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Title: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 18, 2009, 21:56:31 pm
Hi,

Many have asked me for a schematic on how to drive a waterfuelcell.
Here is what i call, the IonizationX reference schematic. This is what works best sofar.
The circuit is build to make use of BEMF pulses for an optimum result.
Because the duty is around 98%, you will have almost strait DC, but in the very short
off periode of the cycle, you will get the BEMF pulse into your WFC.

Please be so kind to share your results here in this topic when you build this circuit.

Best regards
Steve
Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 18, 2009, 23:49:10 pm
24 hours earlier and i could have bought the diodes. I made a larger order today at an online store. Maybe i'll try in the future or use 1n4007s ...  :-\
Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2009, 09:28:00 am
Haithair,

Sorry to hear that.
Well, match components to your setup. For a tubecell, i would say make more circuits. For each 2 tubes one. This because of the terrible low resistance, when you have like 8 in parallel.

Steve



Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2009, 14:54:03 pm
i looked into the data sheets for the diodes, aren't they oversized? even a 1n4007 does have a rating of 1000V/1A, which is 1000W, the diodes you mentioned can hold much much more, as i remember the concept was to inhibit current to the mA range.
why this large diodes?
Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2009, 15:26:42 pm
maybe the initial current surge of each pulse on the diode is grand before the choke chokes it off??
Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2009, 20:12:19 pm
Ok, to make it a little bit more clear here. This is NOT a Stan Meyer 5mA circuit.
This is a working, proven, electrolysis circuit, which provides a better result then a normal DC circuit.
So, this circuit uses AMPS and VOLTS.

In my case, i have a 60 plate drycell. That cell runs on about150VDC, give and take.
That means that the coils of that circuit are seeing a 150V pulsed voltage with an 8 Amp current.
During the duty time, the coils are getting fully charged. A magnetic field is createwd.
When the mark / off time of the cycle comes in, the magnetic field collapses and the BEMF puls of the coils will hit the wfc BIG TIME.

@Haithair: The BEMF pulse is in joules pretty big. The BEMF puls will be short. Meaning HV and high amps in a very short time periode. mS or uS. Because that puls is short, the Mark / off time is kept to a minimum.
Thats the reason why the diodes are so large. Smaller ones, like the 1n4007 are blown up by the spike.

So in scheme of all this, you must try to use a core as big as possible. And wire that is not too small.
All our efforts with small cores and thiny wire didnt give much results. Thats why Stan used 36Volts.
Thats why Boyce is using like 200Volts.
And thats why I use150Volts.

br
Steve








Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2009, 21:01:25 pm
alright then i misunderstood the purpose of this circuit. it has lost interest to me because i'm not interested in current-electrolysis.
Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 26, 2009, 15:08:57 pm
Ok,

I have a new diode which will do also a very good job here.
Its the rhrg75120

The RHRG75120 is a hyperfast diode with soft recovery
characteristics (trr < 85ns). It has half the recovery time of
ultrafast diodes and is silicon nitride passivated
ion-implanted epitaxial planar construction.

Steve
Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2009, 01:15:11 am
hello Steve
it is been a while i know  :-[
how much improvement did you get on this technique bemf .
Thank you
Najman
Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 30, 2009, 11:04:35 am
hello Steve
it is been a while i know  :-[
how much improvement did you get on this technique bemf .
Thank you
Najman

That depends on total setup. Its hard to say.
This schematic was given to RAVI by Aussepom and you all know what Ravi is claiming.
If you are gonna build this, then try to use plates in serie. Or 1 circuit per tube.
Its, because of the impedance. When its too low, you will never see nice spikes on yr scope.
More tubes in parallel, are giving less then 1 ohm! NOT good.
I also suggest that you play with the mark/space. 50% is way too less power in the system.
Well, take some parts you already have and use a big core. I use a MOT primairy coil. Other coils are cut off. Bifilar is better, but 2 single coils work as well.

The result is so depening on the water type too.

Steve




Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 31, 2009, 17:03:17 pm
the original one
Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 01, 2009, 16:35:52 pm
Ok so after i a lot of consideration (5min ;D ) i took the plunge and made the bifillar coil ,material used:
2 x 100 feet cooper wire 14 awg .
spool dimension  130MM  X 50MM
3M scotch tape
total cost 25$ Canadian .
total turns +- 152 turns
total time  2 hours
tools used both my hands witch this morning i cannot feel them  >:(

now i have to order the diodes to complete and test the BEMF.

Najman

Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells Cramton circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 23, 2011, 07:51:02 am
(http://www.ionizationx.com/file:///C:/Users/Alen/Desktop/Phase%20lock%20included.png)Ran across a circuit fro(http://www.autismpedia.org/wiki/images/0/03/Cramton_circuit.png)m a fellow named Cramton. I includes the PLL circuit
Title: Re: IonizationX reference circuit for waterfuelcells Cramton circuit
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 23, 2011, 09:05:15 am
 8)
(http://www.ionizationx.com/file:///C:/Users/Alen/Desktop/Phase%20lock%20included.png)Ran across a circuit fro(http://www.autismpedia.org/wiki/images/0/03/Cramton_circuit.png)m a fellow named Cramton. I includes the PLL circuit


looks like a proper pll circuit to me!
Thanks for posting :)

Steve