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Title: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 24, 2009, 15:48:09 pm
Transformer with VIC setup
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2010, 19:35:26 pm
this is what i see as stans 6-1 config...  i see that the primary is wound longitudinal in space relationship of north and south...  i see that with a constant connection to positve battery potential the primary will have a polairzation on the core... this will cause electrons to cluster in a half moon while there are electrons missing on the other half at the displacment of 12 volts of potential...    so on the off time i see in the secondary and choke the same thing happening... this alone does not build potential... i see on the gate on time a front of electrons flowing though to deplete positive zone of primary and continuing to flow until off time... the only time the current makes a difference i think would be that brief moment that primary has a positive and negative polarization and the transition of the postive to a neg from the presence of introdueced electrons through the gate...  now imagining that a front of negative potential is traveling around the entire core length in a distributed manner effecting all cavities proportionately.. now one could have primary flow to where each secondary is sending electrons away from primary or towards... to send them away from the core you are sending current in the same direction of secondarys winding electrons travel in a outward direction in the secondarys winding spiraling away from the core while on off time it begins to pull again for half the circumference due to constant 12v polarization on primary during off time.. kinda seems like you can pump them in this manner
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2010, 21:32:42 pm
He Outlaw,

Can you make your drawing a little bit bigger?
They are sooo small.... ;) ;) ;) ;)


Steve
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 10, 2010, 22:03:17 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/Picture009.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/Picture008.jpg)
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 01:53:08 am
That Outlawstc was something I brought up a little while ago.  But the topic is a good one and something that seemed to have been left out in Stan's drawings to integrate the laser accelerator with the VIC by translating a digital signal to an analog voltage.  In my opinion.  It's something I will be working on.  Just trying to connect the proverbial dots.

Andy
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 02:41:45 am
yea i was thinking maybe stan had a analog signal on the positive source 0-12v variable with the gating transistor  on the other end to incorporate a digital means to the variable 0-12 analog...
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 04:26:04 am
So what do you mean outlaw by analog signal and digital signal .

Pulses are considered what again lol ?

That would mean 2 mosfets in series .

To me that makes no sense , there is only one on the ground side . Komtek had the same opinion but its just bizarre , anyways my logic permits that by a switch of a wire lead .

But running 2 mosfets in series can get noisy .

IMO If there is no current there is nothing , its just a bunch of mumbo jumbo .
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 04:59:30 am
what i mean is you have a ramped signal allowing positives potential to be seen in the coil from the battery haveing a variable ramp peak from 0- 12 volts with the incorperation of a digital gate..  is that possible to have a  regulative means  of veriating source voltage while gating a signal have both signals that are being transmitted from opposite sides of primary?


(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/analoganddigital.jpg)
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 05:21:46 am
Hi Outlawstc,

I had to go back to the technical brief to perhaps clear up what I was trying to explain.  Look at figure 3-5 of the technical brief.  Follow the path from the laser accelerator to the VIC.  The analog voltage generator is separate and somewhere inbetween.  There's logic to manage and control it.  So what could an analog voltage generator be?  I believe it might be similar to figure 7-13.  Maybe I'm right maybe I'm wrong.

Andy
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 05:41:37 am
o that ... well thats not easy to do at all with much amps trust me , things can get messy with even 5 volts logic pulsing a 12v transistor . You can probably make the signal @ low power on a breadboard without too much problems ...

Thats why I use all cmos with my pulser , all @ same pressure , much less problems .

What happens is that analog signals like sine wavea and op amps and digital signals dont like to me mixed for some reason ,  they need seperate ground return paths , and the power circuit needs also his own personal return path . They can all share the same +Power path tho , as long as its big and low impedance . And they need big return paths with low impedance (inductance) .If you tried to amplify that wave @ much amps you could start seeing some digital noise right on your wave . I am an eye witness to that phenomenon .



Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 05:50:33 am
you woulds have to have some type of circuit that allows potetial to to be transmited at a regulative level forming ramps pulses.. think what will happen is u have a ramping pulse going from 0-12volts  and that ramping pulse has a digitial signal being gated on the other side of the coil ....lets say the digital is pulsing 10 time while the ramp is rising in volt.. this digital being a 50 percent duty... on off time of the digital sig the ramp of potential at a proportional rate to the 10 pulses.. so even though gates off for digital there is still a rise in diplacement in the primary going on...then on the on time it has a chance to form current at a higher amp due to more volt being present in primary.. so its kinda like instead of just maintaining a constant 12 on the battery side of primarys connection when allowing a ramp signal with a gate you are not forceing amps to go from nothin to rapidy jump in primary it eases current into primary in a accerlating manner..  maybe this is a technique for better energy transmission into secondary and chokes? 
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 06:03:44 am
I am familar with those ramp circuit , that is how I had genius idea of making a phase shifter .\

What I did is I delayed   reference 50/50 square wave by 90 degrees with a xor and flipped flopped it  and had a square wave right in the middle of that wider ramp , wich was synched with the wave that formed that 90 degree late wave . I would then connect a comparator to that circuit and choose my treshold lvl , I could choose between 45 degress before the starting edge and 45 degress after the falling edge . That was my f/2 , I did the same thing for f/4 .

Problem was that things dont always go so nice in reality , noise can cause late or early threshold , it was unstable . Just breathing on it can cause it to jitter .

Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 06:20:46 am
was your ramp pulse in the form of neg potential or positive... meaning are u trying to force electrons out of a circuit to appear as a ramp pulse or are you variating positive potiental apearance in a coil whicc is a gate thats not having the force of electrons across it rather the vaccum of electrons through it from the constant positive 12v source that its connected to
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 06:45:11 am
here is a circuit for you , unfortunately I dont have the circuit for that ramp ave lol , I usedto just google it andalways find it , all rampe wave generator circuits are gone when googlin .

op amp should be an op amp made for dc powr + and ground pins.

Let me go and check my page , I linked it somewhere .

http://www.maxim-ic.com/app-notes/index.mvp/id/3655

Super op amp is gonna be your discovery , it needs fast slew rate for sure and good current .

Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 14:18:21 pm
LOL MORE COFFEE , MUST FINISH !!! :P

Looks like I will be late once again .

Only 10 days left before school , the pcb will take at least 2-3 weeks to come in .

Today im ordering it yep , bored out of my mind recheking for mistakes .

O yea , use the lm3900 as a dc op amp.
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 15:49:16 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/MeyerFig.gif)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/digital5-20khz.jpg)
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 11, 2010, 17:37:44 pm
Yeah thats a nice big circuit , it can be simplified with a dc biasing im pretty sure .

Altho you should make that one , it just has that official working look , mine was made in 30 minutes , I was pcbing and had the idea .
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 12, 2010, 15:03:50 pm
hey steve,
what happen to our youtube button for adding vids?



in this video of keven west.. he is using his alternator i think as his power source to  pulse a common microwave transformer on its primary leg.. he does not connect neutral to the rectifier only the hot leg of AC... so i would say this doent need a 4 way bridge it must be what he had at the time.... the microwave transformer is only seeing a positive pulse from  source. i dont know if he is gatting the rotors field of the alternator as well...  anyways  he connects the other leg of primary to the fuel cell... and the other side of the cell is connected to secondarys output.. he is coupling primarys electric connection over the water to secondary...  he has a blocking diode blocking potive charge and keeping it in secondary... he also has the neutral  electricaly connected to the excitor on the same side that secondary is connected...  the core is on a piece of wood and i believe it is isolated from ground

now lets think what this config is achieving ..  seems to show above average production on a 3 inch tube..
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 12, 2010, 19:00:18 pm
Ok recently dudleyengineering shared a basic transformer handbook with us.  I can't find it here now but after reading most of it here is what I found.

A longitudinal winding of a primary with a bidirectional secondary describes what is called a parametric converter.  It has unique properties with regards to a standard transformer configuration.  A core with magneto-restrictive properties such as nickel doubles the input frequency by changing its length.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2010, 23:14:28 pm
ok this is where i am with whats being sent to to primary on vic..

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/fuelcellcircuits.jpg)

there are three parts to the circuit in the pic..i will be explaining how i see them working in sync to produce for the car on demand 

1. the variable freq 12 volt source,, it is variable because this frequency is meant to lock on to injection cycles... the power source peak production is in sync with consumption..  it remains 12 volt constant and only varys in freq to match consumption frequency..

2. this circuit is used to control the amplitude of the source signal.. this is the circuit that is controlled by the gas managment system so when it produces to much it can turn down the source..

3. is a simple digital signal 50 percent cycle that is being controled by pll circuit and is gating the analog signal source. thats the signal that is locking on to resonance..

the last pic is the resulting wave to primary.. it is variable in a 1-12 volt amplitude, it is variable in analog frequency and it is variable in digital gating freq..
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 13, 2010, 23:39:32 pm
Hi Handyandy
Maybe you find this ' basic transformer handbook' and can share it . I am intereset  in this : A longitudinal winding of a primary with a bidirectional secondary describes what is called a parametric converter.  It has unique properties with regards to a standard transformer configuration.  A core with magneto-restrictive properties such as nickel doubles the input frequency by changing its length.
thank
siwa
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 13, 2010, 23:49:09 pm
hi siwa,

I think this is it: http://www.scribd.com/doc/22736442/Practical-Transformer-Handbook

There are other books too on scribd.com

Andy
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 14, 2010, 07:41:01 am
Thanks Handyandy
Do you know the page or chapter where in this book is this what you quote in your post ? I am searching and no luck - my english is wery bad , have trouble for reading many pages.
siwa
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 14, 2010, 15:24:40 pm
Hi Siwa,

If you look in the table of contents:  Parametric Converter pg. 31 and Magnetostriction pg. 45.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 14, 2010, 22:42:57 pm
Many thanks Handyandy
siwa
Title: Re: Transformer with VIC setup
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 25, 2011, 12:07:37 pm
Hello,I am a beginner and my English is not good enough,but I need some advise in which direction is better to try:Meyer WFC+ultrasonic or Meyer WFC+Avramenco/Tesla single wire.And for this reason I ask from the experienced ones about  what exactly to read because it is tones of  information,would take a lot of time with unknown results.It is a comparation of results,productivity of different ways,setups to produce hydrogen ?
Or where and who to ask these questions ?
I think I must clarify what I mean with single wire:Modified VIC see the atachment.I don-t remember now  from where I take-it.

Thanks for understanding,
 pmihai99