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Title: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
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Observed the properties of the water beginning to shift into the flammable state. This is due to particle oscillation the water is being subjected to by the ultrasonic unit. Water acts as catalyst at this stage.


Ultrasonic power supply (generator) converts DC voltage to high
frequency 25 kHz (25,000 cylces per second) electrical energy. This electrical energy is
transmitted to the transducer within the handpiece, where it is changed to mechanical
vibrations. The vibrations from the transducer are intensified by the probe (horn),
creating pressure waves in the liquid. This action forms millions of microscopic bubbles
(cavities) which expand during the negative pressure excursion, and implode violently
during the positive excursion. It is this phenomenon, referred to as cavitation, which
produces the powerful shearing action at the probe tip, and causes the molecules in the
liquid to become intensely agitated.

FREQUENCY AND AMPLITUDE
The radiating-wave frequencies most commonly used in ultrasonic cleaning, 18-120 kHz,
lie just above the audible frequency range. In any sonic system,the harmonics of the
fundamental frequency, together with vibrations originating at the container walls and
liquid surface, produce audible sound. Thus, an operating system that is fundamentally
ultrasonic will nonetheless by audible, and low frequency (20-kHz) systems will
generally be noisier than higher-frequency (40-kHz) systems.
Moreover, ultrasonic intensity is an integral function of the frequency and amplitude of a
radiating wave; therefore, a 20-kHz radiating wave will be approximately twice the
intensity of a 40-kHz wave for any given average power output, and consequently the
cavitation intensity resulting from a 20-kHz wave will be proportionately greater than that
resulting from a 40-kHz wave.
The cavitation phenomenon will, of course, occur less frequently at 20 kHz, but this is
not thought to have a significant bearing on effectiveness. However, the longer
wavelengths of low-frequency ultrasonic systems result in substantially different
standing-wave patters throughout the liquid medium.
The standing or stationary waves produced by ultrasonics in liquid media result from
the simultaneous transmission of the surface-reflected wave motion and the wave
motion originating at the transducer radiating surface. The fixed points of minimum
amplitude are called nodes, and the points of maximum amplitude are called loops.
The distance between the nodes and loops of the 20-kHz standing wave (2 in.) will be
approximately twice that of the 40-kHz wave. Because cavitation takes place primarily at
the loops, the distance between cavitation sites will thus be larger with 20-kHz than with
40-kHz radiation, and the 20-kHz waves will also have larger dead zones (i.e., zones with
little or no cavitation activity).
It is for this reason that work resulting from 20-kHz radiation is likely to be less
homogeneous and less consistent, even though this frequency produces more intense
cavitation. Much of the inhomogeneity in ultrasonic fields can, however, be reduced or
wholly eliminated through the use of sweep frequencies, or radiating waves with a
multitude of different frequencies. By this means, several overlapping standing waves
can be generated at the same time, thereby eliminating much of the dead zone.

The amplitude of the radiating wave is directly proportional to the electrical energy that
is applied to the transducer. In order for cavitation to be produced in a liquid medium,
the amplitude of the radiating wave must have a certain minimum value, which is usually
rated in terms of electrical input power to the transducer. No cavitation can occur below
this threshold value, and the use of electrical power over and above the minimum level
results not in more intense cavitation activity but rather in an increase in the overall
quantity of cavitation bubbles. The minimum power requirement for the production of
cavitation varies greatly with the colligative properties and temperature of the liquid and
with the nature and concentration of dissolved substances.
CAVITATION
If a sound wave is impressed upon a liquid and the intensity is increased, a point will be
reached where cavitation occurs. Cavitation is the formation of a gas bubble in the liquid
during the rarefaction cycle. When the compression cycle occurs the gas bubble
collapses. During the collapse tremendous pressures are produced. The pressure may
be of the order of several thousand atmospheres. Thousands of these small bubbles are
formed in a small volume of the liquid. It is quite generally agreed that it is cavitation
that produces most of the biological, detergent, mechanical, and chemical effects in the
application of high intensity sound to various mediums.
The intensity with which cavitation takes place in a liquid medium varies greatly with the
colligative properties of that medium, which include vapor pressure, surface tension,
viscosity, and density, as well as any other property that is related to the number of
atoms, ions, or molecules in the medium. In ultrasonic cleaning applications, the surface
tension and the vapor pressure characteristics of the cleaning fluid play the most
significant roles in determining cavitation intensity and, hence, cleaning effectiveness.
The energy required to form a cavitation bubble in a liquid is proportional to both
surface tension and vapor pressure. Thus, the higher the surface tension of a liquid, the
greater will be the energy that is required to produce a cavitation bubble, and,
consequently, the greater will be the shock-wave energy that is produced when the
bubble collapses. In pure water, for example, whose surface tension is about 72
dyne/cm, cavitation is produced only with great difficulty at ambient temperatures.
It is, however, produced with facility when a surface-active agent is added to the liquid,
thus reducing the surface tension to about 30 dyne/cm. In the same manner, when the
vapor pressure of a liquid is low, as is the case with cold water, cavitation is difficult to
produce but becomes less and less so as temperature is increased. Every liquid, in fact,
has a characteristic/temperature relationship in which cavitation exhibits maximum
activity within a fairly narrow temperature range.

THERMAL EFFECTS OF ULTRASONICS
There is considerable temperature rise in the ultrasonic field in a liquid. A rise of several
degrees per minute can be obtained. The generation in heat is due to dissipation of the
sound by absorption in the liquid. The generation of head by the action of ultrasonics
obscures the effects which can be attributed to sound alone because many chemical
and biological phenomena observed when ultrasonics are applied are also obtained by
the application of heat. The practical value of heating by ultrasonics remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 04:33:34 am
S team Resonator
Particle Oscillation As An Energy Generator
All energy in our physical universe (The third dimension) comes from a singular source ... the atom.
There are four basic forces that make up and effect the atomic structure: electrical force, electromagnetic force,
weak and strong nuclear forces, and gravity. By either attenuating either one or more of these atomic forces,
energy can be release from the atom to perform work in a variety of ways: such as, emitting photon,
electromagnetic, or even radiant heat energy; Exposing the water molecule atom (s) to an external electrical
attraction force (SS '/RR') separately or combining the external electrical attraction force with an external
electrical repelling force (SS'-TT'/RR'-WW') can cause the bipolar electrical charged water molecule atom (s)
to release thermal heat energy when physical impact (physical force) is achieved as a result of particle (s)
colliding together under electrical stress which becomes and is the physical mover ... causing electron bounce
to oscillate the energy aperture of each atom of the water molecule.
Voltage Flexing Process
Particle oscillation as a "Energy Generator" by way of "physical impact" caused by a
singular unipolar voltage pulse wave-form alternately polarity triggered is yet another method
beyond the prior art to flex the water molecule to release thermal energy (Kinetic Energy) from
the water molecule atom (s) without the need of gas combustion brought about by gas separation
from water, as so illustrated in (1050) of Figure (11-5).

This continued and repeated oscillation of the bipolar water molecule (1004/1006) in
opposite direction of linear travel (back and forth motion) produces kinetic energy (165) when the
moving and deflected bipolar water molecule (1004/1006) or any other bipolar molecule of water
interlocking with ever changing electrical attraction forces (S-S' /R-R') collides with neighboring
water molecules present in the same water bath (68).

Not only does the alternate first gated voltage pulse (B+/O - B-/O) and then the second
gated voltage pulse (OIB+ - OIB-) oscillates the bipolar water molecule (s) back and forth in rapid
succession to produce heated water at a predetermined temperature level on demand; but, also,
deflects the oscillating bipolar water molecule in an upward direction since the reforming voltage
pulse waves are always in a state of progressive movement of linear displacement ... performing
the same function as a water pump ... a water pump, however, not having any mechanical moving
parts to wear out.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 04:43:10 am
Interesting , I wonder if my hydrophone will pick up cavitation activity , or any sort of echoing with the virations bouncing back .
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 04:49:20 am
Look at the sweet stuff these people have guys.
Can't wait to buy a Ultrasonic Injector.
YEAH I WISH I COULD BUY 1 BUT NOT FOR $4299.00
Sonaer Inc. 145 Rome Street Farmingdale, New York 11735
Ultrasonic - Atomizer Nozzles, Nebulizers, Processors, Generators
20kHz to 2.4MHz
http://www.sonozap.com/home_page.htm
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 11:03:36 am
Look at the sweet stuff these people have guys.
Can't wait to buy a Ultrasonic Injector.
YEAH I WISH I COULD BUY 1 BUT NOT FOR $4299.00
Sonaer Inc. 145 Rome Street Farmingdale, New York 11735
Ultrasonic - Atomizer Nozzles, Nebulizers, Processors, Generators
20kHz to 2.4MHz
http://www.sonozap.com/home_page.htm

Great stuff,  fastimports3 !
A bit difficult to followe.....Have you got any test result that proves this?

Hmmm, New York....Sorry way to far away....otherwise..... ;)
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 20:02:12 pm
Build and install this unit on the cold fog gen unit aka Steam Resonator I believe and you should have fire in the hole.
Look at MEMO WFC420 page 1-8 of Stans full Data pdf
It explains in full how Stans system works.
His systm had nothing to do with electrolysis. He was using pure sound waves aka ultrasonic vibrations to shred the water.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 20:20:52 pm
An experiment that really inspired me was the breaking glass experiment , @ a certain point the echoing builds up and causes standing soun d waves that go against eachother and adds stress on the molecular level untill it breaks .
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 21:18:00 pm
Interesting , I wonder if my hydrophone will pick up cavitation activity , or any sort of echoing with the virations bouncing back .

I think cavitation occurs when the oscillations are faster than the 'speed of sound in water' , so this might give errors in your hydrophone readings, or might damage it? not sure though.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 23:19:23 pm
Just as cavitation bubbles form on a fast-spinning boat propeller, they may also form on the tails and fins of aquatic animals. The effects of cavitation are especially important near the surface of the ocean, where the ambient water pressure is relatively low and cavitation is more likely to occur.

For powerful swimming animals like dolphins and tuna, cavitation may be detrimental, because it limits their maximum swimming speed.[5] Even if they have the power to swim faster, dolphins may have to restrict their speed because collapsing cavitation bubbles on their tail are too painful. Cavitation also slows tuna, but for a different reason. Unlike dolphins, these fish do not feel the painful bubbles, because they have bony fins without nerve endings. Nevertheless, they cannot swim faster because the cavitation bubbles create an air film around their fins that limits their speed. Lesions have been found on tuna that are consistent with cavitation damage.

Cavitation is not always a limitation for sea life; some animals have found ways to use it to their advantage when hunting prey. The pistol shrimp snaps a specialized claw to create cavitation, which can kill small fish. The mantis shrimp (of the smasher variety) uses cavitation as well in order to stun, smash open, or kill the shellfish that it feasts upon.


Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 23:53:22 pm
picture of cavitation damage:

(http://www.originalpropshop.com.au/Images/800px-Cavitation_Propeller_Damage.jpg)

This picture below, is completely underwater! the bubbles you see are boiling water caused by low pressure, cavitation!
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa105/kenuwf/cavitation.jpg)

another one, pretty cool!
(http://www.rcboataholic.com/images/props/cavitation.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 15, 2009, 00:58:30 am
There's a pic of something I use to seeing jet ski impeller burnt by cavitation.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 17, 2009, 09:57:50 am
Dissociation of the water molecule by way of voltage stimulation is
herein called "'The Electrical Polarization Process".
,Subjecting or exposing the water molecule to even higher voltage
levels causes the liberated atoms to go into a "state" of gas
ionization. Each liberated atom taking-on its own "net" electrical
charge. The ionized atoms along with free floating negative charged
electrons are, now, deflected (pulsing electrical voltage fields of
opposite polarity) through the Electrical Polarization
Process ...imparting or superimposing a second physical-force
(particle-impact) unto the electrically charged water bath.
Oscillation (back and forth movement) of electrically charged
particles by way of voltage deflection is hereinafter
called "Resonant Action", as illustrated in Figure (1-10).
Attenuating and adjusting the "pulse-voltage-amplitude" with respect
to the "pulse voltage frequency", now, produces hydrogen gas on
demand while restricting amp flow.
Stanley A. Meyer
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 18, 2009, 08:30:04 am
Cavitation is a very interresting phenomenon .

The steam resonator was interresteing indeed , perhaps the real truth lies somewhere in the middle of the VIC and steam resonator , something is missing thats for sure  . Physical vibration of elements/echoing of the sound/timed voltage spikes  .

The only thing I wanna know is what link does element lenght and water have , what is that dam water resonance , or is there .

Somebody throw out a number from the bible  , the truth must be somewhere , perhaps it is a mutiple of the water molecule wavelenght or some phi thing ...

Perhaps it is an X value and is just meant to be tuned around that element , no special relationship involved .

Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 18, 2009, 09:48:54 am
Dankie
Quote
Perhaps it is an X value and is just meant to be tuned around that element , no special relationship involved .

EXACTLY EACH WATER CELL RESONATES AT DIFFERENT FREQ.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE ULTRASONIC TRANSDUCERS WHEN STAN WAS DOING THIS RESEARCH. He made his own for the job.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 21, 2009, 05:11:18 am
Here is a wonderful new article I found .

http://machinedesign.com/article/new-touch-sensor-uses-trapped-acoustic-resonance-technology-to-monitor-contacts-0908
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 26, 2009, 02:01:08 am
Ultrasonic Levitation
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 26, 2009, 17:49:49 pm
very cool channel .

Yep , the Meyers stuff is ultrasonic alrite . His cell was a resonating sonic transducer , a keely type device .
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 26, 2009, 17:57:05 pm
If it's in the audio range, then how is it ultrasonic?

Ultrasonic would be above 20,000 Hz, which Stan says specifically "isn't going to do you any good" because the action is really when you hit it with the voltage during resonance, the water just falls apart. - NZ Video

It may have "sonic" effects, but not "ultrasonic" effects
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 26, 2009, 18:11:42 pm
If it's in the audio range, then how is it ultrasonic?

Ultrasonic would be above 20,000 Hz, which Stan says specifically "isn't going to do you any good" because the action is really when you hit it with the voltage during resonance, the water just falls apart. - NZ Video

It may have "sonic" effects, but not "ultrasonic" effects

Who cares what Stan said , he cant explain things correctly . His brother did a better job @ explaining , he compares the element to a tuning fork hit by a hammer , the hammer being the signal @ the correct frequency


Its ultrasonic/subsonic  but pulsed by low frequencies . Puharich talks of 18 Ghz sound waves and a pure tone coming out of his cell @ 600 hz .

Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 05:20:37 am
I'm thinkin the tubes need to be turned down kind of thin to make them ring right. Or at least in the correct freq.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 08:04:12 am
NASA Gas properties definition
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/gasprop.html
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 11:49:46 am
If it's in the audio range, then how is it ultrasonic?

Ultrasonic would be above 20,000 Hz, which Stan says specifically "isn't going to do you any good" because the action is really when you hit it with the voltage during resonance, the water just falls apart. - NZ Video

It may have "sonic" effects, but not "ultrasonic" effects

Who cares what Stan said , he cant explain things correctly . His brother did a better job @ explaining , he compares the element to a tuning fork hit by a hammer , the hammer being the signal @ the correct frequency


Its ultrasonic/subsonic  but pulsed by low frequencies . Puharich talks of 18 Ghz sound waves and a pure tone coming out of his cell @ 600 hz .


The spikes in his system look like plasma discharge oscillations, formed after breakdown, making the water fully conductive.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 12:18:12 pm
So does this make sense to anyone here?
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 13:06:32 pm
you dont think maybe with the idea of building parasitic capacitance in a balanced load that   allows water to polarize and thhat since there is balance it will allow water to act on its own frequency?  like if waters freq is in the gigahertz would there not be harmonic low frequencys  that u can generate the main capacitive charge at?
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 13:33:20 pm
I think this unit will work $200 10 Disk Ultrasonic Humidifier
3000mL of water to fog a hour
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 21, 2009, 16:26:14 pm
Catalyst Demo using N2O Nitrous Oxide NOS

Blowing N2O Nitrous Oxide through a Dajrum Black Clove. COMPARE FLAMES TO RELATED VIDS LISTED The general feature of catalysis is that the catalytic reaction has a lower rate-limiting free energy change to the transition state than the corresponding uncatalyzed reaction, resulting in a larger reaction rate at the same temperature. However, the mechanistic origin of catalysis is complex. Catalysts may affect the reaction environment favorably, e.g. acid catalysts for reactions of carbonyl compounds form specific intermediates that are not produced naturally, such as osmate esters in osmium tetroxide-catalyzed dihydroxylation of alkenes, or cause lysis of reagents to reactive forms, such as atomic hydrogen in catalytic hydrogenation. Kinetically, catalytic reactions behave like typical chemical reactions, i.e. the reaction rate depends on the frequency of contact of the reactants in the rate-determining step. Usually, the catalyst participates in this slow step, and rates are limited by amount of catalyst.

Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 15, 2010, 05:06:39 am
Hot Steam Cold Fog Flame Test.wmv

The ionized atoms along with free floating negative charged electrons are, now, deflected (pulsing electrical voltage fields of opposite polarity) through the Electrical Polarization Process ...imparting or superimposing a second physical-force (particle-impact) unto the electrically charged water bath. Oscillation (back and forth movement) of electrically charged particles by way of voltage deflection is hereinafter called "Resonant Action", as illustrated in Figure (1-10). Attenuating and adjusting the "pulse-voltage-amplitude" with respect to the "pulse voltage frequency", now, produces hydrogen gas on demand while restricting amp flow.
Stanley A. Meyer

 A little bit about Ultrasonics now...
 Ultrasonic power supply (generator) converts DC voltage to high frequency 25 kHz (25,000 cylces per second) electrical energy. This electrical energy is transmitted to the transducer within the handpiece, where it is changed to mechanical vibrations. The vibrations from the transducer are intensified by the probe (horn), creating pressure waves in the liquid. This action forms millions of microscopic bubbles (cavities) which expand during the negative pressure excursion, and implode violently during the positive excursion. It is this phenomenon, referred to as cavitation, which produces the powerful shearing action at the probe tip, and causes the molecules in the liquid to become intensely agitated. Energy in water has been increased by physically slamming water molecule together shearing outer covalent electrons off water molecule increasing the energy potential of water because moving the electrons out of orbit via particle oscillation or particle impact.

Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2010, 02:22:33 am
Flame VS Cold Fog Transducer NICE!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 19, 2010, 16:14:34 pm
Flame VS Cold Fog Transducer NICE!!!!!!!

Hi Fastimport,

Good tests!
The idea of using fog is a good one, but you still need some hydrogen as catalist to see some chainreaction, in my opinion.
So, not only a flame, but first you need to mix the fog with some hho or H before you ignite it....

Steve

Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 26, 2010, 01:12:58 am
UV-C Lighting In chamber to increase energy of water by adding O3 in2 Fog Gen...
Here are some pics...
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 26, 2010, 11:33:43 am
Nice , very nice, FI!

I have seen those lights  in my petstore. Special lights of cleaning water.

Did you notice any changes?

Steve
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 27, 2010, 04:42:55 am
No on vehicle test run yet... Just got tranny rebuilt for van so I'll be headed back to it soon.... I'll keep ya posted when I get it on the dyno.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2010, 18:32:02 pm
Maybe this is Stan's True secret of the LC Series Circuit?(http://procoent.com/forum/Smileys/yarex2/huh.gif)

Example
If   we measure the ac voltages across L and C, we find vL = 43v and vC =   33v. Yet our source voltage is still just 10v. What's going on here? How   can we get 76v across two components in series across a 10v source?

The   Vectors
The vectors in a series LC circuit.

The answer is   clear when we look at the voltage vectors in this circuit. They are   shown to the right.

Since this is a series circuit, the current   is the same throughout the circuit. With no circuit resistance, there is   no resistive voltage, so we simply show the current vector in red, at   the reference phase angle of 0°.

We know that voltage leads   current in an inductance, so we show vL at a phase angle of +90°. We   also know that voltage lags current in a capacitance, so we show vC at   -90°. And this gives us our first clue as to what is happening in this   circuit and how we can get both vL and vC to be higher than the source   voltage: they oppose each other, and at least partially cancel each   other out. It is the difference between these two voltages that must   match the source voltage, and sure enough, 43v - 33v = 10v.

RE:   Hydrogen Fracturing Process Memo WFC 420
_________________________________________________ ____________________________
Stanley   A. Meyer 1 - 3
LC Voltage
The voltage across the inductor (C) or capacitor (ER) is   greater than the applied voltage (H). At
frequency close to   resonance, the voltage across the individual components is higher than   the applied
voltage
(H), and, at resonant frequency, the   voltage VT across both the inductor and the c:apacitor are
theoretically   infinite. However, physical constraints of components and circuit   interaction prevents the
voltage from reaching infinity.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2010, 06:05:45 am
Sure enough that is the case , its absolutely essential to understand those vectors and the resultant impedance of a given load .
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2010, 17:54:44 pm
Maybe this is Stan's True secret of the LC Series Circuit?(http://procoent.com/forum/Smileys/yarex2/huh.gif)

Example
If   we measure the ac voltages across L and C, we find vL = 43v and vC =   33v. Yet our source voltage is still just 10v. What's going on here? How   can we get 76v across two components in series across a 10v source?

The   Vectors
The vectors in a series LC circuit.

The answer is   clear when we look at the voltage vectors in this circuit. They are   shown to the right.

Since this is a series circuit, the current   is the same throughout the circuit. With no circuit resistance, there is   no resistive voltage, so we simply show the current vector in red, at   the reference phase angle of 0°.

We know that voltage leads   current in an inductance, so we show vL at a phase angle of +90°. We   also know that voltage lags current in a capacitance, so we show vC at   -90°. And this gives us our first clue as to what is happening in this   circuit and how we can get both vL and vC to be higher than the source   voltage: they oppose each other, and at least partially cancel each   other out. It is the difference between these two voltages that must   match the source voltage, and sure enough, 43v - 33v = 10v.

RE:   Hydrogen Fracturing Process Memo WFC 420
_________________________________________________ ____________________________
Stanley   A. Meyer 1 - 3
LC Voltage
The voltage across the inductor (C) or capacitor (ER) is   greater than the applied voltage (H). At
frequency close to   resonance, the voltage across the individual components is higher than   the applied
voltage
(H), and, at resonant frequency, the   voltage VT across both the inductor and the c:apacitor are
theoretically   infinite. However, physical constraints of components and circuit   interaction prevents the
voltage from reaching infinity.
Very good fastimport,

Phase difference is the most logical step on the road to get zero amps and high voltage. Stan seems to cut off power to the resonant circuit after the voltage peak and before the current peak came in.

Steve
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2010, 18:16:05 pm
Yes, voltage step-up only helps if the water molecule disassociation happened by electrostatic force, which would be making use of reactive power. With normal electrolysis even a parallel resonant circuit wouldn't help (normally steps-up current) because in a plate capacitor with water in between the current-leakage through the water can be modelled as a ohmic resistor in parallel.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2010, 22:04:12 pm
And thats the big question, is it......
Does a voltage field split the water molecule or not.
 
The only fenomenon with water and volts is that with higher volts, higher amps flow thru it.
 
 
Steve
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 15, 2010, 21:38:35 pm
Excellent Electrical Reference Site
www.play-hookey.com

Also the secret to more then just the fuel cell seems to be in reactive power.
This is a quote from one of my dads engineering books.

"Side BC of triangle is equal to EI sin 0 and is lagging the voltage by 90 degrees.
This power is generally referred to as reactive power, reactive power component or reactive load. In practical power applications this component should be made as small as possible, because while doing no useful work it causes additional heating of windings and conductors through which it circulates."

Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 25, 2010, 07:14:45 am
            (http://www.tpub.com/content/doe/h1011v1/img/h1011v1_29_1.jpg)    (http://www.tpub.com/content/doe/h1011v1/img/h1011v1_29_2.jpg)          (http://www.tpub.com/content/doe/h1011v1/img/h1011v1_29_3.jpg)        Basic Electrical Theory   ATOM AND ITS FORCES  The strength of the attraction or of the repulsion force depends upon two factors:  (1) the amount  of charge on each object, and (2) the distance between the objects.   The greater the charge on  the objects, the greater the electrostatic field.   The greater the distance between the objects, the  weaker  the  electrostatic  field  between  them,  and  vice  versa.    This  leads  us  to  the  law  of  electrostatic attraction, commonly referred to as Coulomb’s Law of electrostatic charges, which  states that the force of electrostatic attraction, or repulsion, is directly proportional to the product  of  the  two  charges  and  inversely  proportional  to  the  square  of  the  distance  between  them  as  shown in Equation 1-1.  (1-1)  F  K  q1  q2  d2  where  F   = force of electrostatic attraction or prepulsion (Newtons)  K   = constant of proportionality (Coulomb2/N-m2)  q1  = charge of first particle (Coulombs)  q2  = charge of second particle (Coulombs)  d   = distance between two particles (Meters)  If  q1   and  q2   are  both  either  Figure 7    Potential Difference Between Two Charged Objects  positively   or   negatively  charged, the force is repulsive.  If    q1    and    q2    are    opposite  polarity or charge, the force is  attractive.  Potential Difference  Potential difference is the term  used to describe how large the  electrostatic  force  is  between  two   charged   objects.   If   a  charged   body   is   placed  between   two   objects   with   a  potential   difference,   the  charged body will try to move  in   one   direction,   depending  upon the polarity of the object.   If an electron is placed between a negatively-charged body and  a positively-charged body, the action due to the potential difference is to push the electron toward  the positively-charged object.   The electron, being negatively charged, will be repelled from the  negatively-charged object and attracted by the positively-charged object, as shown in Figure 7. 



   
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 25, 2010, 07:16:40 am
                    (http://www.tpub.com/content/doe/h1011v1/img/h1011v1_30_1.jpg)        ATOM AND ITS FORCES   Basic Electrical Theory  Due to the force of its electrostatic field, these electrical charges have the ability to do work by  moving another charged particle by attraction and/or repulsion.  This ability to do work is called  "potential";  therefore,  if  one  charge  is  different  from  another,  there  is  a  potential  difference  between them.   The sum of the potential differences of all charged particles in the electrostatic  field is referred to as electromotive force (EMF).  The  basic  unit  of  measure  of  potential  difference  is  the  "volt."    The  symbol  for  potential  difference is "V," indicating the ability to do the work of forcing electrons to move.   Because  the volt unit is used, potential difference is also called "voltage."   The unit volt will be covered  in greater detail in the next chapter.  Free Electrons  Electrons are in rapid motion around the nucleus.   While the electrostatic force is trying to pull  the nucleus and the electron together, the electron is in motion and trying to pull away.   These  two  effects  balance,  keeping  the  electron  in  orbit.   The  electrons  in  an  atom  exist  in  different  energy levels.   The energy level of an electron is proportional to its distance from the nucleus.  Higher energy level electrons exist in orbits, or shells, that are farther away from the nucleus.  These shells nest inside one another and surround the nucleus.   The nucleus is the center of all  the shells.   The shells are lettered beginning with the shell nearest the nucleus:   K, L, M, N, O,  P, and Q.  Each shell has a maximum number of electrons it can hold.  For example, the K shell  will hold a maximum of two electrons and the L shell will hold a maximum of eight electrons.  As  shown  in  Figure 8,  each  shell  has  a  specific  number  of  electrons  that  it  will  hold  for  a  particular atom.  Figure 8    Energy Shells and Electron Quota
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 25, 2010, 07:18:39 am
                  Basic Electrical Theory   ATOM AND ITS FORCES  There are two simple rules concerning electron shells that make it possible to predict the electron  distribution of any element:  1.   The maximum number of electrons that can fit in the outermost shell of any atom  is eight.  2.   The maximum number of electrons that can fit in the next-to-outermost shell of  any atom is 18.  An important point to remember is that when the outer shell of an atom contains eight electrons,  the atom becomes very stable, or very resistant to changes in its structure.  This also means that  atoms  with one  or two electrons  in their outer  shell can  lose electrons much  more easily than  atoms with full outer shells.   The electrons in the outermost shell are called valence electrons.  When external energy, such as heat, light, or electrical energy, is applied to certain materials, the  electrons gain energy, become excited, and may move to a higher energy level.  If enough energy  is applied to the atom, some of the valence electrons will leave the atom.   These electrons are  called  free  electrons.    It  is  the  movement  of  free  electrons  that  provides  electric  current  in  a  metal conductor.   An atom that has lost or gained one or more electrons is said to be ionized or  to have an ion change.   If the atom loses one or more electrons, it becomes positively charged  and  is  referred  to  as  a  positive  ion.    If  an  atom  gains  one  or  more  electrons,  it  becomes  negatively charged and is referred to as a negative ion.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 25, 2010, 23:23:54 pm
wait a minute, where does the energy come from that keeps the electron in orbit?

mother nature...
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 25, 2010, 23:31:36 pm
wait a minute, where does the energy come from that keeps the electron in orbit?
don't push the model too hard..
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 26, 2010, 00:50:54 am
I've had and got the right idea for quite awhile on the operation of fuel cell. It works in water much like a ozone gen like sharper image does....   But in  liquid.....  I';m stuck by the math used to calculate the correct matching parts... :(    CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME OUT HERE....  Also are the inside and outsides of tube surfaces coated with a insulator to keep the WFC from becoming a inductive heater? :-\
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 26, 2010, 01:37:52 am
If you run cell on 110VDC with electrolyte it produces HHO gases for very short time then creates steam like inductive heater.... Temp goes out the roof....
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 26, 2010, 15:48:55 pm
Sorry to refer to the tubes being used for electrolysis as WFC.... Same SS setup.... Totally different circuits and methods of separation....

So I am right in the fact I need a inductance meter to calculate the LC Resonant Circuit Values? I have a capacitance meter built in multimeter... If I can get my values with capacitance value of WFC only... Please let me know...
Thank You
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 29, 2010, 00:08:30 am
Bought a meter should be on the way hopefully this will getter done....
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 01, 2010, 16:40:58 pm
                      WFC Experiment using HV for Voltage Potential \ EMF     
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 00:29:52 am
Looks like a good photon adder to the mix .

I am really switching gears now as I see that Kapadze is almost at an armgrab , I need to clear away the disinfo end understand what sr was doin , I got itnow I think .

I am sorry if I cannot help you more than I have ..
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 00:57:20 am
The electrode where the bright light is seen from is where the free electrons are being consumed....
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 01:12:30 am
is that an EEC?
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 04:00:28 am
Electron Extraction Circuit???? =   EEC???
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 05:40:50 am
yes, is that what you are doing
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2010, 10:19:00 am
Yes it is a EEC then by Stans definitions. It produces free electrons and consumes them as well.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2010, 07:57:34 am
WFC Experiment Reverse Polarity HV for Voltage Potential \ EMF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fki6kz3J3po)
This   time we changed the polarity of the diodes and ended up losing the   bright yellow light on the sparking electrode. I believe the H2 is now   being produced on the cell vs consumed in the spark.           

Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 15, 2010, 08:04:50 am
I used a 7kv neon sign transformer then full wave rectified it to make a particle charger out of it. Then put the pos side to intake of fogger unit and neg side to the output to engine intake of the fogger unit... Noticed improvements here in acceleration. Have not tested mileage only


 Before adding particle charger no gas mileage was gained when not towing and engine would load up or respond sluggish. But did notice torque improvement during heavy tow applications was noticed allowing vehicle to hit higher speeds when used under load with improved gas mileage when towing.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 15, 2010, 08:17:54 am
Hey fst if that is the case your using too much fuel in normal driving conditions.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 16, 2010, 00:29:26 am
That was my thoughts too Ewok I haven't had a chance to buy the adj fuel presure reg yet for a chevy tbi but it is on my list of things to try. Right now though the ionization of the intake air seems to be doing the job though. So it makes me wonder if it was too rich or if the water was too much and cooling the combustion temp too much.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2010, 01:25:57 am


This is a neon power supply used in video...
I'm working on Tesla coil circuit to power a much larger cell.....
Here's a couple of links that will help everyone to build a working WFC.

Tesla Coil Cad
http://www.richardsplace.net/tesladownload.htm (http://www.richardsplace.net/tesladownload.htm)
This will allow you to plug your WFC capacitance in spot of top load or toroid to aid in building resonant transformers.

This is Andrija PUHARICH Water Decomposition by AC Electrolysis Circuit...
(http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/2fig1.jpg)
And waveform
(http://www.rexresearch.com/puharich/1fig5.jpg)

Here's a link to the pulsing power supply needed to pull this off....

Eastern Voltage Research
Go here for Plasmasonic Instruction Manual (PDF)
http://www.easternvoltageresearch.com/datasheets/plasma2_manual.pdf (http://www.easternvoltageresearch.com/datasheets/plasma2_manual.pdf)

Features:
 
- Full-Bridge switching circuit for high power operation
- Configurable as pulsed SSTC or CW SSTC (Audio Modulation)
- Customizable Audio Filtering
- 10-Step LED Onboard VU Meter
- Connects directly to practically any audio source
- Operates from 50kHz to 350kHz
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2010, 09:51:43 am
A small comment from my part here.
Many people say that the puharich circuit is AC.
But is it?
Look how one side of the output circuit is hooked up to GROUND.
So, only half AC cycle possible there, is it.....= dc pulse

Steve






Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2010, 11:53:37 am
Puharih Circuit is AC because he's using audio amplifiers to drive AC...
I full on believe it is a Tesla magnifier circuit aka voltage intensifier circuit.
Check out the wave form in the manual of the solid state tesla coil...
It is half wave rectified.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 04, 2010, 18:42:38 pm
Why not use then a multiple of 2 tube sets for each half wave rectification.  That's what I played with in my ac experiments.  Each tube set gets a dc pulse with a 50% pulse width or rest period.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2011, 03:40:39 am
 using emissions as patone device   I'm thinking about trying to use the engines air injectors from smog pump to create a pantone type device using the crankcase ventilation. Has anyone tried this yet?
 (http://repairguide.autozone.com/znetrgs/repair_guide_content/en_us/images/0900c152/80/08/1f/ee//small/0900c15280081fee.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 10, 2011, 23:31:08 pm
using emissions as patone device   I'm thinking about trying to use the engines air injectors from smog pump to create a pantone type device using the crankcase ventilation. Has anyone tried this yet?
 (http://repairguide.autozone.com/znetrgs/repair_guide_content/en_us/images/0900c152/80/08/1f/ee//small/0900c15280081fee.jpg)


You mean that you want to use the carbon vapour?

Steve
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 12, 2011, 00:45:05 am
You can remove the one way valves from air injector tubes redirect them to a paint can with the pcv vapors and water which contain small amounts of oil which would be super heated from the exhaust gases then feed it back in2 the intake.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 13, 2011, 14:45:59 pm
You can remove the one way valves from air injector tubes redirect them to a paint can with the pcv vapors and water which contain small amounts of oil which would be super heated from the exhaust gases then feed it back in2 the intake.

Thats a way to slow hho down and to make yr engine better on hho.

are you doing such tests at the moment?
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 17, 2011, 00:18:02 am
No was throwing the idea out to get feedback on the basic thought in comparison to Pantones method.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 30, 2011, 01:03:02 am
Unipolar particle chargers with UV-C lamp for photoelectric electromagnetic effects
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 30, 2011, 01:14:42 am
 
(http://www.hydrodrive.co.in/flickering_cluster.gif)


ENERGIZING WATER MOLECULE COMPOSITION (http://www.hydrodrive.co.in/ENERGISING%20WATER%20MOLECULAR%20COMPOSITIONS.htm) www.hydrodrive.co.in (http://www.hydrodrive.co.in/)
 Hydrogen bonding of water molecules provides unique solvent with properties essential to many physical, chemical, and biological processes. Hydrogen bond, the faint force between hydrogen and the more electronegative oxygen, is known to have vibrational phases that may be excited by numerous forms of energy transfer.
 (http://www.hydrodrive.co.in/ENERGISING%20WATER%20MOLECULAR%20COMPOSITIONS.htm) http://www.hydrodrive.co.in/ENERGISING%20WATER%20MOLECULAR%20COMPOSITIONS.htm (http://www.hydrodrive.co.in/ENERGISING%20WATER%20MOLECULAR%20COMPOSITIONS.htm)
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 30, 2011, 13:47:35 pm
Unipolar particle chargers with UV-C lamp for photoelectric electromagnetic effects

So, you added the UV-C light to the water vapour?
Maybe add also a HV-ionizer and then you might drive your car to the streets...    ;D

Any results on the UV-C?

Steve
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 01, 2011, 20:53:37 pm
I had to buy a new fogger head because the one I had was mounted in the bottom of the box. So the unit was constantly submerged in the water. The epoxy inside of unit started leaking at some point and is now dead. Here's a link where I found a new fogger head for $88.
http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/101665406.html (http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/101665406.html)

Here are also pics on how I'm preparing to remedy this problem. I'm mounting fogger on bottom side to keep everything except the transducer dry.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 03, 2011, 05:59:40 am
Here's a pdf of the important stuff posted with explanations to Stans WFC book.

Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 12, 2011, 20:48:12 pm
Hi FI,

Thanks for sharing this part of the water technology!
You keep on going with it. I like that.

I think you are aware of the steam to hydrogen technology.
My two cents with waterdrops is to use one drop of water with every explosion in the cylinder.
That drop must expand into gas.
with a ratio of 1 to 1800, the piston must move downward.

regards
Steve




Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2011, 18:03:18 pm
Thank you Steve for the info.
Here is a drawing of the next fogger setup I'm working on.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2011, 01:31:34 am
Here's a link to a excellent tool for everyone. Paired with a Zero Ohm stable audio amplifier you can start testing switch mode power supply transformers for the one that works best for you.

PWM Generator
The PWM Generator can generate Pulse Width Modulation signals in real time.
http://www.esseraudio.com/en/pwm-generator.html
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2011, 10:25:19 am
Thank you Steve for the info.
Here is a drawing of the next fogger setup I'm working on.

I am impressed, FI3..
Glad you are sticking to this.
I have noticed those UV lamps for ponds as well....
Maybe you can do a small test with those lamps just on HHO gas?
Just see if it gives some reaction?
Just use enough HHO to run a burner. Lamps on and lamps off.... See if notice any difference...

Steve
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 02, 2011, 23:22:55 pm
Hi Steve,

 I have tried UV-C lighting on HHO gas sometime ago. I did not see a difference in burn of the flame. Which would make sense because the work of breaking the water into a fuel has already been done. The UV-C light is to assist in the breakdown of water into fuel. This is why Meyers called it molecular disassociation of the water molecule into energy.



I'm referencing a part from a web page posted earlier...
http://www.hydrodrive.co.in/ENERGISING%20WATER%20MOLECULAR%20COMPOSITIONS.htm (http://www.hydrodrive.co.in/ENERGISING%20WATER%20MOLECULAR%20COMPOSITIONS.htm)

 Certain energy transfer to water molecules can excite or energize the O—H stretch vibrational modes of the hydrogen bonds. There exists various excited states of H2O and the diffusion, relaxation and reorientation from the excited (or energized) states of the O—H stretch vibration will lead to a change of the hydrogen bond dynamics of liquid water.                         The terms “excite”, “activate”, “energize”, “irradiate” or “stimulate” interchangeably refer to a process that adds a discrete amount of energy (“excitation energy”) to a system such as atom(s) and molecule(s), which results in a transition of the system from a baseline energy state (“ground state”) to one of higher energy state (“excited state”). For example, excited electronic or vibrational states usually occur following the absorption of radiation of certain frequency (e.g., that corresponds to the energy differentials between the ground state and the excited state). The excited state is typically short-lived and can return to the ground state through processes such as radiative emission (fluorescence), thermal emission (heat) and by reaction.
                        The vibrational dynamics of water in the proximity of a surface (i.e., interfacial water) demonstrate different behaviors depending on the phase/states of the water, i.e., whether the water is in liquid or gaseous phases. For liquid water, the vibrational dynamic also differs depending on whether the liquid water is bulk or confined.

Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 04, 2011, 23:22:30 pm
Whatever our resources of primary energy may be in the future, we must, to be rational, obtain it without consumption of any material" Nikola Tesla
 
 
 
            Here is some of my research I have shared yet. The ignition system is also the power supply to these devices. It is a magnetic flux compression device.
.
 
THE FUNDEMENTALS NEEDED
 
Marko Rodin has discovered the source of the non-decaying spin of the electron. Although scientists know that all electrons in the universe spin, they have never discovered the source of this spin. Rodin has. He has discovered the underpinning geometry of the universe, the fabric of time itself. He has done this by reducing all higher mathematics – calculus, geometry, scalar math – to discrete-number mathematics.
http://vortexmath.webs.com/
 
 
 
                                  Edward LEEDSKALNIN
                                       Magnetic Current

                                                 http://www.rexresearch.com/leedskal/leedskal.htm
 
 
 
     
 
 
                                             THE  ELECTRON  PHASE  SHIFT
                                   http://glafreniere.com/sa_phaseshift.htm
                                                         
               (http://glafreniere.com/images/huygens00.gif)
 
                                                                 
 
 
 
 
                                               FLUX COMPRESSION GENERATOR
                             http://reactor1967.fortunecity.com/freenergy.html
High Energy Free Energy Generator - Fcg's being used for free energy. The USA military use this to power its high energy weapons. (Status classified by the USA)

 
 
(http://reactor1967.fortunecity.com/ps.jpg)
 
 
 
 
 
MAGNETIC PULSE COMPRESSION (MPC)
Magnetic pulse compression utilizes reactors in conjunction with capacitors to shape input pulses into narrow output pulses of much higher current . MPC, therefore, allows the designer to use less expensive input switches with lower current ratings. MPC can also extend the lifetime of the input switch. Advanced MPC devices - capable of generating power levels of multi-terawatts in tens of nanoseconds - have been realized utilizing Metglas® cores.
                                                          http://www.metglas.com/products/page5_1_3.htm
 
                                                                 

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Metglas®, Inc. requests that the applications and approval accompany any request for samples, quotations, or purchase orders.
 

         Everything is relative  And never take anything too serious or too lightly.... While to go forward you really are going backwards..... Nothing is impossible, it is only wheather or or not it is probable in my time....
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 18, 2011, 03:40:45 am
Here is update on fogger unit I'm working on. Next part is to add the particle charging effects.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 22, 2011, 08:00:26 am
Hi FI3,

Have you ever read this doc?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2932951/Burn-Water-For-Fuel-Hefferlin-Manuscript


regards
Steve
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 15, 2011, 11:13:36 am
 Here is the next best piece of info I just found I think everyone will like.
 
 Here are a few words from it.
 
 CHARGING MECHANISMS 43
 a back-emf is built up that cancels the original field of the contact
 potential across the plates, at which point the flow of ions ceases. A
 potential equal to the contact potential will now appear across the
 switch and a situation such as shown in Fig. 21b will be reached.
 The presence of ions between two electrodes of dissimilar materials
 and their ability to generate a steady current is nothing less than a
 galvanic cell. The primary source of energy is the ionization agency
 which might be radioactivity or cosmic rays as in the case of our
 ionized atmosphere. Ions are also produced in liquids where one or
 both electrode materials might slowly go into solution in the form of
 ions. The dissolved ions supply the energy that drives galvanic
 currents through circuits and usually at the cost of the lower work
 function material itself. A typical example is the flashlight battery or
 dry cell. Most charging processes involving ions are electrochemical 
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2011, 08:31:27 am
(http://peswiki.com/images/1/1b/Radiant_energy_antenna_system_01.JPG)
 Electron Extraction Circuit
 http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Radiant_...nna_System (http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Radiant_Energy_Antenna_System)

 
 
 This looks to be a good electron extraction circuit... Something tells me Stans Drawings aren't always right , but close enough to see how it works.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2011, 13:35:57 pm
Cool article! I have been researching over the summer with electroculture which uses devices exactly like these. They say Tesla ultimately was the true inventor of this type of device, but, I have documentation that shows the almost exact same circuits were used for hundreds of years before him.


(http://www.rexresearch.com/christofleau/elcult1.jpg)


(http://www.rexresearch.com/christofleau/elcult4.jpg)
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2011, 21:15:09 pm
I'm planning to pair this with antenna extract to try and strip the electrons

Lord Kelvin's Thunderstorm Gen
http://youtu.be/hQmAIo6JWMU (http://youtu.be/hQmAIo6JWMU)
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2011, 00:37:38 am
A thought:
in making the gas processor? with the ..led's and mesh for the electron extraction, might it be useful to look at existing airflow meters as something already available in a common inlet duct sizing, which also has a s/s mesh that could be used at the electron gathering part ofthe system? its possible by making a series of led holder that can be secured to the airflow meter body. On the air flow meter bodies that use the hotwire - that assembly can be removed in its entirety. That might be a simple place to start? What Im unsure about, by looking at the pictures of stans gas processor and also by looking at H20Powers manufactured GP is where does the exciter coil/plates go? just a thought.
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2011, 23:34:25 pm
Here's today's experiments on the extraction circuit. Will do more once I get sum super fine mesh SS screen.

Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2011, 23:59:05 pm
Here's today's experiments on the extraction circuit. Will do more once I get sum super fine mesh SS screen.


Hi Fi3,

I am fascinated by your video. Can you explain a bit more about yr setup?
As far as i understand it, you create steam, ad uv light and then you measure 15ac?
Are you also ionizing the fog first?

Wel done!

Steve
Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2011, 05:20:08 am
 Electrostatic Charge Generation in Liquid Systems
  Electrostatic charge is generated in a number of ways whenever there is friction between two bodies moving relative to one another. Charge generation occurs in liquid systems on the molecular level at the interface of any two unlike materials, so a static charge will be generated in any moving fluid, with positive or negative charges moving from the fluid onto the bounding surface. The causes of electrostatic charging include the following examples:
 
  •   Friction caused by fluid flowing in pipes
  •   High fluid velocities
  •   Fluids flowing in ungrounded pipes and hoses
  •   Passage of fluids through filter elements or other microporous structures
  •   Generated by turbulence in the liquids and by pumping elements, especially centrifugal pumps
  •   Fluid discharging on to the free surface of the reservoir
  •   When free air is present in the liquid, for example, in bearing and paper machine return lines
  •   Imparted into the liquid when component surfaces sliding is relative to one another
  •   Fluid acquires a charge when it flows through a pipe or microporous structure, and when this charge is carried downstream, it’s called a streaming current (Figure 1).
    (http://media.noria.com/sites/archive_images/Backup_200511_tech-electro-fig1.jpg)
     Figure 1. Streaming Current
    In pipeline flow, the streaming current will be discharged back to the pipe walls, reservoir or component surfaces, and the discharge rate is controlled by the characteristics of the fluid and its additives. This charge relaxation is described by the equations below:
     (http://media.noria.com/sites/archive_images/Backup_200511_tech-electro-fig1.gif)
     where:
     Qt = charge at time t
     Qo = initial charge
     t = charge relaxation time constant (representing 37 percent charge decay)
     E = dielectric constant of liquid (approximately 2 for oils)
     E0 = absolute dielectric constant of a vacuum (8.854 x 10 - 12 F/m)
     K = fluid rest conductivity (pS/m)
     If the component walls are conductive, then a charge will be induced on the walls, which is of opposite polarity to the fluid. If the exterior surface is grounded, the net charge will be zero. If not, the charge will accumulate to eventually discharge. This will generate an electrostatic discharge where the charge discharges to a surface at lower voltage. In doing so, it can generate a high-energy spark. If the discharge occurs in air, the results can be both spectacular and potentially harmful (Figure 2).
     Electrostatic discharge usually manifests itself as a clicking sound as charge repeatedly increases and discharges to surfaces of lower voltage (usually earth or ground) through sparking. The clicking frequency depends on the charging rate. Clearly, if the discharge occurs in a flammable atmosphere the effect can be serious, but these instances are rare. A discharge within the system is usually short-lived and extinguished by the hydraulic fluid. This can result in etching of the discharged surface, perhaps removing microscopic particles and leaving carbon deposits on the surface. There is also evidence that localized discharge can result from lubricated surfaces, especially in geared and bearing systems with a high air content. This can contribute to pitting of surfaces.

    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2011, 09:42:31 am
    A small comment from my part here.
    Many people say that the puharich circuit is AC.
    But is it?
    Look how one side of the output circuit is hooked up to GROUND.
    So, only half AC cycle possible there, is it.....= dc pulse

    Steve

    I missed this post awhile back Steve so I'll answer it real quick for all. The signal to transfo is AC Amplitude Modulated sine wave but is half on primary side. and the secondary side is half wave rectified with a blocking diode.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2011, 13:32:47 pm
    Here's today's experiments on the extraction circuit. Will do more once I get sum super fine mesh SS screen.

    http://youtu.be/AKfdX_XUz5g (http://youtu.be/AKfdX_XUz5g)

    Hi Fi3,

    I am fascinated by your video. Can you explain a bit more about yr setup?
    As far as i understand it, you create steam, ad uv light and then you measure 15ac?
    Are you also ionizing the fog first?

    Wel done!

    Steve

    Hello all

    The steam is a cold fog more then it is hot steam. The fog is generated by particle oscillation back and forth creating cavitation from particle collision of the water taking place. Which creates a negative pressure producing with extreme amount of focused heat energy in the jet area of fogger. And shearing electrons off the water molecule and making the water possess a negative charge. Next using the LEDS which are 3watts a piece 660nm and 435nm range with total of 4 LEDS 2 of each type.  This adds  heat energy which causes the molecule to flex and dislodged electrons are bounced off to keep from letting the electron fall back down to orbital ring. Natural air gases are charged using mesh in intake tubes to fog gen then charged again to intake of engine while on the way electrons are consumed in the form of physical energy neon light bulb. A capacitor is pair between a scr to switch it on and off as to allow electrons to align on electrode surface til charge cycle completes filling cap and dumping through the light bulb to remove fully from the water molecule to create  a unstable for of water to be used as fuel.   
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2011, 15:40:46 pm
    Here's today's experiments on the extraction circuit. Will do more once I get sum super fine mesh SS screen.

    http://youtu.be/AKfdX_XUz5g (http://youtu.be/AKfdX_XUz5g)

    Hi Fi3,

    I am fascinated by your video. Can you explain a bit more about yr setup?
    As far as i understand it, you create steam, ad uv light and then you measure 15ac?
    Are you also ionizing the fog first?

    Wel done!

    Steve

    Hello all
    The steam is a cold fog more then it is hot steam. The fog is generated by particle oscillation back and forth creating cavitation from particle collision of the water taking place. Which creates a negative pressure producing with extreme amount of focused heat energy in the jet area of fogger. And shearing electrons off the water molecule and making the water possess a negative charge. Next using the LEDS which are 3watts a piece 660nm and 435nm range with total of 4 LEDS 2 of each type.  This adds  heat energy which causes the molecule to flex and dislodged electrons are bounced off to keep from letting the electron fall back down to orbital ring. Natural air gases are charged using mesh in intake tubes to fog gen then charged again to intake of engine while on the way electrons are consumed in the form of physical energy neon light bulb. A capacitor is pair between a scr to switch it on and off as to allow electrons to align on electrode surface til charge cycle completes filling cap and dumping through the light bulb to remove fully from the water molecule to create  a unstable for of water to be used as fuel.   

    very interesting:

    "The signal to transfo is AC Amplitude Modulated sine wave but is half on primary side. and the secondary side is half wave rectified with a blocking diode.

    So - to save time and expense - i have wondered what is the difference to using a lawton type square wave circuit to drive the ....vic/choke/cell compared to the meyers (8xa 9xa) drawing showing a signal derived from a fixed distributed mains supply fed circuit that, according to the meyers circuit and patent drawings appear to show a.............................sine wave.(or to be a little bit more precise...a rectified half of a sine wave...?

    IS there any cell / vic/ choke response or performance or waveform or voltage or harmonic response that may vary if one relies upon a 120v 60hz? supply or a 230v 50hz main supply.......?

    yes or no?



    To develop a circuit that does not rely upon a distributed mains supply to drive an ac amplitude modulated wave that may be switched through a scr or fet or toroid or choke - is there a simple requirement to provide a stable frequency sine wave generator that is timed to switch on and off ?

    OR does there exist a REQUIREMENT to drive a VIC / coil / toroid / choke with a square looking wave to obtain the results required - sine or square or doesnt matter? triangle wave will do also .?
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2011, 18:34:53 pm
    I have put the construction of WFC itself on hold for now because I do not believe it is a necessary part any more. I believe it has been out dated by the ultrasonic transducer used in fountain foggers. I'm putting more faith in reading Stanley's descriptions and function of each part of his tech. Then fundings example of things like Lenz Law Columbs Law and many more text book examples to figure it out.


    Ultrasonic power supply (generator) converts DC voltage to high
    frequency 25 kHz (25,000 cylces per second) electrical energy. This electrical energy is
    transmitted to the transducer within the handpiece, where it is changed to mechanical
    vibrations. The vibrations from the transducer are intensified by the probe (horn),
    creating pressure waves in the liquid. This action forms millions of microscopic bubbles
    (cavities) which expand during the negative pressure excursion, and implode violently
    during the positive excursion. It is this phenomenon, referred to as cavitation, which
    produces the powerful shearing action at the probe tip, and causes the molecules in the
    liquid to become intensely agitated.

    FREQUENCY AND AMPLITUDE
    The radiating-wave frequencies most commonly used in ultrasonic cleaning, 18-120 kHz,
    lie just above the audible frequency range. In any sonic system,the harmonics of the
    fundamental frequency, together with vibrations originating at the container walls and
    liquid surface, produce audible sound. Thus, an operating system that is fundamentally
    ultrasonic will nonetheless by audible, and low frequency (20-kHz) systems will
    generally be noisier than higher-frequency (40-kHz) systems.
    Moreover, ultrasonic intensity is an integral function of the frequency and amplitude of a
    radiating wave; therefore, a 20-kHz radiating wave will be approximately twice the
    intensity of a 40-kHz wave for any given average power output, and consequently the
    cavitation intensity resulting from a 20-kHz wave will be proportionately greater than that
    resulting from a 40-kHz wave.
    The cavitation phenomenon will, of course, occur less frequently at 20 kHz, but this is
    not thought to have a significant bearing on effectiveness. However, the longer
    wavelengths of low-frequency ultrasonic systems result in substantially different
    standing-wave patters throughout the liquid medium.


    Directly copied from Stan Meyer WFC Brief

    Particle Oscillation As An Energy Generator
    All energy in our physical universe (The third dimension) comes from a singular source ... the atom.
    There are four basic forces that make up and effect the atomic structure: electrical force, electromagnetic force,
    weak and strong nuclear forces, and gravity. By either attenuating either one or more of these atomic forces,
    energy can be release from the atom to perform work in a variety of ways: such as, emitting photon,
    electromagnetic, or even radiant heat energy; Exposing the water molecule atom (s) to an external electrical
    attraction force (SS '/RR') separately or combining the external electrical attraction force with an external
    electrical repelling force (SS'-TT'/RR'-WW') can cause the bipolar electrical charged water molecule atom (s)
    to release thermal heat energy when physical impact (physical force) is achieved as a result of particle (s)
    colliding together under electrical stress which becomes and is the physical mover ... causing electron bounce
    to oscillate the energy aperture of each atom of the water molecule.
    Voltage Flexing Process
    Particle oscillation as a "Energy Generator" by way of "physical impact" caused by a
    singular unipolar voltage pulse wave-form alternately polarity triggered is yet another method
    beyond the prior art to flex the water molecule to release thermal energy (Kinetic Energy) from
    the water molecule atom (s) without the need of gas combustion brought about by gas separation
    from water, as so illustrated in (1050) of Figure (11-5).

    This continued and repeated oscillation of the bipolar water molecule (1004/1006) in
    opposite direction of linear travel (back and forth motion) produces kinetic energy (165) when the
    moving and deflected bipolar water molecule (1004/1006) or any other bipolar molecule of water
    interlocking with ever changing electrical attraction forces (S-S' /R-R') collides with neighboring
    water molecules present in the same water bath (68).

    Not only does the alternate first gated voltage pulse (B+/O - B-/O) and then the second
    gated voltage pulse (OIB+ - OIB-) oscillates the bipolar water molecule (s) back and forth in rapid
    succession to produce heated water at a predetermined temperature level on demand; but, also,
    deflects the oscillating bipolar water molecule in an upward direction since the reforming voltage
    pulse waves are always in a state of progressive movement of linear displacement ... performing
    the same function as a water pump ... a water pump, however, not having any mechanical moving
    parts to wear out.


    The ionized atoms along with free floating negative charged electrons are, now, deflected (pulsing electrical voltage fields of opposite polarity) through the Electrical Polarization Process ...imparting or superimposing a second physical-force (particle-impact) unto the electrically charged water bath. Oscillation (back and forth movement) of electrically charged particles by way of voltage deflection is hereinafter called "Resonant Action", as illustrated in Figure (1-10). Attenuating and adjusting the "pulse-voltage-amplitude" with respect to the "pulse voltage frequency", now, produces hydrogen gas on demand while restricting amp flow.
    Stanley A. Meyer

     A little bit about Ultrasonics now...
     Ultrasonic power supply (generator) converts DC voltage to high frequency 25 kHz (25,000 cylces per second) electrical energy. This electrical energy is transmitted to the transducer within the handpiece, where it is changed to mechanical vibrations. The vibrations from the transducer are intensified by the probe (horn), creating pressure waves in the liquid. This action forms millions of microscopic bubbles (cavities) which expand during the negative pressure excursion, and implode violently during the positive excursion. It is this phenomenon, referred to as cavitation, which produces the powerful shearing action at the probe tip, and causes the molecules in the liquid to become intensely agitated. Energy in water has been increased by physically slamming water molecule together shearing outer covalent electrons off water molecule increasing the energy potential of water because moving the electrons out of orbit via particle oscillation or particle impact.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkY8f07IonE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkY8f07IonE)


    Maybe this is Stan's True secret of the LC Series Circuit?Huh?

    Example
    If   we measure the ac voltages across L and C, we find vL = 43v and vC =   33v. Yet our source voltage is still just 10v. What's going on here? How   can we get 76v across two components in series across a 10v source?

    The   Vectors
    The vectors in a series LC circuit.

    The answer is   clear when we look at the voltage vectors in this circuit. They are   shown to the right.

    Since this is a series circuit, the current   is the same throughout the circuit. With no circuit resistance, there is   no resistive voltage, so we simply show the current vector in red, at   the reference phase angle of 0°.

    We know that voltage leads   current in an inductance, so we show vL at a phase angle of +90°. We   also know that voltage lags current in a capacitance, so we show vC at   -90°. And this gives us our first clue as to what is happening in this   circuit and how we can get both vL and vC to be higher than the source   voltage: they oppose each other, and at least partially cancel each   other out. It is the difference between these two voltages that must   match the source voltage, and sure enough, 43v - 33v = 10v.

    RE:   Hydrogen Fracturing Process Memo WFC 420
    _________________________________________________ ____________________________
    Stanley   A. Meyer 1 - 3
    LC Voltage
    The voltage across the inductor (C) or capacitor (ER) is   greater than the applied voltage (H). At
    frequency close to   resonance, the voltage across the individual components is higher than   the applied
    voltage (H), and, at resonant frequency, the   voltage VT across both the inductor and the c:apacitor are
    theoretically   infinite. However, physical constraints of components and circuit   interaction prevents the
    voltage from reaching infinity.
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    Yes, voltage step-up only helps if the water molecule disassociation happened by electrostatic force, which would be making use of reactive power. With normal electrolysis even a parallel resonant circuit wouldn't help (normally steps-up current) because in a plate capacitor with water in between the current-leakage through the water can be modeled as a ohmic resistor in parallel.
    Exactly



    ENERGIZING WATER MOLECULE COMPOSITION www.hydrodrive.co.in (http://www.hydrodrive.co.in)
     Hydrogen bonding of water molecules provides unique solvent with properties essential to many physical, chemical, and biological processes. Hydrogen bond, the faint force between hydrogen and the more electronegative oxygen, is known to have vibrational phases that may be excited by numerous forms of energy transfer.
    http://www.hydrodrive.co.in/ENERGISING%20WATER%20MOLECULAR%20COMPOSITIONS.htm (http://www.hydrodrive.co.in/ENERGISING%20WATER%20MOLECULAR%20COMPOSITIONS.htm)
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     Here is the next best piece of info I just found I think everyone will like.
     
     Here are a few words from it.
     
     CHARGING MECHANISMS 43
     a back-emf is built up that cancels the original field of the contact
     potential across the plates, at which point the flow of ions ceases. A
     potential equal to the contact potential will now appear across the
     switch and a situation such as shown in Fig. 21b will be reached.
     The presence of ions between two electrodes of dissimilar materials
     and their ability to generate a steady current is nothing less than a
     galvanic cell. The primary source of energy is the ionization agency
     which might be radioactivity or cosmic rays as in the case of our
     ionized atmosphere. Ions are also produced in liquids where one or
     both electrode materials might slowly go into solution in the form of
     ions. The dissolved ions supply the energy that drives galvanic
     currents through circuits and usually at the cost of the lower work
     function material itself. A typical example is the flashlight battery or
     dry cell. Most charging processes involving ions are electrochemical 



     Electron Extraction Circuit
     http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Radiant_...nna_System (http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Radiant_...nna_System)
     
     
     This looks to be a good electron extraction circuit... Something tells me Stans Drawings aren't always right , but close enough to see how it works.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on September 30, 2011, 21:24:27 pm
    http://amasci.com/emotor/ikelv.html (http://amasci.com/emotor/ikelv.html)
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 01, 2011, 09:41:40 am
    Thanks FI3!

    Lots of good and very intersting stuff.
    I agree and i like the idea of not using a wfc anymore and just go using tiny drops of water in any way shape or form and do a nice smart trick with it.
    And you are already far on the this development road..
    Well done!

    Steve

    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2011, 07:01:04 am
    metimes lets the voltage rise higher before a spark jumps, which lets the bulb flash more brightly. Electron Extraction Circuit
     
     SELF-STARTING

     But where does the first charge come from?  In fact, if you build such a device, it will usually create voltage all by itself, spontaneously, without being pre-charged.  During dry conditions everything near the generator ends up with a tiny electric charge just from being handled.  If one of the upper cans is slightly negative, it will cause the water to have imbalanced positive, which will start up the other side of the generator, which will make the charge on the negative side become larger, etc., over and over.

     It's like balancing a penny on edge: it's hard to start out with a perfect balance, and usually it falls one way or the other.  Same with this generator.  If there's a tiny electrical imbalance at the start, the generator will amplify it over and over, and the voltage will "fall over" to either one polarity or the other.  A high voltage will magically appear from nowhere.  (But nobody knows which side will start out positive and which will be negative.)

    SPEEDING UP THE RECHARGE

     Whenever a spark discharges the generator, it also discharges the inducer rings.  As a result, the generator takes quite a while to "ramp up" to full voltage again.  This is exponential growth, and it's quite slow at first.  There are several possible ways to solve this problem (I haven't tried them, you be first!)  One solution is to insert very large resistors in series with the wires to the inducer rings (large = thousands of megohms).  Then always discharge only the collectors, not the inducers. The resistors will keep the inducers from instantly discharging.  If the inducers remain charged, then the generator will quickly recharge with a fast linear voltage curve rather than a slow exponential curve. High-value resistors are expensive, so perhaps try making your own resistors.  Use strips of paper with fine lines of india ink (india ink is conductive carbon.)

     Another possibility: rather than using resistors, instead insert high voltage diodes.  For example, use several 7,000-volt microwave oven diodes in series, available from Allied Electronics.  Orient the polarity of diodes to allow the Inducers to charge but not to discharge.  Diodes in one conductor should point upwards, and in the other conductor should point downwards.  This way the collectors will charge up the inducer rings, but when you discharge the collectors, the diodes will turn off and become nonconductors.  The excess charge on the inducer rings will remain high.  Also, if you use diodes, the generator polarity would always be predictable, since the generator would not function if the polarity became reversed.

     A third method: build a big generator, but don't connect the collectors to the inducers.  Then build a second tiny water-drop generator, and use it to charge up the inducers of the big generator.  Then always discharge only the collectors of the big generator, and leave the other metal parts alone.
     

     
     FLASHING A NEON BULB

     Once your machine is able to produce sparks, you can also make it flash a small neon lightbulb.  Normal flashlight bulbs won't work, you need a small neon "pilot light" bulb instead.  Obtain an "NE-2" or other similar neon light, the kind which looks like a short glass tube with two parallel wires inside and two bare wires sticking out of the glass. Hold the bulb by one wire, look at the tube, then use the other wire to touch one of the cans of your Kelvin device.  You should see a dim orange flash inside the bulb.  (It might help to turn off the lights and work in a dimly lit room.)  Hold one bulb wire, then use the other wire to touch the positive can, then the negative can, then the positive, and you should see a tiny orange flash each time.

     CONTINUOUSLY FLASHING BULB

     Don't connect the NE-2 bulb directly across the two generator wires.  It will short out the generator and prevent high voltage buildup.  You can make the generator automatically flash the neon bulb by making a "spark gap".  First twist one wire from the neon bulb around one of the generator's diagonal wires, then bend the wires so other short wire from the neon bulb is very close to the other generator wire ( but not touching).  Small sparks will occasionally jump across the small gap and flash the neon.  The smaller the gap, the faster (and dimmer) the flashing.  Try a 1/16 inch gap (1 mm) at first.  If it works, increase the distance to get slow, bright flashes.

    (http://amasci.com/graphics/kelvxsec.gif)(http://amasci.com/graphics/kelvdraw.gif)
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2011, 07:13:52 am
    Wind generator based upon the Kelvin Generator.  Build two big parallel vertical metal screens the size of outdoor movie theater screens (or larger).  The upwind screen has coarse mesh, the downwind screen has fine mesh to gather water droplets.  Suspend them on insulators which are good for millions of volts.  Charge the upwind screen with a power supply. Spray a fine mist of water into the screens upwind, and let the wind push the spray through the screens.  The upwind screen will attract imbalanced charges into the sprayer tips, and the water droplets will have an imbalanced charge of opposite polarity.  The wind takes the place of gravity in the classic Lord Kelvin device.  Wind pushes charged water to the second, fine-mesh screen.  Water droplets touch this screen and deliver their charge. The wind is slowed by repulsion of the water mist, the upwind screen uses no current, and the downwind screen puts out amperes at millions of volts of electrical potential (amps times megavolts equals megawatts).  Simply step down the megavolts of DC, then convert it to AC.  Ta-da, a wind generator with no moving parts!  An artificial thunderstorm, harnessed as a commercial generator, powered by the wind.

     
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2011, 21:39:24 pm
    Can anyone help me please? I tried putting sumthing together to duplicate the EEC effect but I believe it exceeds my capability. I'm excellent with science but not so good with construction and machining item needed to work properly. I'm going to goive it another try on my own and probably won't stop trying. But in the end I'll need somebodies help to make this something that can be used everyday. Any and all assistance is appreciated.
    Thank you FI3
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2011, 22:13:38 pm
    Can anyone help me please? I tried putting sumthing together to duplicate the EEC effect but I believe it exceeds my capability. I'm excellent with science but not so good with construction and machining item needed to work properly. I'm going to goive it another try on my own and probably won't stop trying. But in the end I'll need somebodies help to make this something that can be used everyday. Any and all assistance is appreciated.
    Thank you FI3

    Hi FI3,

    We have the best electronic circuit here for you.
    Its design was done by Electrojolt and you can find the whole description here: http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1054.0.html

    Regards
    Steve
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 02, 2011, 22:28:45 pm
    Hi Steve,

    It's not the circuit I'm needing although electros circuit looks pretty sweet. I'm in need of help really with something comparable to the resonant gas processor unit.

    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2011, 00:39:03 am
    Fastimports,


    Try putting your doubts here more clearly (exactly), lets see if someone can help you...


    sebs
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2011, 00:57:10 am
    brb gonna take a video but no laughing at my try i know I'm not very good at this designing from scratch and no money. The 1st plasma ignition I know of on youtube came from a trash can. I'm on disability supposedly for being crazy they tell me. I just think they're clueless and blind. I'll show and try to explain over the engine noise my voice is very low tone.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2011, 01:27:43 am
    ok here ya go the worse yet.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txqw1BFbHPY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txqw1BFbHPY)

    when working properly it should have a HV source to start the process and a neon bulb with cap and scr or a spark gap to burn of electrons.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2011, 02:11:51 am
    My best guess is that you are having problems with the insulation... try using acrylic, thick...


    Measuring with the multimeter can lead to problems... normally multimeters impedance is max 4Mohms


    You should read DC on the Kelvin water dropper.


    A scientific methodology would help you. Take measurements, plot graphics with the results to understand better what you are doing. This way you will be able to make improwemets and also explain better what you exactly need. Its really important.


    if you could measure the air speed would be good parameter... but you can relate the rpm to the specific cross-sectional area of the tubing and the tension measured..  to find a relation useable... needed for design parameter.





    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2011, 06:04:19 am
    I wish I had a means of using wonderful technologically advanced scientific tools to chart exact data and prove exactly what it is I'm doing or disprove me. Or to take accurate measurements to aid in design of the next part. There's no such thing as a bad experiment or failed. If it goes wrong I failed but still learned, so not all was lost.
    But I don't, I work out of a trash can for the most part $674 a month doesn't get you much. It would be nice to figure this out and not get rich instead teach all in hopes of making a living. There will be more then enough money for all to share unless your JP Morgan reincarnated. I just want to feel like I contributed something and that not all Americans are fat and lazy as I've seen written about us in plenty of places online. I'll give all I have away in hopes that I'm not left behind to live in poverty while others thrive on what I shared with them. I don't know how Stan did this on his own. It is extremely complex and expensive materials were used so I know it wasn't cheap. I've been to his house in Groveport he was not a rich man by far. But he was extremely paranoid. He converted downstairs into garage and had 6 500watt halogens on all 4 sides of that house with a orange flashing light on chimney. Back on topic here. I just got kicked out of hardware store again because they were closing. I love how they always ask are you looking for something I suppose I do appear crazy here. Because I never know what exactly I'm needing. But here are sum pics of what I got.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2011, 15:57:01 pm
    And this is what I came up with copied stans for the most part I have HV DC to hook up to the inside and I'm going to try a spark gap to ground 1st on the extraction grid. Also I need to pulse leds to be 100% as close as I can build to Stans device.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2011, 21:17:22 pm
    Well here is what I came up with bolted in place on the van. Only got to run it for a second with fogger HV DC and lights before I heard something arch then inverter loaded up and blew. Will fix inverter tonight. It's nice outside right now.


    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 05, 2011, 06:28:35 am
    Cold Fog is being drawn through a HV DC field and photoelectric energizing device with a screen placed right under the clear section of tubing the light is being emitted from and is connected via LED to a screen the is placed at the intake of the cold fog gen device. You can see LED light at the 3:00 min mark. It is extracting it's energy from a grid above the HV and lighted area.

    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 05, 2011, 13:28:36 pm
    Hi FI3,




    After looking at the video, i was wondering the following.
    Do you run that big engine on petrol and you are adding the fog?


    Steve
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 05, 2011, 13:54:19 pm

    After looking at the video, i was wondering the following.
    Do you run that big engine on petrol and you are adding the fog?


    Hi Steve

      That is correct, gm 305 tbi running on gasoline with the fogger piped into the air filter cover above the TBI unit. Last night was the 1st time I saw any real DC coming from the extraction circuit. Not very much at all really, but it's a start. Hope to repair inverter today and test some on road action.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 05, 2011, 16:49:52 pm
    News announcements and other topics > NewsULTRASONIC PIEZONUCLEAR REACTIONS<< (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8503.0;imode) < (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8503.20;imode) (6/7) > (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8503.30;imode) >> (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8503.30;imode) mscoffman:
     Quote from: sparks on January 01, 2010, 01:43:56 AM>>>>    More bubble fusion.  This is how dumb we are.  We have hydrogen produced by the kiloton everyday and distributed at the northpole.  But we are so selfconsumed with the quest for fusion we produce hydrogen expenditure of energy  then we try to fuse it into helium.  More expenditure of energy.  You cant drink helium.  Why wouldnt you just take the hydrogen you are trying to fuse and have it combine with oxygen in a fuel cell.  Hit some water with infrared it gets less dense.  It rises, overcoming gravity.  Hit is with xrays and gammarays what does it do.  Cant electrons and ionized cores be influenced to be classified in the presence of a magnetic field.
    <<<<
    You need to look at the energy balance...You fuse Hydrogen to Helium to get
    at the Nuclear Binding energy...not because it's the only thing you can do with it.
    The Sun does this quite nicely...so everything is cool. The Sun uses only one
    ton per day of hydrogen.

    :S:MarkSCoffman sparks:
            I just believe that Earth is a great infrared photon capture field.  Every day water molecules capture untold numbers of infrared waves into its molecular vibrations.  If we can design an infrared wave capture system and feed the system with ocean thermal energy we dont need to mess around with mass to energy conversion.  Simply capture the energy condense it pass it through conduits and release it at a latter time.  How dumb can we be.  There are thousands of endothermic reactions that could take place in  oceansubmerged heat exchangers.  The reactions are totally reversible and become exothermic when and where we want them to be.  The presence of catalyzing agents the trick.
    Electricity is a catalyzing agent in the exothermic combination of carbon and oxygen.  Magnesium is a catalyzing agent in the ultraviolet cracking of carbon dioxide an endothermic reaction.  We need to study nature and forget about trying to outwit her.  She has a very good head start on us. tinu:
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on October 08, 2011, 10:44:32 am

    After looking at the video, i was wondering the following.
    Do you run that big engine on petrol and you are adding the fog?


    Hi Steve

      That is correct, gm 305 tbi running on gasoline with the fogger piped into the air filter cover above the TBI unit. Last night was the 1st time I saw any real DC coming from the extraction circuit. Not very much at all really, but it's a start. Hope to repair inverter today and test some on road action.

    It will be a challange to find out if you would get more power out then in....
    To be honest, i am not sure if thats the goal....
    Ionize steam. Use hv and uv.
    Tutanka wrote today that if you add a little bit of hho that you might get a better result....


    Steve



    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on November 02, 2011, 02:57:12 am
    Have you thought about trying infrared? I think more of the light would be absorbed 
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2011, 16:18:30 pm
    Thank you Dave for the suggestion and yes I thought about infrared but could find any high power modules. I recently found 5watt infrared LEDS at 850nm and 940nm spectrum. I'm waiting for them from China. I'll keep everyone posted.
    Here is the ebay link to a supplier.
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180774998032
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2011, 16:50:45 pm
    Pic show water fog mist is equal to wavelength of fog droplet. www.scaleofuniverse.com

     Particle collision is helping free electrons to outer ring so that they may be consumed in the electron extraction circuit. In this pic you will notice the water mist droplet to be the same size as the wavelength as the infrared spectrum. So I imagine a very high pulse rep along with high intensity bombardment of the water fog with have some excellent outcomes with assisting in the destabilization of the water molecule.

    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2012, 20:15:03 pm
     The misting Principle of Water
     
    Install the Piezoelectric ceramics disc (also called misting disc) in the bottom of a container with water and add the driving voltage generated by one driving control circuit with the same resonant frequency. Then the Piezoelectric ceramics disc will generate oscillation energy. The oscillation energy will spread toward the direction that perpendicular to the surface of oscillation. With appropriate water depth, the water surface of the energy spreading shaft will hunch a column. The front of the column intensively generates a lot of tiny tension wave, greatly reducing the surface tension of the hunched water. The water surface is divided into many tiny areas by the wavelength of the tension wave and every area become many independent micro-particles seeming separate spreading in the air and forming mist. This is the water misting principle utilizing Piezoelectric ceramics disc.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2012, 07:23:07 am
    Updated design of fogger unit.
    HV neg ion gen
    IR and red spectrum light in tube.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2012, 11:17:10 am
    Nice to see you keep on working on this thems FI!
    Did you see any positive or negative results yet?

    Steve
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2012, 19:25:40 pm
    Very positive using potassium bicarbonate. But the fogger burnt up. I later found these notes on fogger.
    The transducers should be used in drinking water or liquids similar to water. When such liquids have an acidity of less than pH5 or an alkalinity of greater than pH8,the transducers may deteriorate or be permanently damaged. Therefore, the transducers cannot be used with a liquid that is excessively alkaline (pH-8) or acidic (pH-5).

    This is the next step is to make sure I have this part covered..
    quantum of electromagnetic energy carried in a small amount and moving with the
    speed of light, as so illustrated in Figure (5-11). Optical Photon having energies corresponding to
    wavelengths between 120 and 1800 nanometres ... thus, propagating sun's light or its direct rays (539a
    xxx 539n) of Figure (5-6).

    And I need another fogger which I don't have cash for at the moment.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on December 02, 2012, 10:06:54 am
    Very positive using potassium bicarbonate. But the fogger burnt up. I later found these notes on fogger.
    The transducers should be used in drinking water or liquids similar to water. When such liquids have an acidity of less than pH5 or an alkalinity of greater than pH8,the transducers may deteriorate or be permanently damaged. Therefore, the transducers cannot be used with a liquid that is excessively alkaline (pH-8) or acidic (pH-5).

    This is the next step is to make sure I have this part covered..
    quantum of electromagnetic energy carried in a small amount and moving with the
    speed of light, as so illustrated in Figure (5-11). Optical Photon having energies corresponding to
    wavelengths between 120 and 1800 nanometres ... thus, propagating sun's light or its direct rays (539a
    xxx 539n) of Figure (5-6).

    And I need another fogger which I don't have cash for at the moment.


    Please tell us a bit more. What was that positive sign you seen?
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on December 04, 2012, 03:10:21 am
    Very positive using potassium bicarbonate. But the fogger burnt up. I later found these notes on fogger.
    The transducers should be used in drinking water or liquids similar to water. When such liquids have an acidity of less than pH5 or an alkalinity of greater than pH8,the transducers may deteriorate or be permanently damaged. Therefore, the transducers cannot be used with a liquid that is excessively alkaline (pH-8) or acidic (pH-5).

    This is the next step is to make sure I have this part covered..
    quantum of electromagnetic energy carried in a small amount and moving with the
    speed of light, as so illustrated in Figure (5-11). Optical Photon having energies corresponding to
    wavelengths between 120 and 1800 nanometres ... thus, propagating sun's light or its direct rays (539a
    xxx 539n) of Figure (5-6).

    And I need another fogger which I don't have cash for at the moment.


    Please tell us a bit more. What was that positive sign you seen?


    A whole lot more torque was produced. I got into throttle turning right on dry pavement slid 90degrees of center and tires continued to spin until I was straighten out I could've kept tires spinning awhile longer but the transmission made a slight churn noise from the tranny when I let off the gas. The engine was running extremely smooth. through out power range.. Hope to get a new foggert so I may resume testing soon...
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2013, 05:07:25 am
    Ok guys here's the info we've been missing and if I could figure out this iPad a little better I have a whole bunch more.  Read under number 9 about resistive coating.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2013, 05:15:17 am
    These pdfs will help tie the info to ultrasonics if you read them.
    Chapters 1,2,&3 are from Morgan Electroceramics.

    THE GOOD STUFF IS IN THESE PDFs GUYS THEY ARE TUTURIALS ON PIEZOELECTRIC CERAMICS....
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2013, 08:08:22 am
    Ok guys here's the info we've been missing and if I could figure out this iPad a little better I have a whole bunch more.  Read under number 9 about resistive coating.

    Is this similar as the white calcium layer that Ravi and others created during conditioning of the tubes?

    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2013, 08:29:16 am
    Hi Steve
      I don't believe it is a white calcium layer only because if you notice Stanley states in lieu of the outer SS tube this material could be used. So with that and the circuit Stanley depicts being so closely related to the ultrasonic generators circuits I have to say it's a piezoelectric material of some sort.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2013, 08:45:07 am
    My power supply.... Blackstone/Ney Multisonic 400watts RF
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2013, 17:36:27 pm
    My power supply.... Blackstone/Ney Multisonic 400watts RF

    Nice equipment, FI3.

    Just had a look at the Gordian Knot pdf.
    Thats full of interesting info!
    Thanks for sharing.

    As you know, not many people are into researching the piezo options of Stan.
    The pdf's who are showing for example the resistors at the tubes are not well discussed on the internet, i think.
    Thats why i think you might be on something here. Just like the Ravi coating..

    Steve
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2013, 19:55:43 pm
    Thank you Steve

    The Multisonic unit without some type of coating on outside rod is no good for anything but heating the water very quickly. (Faster then my microwave) But using what I could get my hands on at the moment which was high temp engine paint which had some type of silicone product in it. In which I had to bake in the oven.  I got production of gas and the water stopped heating. Needless to say that coating was very short lived but it has me headed down the right road I'm sure. In Stan's PDF under number 9 you will notice he talks about replacing outside rod with this resistive material. I'm about to launch a Kickstarter myself I've been putting together over the last month or so. I was gonna go small in the pledge amount but once I realized the impact and actual cost brought to my attention by some older folks. I figured better to have too much then not enough in this matter. I'm granting everyone a preview to this from the site. I'm not great with this house keeping stuff online and film school is definitely not my strong spot. So take it easy guys this is some of the stuff the large some of funds will be used for. I invite anyone who wants to join in and make this happen to get ahold of me. I'm open sourcing the process but reserving all rights to proprietary parts for myself and the actual engineer who help bring that particular part to light. I'm sure there will be plenty of places to fill and lots of work for all who want it. Your support will be appreciated. Thank you for following my post. FI3
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2013, 19:59:25 pm
    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/172591194/2087101639?token=ab8852f5


    This btw is how I found Kickstarter I don't know who made it but I figured this is what I've been waiting for so I'm going for it.
    Title: SUPER SECRET REVEALED
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2013, 20:43:08 pm
    since you have the equipment try this : mix two electromagnetic wave frequencies one multiplied or divided by the golden ratio number..

    here is someone who figured out what I say : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/13483-log-periodic-golden-ratio-coaxial-waveguide.html

    I dont know if it works or not .. you try and tell us.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2013, 22:29:17 pm
    Thank you, Geon
    I picked that unit up off eBay they were such a good deal $43 I took 2. If you look you might be able to get one yourself or just wait till I can give you a better solution provided things go as planned.

      I will try this as soon as I can get some materials. I imagine this is for the the injector and looks to be correct in theory. I'm not sure the material is the correct selection. But the principle is sound. I'm hoping if all goes well to build many different devices starting with this one project. I assume this is Aron's device or is it Gron's?
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 28, 2013, 22:30:49 pm
    Or is it Geons?  ;)?
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 29, 2013, 03:25:59 am
    Way to go FI3... I hope you do well enough to keep on going...  8)
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 29, 2013, 22:07:16 pm
    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/172591194/2087101639?token=ab8852f5


    This btw is how I found Kickstarter I don't know who made it but I figured this is what I've been waiting for so I'm going for it.

    Impressive video FI3!

    Way to go!
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on May 31, 2013, 12:03:11 pm
    something to remember if you try this you need to go up to 4-5 digit accuracy or else it won't work
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 02, 2013, 07:50:46 am
    Quote
    Way to go FI3... I hope you do well enough to keep on going...  8)
    Quote

    Impressive video FI3!

    Way to go!

    Thank you guys...

    I have located more accurate answers and even equations to help obtain the correct values on the parts your going to need will post as in a moment hopefully. I'm trying to narrow down info to provide exact answers. I think it's hard for others to see the exact answers by seeing the relative info within a large amount of info. In which I located the answers in if it's not shown to them  by me. I have to remember I have a gift in which allows me to see this  way... So I need to work on showing the exact alignment of info in which the 2 separate pieces fit together...
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2013, 18:51:12 pm
    Ok guys I think I might need your help.. But I have a huge key piece of info to share I found. This info contains all equations and explanations of the functions of different ceramic materials. I'm quite sure from the results I have of my cell which is not designed to spec yet. (Well, it is if you only look at one referencing sorce for the answer.)
    But if you combine all the the info I'm lacking a resisitive material that will remove the heat and slow the conductivity of the components. The diode mainly at this time but also the water. I will shot a vid or 2 so as to get the effects occuring with the ultrasonic power supply.

    Pure water gets hot like a microwave but if you add electrolyte the heating of the water is minimal. I believe it is because the electrons become locked up and no longer vibrate at set frequency but I might be wrong. I have seen this before when I tried to pre-heat water with electrolyte in the microwave I found it to be rather strange then and still do think it's a little funny of it. But it is how it is. If built right this will work. Finding a design engineer with company that is willing to help I think is going to be a problem.  I'm currently working on trying to obtain assistance from Ceradyne, Inc. Which is a American based company. But if this is not sucessful I will try Morgan Advanced Materials out of London.

    http://www.ceradyne.com/
    http://www.morganadvancedmaterials.com/products/engineered-ceramics/

    I'm shooting a vid of cell output for everyone to see and no it won't be measured. I'm not building a group cell design til I have the cell done. I'll show you temps of components though and ignition of course. My favorite part is combustion. Which if you haven't noticed changes per your electrolyte. The cell in this vid will have potassium bicarbonate KHCO3 and iodine I. 

    Below is also a pdf with need equations for the cell along with a scren shot highlighting the tubular design to be lined up with Puharichs patent info.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2013, 02:02:12 am
    Ok guys here's the info we've been missing and if I could figure out this iPad a little better I have a whole bunch more.  Read under number 9 about resistive coating.

    Is this similar as the white calcium layer that Ravi and others created during conditioning of the tubes?

    Essentially turning the tubes into electrolytic capacitors.

    TS
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2013, 05:49:19 am
    Ok guys here's the info we've been missing and if I could figure out this iPad a little better I have a whole bunch more.  Read under number 9 about resistive coating.

    Is this similar as the white calcium layer that Ravi and others created during conditioning of the tubes?

    Essentially turning the tubes into electrolytic capacitors.

    TS


    Is this the stuff they might have been coated with possibly?

    http://www.ceram-kote.com/products/index.htm

    1.0 Scope This is the general specification covering materials and procedures for the thin-film, CeRam-Kote® Ceramic Epoxy coatings. More detailed, job-specific specifications may be obtained from CeRam-Kote, Inc.

    3.1 Steel, Stainless Steel, Titanium, Aluminum Grit blast, with sand, steel, garnet, plastic or other media, etc., all metal material ideally to a NACE-1 (SSPC-SP5, Swedish-Sa 3) White Metal but no less than NACE-2 (SSPC-SP10, Swedish-Sa 2 ½) Near White Metal finish. At all times, an anchor profile should be 2 to 2 ½ mils (50 - 62.5 microns).
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2013, 05:55:14 am
    Powered by Ultrasonic Generator the cell in this vid will have potassium bicarbonate KHCO3 and iodine I. 
    http://youtu.be/zqcwweHmOL8
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2013, 13:39:51 pm
    what if you form a capacitor using water and a higher constant dielectric at the center for more dense electric field lines and connect this water capacitor to a "cold energy" circuit that means no sparks inside water area instead build a tube with nitrogen gas seperate and connect the capacitor in this circuit with the tube ... I still havent built rectifying diodes for thz radiation but water can absorb energy in the very high frequency..if it can store excess energy coming from spark discharge then you can get this energy out one way or another.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 12, 2013, 06:47:21 am
    PDF below is about ionization of water into it's plasma state Brown's gas.
    I'm posting a few pieces that best explain what it's is I'm looking to achieve and why it's going to produce more back out of it.

    2.4. Ionization Potentials of Ions
    The events described by higher-order ionization potentials are very vigorous, even violent: stripping
    IO electrons off an atom all at once. This takes explosions, particle beams, etc. There is a much
    gentler way to end up with the same end result: strip the electrons off one at a time. (Or add them one
    at a time.) The distinction is usually not made clear, but it is well captured in [2] with the attribution
    ‘Pauling’ for the ‘all-at-once’ event, and the word ‘spectroscopic’ for the ‘one-at-a-time’ process.

    Here is a video showing ionization of the water giving instant thermal release of energy.
    http://youtu.be/jjKRgeUX5y4


    5. Isomers of Water
    If water has anything like a plasma state, the molecule approaching that state is certainly not the
    ordinary tetrahedral water molecule. So we need to search out one or more isomers of water.
    5.1. A Linear Isomer of Water
    A linear isomer of water is thought to be the important constituent of the plasma-like phenomenon
    known as ‘Brown’s gas’. See, for example, [3,4]. Brown’s gas is of technological interest because it
    can perform welding and other technologically important tasks. One particularly interesting property of
    Brown’s gas is that it causes no harm when impinging on human flesh. Evidently, that is because the
    human flesh does not have metal content; flesh is essentially water, like the Brown’s gas itself is.
    The ionic configuration 2H++ O− − previously displaced by 2H−+ O ++ as the candidate for ordinary
    tetrahedral water is actually quite interesting in this new context: it could be the ionic configuration for
    the linear isomer of water in Brown’s gas. Because all of the electrons in 2H++ O− − are in the
    possession of the Oxygen nucleus, the two naked Hydrogen nuclei can settle along the poles of the
    Oxygen system. So unlike the 2H−+ O ++ isomer, the 2H++ O− − isomer is not polarized.
    Section 3 determined that the formation of water in the ionic configuration 2H++ O− − takes
    14.1369 – 13.2419 = + 0.8950 eV, or equivalently 2 × 14.1369 – 27.3788 = + 0.8950 eV. This is a
    slightly positive energy. By contrast, the formation of water in the ionic configuration 2H−+ O ++ takes
    2 × (−90.6769) + 17.5613 = −163.7925 eV. This is a very negative energy.
    Section 4 posited an association between the energy of ionic configuration and physical state of
    matter. Observe that Brown’s gas fits the posited association: under conditions where ordinary
    tetrahedral water is liquid, the linear isomer is a gas. Observe too that, in an application like welding,
    Brown’s gas can be described as ‘burning’. But it doesn’t burn in the usual sense: by oxidation. It need
    not consume any oxygen; it can just revert to its normal water isomer. The release of energy makes a
    release of light, and at that moment the Brown’s gas may reasonably be regarded as being in the
    plasma state. (http://youtu.be/jjKRgeUX5y4)
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 12, 2013, 08:41:36 am
    what pdf?
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 13, 2013, 08:23:07 am
    Sorry guys the pdf is there now...
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 14, 2013, 07:15:47 am


    Ultrasonic Generator 80Khz power HHO CELL 11watts       
    There is a very small touch of citric acid in the water. Without it the water is heated faster then my microwave boils water. Strange thing here is it requires a small amount of conductivity so the water molecule doesn't just sit there vibrating causing RF heating to take place.  The temp on cell after hours was I first turn the cell on has not gone over 110F.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2013, 23:56:28 pm
    It has become more then clear to me what it is we're after is a ultrasonic Brown's Gas Generator. It might be easier to learn of electroceramics and redesign Stanleys system. The ceramic material used will probably be what he coated the tubes with.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2013, 01:14:08 am
    It has become more then clear to me what it is we're after is a ultrasonic Brown's Gas Generator. It might be easier to learn of electroceramics and redesign Stanleys system. The ceramic material used will probably be what he coated the tubes with.
    Even if Stan didn't do it' s great that over all these years you have stuck with the ultrasonics , I remember you starting out with it way back when.Ive been working 80-90 hrs a week for a while ... finally gonna work a lil more on my TSG circuit tonight  :)
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2013, 10:37:19 am
    I've heard that meyer did use ultrasonics ..
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2013, 13:48:54 pm
     
    I think the relationship between Stan's work and Ultrasonics is one that is hard to see. I've had a certain gut feeling you might call it that I might one day share with everyone. But for now will stick to the facts of information I can pair up to prove that Stan's System was indeed ultrasonic device. I might start another thread with only the info that pairs Stan's system with ultrasonics or I can just repost it in this thread. If I remember correctly the beginning of this thread starts off with this info. I'm not here to argue I just have an ability to line up info kinda like putting together a jigsaw puzzle. If you would like I can share as much as possible to show the alignment of the 2 process so you may also see the relation I'm making with ultrasonics and Stan's process. Mean time check out these electroceramics and their compositions and let me know what you think of them. Specs say they have high ionic conductivity and ionization energy.

    Scandia Stabilized Zirconium Oxide Sc-ZrO2
    http://www.americanelements.com/scz.html

    Zirconium Oxide Particles High Purity ZrO2 Particles
    http://www.americanelements.com/zirconium-oxide-particles.html

    PZT (Lead Zirconate Titanate) Pb [ZrxTi1-x] O3 (0≤x≤1)
    http://www.americanelements.com/pbzrtio.html
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2013, 14:31:13 pm
    I'm trying to change the ionic bond from  2H−+ O ++ to the isomer  2H++ O− −
     I'm open to any other compounds you might suggest as well.

    Scandia Stabilized Zirconium Oxide Sc-ZrO2
    http://www.americanelements.com/scz.html (http://www.americanelements.com/scz.html)

    Zirconium Oxide Particles High Purity ZrO2 Particles
    http://www.americanelements.com/zirconium-oxide-particles.html (http://www.americanelements.com/zirconium-oxide-particles.html)

    PZT (Lead Zirconate Titanate) Pb [ZrxTi1-x] O3 (0≤x≤1)
    http://www.americanelements.com/pbzrtio.html (http://www.americanelements.com/pbzrtio.html)
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2013, 14:40:09 pm
    ok I'll admit I was just trying to hit the hundred mark quicker. I'm honestly trying to keep the amount of times posted small this tells me how realative the info is by how many people have viewed it. I'd rather have a lower number of good post then a bunch like this one but hey it's my 100th and only one of it's nature if I remember correctly.. So 180 views to every post isn't a bad score at all excuse me all for the last 2 screw ball post. Well the last was actually to remind everyone about the ionic configuration I'm looking to achieve. But we can call this the 100th celebratory party post....
     :D WooHoo... I'm a full member now... :)
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2013, 16:11:55 pm
    Just a question for everyone. This is a little off my current topic but relative none the less.
    Check out this link here and tell me if you think it resemblances to Stan's work by any chance.
    I've met this person once before and it has kinda sat on my brain and bothered me for some time now.
    Just asking the thoughts of the collective whole again. At the same time when asking questions of him it always seemed to be the answer in which was 180degrees of the right answer.


    http://www.rexresearch.com/rosocha/rosocha.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/rosocha/rosocha.htm)
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 20, 2013, 16:41:07 pm
    what's my posting status? too busy with exams this time of the year will try to make iron man suit for christmas later
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 20, 2013, 21:03:31 pm
    Series Style WFC from SS cups powered by Ultrasonic Generator
    feature=share&list=UUVJTn7nK_cxU3Shh2o0DExA
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2013, 03:54:28 am
    Thank you for the zirconia links... just got in.. 14hr days of drilling rock is tiresum :) the last time I searched about zirconia was a thawt of using a sleave of it to depolarize a tube in my old GEET generator so im sure i'll like reading those links :)
    Do you remember the circular coil apparartus electrolyzer patent and the old thread at oupower.com about non electrolysis hydrogen generation?
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2013, 08:35:09 am
    Thank you for the zirconia links... just got in.. 14hr days of drilling rock is tiresum :) the last time I searched about zirconia was a thawt of using a sleave of it to depolarize a tube in my old GEET generator so im sure i'll like reading those links :)
    Do you remember the circular coil apparartus electrolyzer patent and the old thread at oupower.com about non electrolysis hydrogen generation?
    No I was unaware of this post. I'm going to go looking for it now. If you have a link it would be great if you can post it here. I don't believe the process I'm looking to achieve will need electrolyte either. But until I can get it tuned correctly electrolytes of various types are fun to add in very tiny amounts. The reactions are always interesting to observe from combustion to the heating of the fluids involved. I'm curerently back using citric acid again because it hindered the RF heating of power supply and reduced overall temps in cell to 110F max. The ultrasonic HF generator does give your cells strange characteristics across the board. I'm not sure if I showed it in any of the other vids posted but the voltage across the cells when having only one is alot less then when applying lets say 50 cells in series. Will make a vid to show this asap.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2013, 12:15:18 pm
    do you use salt?
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2013, 16:08:05 pm
    do you use salt?
    No, I don't use salt. I use citric acid at the current time if I use any at all. And I use to use Potassium Bicarbonate.
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2013, 20:50:01 pm
    How about this for a coating guys?
    http://www.oxititan.com/ (http://www.oxititan.com/)

    It was suggetest by this site to use titanium oxide. It also acts as a diode.
    My personal thought is Meyer's drawings are more of a mechanical drawing then literal.
    I think we're going to find a coating that does all of this work in one with the WFC.
    http://www.ritalie.com/stainless_steel.htm (http://www.ritalie.com/stainless_steel.htm)
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 27, 2013, 02:58:04 am
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on June 29, 2013, 13:09:32 pm
    This is running really close to resonance check it out.
    Lights up light bulb not connected to power like a Tesla coil.

    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on July 03, 2013, 05:54:59 am
    Here's where I'm implying the info to be alike between Stanley's work and TiO2...
    What I'm trying to point out is most important Electron Entrapment/Extraction process this is Stanley's BIGGEST SECRET....
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on July 10, 2013, 19:01:11 pm
    HHO production using distilled water
    This is also an example of the most important part Electron Extraction....
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2013, 23:56:19 pm
    This is running really close to resonance check it out.
    Lights up light bulb not connected to power like a Tesla coil.


    Hi FI3,

    That is funny. So, the bulb lights up if you hold it close to that waterfilled tube with the cups in?

    Steve
    Title: Re: Ultrasonic Nebulizer Array 3000mL per hour Cold Fog Generator WATER BURNS
    Post by: Login to see usernames on July 21, 2013, 11:42:59 am
    This is running really close to resonance check it out.
    Lights up light bulb not connected to power like a Tesla coil.


    Hi FI3,

    That is funny. So, the bulb lights up if you hold it close to that waterfilled tube with the cups in?

    Steve

    Yes that is correct Steve the RF from the Ultrasonic Gen is causing the light to light up because it's near resonance. But the one most important thing is the coating on SS. Although there is no coating on these cups at all.