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Title: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2009, 05:50:08 am
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Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2009, 07:41:59 am
Very Very Nice setup, Thank you for sharing!

Hope to hear your gas productions too, We need for more people to post their gas output with these tube cells so we will have "More" for comparason.
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 23, 2009, 15:12:28 pm
Welcome Bubz!

Nice setup you have.
Any data you wanna share?

Steve
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 07, 2009, 07:23:57 am
Thanks guys! I'm kinda new to all this, but I felt like trying it out and seeing what would happen. I haven't done any major test runs yet because I still have to seal the base from leaks. The short tests I have done so far looked very good and I hope to have it completely ready for some longer test runs this weekend.

Short Description:

16 inch  304  1/2 inch and 3/4 inch OD  .065 gap
Delco 10si Alternator with various stator coil configurations
1/2hp motor with 6 inch pulley
0-120V Variable transformer rectified
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 07, 2009, 07:50:36 am
Thank you Dynodon and DonaldWFC for posting the recent pictures of the alternator and PCB. These pictures are priceless to me! I have wondered for many years what the inside of his alternator looked like. Now I know! I have to gather up some wire and make a mock prototype. Here is a pic from JL Naudin for a partial comparison to show how the wire will be wound around the stator. This is not exact as I will do, but close. The base principals are the same.

Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 07, 2009, 18:44:44 pm
Is that floating?
How does that relate to the RVIC?

I can't wait to see what you come up with for the rewound stator!
You have a very nice and clean set up :)
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 08, 2009, 03:06:55 am
Good news! I have found a ford alternator! Actually a Motorcraft.

Thanks Donaldwfc, and no, that coil is not floating. Just stiff wire. Although, there have been reports of anti-gravity by similar style coils. I will list a few articles for reference. I know it's a long shot of an idea but I haven't ruled it out yet in my research.

One thing that stood out to me when reading Stan Meyer's drawings of his "Bifilar Resonant Chokes" or "Amp Inhibiting Coils", was how they are always, in all drawings, with the path of the current in each wire opposite of each other. On some drawings, the coils are even wound anti-clockwise to each other. I also found that a caduceus, moebius, Tensor, smith, series-bifilar, etc. all had this in common. They cancel out part of their magnetic field. But that's not all.

http://uncletaz.com/library/scimath/cadcoil.html

"First. this apparatus has zero impedance - unlike an ordinary coil.
when fed electrical energy the wire in the Tensor coil does not get
hot.

Secondly. it has infinite resonance - unlike an ordinary coil which
will resonate chiefly at its natural fundamental frequency and
weakly on the 2nd or 3rd harmonic, the Tensor coil is capable of
resonating strongly on any number of frequencies randomly spaced in
the spectrum. The signal pumped into such a coil strangely enough
cannot be quantified (detected) by standard RF (radio frequency)
detection apparatus. Many "Ham" radio operators and electronic
technicians who have used these coils, are completely baffled by
them. One radio amateur found that with two such coils, one used as
a transmitter and the other as a receiver, the second would not pick
up the signal from the first unless they were precisely aligned for the signal to be transmitted the alignment had to be as critical
as that of a laser beam."

http://www.unexplainable.net/artman/publish/article_1746.shtml

"To verify the dissipation of 60 cycle and harmonic EMF was linked

to coil operation and not a property of the 22,000 RPM motor, the

coil was disconnected and the motor ran for a equal amount of time.

No effect on the ELF meter was observed. This appeared to confirm

the fact that this dissipation effect was a property of the Caduceus

coil. This raised many puzzling questions. Could 60 hertz

(appliance) radiated EMF be canceled by the use of a properly tuned

Caduceus Coil?"

http://www.loohan.com/mobius.htm

"Scalar waves are produced when two electromagnetic waves of the same frequency are exactly out of phase (opposite to each other) and the amplitudes subtract and cancel or destroy each other. The result is not exactly an annihilation of magnetic fields but a transformation of energy back into a scalar wave. This scalar field has reverted back to a vacuum state of potentiality.

Scalar waves can be created by wrapping electrical wires around a figure eight in the shape of a möbius coil. When an electric current flows through the wires in opposite directions, the opposing electromagnetic fields from the two wires cancel each other and create a scalar wave."

And so on.
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 08, 2009, 04:34:01 am
That alternator looks just like it! and it's not an aircraft alternator!

Would you be kind enough to share the model number/year and such so it might be easier to locate one.

As for the bifchokes, one is creating a negative voltage and the other is a positive voltage, and they are wrapped with additive magnetic fields. not cancelling, though much is still to be understood.
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 08, 2009, 05:25:50 am
napaonline.com   1975 Lincoln Continental. I'm sure you can pick one up at your local auto parts store too.
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 08, 2009, 13:31:19 pm
hey bubz,

you say that this coil will work in 2nd , 3rd harmonics and any spectrum harmonic to its natural freq..

i want to share a perspective thats been on my mind since yesterday...

imagine you are spining a merry go round.. each time you grab it to add energy with the motion of you hand to apply it..  we will call the grab point a and the release point b...  a is 0 on the scope while be is the max potential reached in the form of distance..   pretend there is a flag on one ofthe post on the mery go round so you can keep track of cycles.. now  one must acknowlege that if the merry go round is lets say spinning at 4 cycles a second, unreal i know but lets pretend.. that would be equivalent to 4hz  you being the energy source providing the acceleration to it do you have to add energy ever  hz to maintain its momentum... no you could add a burst every 4th to maintain speed and hz... now  if we are only feeding it energy 1 out of 4 pushes maintaining 4hz. what will happen if you didnt change your repittion of when you apply energy  but rather you change the speed of your hand that is applying the push... that would mean you could add energy at 1 hz but could still manage to continue to make the marry go round speed up into higher freq.. i think this is a good example of elongating electrons and how it is posible to apply a low frequency and generate higher freq..   amplitude and sharp rise time in a pulse is like the speeding up of the hand from point a to b... aka particle acceleration?
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 08, 2009, 15:12:05 pm
Bubz,the coil you posted the picture of I have seen first hand.It is made using a Magnetics EC52 type of core.Can't say what material for sure,but there were Magnetics E cores there in the stuff I seen.There were 4 rows of bifiller wrapped copper wire on it.There was thin cardboard between each row.Each row had @ 14 turns for each wire(28 turns total per row). So each wire had @ 56 turns.The wire measured .0425 inch.This coil was hand wrapped.Both wires were wrapped at the same time side by side just like the drawing.The wires ended on the same end they were started from.The start end of the wires went to the cell,and the finished ends went to ground on the pulsing circuit.
Hope this helps everyone interested.
Remember this set up was for the variable plate cell.
Don
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 08, 2009, 17:34:09 pm
Thanks Bubs!
For everyone else, take a look at this:

http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=RAY&PartNumber=2133020&Description=Alternator+-+Remfd+-+Standard

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/MotorcraftRVICAlternator.jpg)

Thanks Dynodon for the choke description

90 amp version:
http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=RAY&PartNumber=2133021A&Description=Alternator+-+Remfd+-+Standard
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 09, 2009, 15:57:11 pm
"3 phase windings:
3 coils per phase connected in series
of which two end-coils are bifilar wound
and all three coils wrapped in the same
direction..."


"3 coils per phase connected in series" 
Pos/Coil1(choke)---Coil2(secondary)---Coil3(choke)/Neg

"Of which two end-coils are bifilar wound"

The end-coils are the two choke coils 1 and 3 wound together.

"All three coils wrapped in the same direction..."

We can use the right-hand rule. When the coil is viewed wound away from us, the winds are to the right or clockwise.

A few tidbits...

Stator coil windings:
Longer wire = more turns = higher voltage
Bigger wire = less turns =lower voltage/more current
Smaller wire = more turns = higher voltage/less current
Double the voltage = half the current
Double the current = half the voltage
Adding laminations to the core = higher voltage
WYE = series = higher voltage/less current
Delta = parallel = higher current/less voltage


Thanks everyone for the great posts!
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 09, 2009, 17:40:45 pm
Yea! exactly, what stage of the game are you for building it? If I had 10 hours of free time I'd be winding it, stator is ready to go, would love to cooperate with you if you're going to try this.
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 09, 2009, 17:50:59 pm
Bubz,the coil you posted the picture of I have seen first hand.It is made using a Magnetics EC52 type of core.Can't say what material for sure,but there were Magnetics E cores there in the stuff I seen.There were 4 rows of bifiller wrapped copper wire on it.There was thin cardboard between each row.Each row had @ 14 turns for each wire(28 turns total per row). So each wire had @ 56 turns.The wire measured .0425 inch.This coil was hand wrapped.Both wires were wrapped at the same time side by side just like the drawing.The wires ended on the same end they were started from.The start end of the wires went to the cell,and the finished ends went to ground on the pulsing circuit.
Hope this helps everyone interested.
Remember this set up was for the variable plate cell.
Don

can you describe how it starts and ends at the same side of the coil? i am not sure how to visualize this, thank you :)
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 10, 2009, 05:04:15 am
I think I have beginners luck! My cell leaks faster than I can fill it, but I can get up to 8-10psi in under 5 minutes. Had witnesses and took some crappy pics. 16 watts input power @ 8V 2A...
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 10, 2009, 09:18:35 am
I think I have beginners luck! My cell leaks faster than I can fill it, but I can get up to 8-10psi in under 5 minutes. Had witnesses and took some crappy pics. 16 watts input power @ 8V 2A...

What do you mean here, Bubz?
8V and 2 amps on the rotor?

Steve
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 10, 2009, 14:38:16 pm
Yes, 8V 2A coming out of the Variac into the rotor. The pic shows another test with just 6.65V input with about 1.4A but the gas production is still good. the PSI rises about 1 psi every 20 sec.
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 10, 2009, 17:56:14 pm
when you do psi per second measurements you have to consider the volume of your gas cavity, if you have a smaller cavity you can measure pressure increase a lot faster, so you have to consider that if you want to get any steady readings from test to test or to measure production :)
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 10, 2009, 18:38:47 pm
The gas cavity or space available for gas is about 2 liters. This cell of mine is not exactly small. I'm am just amazed at how much gas is produced with just 10 watts. I will do a video eventually but I want to do some further testing with different stator cores first. I didn't believe myself what was happening so I did it a few times with witnesses to confirm that I'm not off my rocker. Each test was a complete success. I know for a fact that if I can fix the leaking gas, I can get a much better results. Once the power is turned off the pressure gauge falls faster than it rises. Even with the gas leaking so badly the results are still way, way above what I expected or have seen with other people setups.

Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 10, 2009, 20:32:09 pm
10 watts? plus half a horse power, 373 watts

don't forget your drive motor in your power calculations
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 10, 2009, 21:43:45 pm
10 watts? plus half a horse power, 373 watts

don't forget your drive motor in your power calculations

Heee, thats my answer too......

Steve   ;)
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 11, 2009, 03:23:30 am
I do agree with you there. I will surely be taking measurements of it all for nitpicking in the future. I still don't fully understand why this works the way it does. I think I have a good start though. I just need to fix the damn leaks. every leak I fix it gets better then I find a new one.

I made a video of my last run! I hope you enjoy it.

Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 11, 2009, 04:25:23 am
man hook that alternator to a car motor and see what it will do with some horsepower backing it..
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 11, 2009, 04:25:31 am
Beautiful!

Now you need a Rotary VIC  ;)

and Quenching Nozzle.
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 12, 2009, 00:19:33 am
Donald,that ec52 core I was talking about was wound starting from left to right,first row, ,then back left again,second row,back right again,third row,and back left again for the fourth row.All wire ends end up on one end of the core.
Don
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 12, 2009, 00:52:11 am
dynodon,

this core you speak of is the you cores stan used for vics.. and also did you say that the configuration is the same as the standard rectangle vic drawing?  not sure if this is what you speak of just making sure im on the same page...  if it is, does it relate to the rotary vic? can u power them with rotary vics outputs as a power source to reach even higher voltages?
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 12, 2009, 03:31:59 am
Notes on test run #4:

In this test run, the alternator was running a 24V stator. The wire size was half the size of the 12V allowing for more length/turns per phase, but half the current. Input power runs around 5V 1.2A to 7.5V 2A and the alternator runs a little warm. If Stan claimed 5V 2A, then I would assume he was using a 12V stator. I will try to confirm this on test run #5. My best guess at the results, less heat from the alternator, faster gas production, and increased amperage draw at exactly 5V 2A.

 Also note, this test run was stopped at 13psi for the fact that a loud hissing developed which the camera did not pickup. As you can see in the video, there is a stream of water coming from the caps exit port. I hope to have all the leaks fixed for the next run. It's only gonna get better from here!
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 12, 2009, 11:31:39 am
gettem bubz. make that cell bubble like theres no tomorrow.. just dont let anyone take your stapler and dont burn down the building. lol stan said that the cell had its own pumping action ..... the admiral guy like stans invention because he wanted to use the tech to propel submarines so you saying that your cell is pumping water makes me think your getting somewhere..
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 12, 2009, 18:00:49 pm
Outlawstc,the ec52 core is used for the chokes in the Electrical Polarization Process control box.It's whats used to power the variable plate cell only.Not going to work on any other system.
Don
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 13, 2009, 05:13:21 am
Sounds awesome Bubs

When i started playing with my set up, which is similar to yours, i was using way higher voltages on my alternator, like 30 volts, then i clued in that i shouldn't go over 12 volts on the variac, and then i clued in that Stan only ever goes up to about 5 volts on the variac.

Don, so there are 4 layers, back and forth along the core, with cardboard in between? in your first description i was imagining the card board made little bobbin cavities like on the vic coil, so it had 4 spiral sections.
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 13, 2009, 21:27:03 pm
Yes there were four layers going back and forth with cardboard seperating each layer.The cardboard was like that from a cereal box.
Don
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 22:16:59 pm
Here's some pictures related to the EC52 core we all talked about.There will be two pages from the International report and a picture of the vic coil that is in the control box for the variable plate demo cell
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 14, 2009, 23:36:01 pm
Awesome!

I think that says 05 / 23/ 80 ... May 23rd 1980, nice to know!

Who might have a set-up that they could readily build and try this coil? I would love to see it in action!
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 00:41:40 am
Update! I have been testing with the 12V stator and the results are pretty close to my predictions but, I ran into some weird stuff. What happens is, I run the cell as usual and the pressure seems to stop building even though the bubbles do not dissipate like when it's turned off. Well, I'm thinking this was a leak or something like that. When I turn it back on, the gas pressure rises as usual for a brief period of time and then stops again. Again the cell visually does not change. When the cell is turned off, the bubbles dissipate rather quickly. Could this be why Stan used gating?

I can't thank all of you enough, especially Dynodon for all the information. I will still be testing the tubular setup for some time but, I am now beginning my next project building the other demo cell setup with the variable plate gap. I have almost all of the materials in house, so it won't take as long to get it built. I hope. I still have to build the choked stator coils yet, so I have a bit on my table. Not to mention, the Stiffler circuits I bought that are still in the box. I have too many toys.

Thanks again everyone! Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 00:52:59 am
Dynodon,

Do the numbers 56 and 62 indicate the number of turns of each individual choke?

Andy
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 01:05:04 am
No those numbers represent the reference numbers in the tech brief.Look at tech brief 426 figure 7-1,you'll see the nubers there.
Don
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 01:20:23 am
Got it Dynodon.  Thanks.  That would be an example of what I refer to as anti-parallel configuration of the resonant charging chokes if they were wound bifilar on one core.

Andy
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 02:19:12 am
Quote from Wiki...

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:KPojYpTdmiMJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifilar_coil+anti-parallel+bifilar&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

"Others are wound so that the current flows in opposite directions. The magnetic field created by one winding is therefore equal and opposite to that created by the other, resulting in a net magnetic field of zero (i.e., neutralizing any negative effects in the coil). In electrical terms, this means that the self-inductance of the coil is zero.

The bifilar coil (more often called the bifilar winding) is used in modern electrical engineering as a means of constructing wire-wound resistors with negligible parasitic self-inductance."


"An early example of the bifilar coil can be seen in Nikola Tesla's United States patent 512,340 of 1894. Tesla explains that in some applications (which he does not specify) the self-inductance of a conventional coil is undesired and has to be neutralised by adding external capacitors. The bifilar coil in this configuration has increased self-capacitance, thereby saving the cost of the capacitors. It is notable that this is not the kind of bifilar winding used in non-inductive wirewound resistors where the windings are wired anti-series to null out self-inductance."

There is still inductance in the wire just not self inductance. We can also still induce voltage into the wire by a changing magnetic field from the core. The magnetic field is produced from flux sort of leaking out the sides of the coil where the wire is not face to face. The magnetic field is not canceled as it is more confined to a smaller area. 
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 02:42:03 am
Hi Bubz,

That was my understanding and why it was drawn that way to restrict amp flow and allow voltage to take over.  Stan's words not mine.  My coils get hot either way less so with distilled water.  I added a photo above.  toroid coil 100 turns bifilar 200 turns total 20 gauge silver coated teflon wire.  Looking at it I think it's configured in anti-parallel mode similar to how Lawton would wire it current complementing and the coil would buzz at one frequency that I could tell.

Andy
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 02:48:14 am
If your coils get hot... hmm, maybe that's why Stan's chokes above use 0.0425 inch wire, that's pretty thick wire... about 17 gage. What gage are your chokes? They could be too thin?
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 02:52:52 am
20 gauge silver coated copper wire insulated with teflon.  First coil former was a piece of T304 SS pipe the others are ferrite toroids.  Windings are various 25, 50 and 100 bifilar.

Andy
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 02:55:30 am
according to http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm

17 gage can take 2.9 amps for power transmission
20 gage can take 1.5

so maybe for your setup a thicker wire would handle the load better? I am not considering turns and such so i dono...
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 03:17:19 am
I agree with Donald, even in the pics above, I noticed right away the rather large wire diameter, which looks close to the same size of my 12V stator wire. The wire I used previously to connect the alternator to the cell was getting hot. I went to 12 gauge and they don't eve get warm now. I measured the cell consuming 25A. You could keep trying the next size bigger till the heat is gone if you have the time,money and patience.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that my 24V stator had half the wire size of the 12V and was getting hot or real warm. The 12V barely gets warm.

Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 03:31:41 am
Next size up would be 16 gauge wire which is what I'm using before and after the coils.  First I'll try changing the wiring before and after the coils and see what effect it has with 20 gauge wire from the pwm and to the wfc I'm using.  Also using a n4007 diode it gets blistery hot too.  They go poof every once in a while.  Thanks I'll  post here any results I get if you don't mind.  I am attempting to restrict amps.

Andy
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 04:07:06 am
Sure! I don't mind. Post anything you got! Please post pictures and or schematics if you can. I'm very interested in your upcoming results.

Donaldwfc, may I ask you how you made your end caps for your cell? I would very much like a pair of those some day. How tight is the fit when inserting them into the tube? I would even pay you or someone else to do it for me, if I have to. I don't have a lathe... yet. Which reminds me...

Dynodon, Is that a lathe I see in some pictures? Is it blue? Next to the steam resonator thing? And also I saw a pic of the resonant cell on it possibly? I am so curious! What kind of tools did he use?
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 04:24:17 am
ends caps...

made from a thick sheet of acrylic, lots of fun!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture3-4.png)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture2-1.png)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v81/bigbuba/Picture1-3.png)

first trace a circle around the acrylic tube,
cut them out on the band saw roughly
then find the center
drill a hole
mount in lathe like shown
make them round
then it gets fancy with o-rig edge
and all the holes that hold the tubes on the bottom
and the pipe threads that hold the pipes at the top

quite a fun job!

the fit is ... great, all the measurements down to less than a thousandths of an inch where they matter

All the holes are drilled on an Excello Ram Turret Milling Machine with a Digital Readout accurate to 0.0005" (half a thousandth)

Makes it great for laying out hole patterns and having them dead on.
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 04:42:40 am
Very, very nice! Excellent workmanship! Thank you for sharing that!
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 04:48:31 am
If you need something made, i'd be glad to help.

I have been considering making a variable plate demo cell too, so if that is your plan maybe we should have a conversation about it!

I would use the same acrylic tubing my other one is made of, and have end pieces the same, basically make it the same size and shape but with different insides. then i would need the pulsing circuit, but that's not my strong point.... yet
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 30, 2009, 15:27:55 pm
Bubz,yes thats my lathe.It's a 7x12 inch.I bought it from www.toolsnow.com
It does english and metric threads,and comes with alot of accessories.Great for small stuff.
Don
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 02, 2009, 01:41:11 am
Thanks again guys! I see there is a new topic or thread. I'll just mozy on over there.
Title: Re: Bubz "To choke or not to choke, that is the question"
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 10, 2009, 03:46:46 am
I was re-reviewing some of Stan's patents and I came across a very interesting piece. What I gather from this is, Stan had found a way to produce abundant gasses before the discovery of the resonant chokes. So, it is still possible to acheive this "Resonant Action" without the need for chokes. Please read the following quote from the US Patent # 4798661 by Stanley Meyer.

SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

In the utilization of a generator for the separation of the hydrogen and oxygen gasses from water; and the production of the gasses is varied by varying the amplitude of the voltage and/or the pulse rate--duty cycle of the pulsed d.c. voltage applied to the plate exciters in a vessel of water.
The present invention comprises a power supply with the applied voltage to the pair of plate exciters variable from zero upward to extremely high voltages; but yet, that inhibits the electron leakage.

The power supply of the present invention includes circuitry for an increased production of the generation of the gasses through varying the amplitude of the voltage applied to the plate exciters. The circuitry includes means and components for restriction of the electron leakage (current flow).

The applied voltage to the pair of plate exciters is a unipolar pulse d.c. voltage of a repetitive frequency. Alternate power circuitry is utilized. In the first embodiment the input voltage is alternating current fed to a bridge rectifier; whereas in the second preferred embodiment, the input voltage is direct current applied to the primary of a rotating field secondary winding.

With a very low level of amplitude of the voltage applied to the plate exciters, no electron leakage from the negative potential plate exciter to the positive potential attractive field will occur. An amplitude of the voltage above a first forceful level will cause electron leakage. The circuitry of the invention overcomes the electron leakage with the application to the plate exciters the aforesaid pulsed d.c. voltage.

An increase in amplitude of the applied voltage above a second level, will result in electron leakage.

To obtain additional gas production without electron leakage, circuitry in the power supply prevents electron leakage by varying the duty cycle of the pulsed d.c.voltage applied to the plate exciters. The varying levels of amplitude of the duty cycle pulses effectively restrains the electrons from the B+ attractive field.

The pulsating d.c. voltage and the duty cycle pulses have a maximum amplitude of the level that would cause electron leakage. Varying of the amplitude to an amplitude of maximum level to an amplitude below the maximum level of the pulses, provide an average amplitude below the maximum limit; but with the force of the maximum limit.

In most instances of a practical application of the hydrogen and oxygen generator the pair of plate exciters will be several pairs connected in parallel. There will be one terminal to the positive voltage and another terminal to the negative voltage. A further expediency to eliminate electron leakage is attained by eliminating the large surface area probability of stray electrons.

It is noted that the first two circuit components and the multiple connections for restricing electron leakage relates to the plate exciter having the negative voltage applied thereto. That is the circuitry overcomes the attractive force of the B+ potential field. Additional circuitry is provided for very high yield gas production above the aforesaid upper limits, in the negative applied voltage plate exciter.

A circuit is included in the negative plate exciter that practicaly eliminates electron flow; that is, the electrons are prevented from reaching the negative plate exciter and thereby eliminating the affect of the attractive force of the B+ field. A current limiting resister connected between the negative plate exciter and ground, prevents current flow--electron leakage to the the opposite polarity field.

The circuit comprises a limiter resistor connected between the negative plate and ground that blocks current flow--electron leakage to the negative plate. The practical elimination of the current has no affect on the voltage, in the preferred embodiment, since there is no voltage drop.

In a sophisticated embodiment, the limiting resistor comprises a unique structure of poorly conductive material having a resistive mixture sandwiched therebetween. A second resistor of the variable type is serially connected to the unique limiter for tuning. The value of the limiting resistance is determined by the current passing therethrough. The variable is employed until the ammeter reads zero or close to zero as possible.

The sandwich type limiter is varied in value by controlling the mixture of resistive material to binder.

The circuitry and expedients to inhibit the electron leakage at all levels of the magnitude of the voltage applied to the plate exciters is a sequence of steps and functions operable from predetermined circuit components. The order of the circuit functions is set and preferably not altered; however, each of the specific variables can be varied independantly and varied with interrelated function to the other.

The phenomena that the spacing between two objects is related to the wavelength of a physical motion between the two objects is utilized herein. A relatively small increase in amplitude will yield an output several magnitudes greater when the motion of the water molecule is moving to and fro with a repetition rate to match the resonant length of the spacing between the pair of exciters.


I would like to know how he calculated the frequency to the gap space. Any ideas? I am really confused by the statement, "The circuit comprises a limiter resistor connected between the negative plate and ground that blocks current flow--electron leakage to the negative plate. The practical elimination of the current has no affect on the voltage, in the preferred embodiment, since there is no voltage drop." How can there be no voltage drop?
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 10, 2009, 04:03:13 am
Interesting, I remember reading this a long time ago, i think it's about time i read all the patents another time through :)

I think what he means here is that he is applying positive voltage from the power supply, and the grounding the negative to a different ground, with a home-made resistor in between negative and ground, this means the positive voltage is always the same, (no voltage drop), but the electrons come from the negative connection... so they have to go through his resistor, and this is how he limits the current.

He mentions two power supplies, i believe these are the variable plate cell setup and the tubular array setup (or i mean the power supplies associated with them, is what he is talking about)

I will try this next time i get a chance... ground the negative connection by a different path, and try some "poorly conductive material" in between.
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 10, 2009, 20:36:25 pm
Hi Bubz,

I re-read the patent.  I had previously thought that the variable resistor was acting to increase the plate voltage on the negative plate(s) of the wfc.  Looking at it again he describes the "resistor" following the variable resistor as a pair of stainless steel plates sandwiched with a poorly conductive material.  That looks similar to a description of a plate capacitor and water is also a poorly conductive material also known as a dielectric or semi-conductor.  So it looks to me as if Stan is trying to match the capacitance of the wfc with a resistor-capacitor before ground which is how he describes his wfc in some figurative drawings i.e. something with resistive and capacitive properties.  Also I thought the method was a trick to get around the voltage limitations of an electrolytic process; for example 2 volts brute force between 2 plates is pretty efficient.  Anything above is wasted in the form of heat.  A series circuit is like a one lane road but a parallel circuit is like a super-highway.  Let's say the positive plate has a voltage potential of 12 volts and the negative plate has a potential of 10 volts; still 2 volts potential but delivered in a parallel configuration.  Anyway those are my thoughts I haven't tried the variable resistor in circuit either.  I had asked someone about this before but never heard back.  I guess the question is how does a capacitor perform in a pulse dc circuit without dielectric breakdown.

Regards,
Andy
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 11, 2009, 00:42:03 am
Ever had the thought that the "voltages" Stan refers too is required but not as an electrolysis medium but more as a local environment change?
Title: Re: Bubz
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 11, 2009, 16:43:23 pm
Actually yes, one of my earlier thoughts, if you read the water fuel cell explanation in the independent report, from a Dublin institute of something, they do a chemistry type analysis of the process.

basically what they are saying is the reaction of H2O splitting into H and OH ions is constantly, naturally, occurring, in a back and forth process around an "equilibrium point"

and the basic idea is that the water molecule is constantly dissociating and associating itself, and all the WFC does is put the water into a different environment, a pulsing electric field environment, whereby two things happen

1. the naturally dissociated ions are collected, gathered together as a gas to be removed from the water

This removes the ions on one side of the reaction equation, so more ions are naturally created to go back towards equilibrium.

2. The pulsed electric field environment shifts the "equilibrium point"  such that more ions are naturally in solution at any given time.

This then increases the effect of point 1.

and there you go, you're just collecting the hydrogen and oxygen as they dissociate naturally, about an equilibrium reaction, and also biasing the equilibrium so more ions exist, and removing them to create a constant bias towards natural water dissociation.

Simple eh?