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Alternative Energy => Overunity devices => Topic started by: haithar on February 01, 2010, 20:24:02 pm

Title: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 01, 2010, 20:24:02 pm
So now i watched their overunity videos.
Apparently they measured current over time and compared energy in and energy out with energy out being 3.xx times larger than energy in, depending on the position of the pickup coil.
Is anyone going to buy the developer license? If their claim is true after all the 419€ are nothing compared to the change it can bring, but because of the type of this technology one cannot be 100% sure. I'm hoping for some bloggers to visit them and take their own measurements over the next two weeks, then I'll decide.

Who would need a complicated Stan Meyer system if it was so easy like they claim..
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 01, 2010, 22:23:42 pm
Let the real company developpers developp a motor and we will see .

Im still suspicious , all is too open and too honest .

Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 01, 2010, 22:43:18 pm
It's most likely a scam juding from past inventors and companies. I thought about how they could have cheated on the overunity test. the oscilloscope shows the energy as I² * R. They could have chosen a larger R than in reality and make it look like overunity. As i said i'm interested in testing from independent people.
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 01, 2010, 23:21:14 pm
It's most likely a scam juding from past inventors and companies. I thought about how they could have cheated on the overunity test. the oscilloscope shows the energy as I² * R. They could have chosen a larger R than in reality and make it look like overunity. As i said i'm interested in testing from independent people.

Give it 6 months and if we still see charged up batteries and a perpetual rotating motor it will be one of thos bedini type thing .

Them companies surely will developp something soon .
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 02, 2010, 04:07:50 am
They didn't do the simple things you would expect to do to show over unity...

... they didn't run a bigger load on a smaller input...
... the didn't light up a bunch of light bulbs to show all the electricity produced...
... they didn't loop the output to the input to make it self sustaining...
... they don't even have simple straight forward "THIS IS MY INPUT - THIS IS MY OUTPUT -  IT'S OVERUNITY" type readings...

The guy has a fancy scope, and talks in circles, he has something that spins and looks nice...
JLN did a replication, and I think he has positive results, which may give the technology some merit, however based on the videos from this guy, he has a lot more development adn demonstrations to do before I take much of an interest.
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 02, 2010, 10:06:23 am
The guy has a fancy scope, and talks in circles, he has something that spins and looks nice...
JLN did a replication, and I think he has positive results, which may give the technology some merit, however based on the videos from this guy, he has a lot more development adn demonstrations to do before I take much of an interest.
That's a scope we use at college too, nothing fancy about it, only horribly expensive. I read that they will publish data for everyone to evaluate on their website soon.
Title: Optical Sensor needed
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2010, 16:58:48 pm
Does anyone know what type the optical sensors are which everyone uses? For example JNaudin here:
(http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/images/steornv3b.jpg)

I searched the internet for half an hour now without any part that i could use. Can anyone help? Naudins version seems to be an Integrated Circuit (IC), at least it looks like that in his schematics.
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2010, 18:15:26 pm
Not sure what they are called, but I think they just tell the difference between black and white, and he has a piece of black electrical tape to trigger the sensor. (unless i am thinking of a different device...)

people build small robots with them and have them follow the black line of electrical tape.

Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2010, 18:17:51 pm
yea but whats the name of this devices  :D
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2010, 18:41:39 pm
optical isolator, optical coupling device, optocoupler, photocoupler, or photoMOS

Is this what you are looking for.
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 14, 2010, 19:08:49 pm
Thanks i found phototransistors or optocouplers before. the way i understand it is that both led and photo-diode or transistor are inside a dark casing, both input and output are electrical. i can't think of a method to recognize e.g. a black/white difference or one revolution of a spinning device. probably with a led on the spinning part itself but that's not the case with naudin. there must be an existing part for that.

well i could use a laser pointer to shine onto the rotating part and install a little mirror on it so that every rotation the laser light is reflected onto a photo transistor. but seeing so many replications there must be an easier way  ;D


after more research i found that the CNY70 will fit my needs.
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2010, 00:04:18 am
I think I know what you mean, maybe it was called a schmidt trigger device or component.

Pickup there could be photo or magnetic sensor.

Maybe there's a protruding tab that cuts the sensor like one thats found on a floppy drive.
The tab might be on the back side of that Naudin photo and just revolves around cutting signal every revolution.

Floppy drive sensor is probably easy to come up with and use for this.
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2010, 02:43:24 am
I asked a youtuber what he used and should be getting a response . Ive seen many OU claims that are real but the power density is not there @ this stage .

I wont make one myself now because it would be pointless besides for youtube kicks and wasting if  theres 1000 engineers work it out with them complex magnetic fields and sell a 2000$ generator , this type of thing has very low power right now .

If it works then we should see a product soon for like 2000$ very soon . That is a guarantee of human nature .


Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2010, 04:34:36 am
The Orbo works basically by attracting the magnets to the toroid then pulsing the toroid to cancel the attraction just as it passes, so the rotor coasts by. For this to work you must have the magnets spaced out... which is why they have 4, one each 90 degrees.

You could scale this up by increasing the diameter, which allows you to add more magnets and still have the needed spacing, or add more rotors on the same shaft.

But you are still "coasting" past the magnetic attraction once you turn it off, so it makes it hard to pull much torque out of this to power a load.

If you want to get anywhere with this, you would have to invest a lot of time and money. You would need a multi-phase system where you always have a lot more phases in attraction mode while one is coasting by, so you can maintain some amount of torque and momentum.

If anyone is seriously interested in this, I could help you with a design and machine work, but I am not spending any money on this.
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2010, 10:34:12 am
If you want to get anywhere with this, you would have to invest a lot of time and money.
What is everyone doing with the water fuel cell research? ;)

Anyway, i'm not a developer, only interest and semester break. To reconsider buying into the developer stage i'd have to see the test data first. And even then,  419€ (the scam number  :-X) is a lot of money for a student, although it's worth for a real effect.
Of course this would have to be engineered further, but why am i becoming an engineer ;) I see so many orbo "replications" at the moment on overunity.com or youtube and most of them don't have any similarity except the magnets. jnaudin is to my knowledge the only one who focused on the key principles of the demonstrations and his replication looks pretty good. he has repeated the first demos of steorn and i'm hoping he will try to to their last "experiment" too.
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2010, 16:15:01 pm
Is there a time limit to buying a developer kit?

Looks to me like the developer kit just lets you play with their computer software.

I would say build a device... JNL has enough clues there... then if it works and you want to start a company selling the stuff, then go and buy your development license.

Do they even have a patent? What is stopping you from just using the technology anyway?

I agree the wfc tech takes time and money too, but we have a lot more information to work with, and we can see Stan driving around the dune buggy on water, it offers way more promise.

As far as magnetic motors, the Flynn patent shows the best promise in my opinion.
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2010, 16:27:24 pm
Is there a time limit to buying a developer kit?

Looks to me like the developer kit just lets you play with their computer software.

I would say build a device... JLN has enough clues there... then if it works and you want to start a company selling the stuff, then go and buy your development license.

Do they even have a patent? What is stopping you from just using the technology anyway?
It's Intellectual Property, something similar to a patent. The developer kit is a learning module with flash videos to present their intellectual property and make it understandable. The fee is mainly for the right to USE. Developer licenses don't allow to sell the product commercially, but that wouldn't be the problem if someone had a working device ready to sell he could buy a commercial license.
JLN is only working with information he got off the internet, as far as i know he does not have access to the skdb, which does not contain relevant information at the moment anyway. The whole thing should start after the test data is released - or should i say if it is released.
I'm waiting for the data and its evaluation and then if people generally think the skdb stuff is worth the price, i won't spend money without knowing the risk.

Of course if someone builds a replication and uses it at home nobody will know that he does not have a license to use it.  ;) Again.. If..
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2010, 16:36:57 pm
Yea, so I don't get the developer thing, sounds like a money grab.

And based on what JLN shows, the technology isn't complicated at all, that being said, I don't know how practical it is, and if you can pull energy from it.

Your input is going to be the driving circuit that looks at position of the rotor with a sensor and then times the pulses to the toroid coils, and your output is going to be what ever you can pull off the rotation of the rotor without making it stop...
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2010, 17:34:17 pm
The developer license is for legal purposes. Also for membership to the SKDB which tells you how to build it.
As far as i understood Naudin did only the first demos from Steorn, who knows if his machine is "overunity". The energy is not gained by rotation but by placing a similar toroid coil in the exact height line with the other coils, so that while voltage is induced there is no back emf anywhere. The important thing is that if you have a rotor with magnets or not it does not matter because the energy for the input coils is the same (no back emf). And the current you can get from the rotating rotor magnets induction is also without a back emf.
It does not matter if the pick up (which is for getting energy out of it) coil is near the rotor or not for the input energy. So if you know that the magnetic flux drops off proportional to 1/r² the only parameter for energy gain is the distance.
The reason for that simple shorting in the demonstration is the form of the induced currents and the size of the model. Not enough power for a light bulb and current not straight and defined enough for powering the generator itself or a led. They said that in the demo. Of course they could have used a rectifying circuit and some more but that would only raise more doubts, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2010, 17:38:22 pm
Are you going to build one?
Check out the Flynn patents I posted in a new topic, there are 5 of them, and they make way more sense in a practical way than the orbo
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2010, 17:51:32 pm
I'll probably try it. Of most free energy claims i have seen this are the most legitimate, although there are of course major flaws and unnecessarily long delays in supply with information on Steorns side. I'll definitely look into your Flynn documents.
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 15, 2010, 18:53:46 pm
Looks like JLN is ahead of Steorn in delivering data: http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm#Loading
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2010, 14:36:46 pm
holy crap i just got my magnets. i purchased 8mm and 10mm diameter magnets. i wondered why it was so well packed with paper and more. instantly after getting the small ones out of the package they were attracted to the other magnets. the little ones got broken not a minute after unpacking, because they flew against a spoon and dropped to the floor. additionally i hurt two of my fingers, i didn't think these neodymium iron boron magnets were SO strong.  :o bought at magnetportal.de - the strongest magnets of the world. i guess they really are.
Title: Re: Steorn Orbo
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 16, 2010, 14:42:15 pm
I've broken a few of mine playing around too, they are fun.