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Title: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 02:45:42 am
Stan's work can be directly linked to Henry Puharich's water splitting method.  I do believe Stan used two different methods to fracturing the water molecule.  I think he started with the voltage potential method of applying a +v and -v to the plates/tubes, but his final method was the same as Puharich.  Puharich's method involved applying an Amplitude Modulated, AM, signal to the water molecule with a carrier frequency of 62,985Hz with a modulation index of 0.85.  Once he achieved super efficient electrolysis, his frequency had dropped to a center frequency of 3980Hz.  Puharich explains that the first effect felt by the water molecule is in the protons of the i(H1), i(H2) vector.  These protons feel the 3.8 to 2.8 second cycling of the amplitude of the carrier frequency and it associated side bands. This sets up a rotation of the proton magnetic movement as a hysteresis loop.  The hysteresis loop gives a vivid portrayal of the Nuclear Magnetic Relaxation, NMR, cycle of the protons in water. The NMR rate, 1/T, is the 3rd subharmonic of 2, i.e. 0.25 secs.
   
The next effect felt by the water molecule is the resonant frequency of the frequency generator, fo.  At peak efficiency of electrolysis the value of f= 600 Hz (+- 5Hz).  Holding the resonant frequency at 600 Hz is the gap distance between the center electrode and the rim of the outer electrode.  The carrier frequency wave is being amplitude modulated by audio frequencies sweeping over the range 20 Hz to 200 Hz, and this gives rise to a set of side bands in the power spectrum of the carrier frequency.  It is these side bands which give rise to an acoustic vibration of the liquid water, and the tetrahedral water molecule and hence to the phonon term term - a quantum unit of vibration, and to the hydron term - a tetrahedral unit of water. 

Puharich goes on to say that the harmonic RF Bands are continuous from 2^10, 2^11...., etc to 2^21 Hz.   Dispersion around these and the other bands will follow the 12th square of 2 rule for side band intervals.  1/0.125 is the phase velocity difference between the velocities of the orbits of the proton vs. the electrons.  The first and second harmonic ( 0.25 Hz and 0.5 Hz) of this fundamental are used in the cycling of the amplitude modulation during peak efficiency hydrolysis.

Below are some of Puharich's diagrams and figures
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/AP_K1_K2_Curve.jpg)
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Puharich_Table2.jpg)

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/1fig5.jpg)


The pictures below are Stan Meyer's waveforms you be the judge to if he was copying Puharich's work!!!
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/SM_Waveform_1.jpg)
The above photo is the waveform generated by Stan Meyer's actual plate cell setup (8XA circuit).

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/SM_Waveform_Analysis.jpg)
The above photo is a frequency analysis of the waveform.

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Stan_Meyer_Waveform2.jpg)
This is my representation of Stan's waveform as it is Amplitude Modulated over a 3 sec. period.



-Tony Woodside-
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 04:27:20 am
I think we should start gathering Puharich's patents, documents, videos and other information, from the water splitting and hearing technologies. The circuit he used for hearing is the same circuit used for his water splitting device.


With the combination of clues from Stan's work, and Puharich's work, it gives more details to complete the picture. There are clear similarities between the two processes, and then definite advancements in Stan's system. They both have a different style and perspective on the way to explain and go about activating the water splitting process. Same with Stephen, they all provide different clues, and information to this technology.


Understanding what is the same, and what is different between the devices of these people is only going to help us along in developing this process.


I have already confirmed with Tony the appearance of the 3980 Hz frequency activity in my 8XA set up.
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 06:06:43 am
Fortunately your not the first to know about this. There is already collections of his patents on many boards.
You may also be interested to know that Puharich's work was medically based as a means of removing blood clots, from memory.
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 06:25:45 am
Yea I've also known this for awhile. Just thought I would share what I know about this. I have a copy of a really interesting book that Puharich wrote that was never published. He explains a lot about his system and the frequencies being used, he later found out that the side bands created by his frequencies where 8Hz. He says this is a very important frequency in splitting the water molecule.

-Tony Woodside-
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 11:23:58 am
Holding the resonant frequency at 600 Hz is the gap distance between the   center electrode and the rim of the outer electrode.
Thanks for the diagrams and figures, TonyWoodside

What gap distance are we talking about here? Puharich was using a special designed "Thermodynamic Device" and droplets of water. Looks like Stans water injector type.

Also would it be nice to read unpublished material about Puharich work!

br,
Webmug
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 14:12:34 pm
Here are videos of puharich:
 
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1154.0.html (http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1154.0.html)
 
 
regards
Steve
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 15:52:04 pm
I think we should start gathering Puharich's patents, documents, videos and other information, from the water splitting and hearing technologies. The circuit he used for hearing is the same circuit used for his water splitting device.


With the combination of clues from Stan's work, and Puharich's work, it gives more details to complete the picture. There are clear similarities between the two processes, and then definite advancements in Stan's system. They both have a different style and perspective on the way to explain and go about activating the water splitting process. Same with Stephen, they all provide different clues, and information to this technology.


Understanding what is the same, and what is different between the devices of these people is only going to help us along in developing this process.


I have already confirmed with Tony the appearance of the 3980 Hz frequency activity in my 8XA set up.

Donald,
 
Can you please be more specific?
What do you mean with your confirmation of the 3980hz frequency?
Did you spot an increase of production?
 
Steve
 
 
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 18:18:11 pm
Webmug,

If I remember correctly the gap distance was 14mm.   Here is a link to a PDF copy of Puharich's unpublished book http://www.puharich.nl/Bio/Elf_Magnetic_model_of_matter_and_mind.pdf
He talks more about the water splitter starting around page 150.

-Tony Woodside-
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 19:51:11 pm
Tony Woodside , how do you expect to reach OU when the amplifier device will waste 30% as heat , thats in the best case . How are you going to build an AM generator and couple it to the cell via a transformer , its easy to just click and click set am generator at 1000 volts 0 degrees and voila ....

So far you have ignored my question so I will ignore this post in the future.
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 21:42:56 pm
If you look at Stan's circuits you will notice that his whole system is a type of AM transmitter. Study some communication circuits and you will see some of the same components as in Stan's circuits. The PLL circuit itself is modulating the frequencies. What Q did you ask that I ignored, maybe I can answer it for you?

-Tony Woodside-
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 21:58:05 pm
So my theory is that Meyer's combined the two technologies into one.  He used Puharich's AM waveforms and frequencies combined with Voltage Potential to increase the water splitting efficiency and to yield higher gas production.

-Tony Woodside-
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2010, 22:28:12 pm
I have already confirmed with Tony the appearance of the 3980 Hz frequency activity in my 8XA set up.

Donald,
 
Can you please be more specific?
What do you mean with your confirmation of the 3980hz frequency?
Did you spot an increase of production?
 
Steve


Sorry Steve, it wasn't the 8XA circuit, it was my latest VIC. Watch this video carefully and you will always see the biggest spike when it tunes into 3980 Hz.
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJvV4a2Gk4Q)
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Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2010, 06:50:12 am
Wow dankie you change teams more often then a 5 year old goes through girlfriends... You were advocating Stephen not too long ago as the real genius and now there is a 50/50 chance of him being a fraud...
 
I believe what dankie is trying to say with his post/s is that he cannot see how you can do it with the energy losses of conventionally availble parts for your application?
 
IF you can do it with frequency modulation you would need some seriousmodulation. This brings back memories of the harmonic atomizer people were playing with not to long ago...
 
Another point (this is from memory also) is that Puharich's work was to do with disolving clots in the brain, so i highly doubt that he was using tubes, more than likely probes (IMO) hence the water droplet tests.
 
You might be able to reduce your losses if you can be more specific with what you want. As there are large amount of losses with conventional AM modulators they also need to cover a large range of modulation. If you want to hit it with certain frequencies you "may" be able to reduce on those losses. First of all though you might want to take some baby steps and see if it can be done before working on your efficientcy.
 
As a side note the dielectric breakdown point of water with a thickness of 14mm is about 45kv. You would need marginally less if you just wanted to "strees" the molecule i guess.
Modulating 45kv will be difficult, modulating the ampere would be more dangerous than difficult i would think.
 
Either or, you reasearch is of great interest, to me atleast and i would greatly appreciate your on-going update, whether bad or good :)
 
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2010, 07:17:32 am
Yea I understand why some would be skeptic when it comes to something of such magnitude.   All of my research has lead me from Meyer to Puharich and back to Meyer.  Both of there systems are have too many similarities to be ignored.  I think this is why Meyer wouldn't let anyone test his system because they would see that he was doing the same as Puharich but with a twist.  Maybe he had fears of loosing his patent rights if this came out, I don't know, just my theory. 

Below is a simulation of the 8XA circuit using two frequencies instead of one. Look closely at the outputs, they look like AM too me and are very similar to the waveform of Meyer's that I have pictured in the above photos.  The frequencies I'm using in this simulation are based on Puharich's modulation index of 0.85.  I'm taking 3980 Hz and indexing it to 3383 Hz, so these are the two frequencies I'm feeding through an AND gate IC and then through a 7404 inverter IC and on to the optocoupler.

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/3980_3383_120.bmp)
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2010, 09:04:35 am
Hi Tony, how do you know that the waveforms you posted below are actualy Meyer`s ?
 
The pictures below are Stan Meyer's waveforms you be the judge to if he was copying Puharich's work!!!
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/SM_Waveform_1.jpg)
The above photo is the waveform generated by Stan Meyer's actual plate cell setup (8XA circuit).

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/SM_Waveform_Analysis.jpg)
The above photo is a frequency analysis of the waveform.

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Stan_Meyer_Waveform2.jpg)
This is my representation of Stan's waveform as it is Amplitude Modulated over a 3 sec. period.



-Tony Woodside-
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2010, 09:39:21 am
I have already confirmed with Tony the appearance of the 3980 Hz frequency activity in my 8XA set up.

Donald,
 
Can you please be more specific?
What do you mean with your confirmation of the 3980hz frequency?
Did you spot an increase of production?
 
Steve


Sorry Steve, it wasn't the 8XA circuit, it was my latest VIC. Watch this video carefully and you will always see the biggest spike when it tunes into 3980 Hz.
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJvV4a2Gk4Q)
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Donald,
 
Then the frequency peak we see on your analyser (very nice btw) is a comby of all components and could not have anything to do with water frequencys.
Am i right?
 
Steve
 
 
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2010, 14:07:46 pm
Why was my excellent posting deleted ? The truth hurts ? D

The truth is that there is only "hope" for the Stephen Meyers design or the Puharich cell . I berlieve Stephen had his patent rejected .

Rest was all incompleete and non-functionnal , aka Stan's VIC and theories .

I have replicated all the drivers for both , all can be found here . One is a big build , the other has a complicated electrodes .

I believe the Puharich amplifier was done with tubes .

Thats it for HHO , if you cannot see the logic and truth behind this then I will no longer waste my time debating something that will never have any consequence .
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 02, 2010, 17:38:44 pm
The first and second image below where audio analysis of from the video that Dynodon had posted from the Stan Meyer Estate #3 video, it's the waveform for around 950Hz.  The third image is what I think the waveform should look like at peak electrolysis from all my research.  So like I said, the 1st and second images are from Stan's actual equipment so it's the real deal. The closest I've came so far to replicating this is bye using 630 Hz mixed with 620Hz and the more promising 3980 Hz mixed with 3383 Hz. I just don't have a PLL like Stan's which controls the voltage amplitude.  Which most of Stan's components are obsolete now and most of the circuits can be cut down to single IC's.

-Tony Woodside-

Hi Tony, how do you know that the waveforms you posted below are actualy Meyer`s ?
 
The pictures below are Stan Meyer's waveforms you be the judge to if he was copying Puharich's work!!!
(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/SM_Waveform_1.jpg)
The above photo is the waveform generated by Stan Meyer's actual plate cell setup (8XA circuit).

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/SM_Waveform_Analysis.jpg)
The above photo is a frequency analysis of the waveform.

(http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoodside/Stan_Meyer_Waveform2.jpg)
This is my representation of Stan's waveform as it is Amplitude Modulated over a 3 sec. period.



-Tony Woodside-
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 27, 2010, 15:38:15 pm
Stan used two methods to split water...first and original method was by using a positive voltage on one plate/tube and a negative voltage on the other plate/tube....the second method involved a combination of his first method and a process known as NMR, Nuclear Magnetic Resonance!!!!!   http://www.GlobalKast.com
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 27, 2010, 23:08:02 pm
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Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2010, 02:57:07 am
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Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2010, 05:31:59 am

nice site tony.. it has a nice archive setup very accessible and simple..
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2010, 07:55:13 am
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Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 28, 2010, 15:43:12 pm
Stan leaves us clues to this with in his patent diagrams such as why does 90% of his drawings of the pulse trains have three pulses and then a gate? Let me see if I can explain this, in NMR there are two ways to apply the pulses, (1) you apply a 90° pulse and then apply a 180° pulse and then you gate for X time. (2) You apply three 90° pulses and then gate for X time.

So it looks like to me that Stan was applying the three 90° pulses and then gating. During the gated time the water will give an echo know as Spin Echo. Here is what the three 90° pulses do.

After the first 90° pulse, the magnetization vector is exchanging energy   through dipole, dipole interactions and in a time ?, forms what is   often referred to as a “pancake” in the x’-y’ plane. A further 90° pulse   is then applied such that our “pancake” is now in the x’-z’ plane. When   considering the two types of relaxation, spin – lattice and spin – spin   (T1 and T2) we assume the former to take an infinite amount of time as   such allowing the spin vectors to precess about the z axis. Now, the   angle each spin makes with the z’ axis is equal to the angle it   previously made about the y’ axis. At this point any change in angle   that now takes place will require a change in energy thus implying a   spin – lattice interaction is necessary. This implies a permanent memory   of the state of the system as it was at time ?. After a further time ?2   a third pulse is applied and our Magnetization vector is back in the x’   – y’ plane and will lie in the same direction as for a (90 – ? – 180)   spin echo sequence. Then after final delay of ? we   see what is commonly referred to as a stimulated echo. This technique is   commonly used when studying T1 relaxation times. This is because by   measuring the magnitude of the correct echo and its decay with pulse   width separation we can determine T1. The echo magnitude will depend on   the relation, exp(-?2/T1).

Another think I would like to point out is something known as "Magic Angle". The magic angle is a precisely defined angle, the value of which is approximately 54.74°.  It's funny that this angle is half the angle of the water molecule which is 109°28'.  Two nuclei with an internuclear vector at an angle of ?m to a strong external magnetic field, have zero dipolar coupling, D(?m)=0. Magic angle spinning (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_angle_spinning) is a technique in solid-state NMR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_NMR) which employs this principle to remove or reduce dipolar couplings.

This is just a part of the NMR process and there is a lot more to it. There is a lot of physics involved here. I'm still working everything out, so this is an ongoing project.

-Tony Woodside-
 
Title: Re: What I Think Stan is Doing
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 30, 2010, 14:56:41 pm
You are doing a great job Tony, NMR is very important, so I thought I could add some information about the water molecule itself if this information helps. This site probably got the best info on it's property and in case someone need the info also.
http://www.btinternet.com/~martin.chaplin/index2.html (http://www.btinternet.com/~martin.chaplin/index2.html)