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Title: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 09, 2009, 21:51:00 pm
this is where i stand at the moment with the alternator.. i have been waiting for some side money to purchase some wire.. i bought it like 2 or 3 weeks ago and have been to busy on other project such as working on my car..  been working on painting it finally primed it yesterday.. few more things to go with it then i will be back on track with this.
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 10, 2009, 00:03:37 am
beautiful! lets roll!
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 11, 2009, 12:35:20 pm
http://www.mtmscientific.com/rewind.html

this site gives you a simple stratagy for winding the alternators..   i went ahead and copied the pics of most importance off the site and put them here..
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 13, 2009, 01:40:22 am
here is a basic template for the rotarty vic circuit board.. if you open it in paint and print it it will be the right size for stans version of alternator..  you can use microsoft paint to route the rest of the connections... i will be posting a complete front and back when i complete the drawing...
this board requires double sided copper clad..
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 01:05:06 am
i went ahead and hopped on diptrace and duplicated stans board.. i will be printing this on photpaper and doing the toner transfer method.. i must purchase a 6x6 inch double sided copper clad to produce this configuration on.. so those with the same style as stans alternator if you have dip trace u as well can replicate his board.
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 21:25:00 pm
Cool!

I opened it up and took some screenshots so the others could see easier.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/RVICPCB2.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/RVICPCB1.jpg)

Where do you plan on getting your copper clad board? I shall be needing some as well.
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 22:28:20 pm
the last ones i bought were single sided clad.. i just looked for a decent deal on ebay for it.. i have also purchased delrin from ebay.
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2010, 22:11:07 pm
thought i would jump into my project section and catch up..

i took the inductance and resistance readings for my stator winds on proto numero uno

i used 26 awg for all..

PHASES                                             INDUCTANCE IN mh                RESISTANCE IN OHMS

PHASE 1
SECONDARY                                              4.15                                     10.25
B+                                                            5.13                                     10.11
B-                                                             5.13                                     10.11

PHASE 2
SECONDARY                                               4.04                                     10.14
B+                                                             5.00                                     10.24
B-                                                              4.95                                    10.18

PHASE 3
SECONDARY                                                3.83                                     10.16
B+                                                              4.75                                     10.20
B-                                                               4.75                                    10.00

SERIES SPECS FOR EACH PHASE

PHASE 1                                                      40.2                                     29.6
PHASE 2                                                      39                                        29.7
PHASE 3                                                      37                                        30
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2010, 22:18:26 pm
note to everyone who wishes to appoach this design.. when i started taking my readings i had my alternator put back together..   i notice that my readings were a lil wacky i thought my meeter was broke but then come to realize that you cannot measure it with it put together.. the rotor pole cause the inductance to change when you turn the rotor..

PHASE 2
B+ induction fluxuated from 6.65- 10.13 mh.. this has to do with the metal rotor poles and there relative postion during rotation by each phase
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2010, 23:02:31 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0745.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0751.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0748.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0749.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0750.jpg)
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 23, 2010, 23:41:32 pm
Nice setup  :D

I am curious about some productionnumbers, Outlaw.
Lets see what it brings.

Steve
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 24, 2010, 00:10:55 am
ok so now im to the point where i need to create my driver for the primary...


i couldnt wait and had to hook it to my tube to see the output.. i had my rotor primary where i could hold it connected to a 12v battery.. nothin special..  the alternator bogs down when i hold it connected seems like it bogs down slower then a non regulated standard alternator..


i know i need to acheive a unipolar pulse wave and it will be from 60 hz ac
variable transformer 

i have a variable 120-132v powerstat that is 297va that can handle 2.25 amps..

i bought it tranformer alone not having a box with a socket and switch.. so i need to wire it my self.. 
question..   do i need to connect a resistor in parallel with the source with a light to the variables soure input?

i had the source wired as said on the transfomer and i have my output leads hooked to a bridged rectifier with.. as i turn it up and check the wires they are getting hot quick,
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 26, 2010, 21:32:15 pm
sorry guys i would be at least giving reading by now but i broke my meter a couple weeks ago and need to pic up a new one :( 

i would like to share somthing i found interesting.. i have played with it by tapping the primary to a 12 volt battery source.. this is what i find the most interesting so far..  i have some thin speaker wire at the moment hooking the fuel cell to the alternators output.. when i am playing with i have to say it is warming the water.. what i find interesting is everything in the system isnt getting hot ..  after playing with it for no more then 3-5 min... so i decided to pull my tube cell apart right after to feel the tem of the tubes.. funy thing is they were only slightly warm at the top half.  where the connectors contact the tubes that half side was cool..  i dont feel that there are much amps within the system but wont be sure until i get a meter..
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 29, 2010, 16:21:26 pm
i tried to more things.. the first thing is i grounded between secondary south and bifilar negative north .. the winds are all in series.. the out put seems to of increased by applying a ground at that location ...  i tried hooking up my varable transformer but it wants to draw to many amps and is not sufficent for the rotors field...  i need to invest in like a 5 - 10 amp variable.. this little 1-132v 297va        2.25 amp isnt gonna do it..
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 30, 2010, 11:45:15 am
ok, man.

Small steps at  the time.. ;)
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2010, 03:51:52 am
ok i am now a proud owner of a Powerstat 116C-40 this one is 1400volt amps..   having 5 "steps" more power available in a instance then my other one..
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2010, 17:26:45 pm
went and bought a multimeter today.. i have a 12 1amp charger that i hooked to the primary and i am reading a output of 40 dc.. and like 90v on ac.. the meter i bought doesnt have a amp meter so thats next on the list..   i know that i cannot run this set up constant on the 12v 1 amp source the alternator will get hot.. im having problems with my polarization circuit so i plan on making another one.. it will work good maybe for gating the variac to the alternator with a varable pulse width and frequency of pulse.
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2010, 06:20:59 am
awesome work your doing with that alternator. Looks like fun
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 12, 2010, 02:44:18 am
thank you carbed..   slowly but surely... just got back from out of town and im glad to see i have my old/newstock  superior electric variable transformer.. anyone thats looking to get a good deal on a variable transformer i suggest you go on ebay and try to find new/old stock brand name.. this transformer i bought for 135 bucks including shipping... it  a superior electric and is  1.4 kva / output volts- 0-140/ 10 amp
it isnt a complete working transformer you have to buy or build a box, hook up a desired output socket with a fuse in line so if you overload you dont burn it up.. and wire a cord to it so you  can plug it in..   

i saw a 22 amp 0-140v output / 240 source one go for like 175

it came in its original box and has a delivery ticket still on the case..
this transformer was sold to eg&g astrophysics reseach in 1993 so its a 93 model brand new.
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2010, 05:56:06 am
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0822.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0824.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0820.jpg)
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2010, 22:30:29 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0833.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0832.jpg)

(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0827.jpg)
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2010, 17:36:44 pm
youtube video looks great, is that the rotary vic or just the chokes like the variable spacing plate cell circuit?
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2010, 19:52:40 pm
thanks don..  in the video all i have is the auto transformer being rectified with a 6 amp 400 volt BR  so what you are seeing is with no amp restriction just the varance of voltage across the cell.. i am not sure of the amps since i do not have a amp meter yet.. i know its pushing some amps because the water is getting warm....


Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2010, 23:08:54 pm
thanks don..  in the video all i have is the auto transformer being rectified with a 6 amp 400 volt BR  so what you are seeing is with no amp restriction just the varance of voltage across the cell.. i am not sure of the amps since i do not have a amp meter yet.. i know its pushing some amps because the water is getting warm....




Nice to see you producing HHO, Outlaw :)
Nice delrin casing around yr tubes, too.




Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2010, 23:14:13 pm
how do you find the pulse generator? is it doing everything you need? (gating and freq range?)

are you using an SCR or transistor to pulse it?

your set up is looking good, once you get some chokes we should compare some results and see what we can figure out
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2010, 23:42:05 pm
in the video i made there is no pulsing by scr.. its hooked directly to the rectifier... there isnt any chokes involved ..   

right now im working on figuring out how this pulse generator works.. i was tryn to get a opto circuit with scr going yesterday.. some reson i couldnt get it to work..

from what i can tell about this pulse generator so far is it seems to pulse correctly as far as i can tell without a scope on it..  but when i switch it onto a gate mode sync or async the pulsing stops all together as if it dont work,,,

in the pic u can see sockets labeled enabling gate input, trigger output advanced and reference as well as trigger input ac...

im woundering if i need somthing to interact with the enabling gate socket to acheive the gating

if so that might just make it possible to some how contol with a pll circuit?
 
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_0833.jpg)
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 20, 2010, 02:09:39 am
try and find a manual for it, search the model number
to hear the frequency i have a tiny speaker that i took out of a out of a microwave
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2010, 03:58:24 am
i have tried to find some info the only thing i see is manuals selling for 75 bucks on ebay (more then i paid for the tool)

i ordered some optos like in stans setup had to order a higher current rectifier too..  hopping to be switching voltage soon..  im gonna attempt to use the pulse generator with the opto.. im able to get it to pulse a let so whats the diff right.

i got my amp meter hooked up and at the moment i am getting a gain of 1 amp per 10 volts increase..  100percent is pushing 10 amps and 10 volts is pushing 1..

out of the 120 volts only 100- 105 is showing rectified dc..
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2010, 07:00:27 am
i've been using distilled water, though its probably not pure, but the resistance is probably still high, it measures about 1500 ohms across the cell, actual accuracy of that reading is unknown, i can go up to about 4 amps then i back off, trying not to over heat anything, and also we should never need more than 5 amps, that was the max of his system, and 3.3 amps in the other system, i also notice a drop in the rectified voltage, 125 volts when the dial is at 140

this is the opto circuit:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture2-3.png)
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2010, 03:31:50 am
nice new video, good to see the progress
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 23, 2010, 04:24:43 am
thanks don.. i got 10 pounds (1900ft)  of 18 awg in the other day...  i need a good sight for the choke cores.. any site suggestions would be great

Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2010, 15:33:56 pm
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j243/outlawstc/101_1003.jpg)
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2010, 15:44:14 pm
Nice piece of wiring!
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2010, 15:53:01 pm
thank you steve.

it has 6 winds per loop totaling 18 per loop which is 36 per cavity since each loop over laps..
anyone following behind i suggest less then 6 per loop, i would say that is the max for 18 gauge.... thats only if your using a alternator like stan had..
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2010, 17:29:54 pm
Beautiful outlaw, I should have started with that instead of 30 gage!
Title: Re: outlaws rotory vic.
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 03, 2010, 17:36:46 pm
haha me too.. the way i look at is if i get it to work it wont be the last wind job so i minus well get used to it..