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Title: Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2010, 01:50:08 am
I now have warps set up, it arrived in the mail today, I'll be testing it soon, and warp, maybe we can have a chat on msn and i'll see if I can get your high voltage results again.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2010, 13:05:12 pm
awsome
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 03:42:44 am
IT WORKS!!!!

over 2000 volts across the tubes, maxing out the meter, a little bit of gas production, the light lights up!


dark video... sorry, i'll make a better one soon.

It works!!!
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 05:16:39 am
Thats a nice first video Donald

If it quaks like a Meyers and looks like a Meyers its probably a Meyers .

Case solved , Hydro kinda got ignored because it just doesnt produce 20Lpm with amazing rocket flame for 5 watts .

Seeing this makes me all sad and happy @ the same time , wish theyd be jumbo gas yet there it is , 2000 volts between 2 metal gaps with no coating on and regular water . Get that nice frequency that resonates with the water and you will succeed , like Hydro says . I for one believe that multiple frequencies are used , the total signal has sidebands if you will , sidebands are like component wave form , and I believe that the gating itself was more than just gating , yes there was gating for quantity control , but it was really other gating , he was probably gating the gated pulse trains is what I wanna say , gating was not used for just volume control . A couple of quotes from Stan just give me eery feelings about the gating , he callss for it being multiples of the frequency somewhere .

One thing that is similar with Puharich , Stephen , Stan , Rife .

Both Puharich, Stephen , use heavy sideband signals , Stan uses none but a single frequency ? I think not ....




If that thing works with square waves you should try my dc pulser , I believe I have posted it in A thread by Sebosfato of working resonance something , unfortunately i dont have that paint image saved since my hard drive died .

What kinda of water is that anyways
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 05:52:50 am
Tap water, I will try distilled tomorrow.

I've been playing around with different configurations, and nothing else is working like that original set up in the video, i've been getting lots of different high voltage readings, and measuring between different places trying to understand it better.

Without the small chokes, it doesn't produce gas, hook it up backwards, no gas, no set up transformer, no gas, no diode, no gas

The power supply is 12 volt at max 2 amps, but measuring it is more like 9-10 volts, I'm going to play with this some more and see if i can get something on a scope, if i can get a hold of a scope.

The frequency range appears to be small, not the full audio range, I can't find resonance anywhere, I imagine if i can find the resonant frequency then the gas production would increase a lot, also gating like you mentioned... no gating on this circuit either
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 10:31:08 am
Fantastic step, Donald!

Steve
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 14:51:20 pm
Tap water, I will try distilled tomorrow.

I've been playing around with different configurations, and nothing else is working like that original set up in the video, i've been getting lots of different high voltage readings, and measuring between different places trying to understand it better.

Without the small chokes, it doesn't produce gas, hook it up backwards, no gas, no set up transformer, no gas, no diode, no gas

The power supply is 12 volt at max 2 amps, but measuring it is more like 9-10 volts, I'm going to play with this some more and see if i can get something on a scope, if i can get a hold of a scope.

The frequency range appears to be small, not the full audio range, I can't find resonance anywhere, I imagine if i can find the resonant frequency then the gas production would increase a lot, also gating like you mentioned... no gating on this circuit either
Nice Donald !

Also find out what capacitance your WFC cell is (calculate it for one cell).
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1305.msg14449.html#msg14449
Then you can choose (match) a choke for resonance with your WFC cell in a fixed frequency range (step-up transformer)
http://www.see.ed.ac.uk/~jwp/radio/software/lc-calc.html
Then the frequency range of the step-up transformer. Can it step-up voltage for the necessary resonance frequency? Impedance matching?

There are still questions, what kind of input signal is used for the step-up transformer. Is it pulsed or sine wave signal?
Remember: when you have a pulse signal on resonance with only the step-up transformer you have max. voltage? One resonance frequency! All added harmonics form a sine wave signal from the pulse signal. Still I do not understand resonance with the WFC chokes and WFC cell on this frequency in combination with a step-up transformer?

As you may remember, I'm working on a isolated resonance cell, but my progress is slow. Not everyone has a lathe at home...

br,
Webmug
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 15:54:08 pm
Here are some more comments:

I attached a wire from the ground of the power supply to the connection in between the secondary and the bottom choke, and this produced gas as well

I added my chokes in series after warps chokes before the cell and it still produced gas, and would light up the light

I removed warps chokes and just used my chokes and it still made gas, and still maxed the meter, lights up

I removed all chokes and just has the step up transformer, and this produced gas but would not light the light, still some high voltage readings

I measured the resistance of warps coils
Primary: ~1.7 ohms
Other Primary, unused: ~1.7 ohms
Secondary: ~59 ohms

Chokes: ~1.7 ohms both wires

I don't know how many turns or wire gage yet.

Thanks for the tips webmug, I'll get some measurements soon, I imagine the resonant frequency is out of the range of this pulsing circuit
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 17:17:28 pm
Maybe the transformer itself it out of range of that particular setup , resonance cant be much farther than 20 Khz with a big  cell like that .

Usually the core  material is really important , transformer cant be too big also .
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 17:56:52 pm
Hi donald

You should have at least the coils inductances and at least a guess on what is the capacitance of your cell. Then you will find easier the resonance. However i think you have too much resistance on there to have a reasonable resonance...
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 18:12:52 pm
Tap water, I will try distilled tomorrow.

I've been playing around with different configurations, and nothing else is working like that original set up in the video, i've been getting lots of different high voltage readings, and measuring between different places trying to understand it better.

Without the small chokes, it doesn't produce gas, hook it up backwards, no gas, no set up transformer, no gas, no diode, no gas

The power supply is 12 volt at max 2 amps, but measuring it is more like 9-10 volts, I'm going to play with this some more and see if i can get something on a scope, if i can get a hold of a scope.

The frequency range appears to be small, not the full audio range, I can't find resonance anywhere, I imagine if i can find the resonant frequency then the gas production would increase a lot, also gating like you mentioned... no gating on this circuit either
There is no resonant frequency with a blocking diode. The diode is there to prevent resonant action, the frequency doesn't matter anymore, it's only for changing the reactance of the coil and therefore current/voltage regulation.
The Richie Burnett link explains this.

Nice video though! Can't wait for any information about current / voltage to the cell  :D
Also choke-material (┬Ár) would be awesome to know, ferrite core or whatever it is.

Quote
Instead of choosing the charging inductor and capacitor values based entirely on the intended rotary firing rate, the designer can now choose values based on the desired charging profile, peak charging current, etc. This is because the natural resonance in the charging circuit has been "killed-off" by the insertion of the diode inside the resonant circuit. Any link between the natural resonant frequency of the charging circuit, and the firing rate of the rotary gap has been removed.

The operator now has freedom in their choice of spark gap firing rate, provided that they allow the minimum time required between firings for the capacitor to complete its charging operation. This permits very slow repetition rates to be evaluated without any extinction frequencies, or high Q-oscillations building up in the charging circuit.
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 18:24:38 pm
Still trying things, I don't really have the proper equipment to take the measurements i need, I'll get help with this soon.

If you don't use the diode, this circuit doesn't work... i just tried connecting the choke before the diode and it cuts out the power supply due to its internal safety features, and if you have it hooked up after the diode it works, then shorting out the diode with a pair of pliers also trips off the power supply.

My meter jumps around or even stays maxed out, so i can't really compare voltages from one place to another because it's maxed pretty much everywhere, i'll need better equipment.

The big step up transformer is getting warm... maybe even hot, could this be from improper frequency range? or improper wire size? The power supply puts out 2 amps max, but if it is pulling less than that, or anywhere in the range i can't really tell...

With the light in series with either of the connections before the cell it wont produce gas, but the light is bright, and hv can still max out the meter across the cell or even across the light

It would be great to narrow down some numbers to have a actual analysis of this circuit.

And I shocked myself, gave me a little surprise but nothing serious at all, I wouldn't want to keep my fingers where they were, but over all i've been touching different wires and connecting different things while it's on and that isn't causing me much trouble
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 18:32:17 pm
Still trying things, I don't really have the proper equipment to take the measurements i need, I'll get help with this soon.

If you don't use the diode, this circuit doesn't work... i just tried connecting the choke before the diode and it cuts out the power supply due to its internal safety features, and if you have it hooked up after the diode it works, then shorting out the diode with a pair of pliers also trips off the power supply.

My meter jumps around or even stays maxed out, so i can't really compare voltages from one place to another because it's maxed pretty much everywhere, i'll need better equipment.

The big step up transformer is getting warm... maybe even hot, could this be from improper frequency range? or improper wire size? The power supply puts out 2 amps max, but if it is pulling less than that, or anywhere in the range i can't really tell...

With the light in series with either of the connections before the cell it wont produce gas, but the light is bright, and hv can still max out the meter across the cell or even across the light

It would be great to narrow down some numbers to have a actual analysis of this circuit.

And I shocked myself, gave me a little surprise but nothing serious at all, I wouldn't want to keep my fingers where they were, but over all i've been touching different wires and connecting different things while it's on and that isn't causing me much trouble
if you have 2000V/10mA at the cell (just a random value) then you are inputting 10V/2A into the primary, which would cause the transformer to get hot.
does your power supply switch off automatically if you would pull more than 2 amps? if not it may give out more amps but overheat in the end and be destroyed.

You could put 5 Megaohm resistors in series and measure the voltage over one of them, when the 5 resistors are wired in parallel to what you want to measure. the meter will show only a part of the voltage, which you'd have to calculate depending on your resistor value but it's a common technique to measure larger voltages. don't forget to isolate the resistors properly though otherwise there could be sparks.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 19:00:59 pm
Yes the power supply kicks out automatically when I do something it doesn't like, it says max 2 amps on the label, so i am assuming when i draw more than that it shuts off, and i have to unplug it and wait a few seconds, then plug it in again, i assume to let the capacitors inside bleed off their charge to reset it.

I don't have any megaohm resistors, but i'll see if i can find some.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 21:59:43 pm
Here is a video with my chokes, this may even visually appear to be more gas, or about the same... my chokes are wound bifilar, warps chokes are not, just on top of each other, not sure what difference that will make.


I counted about 53 turns for the outside layer on warps chokes, the other layer is under electrical tape.
My chokes have 56 turns for each wire, although much thicker 18 gage.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 22:13:39 pm
I'm noticing that my chokes are showing a much more stable voltage reading, and changing frequency will change the voltage, i can get it to be stable within about 100 volts, and adjust the frequency to go from the 100 volt range to the 200 volt range to the 300 volt range and so on up to the 900 volt range and then it starts to blank out the meter. The voltage will go up then down then up as i adjust frequency, there might appear to be some frequencies that the chokes like more.

I think bifilar chokes with more turns would be nice to try in this set up.
Also a scope would be dandy to see what this is really doing.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 23:10:29 pm
I took a coil of 30 feet, 18 gage speaker wire, which is bifilar, and un-wrapped it so i could get the bottom end out, then re-wrapped it, and put my big fly back core around it, which just happened to fit nicely. Not sure how many turns... I could have counted but didn't, not sure how many layers either.

Hooked it up, maxes out the volt meter at every frequency, can't get a reading at all... it's making some gas.

My other chokes have about 15 feet for each wire, 56 turns, so this coil might have 100 turns give or take a bunch.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 28, 2010, 23:39:07 pm
Another video

Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 02:04:01 am
Excellent work Donald and Warp! Thank you for the info!
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 06:21:05 am
interresting effect , my multimeter fluke type  stays at the same voltage no matter the frequency of a 50/50 pulse wave , voltage obviously stays the same , but that looks to me like the voltage is going up as you turn the freq.o erroneous measuring by the meter .
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 06:27:22 am
I imagine the voltage is changing with the freq.

More videos on my channel, splitting distilled water

Here's one of the new ones:
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 08:09:16 am
My memory is bad, But if it serves me right,,, Do not go over Half a Amp Dynoden, or 0.7 "To the best of my memory."

There is Little current flow to the coil transformer at the Frequency.

I never ran the circuit to the point the fet would heat, Never. Also, I completely Forgot about the second choke I had wrapped around the small choke,, Do not use that. From the best of my memory,, Use the Smaller Primary on the transformer. The polarity of the Transformer must be right as well as the output polarity. The choke goes after the negative, Not after the diode. The Ground, It goes inbetween the choke and transformer.

Also, When kilivolts are across the cell, No amp flow is present, A Analogue voltage meter can not be used, I'm not 100% sure you can use a digital one either. Research The test lamp, How many volts does it take to excite the atoms in the tube on startup. Those atoms in the tube is triggered by voltage. I'm thinking when you hit a certain point, You'll realize why the voltage meters don't do so well. Note, I mentioned before about the coil in the voltage meter being in parallel with the fuel  cell and how it affected the circuit, it throws it off when you add the anolugue meters coil to the circuit. The digital meter is also hit by Rf waves, You may even get a 500 amp reading, It can not be trusted. You'll have to use scientific methods to determine that the voltage is indeed high. I hope you hit this voltage potential, Put the Bulb i sent In parallel with the Tube cell, let it light. "Play with the Right pot more than the left." and try to stay away from 2 or more amps, I don't recall going over half amp, perhaps ((360 MA)). The lamp tends to bring the Voltage down, Use the Light to gain such voltage, Remove it to examine the circuit.

Also Dynodon, You can see Plasma between the Ground Point and the ground wire when being arced, And when the ground wire isn't present, Sometimes you can see sparks from the tip of your finger to where the ground point is when the ground is not connected. Turn the lighting down to try and see this.

EDIT,, Tune the left pot to a Farly High Freq, Almost maxed, But not all the way. Tune the right pot afterwords to crawl upward, you should hit a point around 300 MA to 400 MA, Play in those areas.

Please do not overlook, those pots should have been replaced as well. They have dead spots in them if they're the ones I sent. Its ok to play with 2 amps briefly, But it can be sit to run overnight at what I stated, the millamp range.

When I ran the circuit, I used Millamps, For great videos Its ok to turn up the current. But the Honest circuit doesn't use very much current.

I am not sure which Primary coil I used, I'm thinking the small one, I just can not remember anything about that setup. Have fun with it, And read what I qouted.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 08:39:06 am
Before I forget. Don't get your heart set on that big Brick of a transformer you have. Its a Dead core.

If you remove the wire from the choke of mine you have, (72 or 74 wraps) you can wire a very small secondary on there first, with a 24 gauge primary over that. Then you will have a step up transformer more powerful than the big transformer you're using now. Only Do this if you are certain you can gain Kilo volts across many tubes with "other chokes." So don't sacrafice My choke unless you're sure you have another choke that will perform the same or close.

The current transformer you're using is not a good step up transformer, It is weak. We are currently seeing somewhere around 2k volts, 200kv should be targeted later on.

Also note, U will always get the light to work on 1 of the terminals when testing the choke. A Good choke will light the light on Both terminals, Not just one. And also, the lite should be Connected Directly in parallel with the fuel cell, No matter the number of tubes used it should glow. Current flow is forbidded in this setup.

When the voltage is present, there is no current flow.
when the current is present, there is no voltage potential.
The current, and the voltage appears to oscillate, Missing each other.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 11:44:25 am
Don I noticed that you are using a tv flyback core as the chokes core. And you are having hv across  the water cap.  So we can clearly confirm that the core material is noting special. Tv flybacks can be easily salvaged. Also I suggest that you try another voltmeter to be sure, or oscilloscope with a hv probe.

Regards
Hmask
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 16:29:52 pm
Yes I have a bunch of flyback cores, I'll be using them for most of my testing for the next while, they are free, and if they work, then that's perfect. When I get some better results I will buy some cores and design some coils based on what i've learned.

Thanks warp, I'll take a closer look at that step up transformer, first i'll wind my own, then i may consider opening up yours to look inside, and maybe rewind it.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 16:48:13 pm
He don
don`t forget to remove the gap of the flyback cores !
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 16:58:26 pm
Yea I don't have any gap on them.

I just tried the step up transformer, without chokes, still distilled water, and it is making gas, I want to figure out what that step up transformer is doing...
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 17:16:30 pm
Step-up transformer and no chokes, still voltage goes above 1000v on meter?
What is the frequency  at voltage buildup ?
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 17:32:17 pm
Not sure what the frequency is, I can change the frequency all through the range and still get high voltage.

Check this out, this is weird. I can measure 11 volts in between the terminals on the power supply, and then when I connect the circuit to power it up, the voltage between the terminals on the power supply jumps to 400-600-800 volts and so on. The high voltage is even on the primary winding, and going back through to the power supply.

I don't know what's going on with this step up transformer, but I might have to open it up and see how it works.

Stan does say in the New Zealand video that the chokes can be varied from 0 up to 2000 volts, so no chokes still makes sense according to that.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 17:37:47 pm
Ok wait a minute,

When I move the volt meter around, pick it up and move it away from the cell, or near the cell, or near the transformer, the reading changes, I think I am getting some interference.

I am going to keep the volt meter away form the cell and try my experiments again.

I have been able to get the light to light up as i touch it directly to the bolt terminals on my cell.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 18:13:20 pm
the meters cannot be trusted with non sinewave ac or dc voltages. you'd need an oscilloscope or do a simple neon tube test.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 18:37:55 pm
Do you think that the core material has something to do with this effect?
Try to wined the transformer on the same fback core  used for the chokes.
Try using same awg and number of turns for the primary and seconday. I think it was 24awg primary and 36awg secondary.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 19:41:20 pm
yea, I'll try and make my own step up transformer, not sure the turns he used, but i'll use a small flyback core and see what it can do.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 19:43:36 pm
wouldn't it be better to evaluate first that the gas is from voltage and not from current? doesn't look like it's soo much gas.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 21:17:13 pm
Hi donald

can you please make an schematic drawing of what you are testing exactly? add where you are measuring voltage and amperage too please.

This way we can understand better what are you doing.

regards
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 21:26:21 pm
wouldn't it be better to evaluate first that the gas is from voltage and not from current? doesn't look like it's soo much gas.

The fact that  there is high voltage  across the water-gap (dead short condition), is a giant step in solving this technology. This is the way to go!
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 22:00:24 pm
sebosfato, anyone who knows anything about Stan's Water Fuel Cell knows exactly what I'm doing. This is called the Voltage Intensifier Circuit, and the videos are perfectly clear.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 29, 2010, 23:03:14 pm
I know donald

sorry for ask

just din't find it that clear... for me you are having something strange going with your meters...
When i was trying my recirculating current theory, i noticed many times 80kv everywhere but wasn't true...  was the meters wrong because i was not using ground 

here you see a video i did today with a full wave rectified 220v from wall into the water using a two cylinders one inside the other. Now i want to add my pulse circuit in the middle to apply hi frequency and try to find some resonance....

It start with 10 amps and than when water gets hot it drops to 5

Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2010, 00:34:51 am
I seen where you stated that you still got high voltage across the cell without the chokes, But you didn't say what type of water you was using. Distilled water allows high voltages.

Do you get high voltages across the cell when the cell contains TAP water? Is your tap water cleaner than the normal?

Try the step up without the chokes on "Tap water" and report back, Then try the same with chokes.

I stated for yall to use the chokes on Tap water, or a "conductive" water load, And with HV light in parallel. The lite should light proving high voltage across conductive water. If you remove My choke, The light should Not light.

Leave the conductive water, and the lite in parallell and then try your own chokes to see if they are worthy, I doubt most of the chokes you have will work.


GET THE BULB TO LIGHT IN PARALLEL WITH THE FUEL CELL CONTAING A CONDUCTIVE TYPE WATER. HOW MANY CHOKES DO YOU HAVE THAT WILL ALLOW THIS?

Of course, voltage will go high on distilled water, "its not very conductive."

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Gas Production is not important, You're looking at the voltage across the Conductive Tap water. How much voltage can you put across the tap water? And,,,,

Can you Do it without the use of my choke? Meaning Try your own chokes with the lite in parallel to see if its what you thought.

Again, Leave the Distilled water alone until you're on the right track, distilled or clean is confusing you.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2010, 01:38:24 am
Will do, thanks

I counted the turns on one of the primaries on the step up transformer:
80 turns
0.022" dia wire
about 24 feet of wire
about 1.5 ohms resistance

The other primary is covered in tape, but it has about the same resistance, and 0.030" dia

The chokes are also 0.022" dia wire
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2010, 05:36:34 am
I quoted myself, Remove that crappy choke on the choke core I sent. I completely forgot I left that on there. The choke under the tape is what I used, the one over that is where I was just playing with. I don't recommend Biffilar. Just use the 1 choke under the tape and forget the other one.

Please remember, Conductive Tap water, If you have water thats too clean add salt or something. You are proving high voltage in a dead short condition as stan states. We are not looking at gas production here. We are looking at the (potential) which MAY contain an push pull effect on the (Atomic Level.)

Once the water has voltage across it, (you can play with the voltage) to whatever freq you desire. Also, this circuit doesn't put 200 Thousand volts across the water, about 2k.

Once this circuit is understood, A higher potential circuit should be  constructed. I hope you can point out the voltage behavior across tap water with and without the choke, and by removing my choke and trying your own chokes. See how many chokes you can get to work.

As I recall, finding the choke to gain such voltages across tap water is not easy at all, its like finding a needle in a haystack. Perhaps you have a Gold mine of great chokes? If you find some that works as mine works, Please do feel free to share with someone else so they can Too experience this.

We want to know if you can find a choke to like the bulb in parallel with your cells. This is what I am waiting to hear from you, I'm excited to hear if you have any chokes there that can do this across the tap water, Because As I said I tested many chokes and only that very one choke worked the rest Failed!

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As I mentioned, that big transformer is (Weak.) The choke I sent was on a step up transformer, And it was a (Very Nasty) one. It is not really a Bigger setup that will gain the applied 200k, it is the Rato and choke. You see,

You're using a sorry transformer with a great choke, I know that transformer is weak. But, The choke is no good without a transformer. The transformer was removed from the core and a choke was inserted on it, (Voltage potential came.)

The choke core can only hold under 570 wraps of 36 awg, it cant be a ratio of 6. You see, A bigger core would be needed to go to greater voltage potentials, But the big transformer is nothing compared to the little one. The Target goal here is to find the proper cores so you can get whatever size core you desire. Once you establish this foundation you can start making super vic's/Powerfull.


The Tested Choke under the Black Tap may very well contain (Arc areas from abuse.) This can stall voltage points. I admit smoking that choke contained on that core, its arced out but still works. If you replace the wire on the core just the way I have it, you may get higher readings, or you may not. Voltage is produced by the choke and surrounds the choke during operation, Laying it on a table could fry it, Which is why I wrapped it just before I sent it to dynoden.

There are a Few Basics you must learn with (Tap water) before you move on to Distilled.
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So the choke I sent was once a very powerfull transformer, It almost had a ratio of 6 just as in stans patents. Its no longer a transformer. If you manage to find a choke that works up to what i state, Then take my core and turn it back into a transformer, the circuit will be powerful.

Chokes of this type try to arc, Protective coating gets blown off the wire and it starts to arc, which is what happened to that choke core you have. When it arcs it lowers the voltage, its probably arcing under the tap and you don't see it.

Grounds is important, as mentioned. Arcs can shock you at ground points. There is allot to be learned from this circuit.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2010, 06:40:55 am
I think my chokes are lowering the voltage coming out of the step up transformer. Which is why I want to do a careful analysis of it. Chokes should increase voltage even more. The volt meter I have is not going to do the trick... I am going to need a way to read higher voltages accurately, and try a scope.

Tomorrow I will change the water back to tap water, maybe even add some salt to that, and see what it does for keeping the voltage high across the gap. I'll also see if I can get some wire to make a step up transformer of my own to compare, using a flyback core.

Can you comment on the diode? Where is it from? what ratings?

I tried some tests with the light in parallel, and your chokes, with distilled, and it kind of works but it's touchy to how I hook it up, there are two probes on each end of the light, so i can hook the choke wires to one probe on each end, and then hook the cell wires to the other probe on each end, and that lights, but not if the cell wires touch the choke wires... i'll keep playing with it and adjusting it, the light was getting really hot if i run it after the chokes all by itself without the cell attached, then the light is the full load

It would also be nice to get a ammeter on my input from the power supply to see what that is doing...

I wont unwrap your chokes or transformer until I learn more about them as they are and am sure I can make an improvement on them.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2010, 07:51:28 am
Don't add salt just yet.

1. Do not use your Voltage Meter, (Get rid of it.) Don't use any meter for now. You do not need a meter yet. (The light is telling you if voltage is present of not, Not the meter.)
2. Keep the Light in parallel with the cell containing tap water at all times.
3. As I mentioned, Tune as I described in my Early response to this thread!!!
4. REMEMBER, I pointed an (isolated earth ground out,)  Perhaps you should Play with the Ground area and note the difference, and the effect the ground has. As you mentioned it is touchy. Many many times the circuit would fail to work without the proper ground.

Please dedicate more time trying to follow my instructions rather than Playing around, This will get you where you need to be quicker, Then when you get there you'll have all the time in the world to play, and change things around.

But, you have not Clearly

1. Shown my circuit properly connected to fuel cells in (Parallel) containing (Tap water) with a (HV) light ((((((((((((there in parallel with the parallel cells.))))))))))))))
2. The ground, Which helps the circuit start.

Once you manage to do that, and see that it works and lights the bulb, you should then try different chokes and try to get the same performance, And determine by doing so that the choke I sent is indeed abnormal.

Most of the RF waves is coming from the Primary coil of the transformer, this is ((one)) reason your meter will not work. Try placing a calculator by the circuit, You'll notice it comming on and going off, even with no batterys. You might notice near by electronics doing funny things. If you start to get electric shocks in your brain at night or during the day, (Stop with it) for a while.

The light is to show you voltage is there, You don't need a meter to determine this. Once you understand voltage is there the bulb can be removed from the circuit as it pulls the voltage down and affects the total voltage potential.

The light is a ((Tool)) not a component in the circuit.
Rather than using a meter, Research the Minimum amount of voltage required to light that bulb, (That's better than any meter.) You see.

This is somewhat of a slow process, It would go much quicker if you take the time to read over some of my recommendations, Things could get ruled in and out a whole lot quicker.

Perhaps if you had a proper earth ground, you wouldn't be near 2 amps? As i mentioned I only used Millamps to get the circuit to operate, BUT for videoing its understandable to turn it up and make the light brighter. The light does induce stress on the circuit and is for demonstrations only.

Lets get something moving and confirmed here. Lets start by determining if that choke is special, To do that we must follow the given instructions.

FOR RIGHT NOW, you don't need any voltage meters, SCOPES or anything, You don't need this stuff at this moment. FIRST understand what you have. Then later on in the (future) start investigating why it does what it does.

First, you have to determine that it is unique.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2010, 08:02:21 am
If you hotted that lamp you need to get a new one, you could have damaged the atoms inside. Test this lamp with an HV source to determine that its still up to par or else it will leave you scratching your head. If the lamp has abnormal colors its probably ruined. The gas wont excite properly.

If your lucky the lamp is still good, The lamp is a tool, and when abused the tool doesn't perform afterwords.

You're doing great work, Just hang in there. I also recommended replacement of the pots due to dead spots, that could very well make things smoother if you decide to replace them. 
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2010, 11:21:19 am
does the neon tube have an internal choke? without it's very dangerous because of the negative inner resistance of the tube after switched on. (first signs are that the tube is getting hot)
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2010, 18:29:48 pm
does the neon tube have an internal choke? without it's very dangerous because of the negative inner resistance of the tube after switched on. (first signs are that the tube is getting hot)

He connected the source directly to the tube, With no cell present. Not sure if its damaged or not. It depends on how long he ran it that way.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2010, 19:10:45 pm
Ok, I think I know what is going on and why you see HV right after the chokes.

have you measured or connected the FL tube closer to the WFC it self? I think if u connect the meter or the FL right at the tubes you will not see any HV.

the reason for this is that the wires between the chokes and the cell it self as some inductance properties and most likely the pulses out of the chokes are very sharp and if you able to check the pulse on time, it will be similar in duration as very high frequency pulsing, in the GHz. So a long wire will behave like an inductor.

 
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2010, 19:56:50 pm
I have touched the light directly to the bolt terminals on the cell and light it up.

Sorry for the short reply, I'm going to sort out some more stuff and then i'll post back.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 30, 2010, 23:43:52 pm
Ok here's the results from the latest tests, follow along carefully to the explanation, I tested a lot of things and I'm not putting up a video of any of this right now.

The set up is:
12 volt, max 2 amp computer power supply, measuring about 10 volts out
warps pulsing circuit
warps step up transformer
warps chokes
the cell, with short connection wires for you jolt
I have the light suspended in the air from wires in parallel to the cell.
distilled water (did not change it yet)

This will produce gas.
This will not light the light. Not even if i touch it with my fingers, or lay it on the table.

Add Isolated Ground: a direct connection to another wall outlet ground plug to the node of the secondary and negative choke.

This will produce gas.
This will only light the light if I touch it with my fingers, or if I lay it on the table.

Voltage measurements:
I put the meter near the floor, away from any interference, these readings are as reliable as they are, no interference at all.

Black Ground probe is connected to the isolated ground connection (for all these measurements)
Red probe to ground on computer power supply: 180 volts
Red probe to "12 volts" on computer power supply: 190 volts ( = 10 volts from power supply)
Oddly there is 180 volts between each ground...

Red probe to positive tube: 800-900 volts
Red probe to negative tube: 800-900 volts

Also: directly across cell or light: max out meter... turn off circuit: voltage drops to ~2 volts and will light LED if LED is positioned in the correct orientation
The cell holds  capacitive charge

Remove warps chokes and try each of mine: produces gas, no light at all
Measure across cell: ~13 volts with speaker wire chokes
Measure across cell: ~15 volts with other chokes

 


Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2010, 01:29:15 am
Having the "Isolated ground" connected to a different ground outlet is having the same effects with the light when i attach it to the computer power supply ground, so the interesting thing is that the secondary/choke should be grounded.

Also, i can have the secondary grounded to the power supply ground, and the second choke grounded to the other wall outlet, that works too.

I opened up the cap on the cell and stuck a wire into the water, then attached the light to the end of that wire, and it lights up when i touch it, able to measure high voltage across the light and to the water from ground...

so the water is... charged? it's distilled so it's an insulator, and the voltage travels through the water... wave guide? electric field traveling through the water bath... maybe why Delrin is used to contain it to the water gap

i turned on my computer speakers, and they make the same sound as the frequency from the circuit when close by, picking up the interference from the em-waves

What is going on with your chokes warp!?... and your step up transformer... they are doing interesting things...!

Some day i'm going to take this outside and shove a metal rod into the ground and test that as a real earth ground, see what that does for me.

Still have yet to change back to tap water, then i can do all these tests again.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2010, 02:58:06 am
The Primary side of the circuit and the secondary side of the circuit shouldn't share grounds, "I Think" I am not sure, Please Google and Research what Isolated Ground means, As an Isolated ground is what stan says to use.

U shouldn't be testing with distilled just yet. Don't forget to place a little Calculator near the circuit just for fun..
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2010, 03:40:24 am
I'll take the distilled out tomorrow.

I just tried testing 4 different diodes, they all worked, and they all gave MUCH more gas production, i'd say 3-5x as much gas production, the first one was a microwave diode, but it got really hot, then i tested 3 others that i took out of various electronic items, i was impressed with the bubbles, it looks cool.

I don't know anything about your diode, i haven't seen others like it before, haven't looked up the tech sheets on these diodes yet either, but it's another part of the system to evaluate and understand.

One thing i'd like to do is see if i can measure or listen or determine any frequency doubling on the choke side...

Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2010, 04:02:01 am
Light in parallel, isolated ground


it's only lit because it's laying on the table, if i lift it into the air i have to touch it to make it light
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2010, 07:44:31 am
You see, you're already making progress. What you stated.

1. Voltage potential doesn't appear until an certain area on the light is touched.

2. You are learning that the fuel cell is possibly missing something. For Example, when you alter the lamp you cause a potential to form on both electrodes of the lamp, The lamp lights.

Perhaps the potential wants to appear across the water and is unstable, Perhaps the water may be missing something. If you touch the water is it then possible for the voltage to appear across both terminals just as it did across the lamp.

Did stan not draw a confusing 0 Ground in his schematics that is commonly overlooked, Just as the Isolated ground has been overlooked.

In many of stans drawings there is no Choke Isolated ground.
In many of stans drawings there is no Water isolated ground.

When you stack the drawings, Both the water isolated ground, and choke isolated ground appears where they need to be. There is more to this than meets the eye.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2010, 12:08:22 pm
Hi Don,

So then we can confirm that the choke core Warp sent you is indeed special and allowing HV across the cell?
Did you tried the flyback core?, it should be well suited for those frequencies! try same amount of turns and use same wire gauge as Warps choke and see if it works.

If that only one core does the magic, then we will all find a hard time in replicating this!
Damn I really want to replicate this! 
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2010, 16:01:18 pm
Good point warp! I will try another test with grounded water too, and play with that for a while.

mask, yes i'll try some things like that, but also, warps step up transformer seems to be doing interesting things too, so it's not just his chokes... more to learn... we'll figure this out.

I think it would be helpful if you guys made some suggestions and shared thoughts more often, maybe that would bring about a new way of looking at things and then try new experiments to find things out.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2010, 19:56:13 pm
You see, you're already making progress. What you stated.

1. Voltage potential doesn't appear until an certain area on the light is touched.

2. You are learning that the fuel cell is possibly missing something. For Example, when you alter the lamp you cause a potential to form on both electrodes of the lamp, The lamp lights.

Perhaps the potential wants to appear across the water and is unstable, Perhaps the water may be missing something. If you touch the water is it then possible for the voltage to appear across both terminals just as it did across the lamp.

Did stan not draw a confusing 0 Ground in his schematics that is commonly overlooked, Just as the Isolated ground has been overlooked.

In many of stans drawings there is no Choke Isolated ground.
In many of stans drawings there is no Water isolated ground.

When you stack the drawings, Both the water isolated ground, and choke isolated ground appears where they need to be. There is more to this than meets the eye.
This was the point I got confused, when I had the same thing going on. Touching the FL in parallel with the WFC the light was brighter too. Looks like there's a electrical leak/short (no capacitance) in the WFC cell or something.

@Donald,
When I put my finger in the middle of the FL the FL is lit from + to -, when not touched the middle part of the FL was not lit!
A little of center to the + and only from + to my finger is lit, the same is for - to my finger.
Also the WFC/FL signal could be measured without connecting my probe to a wire at the WFC/FL to get readings. (holding it in front of the glass bottle)

br,
Webmug
 
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2010, 21:27:40 pm
Sounds good webmug, I didn't realise you were doing these tests too, what else have you tried?
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2010, 22:43:03 pm
What core are you using Webmug?
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 01, 2010, 23:18:59 pm
What core are you using Webmug?
I tested two setups a few months ago:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1228.msg13055.html#msg13055
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1228.msg13658.html#msg13658
The core material: 50 s/s rods.

br,
Webmug
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 02, 2010, 04:01:43 am
Ah yes, i remember now, what is your current status?
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 02, 2010, 10:35:52 am
You are doing a great job, Donald!
Just want you to know that. 8)

regards
Steve
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 02, 2010, 22:01:47 pm
Weldind stainless steel rods
304?


What core are you using Webmug?
I tested two setups a few months ago:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1228.msg13055.html#msg13055
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1228.msg13658.html#msg13658
The core material: 50 s/s rods.


br,
Webmug
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 03, 2010, 16:44:15 pm
Weldind stainless steel rods
304?


What core are you using Webmug?
I tested two setups a few months ago:
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1228.msg13055.html#msg13055
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1228.msg13658.html#msg13658
The core material: 50 s/s rods.


br,
Webmug
Lincoln R60 rods.
br,
Webmug
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 03, 2010, 16:50:39 pm
Ah yes, i remember now, what is your current status?
Making the resonance cell first. Then see if the Delrin has different effect on capacitance.
br,
Webmug
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2010, 07:55:57 am
Have you had any time to test anything lately,, any info for us yet?
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 05, 2010, 14:43:35 pm
I tried winding a step up transformer from a coil from a motor out of a microwave, by using this coil as a secondary and putting a primary on it, however it got really hot, either because the primary was too small, or the core doesn't like the hight frequency.

I've haven't had as much spare time in the last few days but I am planning on getting some wire to make another step up transformer, I just have to design what i want to build.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2010, 04:54:53 am
Well, There's Nothing wrong with the transformer I built. The secondary winding is Perfectly wrapped on that core all the way around.

I was only pointing out that a much smaller Torroidal core can create higher voltages at higher ampers. The core I sent you contains about 5 times more wire on its secondary than the normal meyer core. Have you read its resistance? 

If you have to choose between looking around for objects to make a transformer , Chances are you're not going to beat the transformer I've sent. I was basically saying that the transformer I sent isn't the greatest for the project as the smaller one would've been, But its not the worst eather.. "Its worthy to test with." But its not the best as the choke I sent you would be a "Perfect transformer," Not only because of its size, But also because of its unknown (Core material) which seems to be right on the dot for this type of circuit, where the big core, its material is a bit off.
 
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2010, 05:41:29 am
Yea, I think by building a transformer/chokes of my own design and trying to still get the same results as with your transformer will help me understand it better, and then be able to build on that knowledge to advance the system. I'd like to find out what kind of core material it is too. I should get some wire tomorrow and then have it to wind some coils over the weekend... there are a handful of things i'm planning on trying.

Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2010, 08:40:43 am
That`s the only way that will enable us to replicate this phenomenon. We should have known core types.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2010, 22:14:45 pm
I just made a new set of chokes, they allow the light to light up in parallel with the cell with tap water, high voltage shown across the water, producing gas.

These chokes are wound on a flyback core out of a computer monitor, 24 gage (0.022"), bifilar, 4 rows, 27 turns per coil per row (54 turns per row total), insulation paper between each row. That adds up to 108 turns per choke, 216 turns total.

These chokes are NOISY!!!! they make the sounds of the pulsing frequency really loud, I think I may have an air gap in the core, the core vibrates... I'll try and do something to make them quiet... any ideas?

*Early* Conclusion: Flyback cores appear to have some results, and may be a suitable core for chokes/vic's...
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2010, 23:07:56 pm
Ok here's the deal. Dynodon said that in the variable spacing plate cell, the chokes are connected with start wires to the cell, and end wires to the pulsing circuit and ground. I've tired this with all my chokes, and I'm not getting the high voltage stuff.

(The following is with the secondary/choke node grounded to the power supply ground) I tried one of the wires backwards, and then I got the high voltage results. Then I tried my other chokes, the VSPC chokes, and the speaker wire chokes, and my 24 gage chokes, and they all work with the high voltage, they all light the light in parallel with tap water, they all make a LOT of noise, 24 gage chokes are the loudest, and they all show hundreds to over a thousand volts across the cell.

I now assume that Warps toroid chokes have one wire wound clockwise and one wire wound counter-clockwise, which is why if you hook it up "backwards" it still works the same (actually you can't even tell which way is which, but I think it works both ways...).

When both wires are wound the same direction side by side, you have to connect one start wire to the cell and the other end wire to the cell to get these kind of results.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2010, 23:11:26 pm
I should clarify, the above winding configuration I said will give you Warps results. I did not say they would give you Stan's results. There may or may not be a difference.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 06, 2010, 23:27:11 pm
Here you go:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/VICDirection.png)
Look Carefully
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/VICDirection2.png)
Wow this is getting fun
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/VICDirection3.png)
*sigh*
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/VICDirection4.png)
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2010, 09:46:51 am
Yes you are right Don, Meyers diagrams shows that the chokes were connected inversely as you are showing!
Did you had Warps transformer connected when you tested the flyback ?
Thanks for your sharing.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2010, 12:10:17 pm
I have seen the double-pulse effect with a bifilar connected in inverse, like shown in most of meyers' diagrams. But the current limiting effect is larger when connected in the same direction.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2010, 15:00:58 pm
yes i was using warps step up tp check the chokes.

when you connect them inverse you can measure say 600 volts from ground to positive and 600 volts from ground to negative, when you have the start of the neg choke grounded you can tell that it creates a mirror voltage of 600 volts in the negative choke, which is supposed to happen.

more testing needs to be done, mistakes still could have been made, much more to learn and confirm, it would be nice to have a few of you collaborating with me so we can all learn faster
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2010, 17:15:25 pm
I'm lost, I can't figure out why so many of your chokes work. I had a handful of them and none worked, Trust me I tested them.

Now, the choke I sent you as I mentioned when voltage goes so high across that choke, It will start to arc internally and burn itself up. There are 2 things that can happen to these chokes.

1. The voltage from the choke gets so high, "it arcs and burns." (Only seen with a stronger transformer.)
2. The choke will smoke due to (Frequency) and not voltage or current. (RF Burn.)

The Rf Burn, I seen this with another choke I have. There is evidence on my choke you have, that much higher voltages has been applied to it than what the big transformer can offer. Its as if the choke becomes a Capacitor and arcs internally.


I can't seem to understand how so many of your chokes work, For me, only that one choke worked. All I can say is (I wish I were there.)

Also, I sent a transformer with a very High secondary resistance. This could be the cause of some of your chokes working. When I origonaly tested the choke and found that it was abnormal, It was on a much smaller transformer which generated much larger voltages.

(Perhaps you can find a choke that will not work.) Rather than finding chokes that does work?

I can send you some more chokes that I know does not work, and if they work for you something is wrong. This leaves me scratching my head, As I tested several chokes which lead me to believe it was uniq, Now every choke you pick up works? I'm confused at the setup.

I say keep your cores that work, and when others have problems gaining the voltage, Give them or sell them a choke that you know works. This way everyone can test together.

You guy's seem to be gaining HV across tap water, Just as stan mentioned. Perhaps one day it can be Tuned, or increased?

Something strange is Indeed going on, and I feel as if it should be taken a step further.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 08, 2010, 17:37:55 pm
Warp, the cores I am using are from flybacks, which are designed to operate in the khz range like we want, so maybe that is an important key.

Also, I wound them just like Dynodon described Stan's chokes for the VSPC, so that might be an important key as well.

I have been drawing some diagrams trying to figure out how these chokes interact, to understand the proper way to connect them, and I am onto something here. More tests will be done soon.

I'd like to try some of your other chokes if you wish to send them!

Step by step we need to understand thins and then build upon that, continued testing and turning, then better measurements and coil design... i'll work!
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 03:40:12 am
I built a step up transformer on top of my 24 gage chokes, to make an all-in-one VIC

My First all-in-one VIC:
The chokes are described above.

The primary is 3.5 layers (aiming for 4 but ran out of wire) of 54 turns/layer, 24 gage, BIFILAR, yes the primary is bifilar, but not like the chokes, it's bifilar in such a way as to increase the inductance, why? It's easier and faster to wind it this way!

The secondary is 8 layers of 30 gage wire, about 120 turns/layer.

All coils wound in the same direction. Magnetic fields additive.
I am still experimenting with this VIC, and have not gotten the results I desire yet, more tests to do.

-=-=-

I used the step up coil from this all-in-one VIC with my VSPC Chokes to make the video below:


In this set up the only thing from warp I am using is the pulsing circuit, I have replaced his VIC piece by piece, and am still able to produce his results, and understand how to do it.

more experiments to come... more to learn... more to confirm... more to build...

Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 03:47:45 am
I guess all that matters is that we as a team managed to "Find" voltage potential across tap water using basic fuel cells.

Now, "What do we do with it." Or, How do you tune the voltage too the water now that we have managed to do the impossible,,

Restrict current in a dead short condition and allow voltage to take over... We've done that "Somewhat." Now what...
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 03:53:18 am
I think your frequency range on your pulsing circuit is not in the rang of resonance for my cell and my chokes. I want to get my hands on an LC meter and figure out where resonance might be, and then I'll try and get my pulsing circuit set up in that range. Gating needs to be experimented with too.

I need to do more work on my all-in-one VIC to get it working like I want...

It's spring cleaning time, lots of computer monitors on the curb, everyone go get some flyback cores.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 05:21:09 am
You should consider starting your own thread in your project section. This way 1 or 2 years from now you'll be able to find it when you're looking for it, as well as others.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 05:51:38 am
Yea, maybe Steve can move this to my projects section, or I'm just as happy with it here, I don't think Dynodon minds either way.

In 1 or 2 years this tech will be exploded all over the world, we'll figure it out.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 06:28:30 am
Have you tried a spark gap test with and without the chokes?
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 06:51:13 am
i've seen lots of sparks as i connect and disconnect wires, shocked myself about 5 times in total, it takes 17,000 volts to cross an inch of air, so with 1000 volts you only jump 1/17th of an inch... not a large gap, but it sounds like a fun experiment, I'll give it a try.
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 10:16:45 am
I built a step up transformer on top of my 24 gage chokes, to make an all-in-one VIC

My First all-in-one VIC:
The chokes are described above.

The primary is 3.5 layers (aiming for 4 but ran out of wire) of 54 turns/layer, 24 gage, BIFILAR, yes the primary is bifilar, but not like the chokes, it's bifilar in such a way as to increase the inductance, why? It's easier and faster to wind it this way!

The secondary is 8 layers of 30 gage wire, about 120 turns/layer.

All coils wound in the same direction. Magnetic fields additive.
I am still experimenting with this VIC, and have not gotten the results I desire yet, more tests to do.

-=-=-

I used the step up coil from this all-in-one VIC with my VSPC Chokes to make the video below:


In this set up the only thing from warp I am using is the pulsing circuit, I have replaced his VIC piece by piece, and am still able to produce his results, and understand how to do it.

more experiments to come... more to learn... more to confirm... more to build...

how is the primary bifilare connected so to increase inductance? in series, in parallel?
what is the size of the fb core ?
do you have the gap on the core?
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 11:56:41 am
I think your frequency range on your pulsing circuit is not in the rang of resonance for my cell and my chokes. I want to get my hands on an LC meter and figure out where resonance might be, and then I'll try and get my pulsing circuit set up in that range. Gating needs to be experimented with too.

I need to do more work on my all-in-one VIC to get it working like I want...

It's spring cleaning time, lots of computer monitors on the curb, everyone go get some flyback cores.
i'm pretty sure that i've said this before, but if you are looking for series resonance in a resonant circuit. there is none, because of the blocking diode. or are you talking about some other 'resonance' phenomena?
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 13:53:09 pm
Primary is connected:
Pulsing Circuit - Primary 1 Start - Primary 1 End - Primary 2 Start - Primary 2 End - Ground
Read the wikipedia on it, I did that just before I decided to do it bifilar. The only reason was to make it easier to wind, since I am putting two turns on at a time instead of one turn, so it's twice as fast.

haithar, lots of people have said lots of things, and Stan says there is resonance, so I want to find the resonance he is talking about, want to help me? :D
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 19:19:28 pm
I think your frequency range on your pulsing circuit is not in the rang of resonance for my cell and my chokes. I want to get my hands on an LC meter and figure out where resonance might be, and then I'll try and get my pulsing circuit set up in that range. Gating needs to be experimented with too.

I need to do more work on my all-in-one VIC to get it working like I want...

It's spring cleaning time, lots of computer monitors on the curb, everyone go get some flyback cores.
i'm pretty sure that i've said this before, but if you are looking for series resonance in a resonant circuit. there is none, because of the blocking diode. or are you talking about some other 'resonance' phenomena?

Hrm... Interesting. The resonance takes place in the choke, "It has its own resonance freq" No matter if anything is connected to it. Voltage Potential Forms around this choke while the choke resonates.

This potential, As claimed by stan somehow effects the water molecule.

If you could Imagine this.


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A rod 6 Feet deep in the earth. The end of the Rod coming from the ground is connected directly to a the inlet of an Coil, The outlet of the coil is connected to a 1 terminal of a fuel cell rather than an antenna.

Some way, the other fuel cell adjasent from the one the coil is connected to ,, "Somehow" also gains a voltage potential. By Doing this HV can be read directly across tap water. It is this HV stan speaks so much about, But at this point in time HV is proved to be across the water, Its just not pulling it apart.

Perhaps the Choke described, the one connected to the rod in the ground should be Tuned into water with a windshield wiper like tuning method?

If you think about it, its not that far from how a microwave oven works.

Haith, "If the diode didn't block" Hv would not be possible within the tuning choke as it would be loaded down. However we use a diode and because of that HV is allowed to form.

On the Pulse off time, It is like the Potential is coming from somewhere other than the Vic, Coming from the Choke for sure, and somehow the "surroundings" rather than the step up transformer.

I say spend less time letting it confuse you, and more time trying to figure out why it does what it is doing, and debate it from that point of view rather than the other. 

So Yes, We are talking about some other Form of resonance, A resonance between the choke and the water with the universe inbetween. How do you put an LC meter on that.

I would also Like to add.

I once smoked a Choke due to RF waves, using  very little current flow, In the 10 MA range.
If one can manage to smoke a Choke using only 10 MA, Then would it not be also possible to pull water apart using the same amount of power?
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 09, 2010, 21:54:55 pm
Quote
It is this HV stan speaks so much about, But at this point in time HV is proved to be across the water, Its just not pulling it apart.

i find this quote from a couple of stans videos significant to finding the solution..


" No one ever dreamed of using opposite electrical voltage, Being pulsed in a sequential mode in order to perform the work to split the water molecule in a simple physical process. Now isnt that amazing?"

the pulsed in sequential mode needs to be understood  opposite electric voltage we know this, pulsed in sequential mode we dont understand..   what value is being sequenced during pulsing? the potenial, or the frequency... 


in red neck terms, you cant just put a truck in 5th gear and expect to let go of the clutch and have the truck going 60 mph... but you can follow a sequence of gears to achieve 0-60 in a few seconds..

i think this is also why stan used more then 1 tube for production.. he knew he wanted to be able to make gas on demand and he knew there was a delay in the sequential mode to increase production??? so maybe he countered that buy haveing more then one tube.??
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2010, 19:22:59 pm
I've thought about it,, And this is what you need to do..

Just use 1 choke on the negative terminal.. Do not use Biffilar etc,,.


To "Re-Test" each of your chokes, Including mine do the following.

Lick your pinkie and thumb on same hand. Apply pinkie on one terminal of choke and thumb on the other, As if your hand is in parallel with the choke. Tune the circuit until you feel it start to Jolt you, With the light not being used in the circuit.

2. Test All chokes, And note its affects on your hand, and go from there.

3. Chokes That will not work with the circuit will not jolt you, As you will notice. Test My choke against yours and report back, Doing the above method.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2010, 20:45:27 pm
How do you expect the circuit to work with only the negative choke?

I'm testing the spark gap now, more details later.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 10, 2010, 23:19:22 pm
That choke I sent should have only contained 1 "One" coil. I mentioned that I had forgotten I wired a second choke Very un-neatly over the one that I meant for you to test. Now you have a sloppy choke on top of the choke you was suppost to test. The sloppy choke should be removed immediately  .

"Get rid of the sloppy choke" which covers the choke on the core.

1. The choke goes on the negative lead.
2. No choke belongs on the positive lead, "After the diode" During the test of "My Setup." Where the Choke On the negative lead is a "Tuning Choke" and the Choke on the positive lead is not, Not needed for this test.


"With the completely constructed Vic I sent you," As mentioned wet your Pinkie and Thumb with circuit intact and light sit aside unconnected. Tune the circuit Till it jolts you a bit with fuel cell "Containing only tap water intact, This is one of the special behaviors of that choke, If the choke jolts or tingles you, "It passes" if it does not, Its not a good choke.

Put the oem setup back together and re test as it should have been tested, Then after this start inserting your very own chokes on the "negative lead only."

This is how the cores should be tested, 1 by 1.

(NOTE)
The Tuning Choke at the negative and the Choke after the diode does not contain the same freq. We have not yet added the "Resonating tuning choke" to the other "Positive choke" for combination yet, As when you have a negative Choke "at resonance" and a positive choke at a "diff freq", This could be another key in tuning into water, I haven't explored that area yet, Only the tuning choke area and in there voltage comes without Biff, It comes for a choke at "Resonance" with itself.

     
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2010, 05:34:19 am
yea i'll test it, but you need both chokes in the end

Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 11, 2010, 08:06:47 am
Agreed... One step at a time..
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 14, 2010, 06:01:37 am
Have you had anytime to run any of the test? There hasn't been any reply, I was just wondering what was going on, or what isn't going on..
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 14, 2010, 16:42:37 pm
Sorry, i've been busy with work, I will test when I get a chance.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 16, 2010, 21:13:55 pm
the main difference i see between this circuit and stans main model is the chokes are not recieving that driving frequency.. i am reading stans secrets pdf and things are clicking more then last read..

stans alternator version has the chokes on the same core as the secondary so it is therefore taking on a emf and not just a electrical connected exchange of potential.. the chokes on the core most likely have resonant freq.. but since there is a emf on top of the signal the signal isnt bing forced into the choke and fighting resistance, it is being aided proportionatly with the emf of the rotor poles.. this is what they call forced oscillation i think,   stans vic for his boiler cell is a closed loop core and it as well allows the emf driving signal to interact with the chokes...

donald.. would it be possible for you to wind a choke with a primary on it  tap that primary parallel with the step up transfomer...  i want to see a step up voltage with a emf force driving the chokes...  i think these setup are only generating more of a static state in the cell and are missing the dynamics where the voltage actually dwells and penetrates.. which is what enables step charging?
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 16, 2010, 22:34:11 pm
i have an all-in-one vic with chokes/primary/secondary, but it just gets hot, and is not sending the voltage out, i can use the step up transformer with external chokes, and i can use the chokes with an external step up, but so far with all the configurations i've tried i can't get it to work as an all-in-one vic...

I'll be making some more coils next week, but i'm busy right now.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2010, 18:55:05 pm
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This primary, 3 layers, 66 turns of 18 gage wire, did not work, it drew too much current, too low of resistance.
I removed it.
I wound 8 layers, 400 turns of 24 gage wire.

Video:

Early tests of a new Voltage Intensifier Circuit Coil, Figure 3-23 in the Tech Brief.

Primary: 8 layers of 24 gage wire, 800 turns
Secondary: 2000 turns of 30 gage wire
Choke 1: 2000 turns of 30 gage wire
Choke 2: 2000 turns of 30 gage wire
Pickup coil: Not used at this point.

High Voltage readings, the very fewest of bubbles.
It didn't show up in the video, but there was major interference with the camera, screen was going shades grey, which is why I am moving the camera closer and farther away from the coil, trying to get the camera to straighten itself out.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2010, 18:59:48 pm
shweet dude.. i want one lol.. where did you buy that core from???
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2010, 19:02:22 pm
This core came out of an old flyback from a big old TV that i found in a junkyard.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2010, 19:09:10 pm
maybe the all in one only works with a resonant cavity? stan used 1 transformer for each tube in the boiler set up right??.. dynodons videos seem to show the boiler tubes being surrounded by delrin and isolated to the water baths to some degree if im not mistaken..
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2010, 19:19:27 pm
yea, I'm going to have to build an insulated cell like yours soon.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2010, 22:28:00 pm
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Made another VIC Coil, calling this one 'V4'.

Primary: 150 turns of 24 gage (Leftmost section)
Seconary: 500 turns of 30 gage (second section)
Choke 1: 500 turns of 30 gage (third section)
Choke 2: 500 turns of 30 gage (Rightmost section)

Sections:
ID 0.775"
OD 1.495"
L: 0.258"

Video:
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2010, 22:45:38 pm
with 150:1500 step up, thats 10x, so 10 volts in should get me 100 volts out, yet i am getting 400...500...900... maxed out meter.

gas production is due to miliamp leakage

control and driver circuit patent says "will draw 25 milliamps, but will drop to 1-2 miliamps in a tuned resonant condition"

I need to find resonance, any ideas?
I should get an LC meter...
Build an insulated cell...
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 24, 2010, 05:01:55 am
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First Coil: 0.022" 80 turns
Second Coil: 0.031" 150 turns
Third Coil: 0.005" 60 Ohms

Core: Iron Powder Yellow/White Mix 26 (Possibly a T-80)
OD: 3.09"
ID: 1.90"
H: 1.04"
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 24, 2010, 05:04:33 am
Once again, very nice work! If I may, I would suggest a couple of things. For future windings of the transformer and chokes, there is a rule of thumb for resonant transformers where the weight of the primary and secondary should be equal. In other words, equal mass. I can only imagine the chokes weight will be relative to the mass of the transformer also. I would guess equal mass for all four coils?

For finding resonances in the transformer only(first) use a low input power, say around 2 or 3V, and one light on each side of the transformer. The lights should be chosen for the appropriate power levels for each side. Using a sweepable signal generator as input, sweep the frequencies slowly while noting the brightnesses of the lights. Measure voltages and frequencies at those most brightest and dimmest spots. After your comfortable with finding resonances with the transformer alone, you can add the chokes and see how it changes the circuit.   You could also use Avramenko Plugs to test the secondary in some imaginative way. Otherwise you will need a scope with HV probes.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 24, 2010, 05:20:22 am
Thanks for that tip!
I'll be looking into getting an inductance meter, as well as sitting down with some formulas to figure some things out, and i'll never be able to get a good capacitance reading off of the tubular array so an insulated resonant cell will have to come soon
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2010, 19:39:01 pm
with 150:1500 step up, thats 10x, so 10 volts in should get me 100 volts out, yet i am getting 400...500...900... maxed out meter.

gas production is due to miliamp leakage

control and driver circuit patent says "will draw 25 milliamps, but will drop to 1-2 miliamps in a tuned resonant condition"

I need to find resonance, any ideas?
I should get an LC meter...
Build an insulated cell...
Are you sure you have the same signals? Pulsed input on the primary and pulsed output on the secondary? If you have 10 times step-up when input is 10V you should get about 100V on the secondary. Is this measured on open terminals at the secondary? Check both signals on a scope.

I have been busy with my ESL transformer. It has 125x step-up in a 300-20kHz frequency range. When I use a 2N3055 transistor, connected just as in the patent circuit schematic on (TX1) and input a PULSED voltage amplitude 50% duty (0-10V) at 10V@300mA on the primary. GATED at 50%. When measured on the secondary I get about 1kV in 1kHz to 19kHz PULSE range (sure it looks like a PULSE). So the PULSE TRANSFORMER works here...also when I connect a FL lamp, it is ON at the HOT+ and OFF at the GND so I think I have unipolar GATED PULSE signal.

But now... The primary resistance ESL coil is 1ohm 300mA is measured here (because of GATING). Secondary resistance is 3kOhms!
When I connect a diode,choke (BIF1 2298 wound 0,15mm BIF2 2298 wound 0.15mm 4cm 12 cavities) and WFC I don't have enough current from the secondary into the chokes. I measured about 80V@2mA (10V@300mA primary). When I disconnect the WFC I hear the chokes buzzing and the FL lamp is on (connected to the HOT+ ESL) I measured about 1kV@2mA (10V@300mA primary).
So diode is working...what is going on here?

How do we match the impedance with the secondary (ESL) and chokes and WFC to get some current through the WFC to start polarization process. Where Stan has about 25mA without resonant action and 1-2mA in resonance?

Also it maybe a fact that all the coils should go on the same core to have max. reusable EM fields. So my ESL won't be the correct approach for HV. The question is how to make a PULSED TRANSFORMER for a frequency range and not one fixed frequency?

br,
Webmug
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2010, 19:49:16 pm
Simply put , that is a contradiction .

If you want high step-up , need many turns on the secondary , if you want a good power transfer you need high inductance .

But high inductance means low amps at high frequencies . The secondary impedance is huge , so even direct shorted secondary with an ampmeter you will get a few milliamps .


The same would be true with an alternator @ 5 Khz , you just couldnt get any amps out of it because those windings are in the circuit .Lets say you cancelled the Inductance with some series capacitance , then you will face loading problems , transformers are rated for minimal power . This is the law of electricity , there can only be compromise .

Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2010, 20:44:03 pm
webmug, that was measured as you can see in the youtube video, with the cell connected, measured from power supply ground to one side of the cell, also measured in between the plates, and across the tube light, in any case it's easy to get 400-500-900-maxed meter voltage reading... so i don't know exactly how this is working, it's not like a normal AC step up... I'd love to have a scope to check the input and output wave forms, it's on the list to purchase!

is the ESL transformer a WFC thing or another project? It doesn't come to mind but it sounds like it would be fun to work with.

At a guess, I figure it's not letting out more than 25 mA to the cell, give or take a bit, based on the gas production. The gas production is just from the amp leakage.... still working on finding resonance where the "water molecule just falls apart" as Stan says in the NZ video...

Which brings me to the Delrin Insulated Resonant Cell, which will be coming soon.

Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 29, 2010, 19:36:52 pm
wow what's that?

btw a youtube embed function would be awesome here
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 29, 2010, 19:50:35 pm
wow what's that?

btw a youtube embed function would be awesome here
Ill gues its just amps you see.......
Nice vid Donald, btw.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 29, 2010, 20:06:33 pm
nice, embed  :D
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 29, 2010, 21:25:27 pm
That is the 8XA circuit, it was a video from May 29th, with tap water.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 30, 2010, 11:01:58 am
@Donaldwfc
I'm just experimenting with that ESL for HV generation to see it also works on a broad frequency range.

For the 8XA circuit part, nice video! Have you verified the Voltage Levels (amps restriction) or did it only use max. amps.
http://waterfuelcell.org/Experiment%20objectives.html  (http://waterfuelcell.org/Experiment%20objectives.html) (fig .8 )

Great stuff, Donaldwfc!

br,
Webmug
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 30, 2010, 16:13:30 pm
webmug, without the variable spacing cell I can't really tune in, to numerous spots, like Stan could have, I suppose there might be one spot (or four, with 1, 2, 3, or 4 tubes connected) where i can tune in, but I haven't had any results there yet. I am not sure what the inductance/capacitance range I am working with so I might not be in the right freq range.

I am going to build the resonant cells next, and after that I may consider again, building a variable plate cell.
Also i'll need an LCR meter, and probably a new VIC that is better designed.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 30, 2010, 17:56:33 pm
webmug, without the variable spacing cell I can't really tune in, to numerous spots, like Stan could have, I suppose there might be one spot (or four, with 1, 2, 3, or 4 tubes connected) where i can tune in, but I haven't had any results there yet. I am not sure what the inductance/capacitance range I am working with so I might not be in the right freq range.

I am going to build the resonant cells next, and after that I may consider again, building a variable plate cell.
Also i'll need an LCR meter, and probably a new VIC that is better designed.
So, we are still stuck at Reaching Voltage Level One L1. If we could reach Voltage Level Six L6 the resonance cavity comes in. Right now a lot of amp inhibiting 'things' must be done.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 30, 2010, 18:26:49 pm
How are your tests with your lego WFC?
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 30, 2010, 18:38:07 pm
How are your tests with your lego WFC?
Not good, connections are rusty due current. Must clean it again.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 03, 2010, 18:24:33 pm
question for all..

im looking for a place to buy iron powder U cores as well as laminate.. i want to work on a vic like donalds and i think it would be good if we can find a simple internet source for them.. i think we should focus on getting stans 1992 control circuit patent components labeled, i dont know where to start with that..
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 03, 2010, 20:38:55 pm
Try http://www.allstarmagnetics.com/ for cores, they have a $75 minimum order.


In a few weeks I may place an order and get a variety of cores.


On the low cost end, recommend finding some big old TV's and seeing what is in them for a flyback core.
Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 06, 2010, 11:26:42 am
thanks donald for the source.. i have 1 from a tv just found it yesterday.. isnt near as big as the big one you have.. its like the smaller one your working with...  as of right now i have stans circuit built and working on a bread board.. im waiting on some pots and resistor to come in so i make it match the revised drawing dynnodon shared not to long ago during the sale..  i have tested the circuit as is and i am able to get the scr to work as a gate...  i will be experimenting with 2 ideas eventualy.. i will be working with rodin coils hitting water and i will be experimenting with the standard bifilars idea..   

jamie buturff  is the guys name who works with marko rodin. he was saying that there is another way they are winding the coils and they are actually using ancient tones i think with the coil which is the solfeggio tones

http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/01jan/solfeggio.html


Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 07, 2010, 07:20:45 am
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Title: Re: Working Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 30, 2010, 18:32:46 pm
The Resonant Charging Chokes restrict amps through Inductive Reactance, which is dependent on the Frequency and the Inductance.     

Increasing Frequency Increases Inductive Reactance 
Decreasing Frequency Decreases Inductive Reactance   

More Inductive Reactance Restricts More Amps 
Less Inductive Reactance Restricts Less Amps   

This video shows the current flow from the power supply, to the WFC system.


 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XObjDtUVpRE)
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Title: Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2010, 20:01:47 pm
My scope just arrived, it's a OWON PDS 5022S from saelig
1244

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As free time permits, I'll get this in action.
Title: Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2010, 20:44:59 pm
Nice Donald, I'm jealous and happy at the same time :) Looks to be in pretty good shape.
Title: Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2010, 21:20:18 pm
Thanks, it's brand new, $287 plus shipping, you should get one!
Title: Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 28, 2010, 21:22:44 pm
Nice one. Good work.


Title: Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 03, 2010, 21:09:11 pm
Probably not the most on-topic place for this, but here is a good reference:
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Title: Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2010, 12:14:26 pm
I can show you how to build the VIC..... Look this material over real good you will see. And if you can't see I will explain my view.

This is a neon power supply used in video...
I'm working on Tesla coil circuit to power a much larger cell.....
Here's a couple of links that will help everyone to build a working WFC.

Tesla Coil Cad
http://www.richardsplace.net/tesladownload.htm (http://www.richardsplace.net/tesladownload.htm)
This will allow you to plug your WFC capacitance in spot of top load or toroid to aid in building resonant transformers.
also in files below this will help you build coils to resonance.

This is Andrija PUHARICH Water Decomposition by AC Electrolysis Circuit...
(http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/2fig1.jpg)
And waveform
(http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/1fig5.jpg)

Here's a link to the pulsing power supply needed to pull this off....

Eastern Voltage Research
Go here for Plasmasonic Instruction Manual (PDF)
http://www.easternvoltageresearch.com/datasheets/plasma2_manual.pdf (http://www.easternvoltageresearch.com/datasheets/plasma2_manual.pdf)
also in files below with parts & schematics
Features:
 
- Full-Bridge switching circuit for high power operation
- Configurable as pulsed SSTC or CW SSTC (Audio Modulation)
- Customizable Audio Filtering
- 10-Step LED Onboard VU Meter
- Connects directly to practically any audio source
- Operates from 50kHz to 350kHz                                                                                                                                                                                
Title: Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2010, 15:45:08 pm
Thanks, it's brand new, $287 plus shipping, you should get one!
Only $287??
Where can I get one? :)

Ah, found it on google :P

Just ordered this one:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.30573
Title: Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 06, 2011, 00:40:37 am
Here are some scope shots of Warp's / Hydrocars' Pulsing Circuit, which you can see in my youtube videos


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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/IMG_2217.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/IMG_2218.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/IMG_2219.jpg)
Title: Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 06, 2011, 00:44:43 am
As you can see it's pretty wild. It is also extremely high frequency, those are at about 85khz, and it goes into the 100khz range. I think I have done all the experiments with warps set up that I am going to do. The frequency range could be changed, but I am not going to modify it.


If anyone would like me to mail them warps circuit and coils, then send me a pm.
Title: Re: Voltage Intensifier Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 06, 2011, 05:14:19 am
Yes that is where i saw that she ran really nicely also.... I try to post a video....
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 08, 2011, 01:22:55 am
Having the "Isolated ground" connected to a different ground outlet is having the same effects with the light when i attach it to the computer power supply ground, so the interesting thing is that the secondary/choke should be grounded.

Also, i can have the secondary grounded to the power supply ground, and the second choke grounded to the other wall outlet, that works too.

I opened up the cap on the cell and stuck a wire into the water, then attached the light to the end of that wire, and it lights up when i touch it, able to measure high voltage across the light and to the water from ground...

so the water is... charged? it's distilled so it's an insulator, and the voltage travels through the water... wave guide? electric field traveling through the water bath... maybe why Delrin is used to contain it to the water gap

i turned on my computer speakers, and they make the same sound as the frequency from the circuit when close by, picking up the interference from the em-waves

What is going on with your chokes warp!?... and your step up transformer... they are doing interesting things...!

Some day i'm going to take this outside and shove a metal rod into the ground and test that as a real earth ground, see what that does for me.

Still have yet to change back to tap water, then i can do all these tests again.



Isolated Ground according to Stan Meyer patents means something completely different than what the electrical industry refers to.
He simply meant that the negative side of the circuit in question was isolated from any ground whatsoever.

Isolated ground means a negative section of the circuit not connected to any other negative of any other circuit, like the power supply, etc.

as for the VIC...everything on the secondary side of the step up pulsing transformer should be floating...not connected to any real ground or earth ground....on the buggy there is NO connection to earth ground because of the rubber tires...

hope this helps

ALSO DONALDWFC   your documents collection on this forum has a corrupt file (8 page newsletter, downloaded about 52 times...) not really able to download it, could you please upload a new copy?
thanks
Title: Re: Re: Testing of Warps chokes
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 27, 2013, 02:23:15 am
I imagine the voltage is changing with the freq.

More videos on my channel, splitting distilled water

Here's one of the new ones:
Please let other member see/learn from your work!