Ionizationx: a clean environment is a human right!
Stanley Meyer => Stan Meyers system 3 => Topic started by: Steve on March 31, 2010, 10:39:06 am

New knowledge:
It seems that Stan used POSITIVE ions in his waterinjector setup in comby with the water vapours.
Lets make some theory on this:
Engine = negative charged
Watervapour = negative charged (?)
With negative ambient air ions, nothing will happen.
So, add positive ions and you will get a reaction of negative electrons from the watervapour willing to go to the positive ions from the nitrogen/oxygen from the ambient air. Resulting in splitting the watermolecule....
(all theory, of course. Nothing proved sofar)
Steve

Combustion
"Any form of combustion generates positive ions. All gas molecules and smoke particles resulting from combustion are positively charged. This is why people become sleepy, dullwitted or irritable in an inadequately ventilated room with an open fire  or hazy with tobacco smoke. It is not generally realized that humanlife processes involve the combustion (oxidation) of fuel (nutrients), and that people take in negative charges and give off positive ones. This is why, in crowded rooms without adequate ventilation, people often have headaches(ref 1,2), become sleepy, dullwitted or irritable(ref 1,3) in the 'heavy' air  typical examples of the SIS problem."
Another one
Measurement of Ion Formation during Combustion (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v198/n4882/abs/198780b0.html)
Indoor Air Quality and the Serotonin Irritation Syndrome  hospital hepa unit air cleaners, air odor cleaners, air filtration system medical device, ion air cleaners, air purifier reviews, health effects air purifiers, asbestos abatement air cleaners (http://www.berriman.com/iaqsis.htm)
Maybe thats why Stan added exhaust gasses into his system...
He needed the positive ions to pull the watervapour into pieces..
So, a positive ions generator with HV and a positive ion generator engine make lots of positive ions together.
Add a positive charge of the sparkplug......
Now add watervapour which is normally negative charged and there you go :D
Steve

hey Steve,
You would have lots of water vapor in the exhaust as well as positive ions. All would be worth recycling back into gas process. Positve ionization would come from Ultraviolet leds (Stans lazer light). I googled "hertz effect" and read about the electrons omitted from matter. Similiar to what Stan talked about.
I am about were you are in the process and enjoying your posts, Thanks

Good Stuff
Stan used red LEDs in the hydrogen gas gun and in the air gas processor, but he did use fiber optic lights with what appear to be possibly uv lenses for the small stackable resonant cavities.

Hello you all i'm coming up right now with info that anyone though before!
I solved the injector!
What happens when a conductor moves cutting a magnetic field?
A voltage is developed! in a direction 90° from the magnetic field lines and 90° from the movement!
What happen when we have water under a very high pressure and make it to pass thru a 0,40 mm diameter hole?
It will pass thru it at a very high speed!
water is not conductive thus ( the ionized gases were needed in the injector to create the conduction )
Lets say you have a 0,40 mm hole 6cm long (it will have a volume = to 7,5 ul ( the amount stan said was injecting for each injection cycle in each cylinder) accordingly to the volume of a cylinder calculation =((diameter/2)^2)*High)
Now you need to inject it in only 2ms what will be the speed of the water?
answer (6cm/0,002)*(7,57,4) ((volume of the tube  the amount of water to be injected) (this result is = to how many times the tube will fill per injection) well the result is almost 3000cm/sec
Now if you cut a magnetic flux of 15.000 gauss with water at this speed you will develop 1,7volts witch together with the ionized gas and a catalyzer element and resonance will actually crack the water!!!
Enjoy Freedom!
Now you just need to develop a certain pressure inside the tank, (only about 4 liters of water will be consumed in one hour thus even very high pressure will cost very low energy) and solenoids to do all the work...
What about this? 8)
after 2010 years we can again walk on water...haha
Best Regards to you all
Donations are welcome! you find link on my you tube channel
Did you know that 7,4 ul of water = 13ml of gas h2+02 witch represents 3,33% of the 400cc cylinders meyer were using.
Yes he used positively ionized ambient gas...
He created the injectors to simplify and lower the costs

Hello you all i'm coming up right now with info that anyone though before!
I solved the injector!
What happens when a conductor moves cutting a magnetic field?
A voltage is developed! in a direction 90° from the magnetic field lines and 90° from the movement!
What happen when we have water under a very high pressure and make it to pass thru a 0,40 mm diameter hole?
It will pass thru it at a very high speed!
water is not conductive thus ( the ionized gases were needed in the injector to create the conduction )
Lets say you have a 0,40 mm hole 6cm long (it will have a volume = to 7,5 ul ( the amount stan said was injecting for each injection cycle in each cylinder) accordingly to the volume of a cylinder calculation =((diameter/2)^2)*High)
Now you need to inject it in only 2ms what will be the speed of the water?
answer (6cm/0,002)*(7,57,4) ((volume of the tube  the amount of water to be injected) (this result is = to how many times the tube will fill per injection) well the result is almost 3000cm/sec
Now if you cut a magnetic flux of 15.000 gauss with water at this speed you will develop 1,7volts witch together with the ionized gas and a catalyzer element and resonance will actually crack the water!!!
Enjoy Freedom!
Now you just need to develop a certain pressure inside the tank, (only about 4 liters of water will be consumed in one hour thus even very high pressure will cost very low energy) and solenoids to do all the work...
What about this? 8)
after 2010 years we can again walk on water...haha
Best Regards to you all
Donations are welcome! you find link on my you tube channel
Did you know that 7,4 ul of water = 13ml of gas h2+02 witch represents 3,33% of the 400cc cylinders meyer were using.
Yes he used positively ionized ambient gas...
He created the injectors to simplify and lower the costs
Sebos,
You just made my day!!
Thats what i like about you. You are good with these kind of calculations.
Wow. Do we make progress here or not!
In the mean time, i am currently building a big platecell of 100 plates which is wired in series, but is build in parallel stacks of 2 blocks.
Yesterday the steel front plate was ready to be painted, but slipped out of my hands and hit my feet.
Up to the hospital. 1 broken feet.........yeh....not good.
Steve

Finally, we have a good story / explanation on how the injectors might work....
Very very good!
Steve

Sebosfato, have you actually ran an engine using your ideas ??? There are many of us that can not view videos, so, we quietly sit and read and wait to SEE ideas come to life. It is very difficult to picture what you have proposed.
Is there a website or photos available for us to see ??? Thank you for sharing your ideas. Harold

Hello you all i'm coming up right now with info that anyone though before!
I solved the injector!
What happens when a conductor moves cutting a magnetic field?
A voltage is developed! in a direction 90° from the magnetic field lines and 90° from the movement!
What happen when we have water under a very high pressure and make it to pass thru a 0,40 mm diameter hole?
It will pass thru it at a very high speed!
water is not conductive thus ( the ionized gases were needed in the injector to create the conduction )
Lets say you have a 0,40 mm hole 6cm long (it will have a volume = to 7,5 ul ( the amount stan said was injecting for each injection cycle in each cylinder) accordingly to the volume of a cylinder calculation =((diameter/2)^2)*High)
Now you need to inject it in only 2ms what will be the speed of the water?
answer (6cm/0,002)*(7,57,4) ((volume of the tube  the amount of water to be injected) (this result is = to how many times the tube will fill per injection) well the result is almost 3000cm/sec
Now if you cut a magnetic flux of 15.000 gauss with water at this speed you will develop 1,7volts witch together with the ionized gas and a catalyzer element and resonance will actually crack the water!!!
Enjoy Freedom!
Now you just need to develop a certain pressure inside the tank, (only about 4 liters of water will be consumed in one hour thus even very high pressure will cost very low energy) and solenoids to do all the work...
What about this? 8)
after 2010 years we can again walk on water...haha
Best Regards to you all
Donations are welcome! you find link on my you tube channel
Did you know that 7,4 ul of water = 13ml of gas h2+02 witch represents 3,33% of the 400cc cylinders meyer were using.
Yes he used positively ionized ambient gas...
He created the injectors to simplify and lower the costs
I'm still skeptical, but the fact that the volume of 1l water is 1600l in HHO should account for a good pressure. Intriguing idea :) How do you want to create a magnetic field of 1,7T though? It should of course be permanent magnets as no current is needed to maintain the electric field.

I believe the way to create this magnetic field will be with a coil around. Once i saw a meyers drawing of the injector with the coild around it. Only once.
His drawings of the electrodes aways remind me permanent magnets, Aways orientation check it. Yesterday i was thinking about pressure and flow and big bang! I first tried some numbers, and guess what? i took a look on the canadian injector patent and the size of the holes proposed by him were the same i was guessing, He mention 125 psi pump. It was well protected... Now is free! Fortunately
The electron gun had coils too.
His work is based on MHD magneto hydro dynamics domain of plasma physics. Look for it on the mit site. Is the basics of the basics of power generation!!!!!!!! Is just like a generator works! http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Physics/index.htm
Even the resonant cavity works with this principle.
The pressure i believe meyer used the Famous steam resonator to create or the water pump. The volume of water to displace is very small.
I didn't ran a car on water yet =( but soon is exactly what i want to do! i'm just short of money now and to design it well and make the pieces will cost a bit. But won't be too expensive for scale production hopefully!
Well good news!
Thank you all for being part of it!
Hope to finish this soon!
I think the ionizer works much the same way. not sure yet!
Best regards!

If any of you want to help... help me to find out how much pressure you need to develop in a tank to make 3,7ml of water to pass thru a hole of 0,4mm of diameter every second. Would be great if any of you have the formula and know how to explain it for us! Thanks

why every second?
if you are at 2000 rpm then you have an injection every 0.12 seconds

Hi Donald
Its Because i calculated an injection timing of only 2ms
I calculated like this:
At 7000 rpm you have in a four cycle engine 3500 injections per injector. ( Rpm / 2 rotations per complete 4 cycles )
This gives us 58,3333 injections per second (Injections per minute / 60 seconds)
Than this mean that every 0,01714286 seconds you have a new injection ( 1 second / 58,33 injections per second)
I than divided this by 4 because there is 4 cycles and that gave me 0,004285717 seconds or 4,2 ms to complete each cycle
I considered than that in my injection cycle you will inject only during half of the movement when the piston is coming down so i divided it again by 2 so 2 ms
Than i calculated 1 second / 0,002 = 500 than i multiplied this for 7,4 ul and i got the result that if the solenoid remain open for 1 second 3,7ml of water would flow.
I did this to simplify the question
How much pressure must a bomb develop or must be developed inside a water tank to make 3,7ml of water to pass thru a hole of 0,4mm diameter every second.
This will tell us the pressure we need to keep inside the tank or the pump pressure we are going to need for we can get the injector to work.
The speed the water will reach is easy to calculate:
The hole having 0,4mm of diameter and for say 6 cm of length give us a volume = to 0,0075396ml so if we are going to fill it with 7,4ul of water in a cycle of 0,002 seconds this mean it will fill 0nly 98% for each cycle. but this means that water will need to run over 6cm in only 0,002 seconds. than is easy I got 6/0,002*0,98 and that gave me the resultant water speed 2944 cm per second. This is only the start!
The formula was actually water speed = length in cm divided by injection time in seconds*(volume of water to be injected  volume of the hole (tube...))
The volume of a cylinder in ml is = 3,14*((Diameter in mm/2/10)^2)*length in cm
Hope now is clear =)

well you'd have to use something like Bernoulli's equation, but the viscosity is going to be such a huge factor in a device so small that it wont be accurate at all, you would be best to just make it variable and tune it