 am
it has been 1 hour 8 mins and the led is getting dimmer.
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 04:48:45 am
it has been almost 2 hours and still the way it was when i last replied, this could go on all nite?
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 09:59:10 am
Hi hydrocars,

Can you perform a test with this new setup that you charge thw wfc big time and see what you get out the led or lightbulb?

br
steve
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2008, 11:01:03 am
thats what i did stevo,, charged the cell then let it power the bulb.
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 23, 2008, 14:07:13 pm
thats what i did stevo,, charged the cell then let it power the bulb.

Ok, this could be major!
Meaning, we put power in and in the pulse off time we take some power out and re-use it!!!!
People, lets go. This it!

br
steve
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 23, 2008, 22:09:17 pm
Today I confirmed the results of Hydro
It means that a Led was light from the WFC.
You need a coil to do so.

I have to think really deap about this thing.
What did Stan the man called his chokes?
A resonant CHARGING choke?

br
steve
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 24, 2008, 12:34:20 pm
and yet another example for you guys.
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 24, 2008, 12:47:06 pm
Hydro

Attached schematic is part of the High Voltage power supply plans of Creative Science and Research www.fuelless.com

Regards

Wouter
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2008, 08:15:14 am
Hi  :)

nice work hydro, could try applying pulses to a length of aluminum wire (ace carries it, clothesline wire)
 in the pic i have a 40 watt bulb being lit, albeit dimly,  using a fet and 555 it captures the emf more
 effectively than all of the materials I have used (copper, iron)  each coil has it,s resonance and this coil
 is short, I,ll guess that a longer one will have "bigger" capture of the spike.

Edit: I,m using a 12 volt battery as the power supply
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2008, 11:48:33 am
your post is a little confusing. when you said you used a 12 volt power supply did this mean you used that to drive the fet, or did you use that to replace the wfc?

let me get this straight, you are using the back emf from a fuel cell like i have in the picture?

thanks genx, i will look into that wire, what is ace? maybe the ladie will know.
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 27, 2008, 19:28:34 pm
Hi Hydro

It,s just a straight hookup to the battery, I guess the point of the post is the aluminum wire has the best
 kickback potential, I haven,t tried bifilar yet.  I couldn,t find a place to put the post so I stuck it here, if you
 have a better spot than point me to it and i,ll put it there.

thanks for the site
X

Edit: Ace hardware
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 01, 2008, 22:58:34 pm
Hydro

Attached schematic is part of the High Voltage power supply plans of Creative Science and Research www.fuelless.com

Regards

Wouter

Ok,

Today i tested this schematic.
It was part of a series of tests, just to see what Back EMF can do for any good here.
It was also because I saw some videos that put me on some thinking paths.

Test equipment:
555 timer with a very low frequency (1 till 20 Hz)
1 dpdt relais
1 solid state relais
normal LEDs
1 MOT (trafo from microwave)
And many other coils from personal collection.... ;)
Of course, my scopes and multimeters

My results are :
The test described by Wouter's message is correct. You can add BEMF into a capacitor.
Its scarry to see the voltage go to levels beyond the level of my battery....
From a 12V battery to 140V into my test capacitor.
That was a great test!
I also tried to discharge the capacitor into a very little test cell....
I am sorry to say that really nothing happened...LOL
Maybe the frequency of charging and discharging was tooooooo low. (every 20 seconds)

Hydros test:
The test with the schematic of Hydrocars also works. I can see a LED burning almost constantly.
However, I must say that I was hoping for more electrons to take out of the WFC.
I think the reason was as follows:
I saw some very very high voltage peaks on my scope. Hundreds of volts!
After a discussion with our master chief HYdrocars, we where from opinion that the BEMF was the reason of these peaks and that my relais between the coil and wfc was TOO SLOW.
If my relais reaction was quicker, I should not see the high peaks, because of the resistance of the WfC.
The BEMF was gone before it could hit my WFC.
Hmmmmmmm, that was nice and not nice. So, and old tyoe relais is too slow.
I also have now 2 Solid state relais in my collection.
As soon as i am more familiar with these kind of relais, I will do this test again , if necessary.

Every body the best with testing.
Till next update!

br
Steve
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 02, 2008, 11:52:45 am
i hooked the cell to the primary side of the mot and the output was great!!!! allthough it would not light a floresent light you could still see deadly blue sparks. in this setup the fet made it possible for the wfc to run the trafo. i did try to put the tranfos output back into its input, it did resonate and slowly die, i think the problem with it not resonating to infinity or something is due to the SS tubes, i think they should be nickel coated before it will work.

to bad im not taking any further, right now i have other fish to fry.
Title: Re: Self Resonate Wfc
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 24, 2008, 22:09:57 pm
The problem with SS relays is that there is some amount of leakage current so they are rarely completely off. In addition, they are voltage limited so if you've got really high voltage transients, they will probably short out fairly soon depending on their voltage rating.