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Title: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2010, 07:24:58 am
The vehicle is a 2004 Dodge pickup truck with an 8 cylinder engine.  In the first video below, the owner is driving around in public on the streets of Arizona.  He has no problems until he reaches a steep grade or he gives the engine full throttle for too long. 

He uses an electrolyte and the additional 2 videos give us more details on his exact setup.  A phone number is also provided in one of the videos along with an email address.  The company's name is Future Energy Concepts Inc.


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Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2010, 17:53:51 pm
Hi Mina,
 
 
Nice to see another fake video.
Such a cell can produce at max 2 litres a minute.
Never ever ever ever 30lpm.... ;)
 

Steve
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2010, 22:47:48 pm
Fake

Nah , ur fake .

why did you delete my postings snowflakes and the golden ratio .



Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2010, 04:55:14 am
"Please come prove us wrong! New video being shot today should help ease your fears young man. Don't get me wrong: it took 6 months and thousands of dollars to get to this point. Thanks to Stan Myers's video on tube tuning and comments from a fellow youtuber about the lower? voltage happiness factoid, and a few tweaks we found on our own, we produce over 30.8 LPM @ 55amps with the new prototype @ 3.02 volts. So please come to Az for a test drive"----
DoomTracker   FutureEnergyConcepts (http://www.youtube.com/user/FutureEnergyConcepts)

So who wants to go to Arizona?  If you're going to call the man a complete liar, at least take him up on his in person challange to prove him wrong.  You have a trip to Arizona to lose, but you save the world if it's true.  Time to put up or shut up.  His offer is on the table.  I don't see anyone from this site offering anything like this, ever.  The talking part is already through...
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2010, 09:48:34 am
"Please come prove us wrong! New video being shot today should help ease your fears young man. Don't get me wrong: it took 6 months and thousands of dollars to get to this point. Thanks to Stan Myers's video on tube tuning and comments from a fellow youtuber about the lower? voltage happiness factoid, and a few tweaks we found on our own, we produce over 30.8 LPM @ 55amps with the new prototype @ 3.02 volts. So please come to Az for a test drive"----
DoomTracker   FutureEnergyConcepts (http://www.youtube.com/user/FutureEnergyConcepts)

So who wants to go to Arizona?  If you're going to call the man a complete liar, at least take him up on his in person challange to prove him wrong.  You have a trip to Arizona to lose, but you save the world if it's true.  Time to put up or shut up.  His offer is on the table.  I don't see anyone from this site offering anything like this, ever.  The talking part is already through...

I would love to go to Arizona......... :) :) :)
Sadly enough no money to do so. Its like 2000 dollar from my country to fly to the USA and Arizona. :-X :-X :-X
 
Steve
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2010, 09:50:19 am
anyone who uses 55 amps and Stan Meyer in the same sentence is full of *

Well, go wash your mounth, young man... :)
Go read the independant test report. It says: 12V by 40 AMPS..... :D
 
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2010, 20:44:43 pm
Plz post the patent number , I would like to read this patent .
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2010, 20:49:41 pm
in my opinion, sounds too good to be true. wouldn't give him money.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2010, 22:14:42 pm
Yes this is possible, if you read Henry Puharich's unpublished book he talks about this. This is what his water splitter was all about. To learn more on this process google "magic-sandwich pulse sequence", "“time-reversal” pulse sequences" and "Spin Temperature". It's very interesting.

-Tony Woodside-
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2010, 22:28:28 pm
Tony could you please post this book?
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 20, 2010, 22:46:56 pm
yeah I have it on my website, here the link http://www.globalkast.com/docs/Elf_Magnetic_model_of_matter_and_mind.pdf
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 21, 2010, 03:07:17 am
send it to me sebos
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 21, 2010, 05:23:12 am
It looks like a nice patent Sebos ,Ill ask my brother to send you 25$ US from my paypal , best I can do .

But if that things needs much precious metals its not worth it .



Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 21, 2010, 13:30:27 pm

 Don't know about in Brazil, but, IGBT's are plentiful on Ebay. They are being used to build Controllers for converting Engine driven cars to Electric Cars.  Might do a search there ??
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 21, 2010, 16:12:39 pm
For a bike we calculated about 1000amps 5000 volts 5XL 
5 MW of power for a bike? what do you want to do with that? The IGBT for 5MW will be huge
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 22, 2010, 00:53:24 am
Nah Im sure you will not get there , your idea is too crazy and   expensive now that you mention 5MW and platinum and tanks . You cant   pull off this huge build , I know you will choke .

It has taken   me over a year to finish this 3 phase oscillator + 6 channel amplifier ,   and I have spent 1000 hours and 1000$ , I have restarted 2 times the amplifier when seeing the problematic at hand and understanding what was happening . You dont even have the rest of   the $ . I really dont think you can   pull this off .

I wont send you 25$ after all , I have my own mosfets to buy anyways .

You should work on something simpler and cheaper and proven   like Kapanadze , I dont like the idea of competing with the mother frikkin army and relying on a inventor wich is in it for big contracts .

We have to be adult with ourselves , this concept does not respect the concept of KISS and cheap , you couldnt get this kind of power from your street.

I think you should start asking if you are making good decisions and advancing yoiurself in life with these kind of projects .


 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 22, 2010, 16:09:47 pm
Nah Im sure you will not get there , your idea is too crazy and   expensive now that you mention 5MW and platinum and tanks . You cant   pull off this huge build , I know you will choke .

It has taken   me over a year to finish this 3 phase oscillator + 6 channel amplifier ,   and I have spent 1000 hours and 1000$ , I have restarted 2 times the amplifier when seeing the problematic at hand and understanding what was happening . You dont even have the rest of   the $ . I really dont think you can   pull this off .

I wont send you 25$ after all , I have my own mosfets to buy anyways .

You should work on something simpler and cheaper and proven   like Kapanadze , I dont like the idea of competing with the mother frikkin army and relying on a inventor wich is in it for big contracts .

We have to be adult with ourselves , this concept does not respect the concept of KISS and cheap , you couldnt get this kind of power from your street.

I think you should start asking if you are making good decisions and advancing yoiurself in life with these kind of projects .


 

At Last... One thing that I agree with Dankie...

Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 22, 2010, 16:14:51 pm
heh heh
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 23, 2010, 16:12:33 pm
sorry at least i tried.


 :-X 


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Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 24, 2010, 00:25:24 am
sorry at least i tried.


 :-X 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8&NR=1&feature=fvwp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwQt1tJYa8&NR=1&feature=fvwp)

 
 
Dont be sorry.......heads up!
 
A waterbucket and pump are mucho cheaper...... ;)
 
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 18, 2010, 05:36:43 am
Fasten your seatbelts people!!!!!!  OMG!!!  To everybody who attacked these inventors in Arizona…you might want to take a second look.  They are claiming around 365 miles per gallon on WATER!!!  You could drive across the United States without having to stop for fuel.  You could fill up your fuel tank right in your own front yard.  Here is the new video that was hacked by hackers (I just can’t figure out who would try to stop this?  The oil companies have to love water, right?) trying to keep a lid on this breakthrough but it has been uploaded again for the world to see:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE)
 
Now we will finally be able to replace or do away with all the coal generating stations, nuclear power plants, household oil fueled heaters, AND DEEP SEA OIL DRILLING PLATFORMS!  What will the Arabs sell us now?  We already have lots of sand.  Finally, no more wars over oil disguised as “the removal of weapons of mass destruction”.  Besides, the Bush’s can always sell their oil to McCain.
 
They just came back from a 3000 mile plus test drive with their system!  It is very similar to Meyer's Demo Cell.  Go figure ;)

The PES site documentation is located here:

http://pesn.com/2010/08/17/9501689_QA_Frederick_Wells_VP_Future_Energy_Concepts_Inc/ (http://pesn.com/2010/08/17/9501689_QA_Frederick_Wells_VP_Future_Energy_Concepts_Inc/)

It looks like the “Meyer Demo Cell” is right on target ;D
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 18, 2010, 08:54:13 am
The Meyer Demo cell would run any car, If mixed with gasoline fumes. I was running my dune buggy on Gasoline fumes and My plate cell. I wasn't interested in the Mix So I never really spoke much on it., However I have posted this info here over a year ago.

I assume this is what the video is about, If so that's very old news.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 18, 2010, 09:40:57 am
The last part of the canadian patent is i think the most interesting one.....
Read the last line...
 
He says: you just hook up the exhaust to the intake and add some HHO. Thats it!
An engine is an airpump. Just try to cool the exhaust gas and make it run in circles..
 
Well, maybe soon i can try that on my generator.
 
Steve
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2010, 07:20:29 am
The Meyer Demo cell would run any car, If mixed with gasoline fumes. I was running my dune buggy on Gasoline fumes and My plate cell. I wasn't interested in the Mix So I never really spoke much on it., However I have posted this info here over a year ago.

I assume this is what the video is about, If so that's very old news.

The vehicle they made the HHO only test drive in has a fuel injected engine.  The fuel line was removed and replaced with a separate HHO supply line to the fuel rail.  If gasoline fumes can remain in an engine’s fuel rail for over 3000 miles enough to fully power an eight cylinder truck engine, I want to buy that fuel rail.
 
Here's the video again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py8QYt54EpE)
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2010, 16:58:57 pm
I looked at this and sent a small question about the PWM to them.
They have the same email provider as I do and I'm interested if I get a answer back.
 
I checked the pictures and somehow it all doesn't add up yet.
They run the CCPWM at 15hz its a standard motor controller type and he stated in the video they changed a chip on the CCPWM but in reality you have to change a capacitor.
They give the sizing on the tubes and also state the inside set is 4 octives lower than the outset sets, also give the mm gapping.
 
When they energize the tube sets it still took several minutes to get 5psi. So it appears to me the pressure of the tube set does not rise by iotself without any outside force of pressure.
Makes me wonder then if after the engine starts that exhaust pressure is redirected into the tubeset container.
Also where does it show that they have 55a 3volt meaning I did not see the transformer.
 
There are a few things unanswered here.
 
This is interesting although some questions need answering.
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2010, 17:09:44 pm
The guy said in the video that the cell is pulling 70 amps and 10 volts using pure water and no electrolyte. Can sombody explain to me how the PWM can offer 70 amps without the cell asking for it? How is the cell able to pull 70 amps without a ton of KOH?

Bob Boyce uses 1/3 by volume of KOH.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2010, 18:29:10 pm
Its all scam.

700 watts on tubes with a 10v on all tubes in parallel do max 5 litres.....The parallel tubes can be compared with parallel resistors. The more you have, the lower the resistance, the more amps it pull....

steve
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2010, 19:03:21 pm
Its all scam.

700 watts on tubes with a 10v on all tubes in parallel do max 5 litres.....The parallel tubes can be compared with parallel resistors. The more you have, the lower the resistance, the more amps it pull....

steve

Yes, but they have 9-10 tubes, that can only pull about 4 to 6 amps in tap water.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2010, 20:03:18 pm
It appears the current and voltage have changed many times in their write-ups and video's.
Also they state they use 10% ferrous oxide in the base epoxy to aid the capacitance?
 
Still there is 55 PSI of pressure and no explaination for this.
The pressure is not coming from those tubes its coming from somewhere else. (my opinion).
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2010, 22:04:38 pm
Its all scam.

700 watts on tubes with a 10v on all tubes in parallel do max 5 litres.....The parallel tubes can be compared with parallel resistors. The more you have, the lower the resistance, the more amps it pull....

steve

Yes, but they have 9-10 tubes, that can only pull about 4 to 6 amps in tap water.

You might be right in that.
My max with tabwater was with 10 tubes a 30 amps on 20V....
Maybe their tapwater is very dirty and has more iron in it...?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2010, 22:22:27 pm


 
You might be right in that.
My max with tabwater was with 10 tubes a 30 amps on 20V....
Maybe their tapwater is very dirty and has more iron in it...?


Steve,
If you got 30 amps you probably had a short circuit. When the white coating thickens the amp draw diminishes.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2010, 23:34:23 pm
well i already told you all that i got up to 20 amps at 1,44 volts using only one tube and naoh... 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2010, 00:01:36 am
well i already told you all that i got up to 20 amps at 1,44 volts using only one tube and naoh...

Seb,

That is exactly what I mean. You must use electrolyte to breakdown the resistance and increase the current demand. You can apply any voltage but current has to be demanded by the load. Welding requires huge current demand because it is a short circuit.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2010, 03:30:35 am
I had this amperage at real resonance using inductor and resonant capacitor in parallel having the tube in the middle actually were a couple of tubes and a couple of diodes in antiparallel configuration. Probably if i have used very high area on the electrodes would be possible to not use the naoh...


My girlfriend got killed in a strange car accident this weekend in italy. i'm really really sad with this.


Reagards   
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2010, 16:39:54 pm
Seb,
My condolences to you.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2010, 19:16:06 pm

 Sebosfato, My condolences, also.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2010, 20:28:49 pm
My condolecense, Fabio.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 20, 2010, 21:35:48 pm
Still very hard to believe what happened. Thanks guys, don't know what to say. 




I would like to share this with you:


Yan R. Kucherov
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=e_MoAAAAEBAJ


Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 21, 2010, 00:05:03 am
Here  is a response to my question to them on Ebay: "it depends on how many plates you use. Some cells have 20 or 30 plates and will draw 50A or more."[/size]
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Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 21, 2010, 05:22:11 am
Its all scam.

700 watts on tubes with a 10v on all tubes in parallel do max 5 litres.....The parallel tubes can be compared with parallel resistors. The more you have, the lower the resistance, the more amps it pull....

steve

@Steve:
I can understand why you would say this, Steve.  There have been thousands upon thousands of similar scams pulled on unsuspecting everyday people and experimenters alike in the past.  They all sound too good to be true.
 
Even Stanley Meyer’s dune buggy seemed like a scam and was treated as one by the mainstream public throughout the world.  By the time many of us realized that Meyer was not a scammer, it was too late and the man was dead.  It’s very unfortunate that he died before we could learn in greater detail exactly what he had done.  I would even go so far as to call it a tragedy.  His technology could have saved so many lives that were wasted in the name of war over oil fields.  We may not have even had the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico if Stan had succeeded in making it to market with his devices. 

It’s easy for people to develop thick skin when it comes to new energy technology in light of past letdowns.  In the realm of psychology, this is known as “Pike Syndrome”.

Here is a video which will be able to visually explain just what this syndrome is for those who have never heard of it before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyHCOPe8qy0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyHCOPe8qy0)

I am requesting more information regarding this Future Energy Concepts technology in order to see if they will allow me to replicate their setup.  They claim in their video that the prototype version you see demonstrated in their video is going to be “shareware” (or freely copied sort of the way Pantone gives away a free GEET system plans so long as you don’t make more than one) and they are allowing the public to see their system in person on the 21st which is tomorrow. 

I refuse to call their technology a scam until they refuse my request for exact schematics and component details. 

Regards,
mina
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 21, 2010, 07:33:38 am
If i was anywhere in U.S. I would certainly be there personally tomorrow ;)
Any of you could go check this? Who here live closer to them?




???




Regards
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 21, 2010, 10:23:37 am
Its all scam.

700 watts on tubes with a 10v on all tubes in parallel do max 5 litres.....The parallel tubes can be compared with parallel resistors. The more you have, the lower the resistance, the more amps it pull....

steve

@Steve:
I can understand why you would say this, Steve.  There have been thousands upon thousands of similar scams pulled on unsuspecting everyday people and experimenters alike in the past.  They all sound too good to be true.
 
Even Stanley Meyer’s dune buggy seemed like a scam and was treated as one by the mainstream public throughout the world.  By the time many of us realized that Meyer was not a scammer, it was too late and the man was dead.  It’s very unfortunate that he died before we could learn in greater detail exactly what he had done.  I would even go so far as to call it a tragedy.  His technology could have saved so many lives that were wasted in the name of war over oil fields.  We may not have even had the BP disaster in the Gulf of Mexico if Stan had succeeded in making it to market with his devices. 

It’s easy for people to develop thick skin when it comes to new energy technology in light of past letdowns.  In the realm of psychology, this is known as “Pike Syndrome”.

Here is a video which will be able to visually explain just what this syndrome is for those who have never heard of it before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyHCOPe8qy0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyHCOPe8qy0)

I am requesting more information regarding this Future Energy Concepts technology in order to see if they will allow me to replicate their setup.  They claim in their video that the prototype version you see demonstrated in their video is going to be “shareware” (or freely copied sort of the way Pantone gives away a free GEET system plans so long as you don’t make more than one) and they are allowing the public to see their system in person on the 21st which is tomorrow. 

I refuse to call their technology a scam until they refuse my request for exact schematics and component details. 

Regards,
mina

Its strange that they show a tubesetup on that truck and what i see is a VERY slow production, if you look at the time it took to build up some pressure in the cell.
 
Now you asked them a price and deliverytime and they come up with PLATES?
 
I have dismanteld with Electrojolt (Claudio) many scammers in this field, last years, Mina.
Maybe it makes me more sceptical then others.
However, i do believe in this technology more then most of the people on this earth....
I have spent thousends of euro's / dollars sofar.
Made many engines running already.
I know what it takes to do such a thing.
Running that BIG engine on 2 litres of HHO cannot be done.
What i ll will try, maybe even today, is to hook up my cell to my injectionsystem of my renault clio 1.4ltr 4 cylinder engine.
I will even hook up my ionizer to the airintake, as i have done on my motorbike.
Then i wil lbuild up pressure.....and start the car.....
 
Believe me, it will not work.
 
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 21, 2010, 15:32:13 pm
Hello again.  :)
I think they put gasoline in the WFC.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 21, 2010, 16:09:20 pm
taking a look at the thing again, hidden in the obvious. could very well be.
they heat it with their electrical heater aka pwm and the gasoline fumes are injected.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 21, 2010, 19:36:39 pm
If gasoline fumes were injected it would still get great mileage per hour and this would maybe explain the pressure of 20-60psi.
The unit sitting there started, really showed 5psi. But when motor started the pressure rose slowly to 60psi.
Also he mentioned HC maybe in the write up, whats he talking about? maybe Hydrogen Chloride???
 
Then why hide the information?
These guys have been up to this before.
 
I emailed a real easy question and still have no answer, but then again they may have stirred too much email up.
 
We'll see if if he keeps it shareware or open source.
 
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 22, 2010, 00:41:44 am
If gasoline fumes were injected it would still get great mileage per hour and this would maybe explain the pressure of 20-60psi.
The unit sitting there started, really showed 5psi. But when motor started the pressure rose slowly to 60psi.
Also he mentioned HC maybe in the write up, whats he talking about? maybe Hydrogen Chloride???
 
Then why hide the information?
These guys have been up to this before.
 
I emailed a real easy question and still have no answer, but then again they may have stirred too much email up.
 
We'll see if if he keeps it shareware or open source.

In their earlier setup, they prepared to introduce gasoline into the fuel rail (that’s what they are calling HC or hydrocarbon) whenever they were experiencing serious power shortfalls while climbing hills and running in full throttle.  They no longer have a problem climbing hills or running in full throttle.  They still leave the fuel line tee’d into the fuel rail but only for emergency purposes in order to have a parachute (open a valve that lets them get back home) to prevent them from getting stranded.
 
If they were putting gasoline in the cell itself, they would NOT need the tee with an angle cock as a backup.  You don’t need a backup gasoline valve for an engine that is already running on gasoline.
 
Regards,
mina
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 22, 2010, 01:07:23 am
I think these are just ppl trying to pull off a scam , they might get 200$ from a gullible person for info but their scam will be short lived .

American innovation 2010 style ...
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2010, 06:43:31 am
Future Energy Concepts is moving forward to produce a commercial product.  At the same time, they are giving away the plans for free to their prototype that powered the V-8 engine.  The plans can be found at:
first onehttp://groups.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/documentation/node/46
  second onehttp://groups.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/documentation/node/9 
The following video is an example in real time (proof of concept) of how this system performs:
third onehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaAAdeqSMFE
   
The above video was released by the same company that powered the 2004 Dodge eight cylinder pickup truck.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2010, 13:10:45 pm
Future Energy Concepts is moving forward to produce a commercial product.  At the same time, they are giving away the plans for free to their prototype that powered the V-8 engine.  The plans can be found at:
first onehttp://groups.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/documentation/node/46
  second onehttp://groups.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/documentation/node/9 
The following video is an example in real time (proof of concept) of how this system performs:
third onehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaAAdeqSMFE
   
The above video was released by the same company that powered the 2004 Dodge eight cylinder pickup truck.

I was told by people who has visit them that this car ran as a hybride. Meaning petrol and HHO.
So, no 100% running on HHO. Lots of * . They wanna atrack investors. I heard it from a potential investor.

As far as tuning tubes to the same frequency, i can inform you that no results at all has reached my ears so far.
If anybody has positive results on the frequency tuning, then please speak out loud!

Steve


Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2010, 14:55:59 pm
http://www.rtl.hr/video-hrvat-izmislio-auto-na-vodu-clanak-22543
2400 km per liter water
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Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2010, 03:37:16 am
The car from the FutureEnergyConcepts video was run on 100% water no petrol.
Proto 6 went through several stages of developements.
The videos are not stretching the truth.
 
The last video is much more impressive.
Freddy has done all the math for the proto6 that he has open sourced it.
Had a visit with him last week and he is a blessed fellow and family.
 
The petrol is cut off with a valve, and can be used to enhance the system when it needs it like on a hill climb.
In the video he also states and shows loss of system pressure in the injection manifold when climbing a small hill.
I did not get a personal look at the truck but understand there were problems with certain people.
Also take note that the truck in the video's was a 4.3liter I think and it did very well with the cell unit.
 
So maybe using imagination if the motor was smaller than 4.3 it could sustain a larger climb and pressure could be maintained on the manifold better.
Or addition of another tube-set pair or 2 might work to maintain pressure when horsepower is called for.
The basic concept is there and it works well.
Better than anybody ever offered up to the public.
 
The only thing I suggest is to make a pair of tubes exactly as he stated.
Adam is making the tubes and tested one in Freddy's last video, go and check this out its very impressive.
 
Freddy did all the tuning math for us: tubes, 14.7hz PWM. Based on 1/2wave RF tuning I believe and fundamental frequency's of the tubes become acousto-mechanical with PWM at 14.7 the math was also figured for frequency wavelength in water and as much variables as possible with the water and gas between the gap.
There were so many variables this genious genuine man figured for us.
 
Personally speaking he is giving us a gift. We have been blessed.
He has been doing this for 30years, and has been involved with people we believe in. So anyone spewing negative crap is just that, a bunch of BS.
Don't forget all the people and companies that want to suppress this technology. Thats always a problem.
   
 
 
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2010, 10:25:23 am
Hi Komtek,

I calculated the amount of gas produced in his truck video and that was not more then 2 ltr a minute. You just cannot run such a big engine on that.

The last video of the adam tube looks great!
I would suggest that we try to replicate that it.
Should not be so difficult.

About the man, well, i havent met him so i only judge him on his video behaviour.



Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2010, 16:14:23 pm
Yes its hard to believe that a small amount of gas can go so far.
 
I originally thought maybe he had just a liter per min.
But this is no ordinary hydroxy or BG.
 
I'm not absolutely sure but think he said 2H2O2i that came up in a conversation somewhere. But he is also working on Proto7, its completely different.
 
Anyways the strength in his HHO alignment has substancially more impact than the norm.
They call it ionized.
He pointed out just the rise of the tube over its pair creates an ionization. (1 tube taller than the other). A very good point.
Because of the ionization of the gases, they become heavy so this may easily relate to more density.
Put this gas in a balloon and if the balloon does not float and falls to the earth then this ionized gas can be compressed substancially beyond 60psi.
If the balloon floats its not the right gas and you cannot compress it too far before it implodes/explodes, its been suggested be carefull at 15psi.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2010, 17:07:08 pm
Yes its hard to believe that a small amount of gas can go so far.
 
I originally thought maybe he had just a liter per min.
But this is no ordinary hydroxy or BG.
 
I'm not absolutely sure but think he said 2H2O2i that came up in a conversation somewhere. But he is also working on Proto7, its completely different.
 
Anyways the strength in his HHO alignment has substancially more impact than the norm.
They call it ionized.
He pointed out just the rise of the tube over its pair creates an ionization. (1 tube taller than the other). A very good point.
Because of the ionization of the gases, they become heavy so this may easily relate to more density.
Put this gas in a balloon and if the balloon does not float and falls to the earth then this ionized gas can be compressed substancially beyond 60psi.
If the balloon floats its not the right gas and you cannot compress it too far before it implodes/explodes, its been suggested be carefull at 15psi.

Komtek,

Ionization happens only when HV is involved or when photons hit a molecule/atom. Never heard of ionization in any otherway. Even Stan Meyer used a HV device.
The thing is that FFreddy is using lots of terms and i am sure he doesnt know the real meaning of them.

The matter of making more space between 2 electrodes doesnt mean anything except that you get less gas at those points.
I have had many tubes rising higher over others.... Never seen a miracle.

Btw, are you Adam on the other forum?

I watched his video with the 1 tube over and over. The only thing he is changing after he reaches the 3 amps is decreasing duty of his 14.7hz cycle. He keeps on hitting the tube with a very small pulse at the end.
For sure i will buy me 2 seamless tubes and tune them into the same frequency and see what happens after hitting that 3 amp border.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2010, 18:00:41 pm
UYes i see very strange terms too..


however i think that he believe that the gas will come out ionized is somewhat related to the fact that inside a conductor electric field must be zero...


he states that his gas can be compressed up to high psi without exploding, hope he show it...




some interesting facts about water
http://www.chem1.com/acad/sci/aboutwater.html




this make me think that maybe some non salt base or acid surfactant like edta could help us to weak the bound...





Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2010, 07:33:59 am
I tried to tell you guys before that this is the real deal but I was butchered.  I have been studying this HHO approach ever since which is why I had to temporarily abandon my own project here.  It’s the bird in the hand reasoning/logic.
 
I am lacking certain details to complete my prototype “6” series replication which is why I can not offer or announce a successful replication at this time.
 
“...and the truth shall set you free.”
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2010, 09:51:20 am
I tried to tell you guys before that this is the real deal but I was butchered.  I have been studying this HHO approach ever since which is why I had to temporarily abandon my own project here.  It’s the bird in the hand reasoning/logic.
 
I am lacking certain details to complete my prototype “6” series replication which is why I can not offer or announce a successful replication at this time.
 
“...and the truth shall set you free.”


What kind of details are you missing, Mina?
Lets see if we can replicate this FF setup.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2010, 18:47:30 pm
"Wow, took a long time to make a reply and post and it came up blank. Try it again."
 
 
 
Here are links to the various Freddy sites and pages:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:_Hydrogen_Hog_by_Future_Energy_Concepts%2C_Inc.
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/WaterFuel/FreedomReclamationProject/
http://groups.yahoo.com/adultconf?dest=%2Fgroup%2FFreddys_Cell%2F
http://www.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/
http://groups.futureenergyconceptsinc.com/
There all linked together some way but this is a great start.
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2010, 18:48:09 pm
Most of the parts will be somewhere here and if there is anything else missing I could help and it would be good to speak about certain methods of build.
May I suggest its probably quicker and cheaper to make a basic test as Freddy did in one of the video's linked.
 
What I wrote about in the post that got lost was I stressed the tubes tuning. This is something that has been missed by us. There are mathematic computations in the design to make a cell-system work the way it should as Freddy is putting out in front of us as a gift.
This stuff is totally relateable to Meyer whether you see it or not.
The frequency of the tubes are selected not just on the chime/ring fundamentals but the harmonics. Some harmonics are actually more promenant than the fundamentals.
It was devised in such a fashion as to create the acousto-mechanical resonant effect.
Another strong point is the tubes are 180 degree's out of phase of each other, which aids in the vibrational effect.
So much work was put into the mathematics, included I believe the doppler effect among much more vibrational/sound computations.
Also pay attention to the carriage bolt in the center tube as its obvious this may slightly aid to the effect, somewhat as a slight deflection.
 
Seamless has the chime/ring to it thats needed to allow the signals/frequencys to propogate.
Testing pipes here seamless verses seamed and its a huge difference in acoustic quality.
The system won't work unless you pay attention to these details.
 
Seamless 316L 6"x1"x.035"wall.
Seamless 316L 7"x3/4"x.065"wall. 
Carriage bolt for center of 3/4" tube has domed top.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2010, 21:42:15 pm
Most of the parts will be somewhere here and if there is anything else missing I could help and it would be good to speak about certain methods of build.
May I suggest its probably quicker and cheaper to make a basic test as Freddy did in one of the video's linked.
 
What I wrote about in the post that got lost was I stressed the tubes tuning. This is something that has been missed by us. There are mathematic computations in the design to make a cell-system work the way it should as Freddy is putting out in front of us as a gift.
This stuff is totally relateable to Meyer whether you see it or not.
The frequency of the tubes are selected not just on the chime/ring fundamentals but the harmonics. Some harmonics are actually more promenant than the fundamentals.
It was devised in such a fashion as to create the acousto-mechanical resonant effect.
Another strong point is the tubes are 180 degree's out of phase of each other, which aids in the vibrational effect.
So much work was put into the mathematics, included I believe the doppler effect among much more vibrational/sound computations.
Also pay attention to the carriage bolt in the center tube as its obvious this may slightly aid to the effect, somewhat as a slight deflection.
 
Seamless has the chime/ring to it thats needed to allow the signals/frequencys to propogate.
Testing pipes here seamless verses seamed and its a huge difference in acoustic quality.
The system won't work unless you pay attention to these details.
 
Seamless 316L 6"x1"x.035"wall.
Seamless 316L 7"x3/4"x.065"wall. 
Carriage bolt for center of 3/4" tube has domed top.

Hi Komtek,

Thank you for posting all this info.
You wrote that the inner and outer tube are 180 degree out of phase.
What does that mean? I thought FF tuned both tubes to the same frequency.

Steve
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2010, 21:58:09 pm
For the possible replicators in europe, here are the dimensions in metric mm.

Outertube:
Length                                     :  152,4 mm (6 inches)
Outer diameter                        :    25,4 mm (1 inche)
Wall thickness                          :      0,9 mm ( .035 inche)

Innertube                                :  177,8 mm (7 inches)
Outer diameter                        :    19,1 mm (3/4 inche)
Wall thickness                         :      1,7 mm (.065 inche)

technical grade: ASTM A213 or ASME SA-213   (316 seamless?)


The top of the tubes are cut in an angle.
The bottum plug or bolt in the innertube must have a bolt surface, pointing into the innertube.

Ok, then you have to put a welder on the tubes to set the internal magnetic fields of both tubes in the same direction.

Tuning is done with help of an musik instrument tuner or a PC.
Hang the tube up and hit it with a stick of wood.
The outertube is 1 octave lower........??????? I could not hear good what FF said on this.
He tested the innertube and got a 193.5hz. So ill gues he needs a 96.7hz for the outertube.

The innertube dictates the frequency of this all. You tune at the end the pwm on the frequency of the innertube.

The innertube = negative
The outertube = positive

Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2010, 22:03:11 pm
Yes the tubes have the same frequencys in them but are not the same frequency. (thats what my ear hears, but I only did the 2 center tubes).
Thats a very interesting part of this.
The tubes are really 2 different frequencys that are relative in harmonic fundamentals. (I have not done these outer tubes yet).
 
You will see when you have these tubes and ping them.
It will be more enlightening to have a frequency or tone software program, that you can record and playback and get real time frequency/tone measurements.
NCH tone generator has a 14 day free trial and also does not cost much to license.
There are also small programs for digital cell phones that only cost a few dollars.

I believe I was also told that this is tuned to a 1/2wave.
Only thing that comes to mind is like a 1/2 wave RF.
Don't know much about this 1/2 wave sorry.
 
It does go to show that a major job was done on this tuning, more than meets the eye.
 
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2010, 00:25:30 am
Hi Komtek and Mina,

I added more info in my older post here above..

Lets make it complete!

Steve
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2010, 03:37:20 am
Steve the 1 octive lower is only the center pair of tubes.
 
The completed Proto 6 system is 9 pair of tubes around a center pair of tubes.
9 pair of tubes are 3/4" and 1" as we already talked about.
 
Center pair of tubes is a: 6"x2"x.065"wall and a 7"x1.75"x.065wall. These tubes have a small 1mm gap while the others have a 2mm gap I believe.
These center tubes are the 1 octive lower you mentioned.
 
The whole system is 10 pair of tubes, 9 around the 1.
Its built into a container and here the GE GXWH40L container is available at HomeDepot that Freddy used.
Before we go into the proto 6 build we should test the single pair for operation as Freddy has shown.
 
Then there is a PWM and as Freddy uses the MX068 available from ebay.
The PWM needs modifications to 14.7hz. Its not a hassle to do this. I think were talking about a cap and resistors and can be done with resistance change only if you want.
Any PWM with the ability to get to 14.7hz can work.
The good thing about the MX068 is it comes as a 55amp PWM. Has a frequency control and a Duty control.
Freddy also modified the mosfets, number 1 check for thermal paste on the mosfets. The PWM should be capable of in excess of 100amps at start to help the system pressure rise quickly. After that its adjusted to 55amp. I believe there is a on/off relay connected to a pressure sensor set at 60psi. Very simplistic system.
I know he uses a lot of current but this does not matter for what the system is capable of.
 
The system also has a second battery and a battery isolator. Alternator capable of working (charging) the automobile battery as well as the isolated battery, suggested is 200 amp alternator. Some valves. Valve to shut off petrol. Pressure relief set to 75psi. Air cleaner dryer. Connection to injector manifold. Water tank. Water level sensor and pump. A relay. Some #12 wire for shorted coils to help take the edge off the square wave. etc..
 
Before we go into the whole thing, lets test the single pair and tune it.
 
The single pair of tubes also gets small plastic set-screws threaded through the outer tube to space the inner tube and gap.
It appears the length of the inner tube may be adjusted slightly lower at the bottom than the outer tube sort of like a wave guide, before this is epoxied into a vessel container.
The preliminary testing and details have to be worked out.
It would be nice to see a reaction just like in the video.
Once that is done and working then personally I would complete the full build.
 
 
 
 
   
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2010, 03:48:35 am
Besides setting the magnetic fields, the tubes need to be annealed to soften them.  This is supposed to enhance their performance.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2010, 04:13:34 am
Yes you would think that annealing may be a plus.
 
I was told that it was not neccessary.
It is an added expense.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 24, 2010, 04:42:11 am
Yes you would think that annealing may be a plus.
 
I was told that it was not neccessary.
It is an added expense.
I think Freddy himself says it’s necessary in the following video at 7:50:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6U0xXMwBk&feature=mfu_in_order&playnext=1&videos=fn6MAv4zYmk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6U0xXMwBk&feature=mfu_in_order&playnext=1&videos=fn6MAv4zYmk)
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 24, 2010, 10:58:51 am
Question:

Did anybody seen anything about making the surface shine like a mirror on these FF tubes?

Steve
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 24, 2010, 20:39:52 pm
Mina I was just relating to you what was told to me by Freddy.
Annealing will soften the metal if done correctly and it appears if its done can enhance the performance of vibration as Freddy has stated in the video for Proto 7.
 
Also there is personal creativity that can be applied to enhance the operation of the cell you will make as long as the fundamental principles of the system as it works are enhanced and not degraded. (certain other methods of building were also brought to my attention IE:epoxy laced with ferrous oxide method).
 
So the question is still the same, has a simple single pair test be done to confirm the enhanced ionized gas and production. Before anyone were to spend and possibly waste hard earned dollars on certain processes. (anyone else other than Freddy in a video?)
 
Also a quality seamless tube when made seems to undergo an annealing process and this may have to do with the manufacturer that made the tubing.
Meaning I'm pretty sure all manufactures may have slightly different processes although the methods are pretty much the same.
Freddy told me he purchased his tubes from onlinemetals. http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=902&step=2&top_cat=1 (http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?id=902&step=2&top_cat=1)
 
If you buy your seamless from online metals take a note of the technical grade: ASTM A213 or ASME SA-213
Further probing into this specification tells you: All material is to be furnished in heat treated condition.
This tubing has basically undergone some annealing to attach this specification quality to it.
 
It will be best when you purchase your tubing to understand what it is you are buying, so pay attention.
Annealing may be a waste of dollars if the metal has already undergone an annealing process.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 24, 2010, 21:11:00 pm
Steve that is a good point:  "Did anybody seen anything about making the surface shine like a mirror on these FF tubes?"
 
Freddy mentioned to me a basic building block of construction is creativity/imagination and an intenseness of detail.

No where is it mentioned in Freddy's video's about polishing a tube.
Also I did not see any polished tubes in Freddy's shop.
I know Freddy was all about keep it simple stupid method as Stan Meyer.
 
Speaking with Freddy he states many of these processes are uneccessary, but also these many processes enhance the performance just a little.
So it seems that how much work are we/you willing to do?
 
If the inside of the center tube is polished you would think that it aids to vibration of acousto-deflection/reflection, by not being absorbed by a rough surface, but what if you want it to be absorbed to aid in vibrations?. I think more information is neccessary.
If the inside of the tube pair gap is polished its another question.
We know that a sanded surface exposes more surface area and in turn more area makes more gas as in a standard electrolizer.
But an acoustic vibration may most likely deflect better off a polished surface (don't know), still more information is needed.
Now it becomes self experimentation on various theory's.
 
Does anybody have any PDF study's on acousto-mechanical deflection/vibration? It may be helpfull of more understanding.
Signal vibration propogation.
 
 
 

 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 25, 2010, 22:38:25 pm
I was just informed that the rod holding the cell in the video of Freddy's test was also connected to a steel chair and was explained as funneling energy from the outside environment into the cell.
Also that another chemical was being used as a catalyst.
 
These informations and descriptions will become available in an upcoming PDF file from Freddy.
Either way I look at it it is apparent that there is some interesting reactions happening with Freddy's cell.
It appears that the full information disclosure will be available when the PDF is published.
This PDF will have a cost of $100 when its available.
 
I don't think it wise to perform a full replication build just yet.
Although testing of a single tube cell sounds interesting to see what result may be acheived.
 
What other catalyst in the bucket can produce his result?
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 27, 2010, 05:47:28 am
I was just informed that the rod holding the cell in the video of Freddy's test was also connected to a steel chair and was explained as funneling energy from the outside environment into the cell.
Also that another chemical was being used as a catalyst.
 
These informations and descriptions will become available in an upcoming PDF file from Freddy.
Either way I look at it it is apparent that there is some interesting reactions happening with Freddy's cell.
It appears that the full information disclosure will be available when the PDF is published.
This PDF will have a cost of $100 when its available.
 
I don't think it wise to perform a full replication build just yet.
Although testing of a single tube cell sounds interesting to see what result may be acheived.
 
What other catalyst in the bucket can produce his result?
@Komtek:
Thanks for the additional information.  What I was wondering now is when Freddy is going allow the secret/private replicators to publish their independent results and have their measurements/results verified?
 
I have a great deal of respect for Freddy and his accomplices.  They are about to change the world in a major way and sometimes it's hard to imagine freedom from the parasitic (not to mention unscrupulous, greedy and manipulating monopolizers) energy vendors at long last becoming a reality.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 27, 2010, 17:26:12 pm
Mina, do you have results?
 
I may be able to help get results published/verified.
1) Can speak to Freddy.
2) Have spoken to Sterling Allan (PesNetwork, PesWiki).
 
Also would like to hear of your build details if you want to share.
You could email me at: komtek@cableone.net if you would like to exchange some input and ideas.
We can Skype too!
 
John
 
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 27, 2010, 23:11:43 pm
I think that Freddy used the negative and positive of his battery and his pwm to charge up the water and make it conducting. As soon as it conducts, the charge between the chair and his battery took over...
Dont you think that too?


Its like an electric discharge when you put yr hand on a metal door.....


Steve
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2010, 05:09:57 am
Steve, It was a small amout of time he turned on the PWM to 3amp.
If that succeeded to charge the chair negative and to run the cell for the rest of the video, does not compute very well in my thinking, but anything is possible it seems nowadays.
The cell stayed very vigorous when the current was removed, just as it had a 3amp or higher current still going to it.
I was told the chair was acting like a antenna so to speak, absorbing and using the energy from the environment. (that would be nice).
Also if it could have been used as a antenna, then how about trying this with a real antenna?
 
I can see it would be nice to make a test of the single pair of tuned tubes.
Does not appear very costly.
 
Mina I may have misunderstood you, I was told pretty soon a replication will be completed and shortly after that a PDF will be published.
We can only sit and wait for that to happen.
Wish they could spend more time on it but I'm assuming everyone has a real job and builds as spare time becomes available.
 
I mentioned and someone else did also, for Freddy to make a video showing the chair and all connections to the cell. It sort of leaves you skeptical when you don't get to see the whole picture.
   
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2010, 10:36:26 am
What other catalyst in the bucket can produce his result?
gasoline
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2010, 19:09:44 pm
connection to a chair: reminds me of the cold electricity experiments, such as from drStiffler/mrh2o2 on YT - led's brighten up when touching the wire.
Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2010, 00:16:37 am
Here a test of FF


Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 29, 2010, 00:46:49 am
wow


How does it work?


future energy concepts subscribed to my youtube channel...


I will try to contact them.



Title: Re: Latest Success of a Vehicle Running 100% on Water
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 17:11:53 pm
having had three associates visit from different parts of the USA in August, and having had conversations with Freddy and his partner, I would not get too excited about any of this. A lot of stories to tell...bizare happennings
Kind Regards
Mark