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Stanley Meyer => Stanley Meyer => Electron Extraction => Topic started by: MrBlueskywfc on September 19, 2009, 15:42:29 pm

Title: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2009, 15:42:29 pm
I have been reading these EEC posts and i have noticed that everyone has been talking only about water. Stans "Air gas processor" was basically an EEC for Air. The electrical particle generator was filled with a "magnetic gas" which was iron atoms and argon sent through an EEC resulting in iron and argon Ions that would link up together because they where missing electrons. So all i am asking is has anyone tried an EEC with anything but water? Another thing to remember is that atoms will regain balance (regain missing electrons) through light so any EEC needs to be completely sealed with no light penetration. As far as i knew the set up is a resonant cavity hooked up to the "VIC" and a wire hooked to the positive plate with an led on the end with a 10 volt power supplied to the led. The electrons will be attracted to the positive plate because they have a net negative charge. While the resonant cavity is pulsed off, 10 volts is pulsed on to the LED. The electrons will flow down that wire toward the positive source and get burned up in the form of light in the LED. The pulse ends and the 10 Volts to the LED is turned off, the VIC is pulsed on and the resonant cavity starts stripping atoms of their electrons again, starting the process over again. Stan found that injecting Laser Light energy would further assist in this process. All the EEC is is an added circuit to the VIC
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2009, 17:59:55 pm
Yea, you've got a lot of stuff figured out there.

The EEC is not powering the LED's though, the LED's pulsed in sync with the high voltage, and not in sync with the EEC.

As shown in this picture.
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2009, 03:34:33 am
yeah i havent spent alot of time studying the EEC any way. I built a working "Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator" but havent had alot of time to keep going!
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2009, 07:38:33 am
Sounds good, I just got my "Rotary Pulse Voltage Frequency Generator" and cell working a few days ago.

Have you used a rewound alternator for high voltage? I haven't tried that, but it's one of my next modifications to be done.
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2009, 04:44:16 am
nope just plain jane. Heres the video:
and this is a video of the flame from the gasses produced by my WFC:
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2009, 04:54:41 am
It was my understanding that the Alternator is basically the "VIC" in this paticular circuit, only mechanical instead of electrical. I figured that stan probably studied the Rotary Pulse... and then designed something to replace the moving with something non moving. Most likely if he where alive today he would have something made out of just microchips! Any way im working on studying this WFC i have now and im Designing a VIC of my own to hopefully replace the alternator some day. I will, however, also need to make an entirely new water capacitor as well because the capacitance in the one i built now would make it impossable make the inductance in a VIC to work. I will also need to pulse the circuit similarly to how the alternator pulses im guessing.
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2009, 06:41:06 am
http://picasaweb.google.com/hydrocars/HydroCarsFuelCell#5375599492770011026
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2009, 07:31:38 am
ah, neworleans! I've read your posts on waterfuelcell.org, but I am not registered there, welcome :)

Yes, I agree with you on the VIC as a solid state version of the alternator, even if you look closely, you'll notice the VIC Coil has 14 coil sections, as does my delco remy alternator has 14 coils/loops per phase, and some other resemblances.

If you read his later newsletters, he mentions his microchip design to control the function of the system for use in the cars with the injectors, so even then he was developing with the state of the art in electronics, now if we grasp what we need, we can probably do it easier and cheaper... sounds easier than done I suppose

Have you gone through all of the patents? he has a patent on the control and driver circuits, as well as mentioned in the new zealand video, he uses a PLL resonant scanning circuit that sweeps from 0-10khz-0 and repeats until it finds a lock. I surely think without such a driver system we would have little luck at resonating the cell properly.

Steve, make a project section for MrBlueskywfc :)
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2009, 23:55:30 pm
Well thank you for the welcome! Im no pro by any means but i have found that it has helped me in a way, i can use the "KISS" method better than the most educated! It does, however hinder me a bit and im wishing i paid a little more attention in algebra! If only i knew id be this into the WFC. Oh well ill just keep plugging along.
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2009, 06:44:04 am
i've noticed you pretty much went inch for inch in building stans system, which i have come to realize helps to get things right even if you don't exactly understand why things are supposed to be built the way they are, it keeps you from making your own decisions and unknowingly compromising a design feature of importance.
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2009, 12:43:49 pm
exactly! Now im working on a VIC Completely Blind!! hahaha I like building it, turning it on, seeing it work, and then testing it and finding out whats happening. Everyone everywhere seems to be building the VIC and hooking it up to an oscilliscope but everyone seems to have forgotten an important factor!!! ITS AN LC curcuit hahaha it needs a capacitor. A water capacitor to be exact. any way i was going off from the pictures in the tech brief to build the different circuit boards but if you look at the schematics and then look at the boards theres more on the boards than on the schematics so itts back to the think tank i guess. Basically all im going to do is build a selectable pulsating circuit and build a circuit that is a 5 and 12 volt power supply and work from there. I was going into our local university for help designing the circuits and the professor in there guided me to do something STUPID! It basically cooked the WFC i have here now so i recently took it all apart and re-built the whole thing and it still isnt running the same as it did originally. So thats what happened when i looked to higher learning!! haha
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2009, 13:28:00 pm
exactly! Now im working on a VIC Completely Blind!! hahaha I like building it, turning it on, seeing it work, and then testing it and finding out whats happening. Everyone everywhere seems to be building the VIC and hooking it up to an oscilliscope but everyone seems to have forgotten an important factor!!! ITS AN LC curcuit hahaha it needs a capacitor. A water capacitor to be exact. any way i was going off from the pictures in the tech brief to build the different circuit boards but if you look at the schematics and then look at the boards theres more on the boards than on the schematics so itts back to the think tank i guess. Basically all im going to do is build a selectable pulsating circuit and build a circuit that is a 5 and 12 volt power supply and work from there. I was going into our local university for help designing the circuits and the professor in there guided me to do something STUPID! It basically cooked the WFC i have here now so i recently took it all apart and re-built the whole thing and it still isnt running the same as it did originally. So thats what happened when i looked to higher learning!! haha

Lol. I am sure he meant well. ;)

Steve
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2009, 15:24:32 pm
Hi mister Bluesky ,

I did make a solid state version of what I call an 3 phase variale frequency pure sine inverter . Power can be about 150 watts per phase , that is the component limits .

It still is on my breadboard , I tested with a +12 - 12 power supply @ 1 amps and it was 67% efficient , wich is about 3-4 times more efficient than an alternator .

I received my pcb last week , unfortunately it had many mistakes and holes that should have been holes were actually "crossover levels" not drilled that need much modification and repair , I couldnt find a drill bit small enough because of this little oring thing and  am using a hammer pin method. My first pcb try was when I did my first lawton pwm like , that pcb had a huge mistake wich I will not talk about lol.

300$ wasted so far on pcb with mistakes . I am making EXTRA sure this time that everything is 100% good . I did that but I always get fukked somehow , its amazing really how hard it is to make an error free pcb ...

Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2009, 01:03:08 am
haha After reading my last post I realize it may be a bit Abbrasive to people with higher education!! I mean no offense by any means, in fact as i stated earlier i wish i had better education, I was simply stating in my last post that it was funny that the guy who i assumed knew more than me blew up my project.Oh well. Man i really want to buy that Lot of Stans stuff and make a WFC Museum and reverse engineer it at the same time.
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2009, 04:39:17 am
If you have the money, go for it!
I wish I did, I'm just a poor engineering student... for now.

Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2009, 09:27:18 am
Thats A Nice Stanley Replica Control Box you have there, Also Nice Bends on the Tubes.

What Exactly is your Production? Or, What exactly is your Flow meter telling you. I didn't really count the number of your tubes, But i will guess 300 cc's or ML for that cell would be terrific?

I'm not trying to be negative here, But dont let stans 7 liter Claim get you down. If you Reverse Engineer his words of a 1 liter cavity to produce 7 liters a min, and if you test it you will find it to be impossible.

Something Tells me,,, You have seen some Photo's others have not. I'm a Bit angry about the photos not being Shown. I've stated in the past that it wouldn't be a good thing to post them, But, Based on stan and the connections,,,, I do Not see Anything MORE to be gained from anything of stans. So could someone call a meeting and have a chat about finishing off what was started, The releasing of the Photos. My point of view, That car isn't worth getting sick over, To date, Nobody can confirm water power perpetual So the owners need not be worried about that happening anytime soon. Sadly, as i have stated already,,, "I really cant touch the wfc." My Life has Taken a Turn, My Future is In Front of all the toys right now, I dont have the choice to test at this moment. I Miss it much! Hope to be back in the game soon but no garantee's. However i'll be around to wast thread space.
Title: Re: Side Note on the Electron Extraction Circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2009, 19:12:21 pm
We cannot become an inventor by the reverse engineering method... notting new will be created... walking in others steps is no success... Inventing is a gift, so new ideas come all the time when you think you can create something new. Stanly Meyer was smart, but he was a person, a human and so are you guys... I think we have to invent this again, but he gave us many clues to work with..

Warp,
Hope you will be back with testing when time is ready, with new ideas to try out...Keep on "wasting thread space" when you feel like it, for your knowhow imputs is pulsing this forum up to a higher level, kind of like the voltage step-up in the VIC...  ;D

I think it will be hard to confirm water power perpetual for a person...it would be a big test of morality. If he invented this alone and had spent many years on it, it would be hard to just give it away for free, but if he did, it would make him like a new Jesus and get the Nobel prize.. ;D time will show.. not a dilemma at the moment.

Thumbs up to MrBluesky for the EEC investigation!