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Title: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2010, 11:43:28 am
Hi,


As promised to Sebosfato, i show you all here my new baby.
She is single and filled with destilled water... ;)

The measurements in a dry situation are:
R= NON
C=10pF

The measurements in a wet situation are:
R=3.5kohm
C=200nF

Now of course the trick to use these data to create a LCR resonance step up charging waterfuelcell system.
All input is welcome!!! :D

Steve
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2010, 14:27:03 pm
didn't you do that many times already?  ???
Title: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2010, 16:13:27 pm
Yes, of course. But every day i learn and sometimes i ll get new info....
Title: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2010, 18:36:06 pm
Yes, of course. But every day i learn and sometimes i ll get new info....

So what do you want to try here?
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2010, 19:13:55 pm
Hello steve


Nice Measurement... =)


I think the capacitance is a little bit too high, so I would stay with the calculated value for the specific cell size. might have read this value because 3,5kohm is very different than several mega ohms on everyday capacitors...


I found that if you = Xc and Re you will have the same frequency... So i guess we might get the inductance value from the Re and the frequency related to Re and C...


I found analyzing very well that the resonant charging chokes was wound in the same core and stan used the same length of wire for both because they will be connected as a common choke thus its inductance shaw be = 0 or close to  They serves to catch the collapsed field reversed current and use as kickback voltage to further charge the cell... I still need to think about the winding capacitances... However the resistance of the coil is important as stan said, because an inductive discharge will discharge faster in a high resistance path rather than small one because to discharge all the energy converting it to current you will have back emf over and over again... So the LR discharge equation show T=L/R different from capacitance witch is T=C*R... thats why, the speed of the kick back discharge will depend on the resistance of the wire and also water.. .


The secondary should resonate with the capacitor in the end of the history...
 
The diode has many tasks and should be hyper fast.


What water you used steve? Demineralized or distilled?


I have good news


I believe that i fully understood the schematic proposed by the guy from sri-lanka


Is very easy the timer is only hiding the 5 pin and than the rx is the cell... the resistors net is just a 22,5ohm 60W resistor and the 2n2222 with zener under is the voltage regulator for the 555 timer, i'm trying to find the transistors equivalents and when i have some money to buy the transformer and heat sinks and transistors capacitors and wire ...  i will try it too ... For now i will keep on what i have in my hands except that i'm going to also build with some parts i have here a pulse width variable from 0 up 100% frequency generator with range from 1 to 50khz 
 
well is all for now


Best Regards
Fabio
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2010, 21:52:19 pm
Hello steve


Nice Measurement... =)


I think the capacitance is a little bit too high, so I would stay with the calculated value for the specific cell size. might have read this value because 3,5kohm is very different than several mega ohms on everyday capacitors...


I found that if you = Xc and Re you will have the same frequency... So i guess we might get the inductance value from the Re and the frequency related to Re and C...


I found analyzing very well that the resonant charging chokes was wound in the same core and stan used the same length of wire for both because they will be connected as a common choke thus its inductance shaw be = 0 or close to  They serves to catch the collapsed field reversed current and use as kickback voltage to further charge the cell... I still need to think about the winding capacitances... However the resistance of the coil is important as stan said, because an inductive discharge will discharge faster in a high resistance path rather than small one because to discharge all the energy converting it to current you will have back emf over and over again... So the LR discharge equation show T=L/R different from capacitance witch is T=C*R... thats why, the speed of the kick back discharge will depend on the resistance of the wire and also water.. .


The secondary should resonate with the capacitor in the end of the history...
 
The diode has many tasks and should be hyper fast.


What water you used steve? Demineralized or distilled?


I have good news


I believe that i fully understood the schematic proposed by the guy from sri-lanka


Is very easy the timer is only hiding the 5 pin and than the rx is the cell... the resistors net is just a 22,5ohm 60W resistor and the 2n2222 with zener under is the voltage regulator for the 555 timer, i'm trying to find the transistors equivalents and when i have some money to buy the transformer and heat sinks and transistors capacitors and wire ...  i will try it too ... For now i will keep on what i have in my hands except that i'm going to also build with some parts i have here a pulse width variable from 0 up 100% frequency generator with range from 1 to 50khz 
 
well is all for now


Best Regards
Fabio

Fabio,

I already done the research on the Srilanka schematic.
I have attached it for you.
I must mention that Electrojolt and I had some discussion on the diodes.
So, this schematic is not perfect, yet.
I used destilled water in my test, btw.

@Yaro
I want to prove here that a watertubeset can be charged in a matter that the voltage across the watercap is higher then the voltage of the powersupply output...
Then tune the voltage up til a level of more then 1500V....

Steve
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2010, 22:46:21 pm
cool


i spend all night thinking about this and i was arrived in the same schematic... =)


Just did some tests here i got the resonance but the water was not clear enough, got 50vdc across the water and very few bubbles, i got four 600v60a diodes burned somehow and so it was not developing dc ...


my secondary have about 600 turns and primary 30 and the bifilar coil 152uh the big green one that was in my video...  i'm using 12v 2 amps


at +- 33khz the frequency thn double and become 66khz


secondary is 21mh
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2010, 00:00:21 am
Strangely rain water get up to 35v few bubbles ... the resistance of my coil is 50ohm (i didn't changed the water for ultra pure yet..
I'm thinking that know i just need to add thiner wire as to have more resistance to be able to allow the water cavity to oscillate more...


I now have to make the same tests with the flyback core and the EE core...


Tomorrow i will buy more wire and will try to find some ss wire...


I need some antenna ferrite beads... i believe with that i could have more turns (more resistance) for the same inductance...


I'm very excited but very lazy too hehe


However i'm happy that now my theories are working ...





Title: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2010, 00:19:04 am
Well Steve, if it is Dan Dear..'s circuit then I am all for it.
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2010, 17:32:57 pm
Hello


What you think about this???
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2010, 18:26:31 pm
With the knowledge i gained over the last years i'm now pretty sure that you cannot get decent voltage to the water tubes.


What works:
1. Doubling the pulse with the bifilar coil
2. Limit current thanks to the coil


What does not work:
1. Capacitive behavior of the tubes ("water cap") cannot be achieved with regular water, only with insulation or distilled water
-> If capacitive behavior is achieved, no overunity gas-production
-> If normal water is used, the water 'cap' will only be a resistor and therefore no resonant frequency for the system (only the coil alone) will be found. because of the current restriction the electrolysis gas production will be very low.


I don't think it's possible to create gas by voltage anymore, even a resonant circuit is not achieved without an extra cap, and even if there would not be a gain of gas for the same power.
Title: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2010, 18:35:49 pm


I don't think it's possible to create gas by voltage anymore, even a resonant circuit is not achieved without an extra cap, and even if there would not be a gain of gas for the same power.
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Spot on Bro.
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2010, 18:43:00 pm
i would like to see someone that has a sealed set up do some resistance readings while adding air pressure to their cell via air compressor or compressed gas like co2.. i want to see if the pressure creates a density compaction that changes resistance..
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2010, 18:54:42 pm
Hi haitar


I haven't believed for long time that voltage break the water however, now i do. And for me is the only way.


I believe that any water can be used you just need to create the right coils and input circuit for it...


Meyer clearly stated that the water capacitor have a specific resonant frequency... You just need to supply it with the right impedance and frequency to allow the molecules to oscillate... If your source impedance is lower than the water impedance you will nor be able to cause oscillation... thats because the damping factor will be bigger than 1, just like its designed for speakers (they don't want the speakers to freely oscillate) so the damping factor is designed to be as high as possible by having a low impedance or series resistance source... The damping factor is the opposite of Q factor, and this is main principle behind this resonance witch meyer tAlk about...


I did many research on high Q factor coils and have also spent lots lots money constructing coils with thick wire because i was not understanding that it is not about rlc resonance but RC and that when you discharge an inductor into a low resistance you let flow the amps, instead if you discharge into a high resistance very high voltage will be developed at low current and the most important in very very short period...


Or better


I discovered also that energy will discharge much faster into a high resistance (at high voltage low amps), or better the energy accumulated into an inductor can be discharged much faster than it took to charge the inductor, thus you can concentrate the pulse amplifying the energy of the pulse... If you discharge this same energy into a low resistance you will have high amps and low volts thus the energy will take long time to discharge... Time constant= L/R 


A capacitor time constant instead works different as  Time constant= C*R   thus the lower the resistance the faster the cap energy will discharge...


Thus i believe is just a matter of hard work to develop this. If i could have a good oscilloscope my like would be very easier.. But i still believe that i can make it work even without one. I just need to buy more diodes and wire wire wire and cores and make lots of tests...


The main problem is that i don't have any help to build the circuits and inductors transformers, low budget.. and i do not have even company so i use to get bored and distracted frequently...

@Outlawstc


Could make some difference yes...


but if you add pressure with co2 you will force it to dissolve into the water and it will make water acid... thus conductive...
If air is added maybe the nitrogen will be dissolved but don't know how this could affect...
However pressure could make some difference and a closed cell would be the best to keep the water uncontaminated, i would also add a recirculating pump that force the water to be filtered with osmose reverse...
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2010, 19:44:27 pm
the reason im thinking about it is with stans first run of the car video he said 13. some odd psi and 5 volts to the alternator.. he said to raise production you up voltage.. upping voltage will not only raise electrical potential but also pressure potential.. more production = more expansion = more pressure.. so if resistance does change with pressure.. it will allow for higher resistance at higher production.. not only that but if you look at stans cell in that same video the water is saturated with micro bubbles.. i would consider them higher density disolved gasses .. there not disolved really but they are still proportioned in the contained water.. if it looks like that outside the cell then between the tubes should be the same... gases that are in the water will also up resistance?  if they gasses are in the voltage zone??? 
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2010, 21:13:10 pm
You made A good point...


The bubbles will reduce the effective amount of water between the tubes thus its resistance and the capacitance values... I guess the capacitance will be smaller and resistance greater proportionally... Than if so, the frequency should not change much... only the impedance would change...


interesting...


Pressure could help preventing this bubbles to come out of the water helping too.


I noticed that the voltage on my cell here with rain water take some few seconds to raise... 



Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2010, 23:32:24 pm
I was thinking about the ferritic wire and i realized something


Stan say 60uohms per centimeter witch would totalize 6ohm per kilometer http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)


If was copper wire witch is not resistive would be +- 13awg or 1,8mm diameter... however is stainless steel witch is maybe 10 times less conductive than copper... This would be very thick wire... Do you agree?


Than i found the principle behind the electron bounce phenomenon, its all about the ability of the ferritic wire to become permanently magnetized, this perform a function of magnetic resistor... So the wire is not thin to create this resistance otherwise current would be restricted by ohmic resistance thus dissipating heat... The magnetic resistor restrict the amps by creating a reactance like effect... Stan was a genius.. Its generally used for sensing, siemens have sensors using this principle...


You could use a permanent magnet to restrict the current as to be able to tune this resistance too...


You all should read all the tech brief again. And once again if possible.   


Every thing this man said was true.


I have tried last year a this thing about approaching a magnet to the transformer while i was using a kind of steel wire I had and I got really higher voltage and less amps just like but in a different way to the way I showed in the video... However I commented this and was told by others that i was ridiculous .. in the energetic forum i guess... I than got the transformer destructed during a resonance that i achieved, the transformer became flash light blue like a neon lamp and after some seconds started to burn...  All the turns was blue... Thus i lost all the wire because it went destructed... I found a good supplier for ferritic wire here and tomorrow i will go there and he will give some for free... =)


I spoke to My neighbor today and he has an old oscilloscope 5Mhz and he will borrow it to me if it still working, the only problem is that it still don't see dc voltage because its capacitive coupled. Cool however...


Stan say somewhere that the amp inhibiting coil have its own inductance core... when talking about the sync pulse schematic i guess



I would like to know from you that have english as mother tong what exactly you understand by this:


axially (spiralled) Bifilar wound about core bobbin (502), forming individual spiral-wrap (inner to outer circumference and being equally-length) coils (501a xxx 501n) electrically connected in sequencial order to form resistive pickup coil (503).


???



more to come...




Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 01, 2010, 00:18:00 am
I read that he used multiple pancake like coils in serie on 1 core...
You see them in his documents, very often, Fabio.

Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 01, 2010, 00:41:48 am
Yeah i know, Is just that re reading axially bifilar, inner to outer .... it made me think about what is the best way to wind up like this...
 
In the drawing he show this inner to outer coil as being magnet wire... and the thin wire as resistive choke


in the book he states that this drawing is not correct in the sense that is not complete, the energy don't get into it by the wire terminals... with the circles...


what about the ss wire 60uohm centimeter ? what do you think steve?
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 01, 2010, 01:05:18 am
I remember Stan saying that you can make his circuit work with or without SS wire.......
He just mentioned it, because of patent protection.

So, simple plain emailled copperwire must be able to do the trick...
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 01, 2010, 01:16:55 am
yes i think it can work too but i believe that the fact is that its not only about ohmic resistance but impedance Z caused by magnetic flux not self inductance also for the copper causing skin effect... SS wire would need many times less turns however..  well i don't know... will try and than i tell you=)

This phenomenon of transferring voltage waveforms along an electrical conductive surface is known in the field of physics as the Skin Effect.

thanks





Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2010, 00:25:01 am
Have you ever read this?


http://www.scribd.com/doc/28026598/Hydrogen-Phisics-69
Title: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 01, 2010, 23:21:31 pm
Now here is something simple we can replicate.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6637-electrolysis-accelerator.html
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2010, 03:47:17 am
You guys, The afore mentioned link to the energetic forum is not an avalanche effect. He has his terminalogy mixed up...
Google the avalanche effect it has to do with voltage overloads.
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2010, 23:45:18 pm
Its interesting to see what happend in that testsetup of Mookie.
AC magnet and magnetic SS....
 
Are you gonna try this?
 
Steve
Title: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 01:09:37 am
Well, it seems simple enough to try if you have the parts. We do not  know what is occurring so he can give it any name. There sure was a lot of bubbles in a few seconds.
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 12:06:32 pm
Here my results of replicating Mookie's setup...
Work is still in progress, but the pics and video show interesting things.
 
Pic one is electrolysis without magnetic field.
Pc 2 is results of using magneticc field.
Power to the plates was exact te same.
Watch the video!
 

 
Steve
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 14:02:45 pm
Wow is a big difference. I'm online...


Do you have how to determine liters per minute?  And input power ( including power factor ) right? 


Lets make some calculations to determine if is ou..


Thanks steve


BEst regards
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 14:52:36 pm
Thanks Steve
Looking forward to more of your input!!
Chet
Title: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 16:44:21 pm
Are you pulsing the magnetic field? Are your plates shaking?
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 16:47:56 pm
if using a magnetic field around the cell improves production... take a look again at Stans stacked resonant cavities and gas processor, the VIC is wrapped around the tube, so the magnetic field is inside the water/gas cavity as well

very interesting concept, i haven't watched your video yet, but i will when i get home.
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 16:58:39 pm
Interesting procedure Steve.

let me paint the canvas a bit..

use of a "static field" within exciters + use of "non stationary" oscillating exciter
=  mechanical forced pressure waves of water impacting static non stationary field.

the pressure wave is the change in value of fluid pressure due to the back and forth motion of a non stationary static charged exciter..



Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 18:17:05 pm
I can comment on the video, but not too much.
I made a promise to a certain person and i have to ask him permission before to give all details.

The Plates are SS430
Power to the plates: 5v by 1.3amps
AC magnetic field.
Tapwater with a drop of NAOH

Thats what Mookie said and thats what it is..


regards
Steve
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 18:19:01 pm
Are you pulsing the magnetic field? Are your plates shaking?

Yes and yes
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 18:37:59 pm
if using a magnetic field around the cell improves production... take a look again at Stans stacked resonant cavities and gas processor, the VIC is wrapped around the tube, so the magnetic field is inside the water/gas cavity as well

very interesting concept, i haven't watched your video yet, but i will when i get home.

Yes, i agree on this. Stan must have figure that out as well.
Don, dont forget to watch the video a couple of times. See how the water starts flowing.
That has nothing to do with vibes.....
 
Its really interesting.
 
Steve
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 18:43:12 pm
Interesting procedure Steve.

let me paint the canvas a bit..

use of a "static field" within exciters + use of "non stationary" oscillating exciter
=  mechanical forced pressure waves of water impacting static non stationary field.

the pressure wave is the change in value of fluid pressure due to the back and forth motion of a non stationary static charged exciter..

Your way of putting things on the canvas are always of a special kind, Outlaw   ;)
 
This concept of Mookie was something that was on my mind for years.
Have you never asked yourself, that if water is a conductor, if must also have all propertys of an inductor?
 
We use only have of the power of the charge, if we use only volts and amps.
The other half is the magnetic field that is always there in a 90 degree angle...
 
Use both and you have a winner...
 
 
Steve
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 18:51:52 pm
I also got this on my mind long time too... you know...


hehe


Nice thought


now you should try to achieve the resonance ever increasing the voltage...


i propose this
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 18:56:54 pm
The movement of the charged particles get opposed by the density of the liquid creating a quadrupole on the molecules-- =)  making the bound weak



I believe


 
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 19:19:09 pm
Thank you for the Data Steve
Whenever I quote you I will always post a link from the source [If the forum I am on allows it]
If You do not want or allow Open source
 
Deny me access ,as I cannot help myself!
 I have only looked here !
Thank you again
Chet kremens @gmail.com
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 20:28:55 pm
Thank you for the Data Steve
Whenever I quote you I will always post a link from the source [If the forum I am on allows it]
If You do not want or allow Open source
 
Deny me access ,as I cannot help myself!
 I have only looked here !
Thank you again
Chet kremens @gmail.com

Hi Chat,
 
Everything here is done to support open source.
Go and publish any link you like.
 
Steve
 
 
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 21:30:06 pm
I did some cross reading over most forums and some suggested that the gas of this system is not H, but just an air  bubble.
 
Well....IT IS HYDROGEN GAS.  :o
My ear is def on the leftside now....
 
Wanna convince yourselfs?
Watch my last video of this day. I am tired and i certainly need a Glenfiddisch..
 
Steve
 
 
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 22:02:41 pm
Steve
You are the man
Can't wait to see that!!
Thanks Bud!!
Chet
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 04, 2010, 02:57:31 am
I did some cross reading over most forums and some suggested that the gas of this system is not H, but just an air  bubble.
 
Well....IT IS HYDROGEN GAS.  :o
My ear is def on the leftside now....
 
Wanna convince yourselfs?
Watch my last video of this day. I am tired and i certainly need a Glenfiddisch..
 
Steve
Thank you Steve for taking the video of your setup.  Very interesting test results. The video sound did not pick up or get the really load "pop/bang" that the balloon testers show with the loud "bang" when igniting a balloon filled with HHO gas.  Good to see the ignition of the small bubble that proves it is HHO gas and not just air.


In your electrodes setup I see the 2 electrodes in the bucket that looked like 1.5" gap space between the 2 plates?  That is pretty wide spacing.  Have you tried smaller gap spacing between plates, like 1/4" or 1/8"?   There is 10X more efficiency and less amps required when the electrode plates are as close as possible.  You might also find more magnetic reaction with closer spaced plates that are both closer and in the fields of the electromagnets like Mookie showed.  


It looks like the stator EM is near the side of the bucket. Mookie says the end of the plates plates with the spacing should be facing into the EM.  In your setup it looks like your plates wide sides are parallel to the EM, 90 degrees different from Mookies setup.   



Looking forward to your experiments, keep up the good work!
Mike
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 04, 2010, 04:47:08 am
Here is Mookies photo of how to align the plate ends to the face of the electromagnet.  Also note the spacing of the plates are 1/8" wide so little current is used and more of the plates are in the magnetic field.
Mike


(http://www.energeticforum.com/attachments/renewable-energy/6762d1288555930-electrolysis-accelerator-electromagnet-electrode-alignment-600-x-450-.jpg)
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 04, 2010, 13:38:00 pm
I did some cross reading over most forums and some suggested that the gas of this system is not H, but just an air  bubble.
 
Well....IT IS HYDROGEN GAS.  :o
My ear is def on the leftside now....
 
Wanna convince yourselfs?
Watch my last video of this day. I am tired and i certainly need a Glenfiddisch..
 
Steve
Thank you Steve for taking the video of your setup.  Very interesting test results. The video sound did not pick up or get the really load "pop/bang" that the balloon testers show with the loud "bang" when igniting a balloon filled with HHO gas.  Good to see the ignition of the small bubble that proves it is HHO gas and not just air.


In your electrodes setup I see the 2 electrodes in the bucket that looked like 1.5" gap space between the 2 plates?  That is pretty wide spacing.  Have you tried smaller gap spacing between plates, like 1/4" or 1/8"?   There is 10X more efficiency and less amps required when the electrode plates are as close as possible.  You might also find more magnetic reaction with closer spaced plates that are both closer and in the fields of the electromagnets like Mookie showed. 


It looks like the stator EM is near the side of the bucket. Mookie says the end of the plates plates with the spacing should be facing into the EM.  In your setup it looks like your plates wide sides are parallel to the EM, 90 degrees different from Mookies setup.   



Looking forward to your experiments, keep up the good work!
Mike

Hi Vrand,
 
 
Thanks for the complements.
 
This setup with the pretty hugh space between the electrodes is just for proving a point. And it worked well. This way we all can observe the effects.
I am still experimenting on angles and see what will work best. For sure it is important to stay as close as possible to the magfield.
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 04, 2010, 20:06:47 pm
Steve
Wow HHo is what you fellows do around here!!
 
Can you make a suggestion for new comers ?  a simple design /circuit Specifically geared towards playing with Mookies Magnetolysis setup.
 
It is my intention to build, document, take photos and vids of all,
And share all Open source! 
 
I would like to share your knowledge of this to others as well
and of course will always attach a link to your work  whenever I use it.
 
Quick boneyard question do you think an Ac magnetic clutch from a car ac unit would yield any observable effects? I'd like to play In the round!
or NG it has to be an alternating current electro magnet.
 
Sorry to bother you bud .
Chet
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 05, 2010, 22:56:15 pm
I did some cross reading over most forums and some suggested that the gas of this system is not H, but just an air  bubble.
 
Well....IT IS HYDROGEN GAS.  :o
My ear is def on the leftside now....
 
Wanna convince yourselfs?
Watch my last video of this day. I am tired and i certainly need a Glenfiddisch..
 
Steve
Thank you Steve for taking the video of your setup.  Very interesting test results. The video sound did not pick up or get the really load "pop/bang" that the balloon testers show with the loud "bang" when igniting a balloon filled with HHO gas.  Good to see the ignition of the small bubble that proves it is HHO gas and not just air.


In your electrodes setup I see the 2 electrodes in the bucket that looked like 1.5" gap space between the 2 plates?  That is pretty wide spacing.  Have you tried smaller gap spacing between plates, like 1/4" or 1/8"?   There is 10X more efficiency and less amps required when the electrode plates are as close as possible.  You might also find more magnetic reaction with closer spaced plates that are both closer and in the fields of the electromagnets like Mookie showed.  


It looks like the stator EM is near the side of the bucket. Mookie says the end of the plates plates with the spacing should be facing into the EM.  In your setup it looks like your plates wide sides are parallel to the EM, 90 degrees different from Mookies setup.  



Looking forward to your experiments, keep up the good work!
Mike
 
Hi Vrand,
 
 
Thanks for the complements.
 
This setup with the pretty hugh space between the electrodes is just for proving a point. And it worked well. This way we all can observe the effects.
I am still experimenting on angles and see what will work best. For sure it is important to stay as close as possible to the magfield.
Thank you Steve for continuing to research his interesting design and sharing your results.  I also will do so with my Mookie experiments in the coming weeks.
Mike

Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 09, 2010, 21:33:38 pm

Here is my effort at replicating Mookie's experiment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6OIcjNl66E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6OIcjNl66E)


12V, 6A. The electromagnet was set at 70V and it pulled 0.66 amps.


I used six 4 inch pizza cutters I bought from The Dollar store.



My observations:
The higher the amp draw the better the production.
I won't call it an avalanche. Accelerated production is a better term.
The container wall has to be thin. I tried a 3/8 " thick Plexiglass and it did not work.
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 09, 2010, 22:31:11 pm
"This video is private."
Is the error message on youtube.
Mike



Here is my effort at replicating Mookie's experiment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6OIcjNl66E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6OIcjNl66E)


12V, 6A. The electromagnet was set at 70V and it pulled 0.66 amps.


I used six 4 inch pizza cutters I bought from The Dollar store.



My observations:
The higher the amp draw the better the production.
I won't call it an avalanche. Accelerated production is a better term.
The container wall has to be thin. I tried a 3/8 " thick Plexiglass and it did not work.
Title: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 09, 2010, 23:18:07 pm
It is fixed.


Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 10, 2010, 00:16:37 am
Yaro
Thanks for sharing your research into this,
I tried to view your Vid ,still comes up "private"
 
Can you post another link to it?
Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 14, 2010, 15:54:19 pm

Here is my effort at replicating Mookie's experiment.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6OIcjNl66E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6OIcjNl66E)


12V, 6A. The electromagnet was set at 70V and it pulled 0.66 amps.


I used six 4 inch pizza cutters I bought from The Dollar store.



My observations:
The higher the amp draw the better the production.
I won't call it an avalanche. Accelerated production is a better term.
The container wall has to be thin. I tried a 3/8 " thick Plexiglass and it did not work.

Hi Yaro,

Here is some comments of Mookie on your replication. He asked me to give it to you:

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Using circular pizza cutter disks is certainly creative but probably the least desirable shape
to use as plates in terms of creating resonance between them with a flat magnet face.
With a round disk, there is only a tiny portion of plate area close to the flat face of the magnet
able to be affected by the magnetic field. As you  know from your own experience,
in order for a magnetic field to have the greatest effect, its necessary to have
as much plate "edge" at the magnet face as possible.
..as is the case for any magnet.
 
As for the rather large 3/8 gap between the plates and the magnet face,
that is quite a lot, and will further lessen the affect of the magnetic field on the plates.
 
I'm quite familiar with the particular electromagnet in his video clip.
At 70 volts I'm quite certain that it is drawing 6.6 amps and not 0.66.
(his ammeter dial was probably just set at the wrong point)
 
The plate configuration, and placement, in his replication vid just need a few small changes,
but even with his present set up I'm glad he is able to see some accelerating effect.
He's not far off from being able to duplicate the acceleration in my original clip.
Half a dozen cheap magnetic mending plates from a local hardware store
would get him where he wants to be.
 
I hope he continues..because his thinking on the electrolysis process will change
when he succeeds with true acceleration, and sees it for himself for the first time.
I'm looking forward to that.
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regards
Steve


Title: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 14, 2010, 18:02:22 pm
Thanks Steve. I have not stopped working on it. This is my first shot.
I used a clamp meter to measure the current. I will verify . My container wall thickness is 1/8 not 3/8.
Title: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 18, 2010, 08:08:58 am
The impedance of the electromagnet is more than 100 ohms. So how does he get 6.6 amps? My variac is rated at 7.5 amps.
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 18, 2010, 17:10:24 pm
The impedance of the electromagnet is more than 100 ohms. So how does he get 6.6 amps? My variac is rated at 7.5 amps.

He thought to recognize it, Yaro.

Steve
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 22, 2010, 21:56:40 pm
Steve,
What are these?
 
"Half a dozen cheap magnetic mending plates"
I googled it, and it was inconclusive [brass .ferrous ,zinc ,etc]?
 
Thank you
Chet
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 23, 2010, 12:28:32 pm
Steve,
What are these?
 
"Half a dozen cheap magnetic mending plates"
I googled it, and it was inconclusive [brass .ferrous ,zinc ,etc]?
 
Thank you
Chet

He means that its better to use a material which reacts on a magnetic field.....
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2011, 22:45:57 pm
Steve have you tried using Mookies magnetic field idea with one of your Stan Meyer resonance circuits?
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 22, 2011, 23:57:33 pm
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Steve have you tried using Mookies magnetic field idea with one of your Stan Meyer resonance circuits?

These two techniques are too different in my opinion to be combined, but if you have ideas.....

Steve
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 23, 2011, 00:09:25 am
I have been playing with multiple coils and cores.
I had setups who did the resonance on 1khz, 42khz, 54khz.
All nice resonance flowers on the scope.
Nice gas production.

However......It didnt beat faradays law. Strait electrolysis is not beaten, yet.
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 23, 2011, 03:23:55 am
thanks for the answer, I have some conceps i've been working on similar to this.I know you havent broken faradays levels yet, but your heading in the right direction!
Title: Re: Resonant waterfuelcell project by Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 23, 2011, 10:55:10 am
I have been playing with multiple coils and cores.
I had setups who did the resonance on 1khz, 42khz, 54khz.
All nice resonance flowers on the scope.
Nice gas production.

However......It didnt beat faradays law. Strait electrolysis is not beaten, yet.

Hi Steve.
I want ask you about what voltage levels you have accros plates wfc in those setup's.
Thank for ansver.
andy