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Electrolysis => Fuel Cells => Plate Cells => Topic started by: kumaran on December 17, 2007, 08:11:51 am
Title: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 08:11:51 am
Hi guys,
I have been experimenting on plate cells and choke for the pass few weeks.
Cell setup : Number of plates : 16 Number of cell : 8 Plate gap : 1.2mm Choke : Transformer primary (12V)
I will post the setup photos soon. Attached is the circuit I used in my experiment. As mentioned before I found that 100 turn choke gave better result compared to 200 turn choke. I did use bifilar choke previously but I find using single inductor after cell and before mosfet gave similar results or much better.
Firstly, I test with inductor with 800 turns. The best output amps is less than 0.5A at resonance. Then I test with 100 turns inductor I got higher output amps compare to input. Then I use factory wound transformer 12V (primary) I got much better results. Finally, the best results obtained using 6V primary transformer.
I hope this circuit can be tested and verified by someone and post the results.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 09:03:24 am
that is one hell of a smart circuit! you came up with this yourself?
stevie, you should have a look at this! great job, i can say i like this!
kurman, how much trouble would it be for you to download msn?
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 09:23:13 am
that is one hell of a smart circuit! you came up with this yourself?
Glad to hear you like the circuit. The circuit is purely trial an error. I follow Bedini monopole SSG circuit and Steve's circuit. Modify the circuit a bit to suit electrolysis. Have you tested the circuit? I manage to get 3 times more amps using transformer (6V primary). Placing inductor in between battery and cell will not give any results. Inductor my be placed after cell and before mosfet (drain).
Hydrocars, I can't access many sites at my working place. I don't have internet access at home. If really need to contact me, PM me or just reply to this post.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 09:39:29 am
ahh, you might already know this but you're pulsing the inductor and the inductor is discharging threw the diode to the cell, this is "ideal", there is much that should be added to this circuit.
the reason this circuit works so well is because the inductor which acts as a spring "pushes" amps into the cell, where just connecting it to a battery would not.
this is a very good circuit, is there any way you can think to make 2 of these circuits in 1? just to see what that might do.
yes work is understood, i only sent a mail out because no activity was happening on the site at all, we have several members here and no one has made hardly any post.
there is more to come when things get up to par.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 10:07:40 am
Hi Hydrocars,
I forgot to mentioned about narrow gap plate cells when first time constructed. In newly constructed cell, bubbles tend to stick to plates. But after running the cell for sometime (few hours), the bubbles are free to flow out from the gap easily.
ahh, you might already know this but you're pulsing the inductor and the inductor is discharging threw the diode to the cell, this is "ideal", there is much that should be added to this circuit.
But the voltage across the cell is still less than 3V (still doesn't show OU). One think for sure, amps is the one does the work and not voltage (to my knowledge). If add more batteries in series, less input amps needed but output amps doubles or triples. I need you to try and verify the circuit.
this is a very good circuit, is there any way you can think to make 2 of these circuits in 1? just to see what that might do.
You mean full circuit including PWM, cell & choke?
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 11:13:17 am
i can save you the trouble, if you could choose between 120 volts at 1 amp which is 120 watts, or 12 volts 10 amps wich is 120 watts, you would use the 12 volts 10 amps even though the power output is the same, amps does more work.
so you can choose 1 amps to get 120 watts using 120volts
or you can choose 10 amps to get 120 watts using 12 volts
even though the output is the same, you will get more hydrogen at lower volts more amps.
one thing i want to say is don't try to get overunity this soon as the definition for it is so complicated people get easily confused. when using a circuit you should not look for overunity even though we have circuits here that prove overunity. it is not important.
what is important is that you understand the reason you came into this hobby. when you understand this you will be somewhat pulled from the dark many is lost in.
i say use 3 coils, and pulse none at the same time. this can be very complicated but you will find it is well worth the complication.
the key goal here is to run a motor on hydrogen, allthough i don't see anything wrong with playing with circuits, the alternator is ready to be taken to the next level and that is to run a motor. i have said elsewhere that electronics is less important because we have the hydrogen we need to run a engine. but there is no need to stop on the circuits because of it.
there is many trying to get engines to run today that i know of, i have included tips to try and help out but was overlooked somewhat.
My attitude is, there is only 1 way to do this, and that is do it.
i can understand your concern with the time you have to get things done. if you and stevie could get together you would make one hell of a team! stevie i think you guy's could help each other out alot! i say this because stevie knows what to do, and i feel kurman knows how to do it.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 17:09:28 pm
that is one hell of a smart circuit! you came up with this yourself?
stevie, you should have a look at this! great job, i can say i like this!
kurman, how much trouble would it be for you to download msn?
Yes, Kumaran is making progres. Nice to see!
br Steve
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 17:23:26 pm
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But the voltage across the cell is still less than 3V (still doesn't show OU). One think for sure, amps is the one does the work and not voltage (to my knowledge). If add more batteries in series, less input amps needed but output amps doubles or triples. I need you to try and verify the circuit.
You mean full circuit including PWM, cell & choke?
Kumaran, I think the 3V is very nice to have, because the cell will get hotter with higher volts. What the circuit concerns, Hydro is talking about a new 3 phase pwm and chokes. That connected to one cell. I am bussy making a drawing, but I cannot find a normal drawing software with normal ic pictures.
What you made is where I and Hydro are discussing about for a while by msn now. We wanna pusch amps into the cell to. Just like you did in above schematic. So, if you use 3 pwm's. Every pwm is 120 degrees out of phase. You get a 360 degree phaseshift, just like the alternator. If you end up with pulsing 3 coils, you have an optimum result.
As soon as I have the schematic finished, I will send it to you.
br Steveb
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 18, 2007, 01:49:22 am
since the cats outta the bag, yeah its not PWM, this is totally different, stevie may have a diff point of view than i.
what you want is 3 phase, where you can control the height of the waves at the same time and control the speed.
the speed in time with the height creates 3 phase Harmonics, it is this 3 phase that acts like replacing the batteries very fast, and with the back emf spring effect with coils it literally pushes amps into the cell.
the amount of amps pushed into the cell is determined by the electronics and not the cell. there will come a point to where you get so much hydrogen you don't know what to do with it.
i currently produce hydrogen at 15 to 20 volts and 15 amps, thats about 300 watts, i use no additives and produce a really good amount. you seen the video i posted on youtube? i had a leak when making that video.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 18, 2007, 04:57:24 am
i can save you the trouble, if you could choose between 120 volts at 1 amp which is 120 watts, or 12 volts 10 amps wich is 120 watts, you would use the 12 volts 10 amps even though the power output is the same, amps does more work.
so you can choose 1 amps to get 120 watts using 120volts
or you can choose 10 amps to get 120 watts using 12 volts
even though the output is the same, you will get more hydrogen at lower volts more amps.
2V is just enough for electrolysis. After I power off the circuit, cell still keeps about 1.5V charge.
i say use 3 coils, and pulse none at the same time. this can be very complicated but you will find it is well worth the complication.
Car alternator is the best to do this job but need to test and find suitable inductor for different speed, that is the challenge. Hope we are going in right direction now.
Kumaran, I think the 3V is very nice to have, because the cell will get hotter with higher volts. What the circuit concerns, Hydro is talking about a new 3 phase pwm and chokes. That connected to one cell. I am bussy making a drawing, but I cannot find a normal drawing software with normal ic pictures.
I use ExpressPCB software (free) to draw the circuit. The software is still lack of many component. I had no choice but draw the new component. Actually I've tought about 3 phase long time ago. Yesterday, I was testing my old 3PH circuit (bread boarded) which was used for Bob Boyce resonance drive. One of the phase is not working and I will rectified the problem by today.
My idea is not actual 3 phase (120 degree). I will use 3 different inductor with 3 PWM. I will adjust each phase PW and frequency to produce 1A output which totally depends on inductor used. Then I switch on each phase one by one and see if any significant changes in input and output amps and also gas generation. Using this method, there will be clashes between phases but just wanted to see what the difference can it make to cell and circuit.
What you made is where I and Hydro are discussing about for a while by msn now. We wanna pusch amps into the cell to. Just like you did in above schematic. So, if you use 3 pwm's. Every pwm is 120 degrees out of phase. You get a 360 degree phaseshift, just like the alternator. If you end up with pulsing 3 coils, you have an optimum result.
As soon as I have the schematic finished, I will send it to you.
br Steveb
Yesterday, my friend gave me an old car alternator. I still think of a way to turn this alternator using speed controlled motor. I did some experiment on RotoVerter using 3PH motor previously. Not sure if I can find high speed DC motor and the speed is controlled with variable transformer. I know one of my friend has permanent magnet DC motor.
I still believe series cell (Bob Boyce design) together with this 3PH circuit will produce much better results. I will do that experiment also to confirm. I remember Bob did say he was using less than 4A to produce 6LPM using resonance drive (not really sure). Probably this is the method he used but with fixed frequency.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 18, 2007, 06:19:53 am
Bedini SSG setup part 1
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 18, 2007, 06:22:00 am
Bedini SSG setup part 2
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 18, 2007, 06:32:53 am
Different type of test cell used for pulse drive.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 18, 2007, 06:42:29 am
Test cell which currently being used for experiment. The cell gap is 1.2mm. Used 1.2mm nylon washer as seperator. Total of 9 holes drilled for each plate. Time consuming job but worth to keep the plates align.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 18, 2007, 07:01:27 am
I still believe series cell (Bob Boyce design) together with this 3PH circuit will produce much better results. I will do that experiment also to confirm. I remember Bob did say he was using less than 4A to produce 6LPM using resonance drive (not really sure). Probably this is the method he used but with fixed frequency.
yes, i have not seen bobs design, with what you said it sounds like to me he found the resonate frequency of the chokes he was using hooked to the cell, this will cut the power needed in half.
i do not believe in water resonance.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 18, 2007, 07:23:53 am
Hi Hydrocars,
Bring down the input power is the key factor for high efficient while delivering same output or more.
Talking about efficiency, I saw documentary few days ago on fuel efficiency on discovery channel.
Coal : 10% efficiency Petrol : 25% efficiency Diesel : 45% efficiency Natural Gas : ? Hydroxy : ?
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 19, 2007, 03:02:40 am
Hi guys,
I have complete breadboarded the 3PH PWM circuit. Will put the circuit for test today and report the results on Friday. Yesterday, my friend gave me his DC servo motor (ferrite core). I could control speed of the motor with variac and FWBR. Now, got to find a way to mount motor and alternator. Will let you know onces done. Too many things to do.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 21, 2007, 03:50:06 am
Hi guys,
I did experiment with 3 channel circuits yesterday. I use three different type of inductors. First inductor is from 12V:230V transformer. For second and third inductors, I use homemade inductor (not sure about number of turns).
I place manual switch in between PWM and Mosfet as a control. Turn all switches off. Turn on power for circuit. Turn on switch for first channel and adjust the PW and frequency until the output amps shows 1A and repeat the step for remaining two other channels.
I'm using 36V to drive mosfets and 12V to power PWM. By suppose if all the channel turned on the output power should be 3A but in real the ammeter shows 1.7A (output). Input amps shows 0.4A. Voltage across electrolyser shows 3V. The bubble formation looks different compared to earlier. I could see three different size of bubbles when all three channel is on. For this test I use pure tap water and wondering what could happen if I add some electrolyte (KOH) into this water.
I reset back all the channel settings. Add some electrolyte into tap water. Turned on first channel and tune until the meter shows 1A (output). Same settings for the rest. Now, onces I turned on all the channels, I see the output amps shows 2A while input amps shows 0.3A. The voltage across electrolyser shows 2V. This is better result compared to previous testing.
From these experiment, I find that adding electrolyte produce better result. Happy testing and Merry Christmas everybody.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 21, 2007, 04:52:01 am
yes, and later when you learn more you can see i need no electrolyte, my cell is the same as a 1 ohm resistor :)
so when you get the electronics up to par, you no longer need salt or koh, merry christmas and ho ho ho lol
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 04:18:53 am
Hi Hydrocars,
As requested by you, I have attached the modified Bedini SSG for electrolysis. The neon bulb is very important to protect mosfet in case the output is not attached to any load (cell).
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 07:48:57 am
stevie 3 of these circuits is ideal.... great job kumaran...
stevie post that 3 phase circuit if you have it...
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 08:08:29 am
stevie 3 of these circuits is ideal.... great job kumaran...
stevie post that 3 phase circuit if you have it...
Thanks. Please help to post the 3 phase circuit. I have some idea on using additional inductor for alternator once motor & alternator setup complete. Just wanna check if Steve's 3 phase circuit is similar to my idea or not.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 08:32:18 am
welp, that there be a glitch in ya circuit kurmaran, but didn't want to point it out just yet... thats a very nice circuit indeed you got there!!!!
well anyhow, when you only pulse one side of the coil, the output is not like a sine wave, it is only half of a sine wave.
so you can see it charge up and bend over, but the discharge will drop fast off that inductor you got there. so what needs to be done is you gonna have to get that other side of the sine thats lost threw the coil discharge time. to do this, you pulse the coil both ways! this way you have a true sine wave!
ya see, when the coil charges, that half of the sine wave is good, but the cell dont use that half.....
when the coil discharges, this is the half the cell see's, and that half is not half a sine wave, it looks much more like a capacitor discharge wave. this will have to be fixed for this to work they way it should.
now you get 3 of these discharge sine waves together,,, and you forcing amps in, more amps than the cell will usually take! you also got a harmonic at a particular frequency, now this is not pure dc, THATS WHY ITS SO GOOD.
its like changing the batterys very very fast, accept a battery dont have spring action like a coil!
sleep on this..
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 10:07:26 am
Hi Hydrocars,
I really don't understand your statement.::) Pulsing coil both ways produces AC and how can we use AC for cell. Confuse....
Never mind, I can learn this stuff once I get the alternator setup up and running.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 10:23:29 am
I am currently bussy with my new wfc. I have the new 3 phase circuit in my head and partly on paper. I will continue soon with the electronics and the schematic. When its finishd, I will put it here.
br Steve
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 10:48:52 am
Hi Steve,
I haven't watch the video you have posted since all video and audio streaming sites are blocked at my work place. I will comment once I finish watch those videos later.
Picture & schematic are better way to describe setup.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 17:20:28 pm
Thats sad Kumaran. I can email the vids to your emailadres , if you like?
Br Steve
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 21:51:58 pm
I really don't understand your statement.::) Pulsing coil both ways produces AC and how can we use AC for cell. Confuse....
Never mind, I can learn this stuff once I get the alternator setup up and running.
it's not ac kurmaran, it is 3 phase ac, it is full wave rectified from the alternator. this circuit replicates the alternator, there is much work that needs done.
the output is 3 phase ac rectified into dc, there is no spike removers etc,,,.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 25, 2007, 04:26:17 am
Thats sad Kumaran. I can email the vids to your emailadres , if you like?
Br Steve
Video, audio, porn and even f**k word will be blocked from reaching staff at work place. Super tight security, in a way its better. If not people will spend time watching videos during office hours.
Yep, I saw the video already. Looks like a lot of gas until the white foam covers to bottom of the container. You mentioned that you use 12V and 19A right? But gas output looks way too much for this input power. Still you got to measure the gas output using submerged bottle into water method to get LPM readings. Later you can use gauge. I believe plate cells also can be used to output that much of gas if the gap is set closer (1.0mm to 1.5mm) to reduce resistance. Other simple way to lower the resistence is just add one drop of KOH. Problem solved.
it's not ac kurmaran, it is 3 phase ac, it is full wave rectified from the alternator. this circuit replicates the alternator, there is much work that needs done.
the output is 3 phase ac rectified into dc, there is no spike removers etc,,,.
Why need to use electronic solutions if alternator can do the job since alternator already have FWBR to convert 3PH AC to DC? Mechanical solution is always better than electronic solution. Just add simple relay to on and off power goes to cell. I would rather use additional alternator to power the cell instead of electronic.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 25, 2007, 10:59:03 am
Hi Kumaran,
My goal is NOT using any chemicals to improve anything. So for me no KOH. The gas production is very nice and will improve If I connect my alternator setup to it. My new wfc is still leaking some drops of water and I have the right stuff to stop that. After that I can make the famous bottle test to measure gas output. I have the bottles already in the house for some months, but I never constructed it yet.
As far as the alternator goes, I also wanna have a non alternator setup. Because the alternator needs a drivermotor and both make a lot of noicee.... ;D I need more control with non moving parts.
br steve
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2007, 05:06:10 am
Hi guys,
I'm almost complete setting up DC motor and alternator. This is the first time I'm playing with alternator outside car so i don't know much about alternator. From what I read on net, alternator has rotor coil and stator coil. Rotor coil need seperate input power (like 12VDC) to produce 14.4V output. While alternator spun by DC motor (belt driven), I connect 12VDC 7AH to rotor coil. I saw the alternator output voltage was too high around 60V and this figure not on max RPM yet. DC motor can go up to 4000 RPM max.
Then I use 5W 150ohm resistor in between battery and rotor coil to reduce amps. Yes, the output voltage comes down. I'm using very old alternator, got from scrap yard. Any suggestion to maintain output voltage between 14.4V to 15V? Please help.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2007, 10:21:53 am
Hi Kumaran,
Please try to find out if you have a WHY or delta configuration in yr alternator. Otherwise we do not were we are over talking about! Perhaps you have to take the alternator apart to look into it, to see what it is.
We then go from there, to get you up and running! As soon as you have a load on the diodebridge, you see volts lower.
br Steve
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2007, 12:10:48 pm
if you have 3 sets of 2 wires twisted together it is delta, if you have 3 wires only not twisted together it is wye.
so if it is delta, it will have 6 wires output, but 2 is twisted together on each output.
"i like delta", stevie likes wye, they both kick but!
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 31, 2007, 05:07:05 am
The old alternator should have external AVR to control magnetic field for stator. Found out from my car mechanic and he helped me to fix one to this old alternator. I haven't test this alternator with AVR yet (was away for two days). I'll post the result once tested.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2008, 06:26:59 am
Hi guys,
The alternator used was spoilt. Now I know why the alternator gives out 60V. I test with DMM set at diode settings and found out that alternator diode got damaged. My friend gave another alternator which only has two pin for rotor coil. This alternator has built in circuit. Once the alternator spun up to speed, the rotor automatically get magnetised and able to output power at 16.74V (without load). Much simpler alternator compared to previous version.
The alternator current flow automatically adjusted based on load being used. To force more current then need to apply 12V to rotor pin. I tought of putting variable resistor between 12V battery and rotor pin to control input amps that goes in inorder to control alternator output amps.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 02, 2008, 16:50:52 pm
The alternator used was spoilt. Now I know why the alternator gives out 60V. I test with DMM set at diode settings and found out that alternator diode got damaged. My friend gave another alternator which only has two pin for rotor coil. This alternator has built in circuit. Once the alternator spun up to speed, the rotor automatically get magnetised and able to output power at 16.74V (without load). Much simpler alternator compared to previous version.
The alternator current flow automatically adjusted based on load being used. To force more current then need to apply 12V to rotor pin. I tought of putting variable resistor between 12V battery and rotor pin to control input amps that goes in inorder to control alternator output amps.
wise decision! I think you found the the right alternator now. I took the avr and diodes out my alternator and I used only the diodes. Hydro and me are indead controlling rotor voltage. But we use the amps and volts of the alternator self. See the schematic here on this forum..we use a FET.
happy testing!
br steve
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2008, 09:51:49 am
Hi Steve,
Yes, that is the way to get higher voltage out of alternator. OK, I learned some new things from alternator. The rotor pin I mentioned yesterday which I intent to control input current to control rotor magnetize level, does not work. Once the rotor got charged, this pin outputs 14.73V.
This alternator automatically adjust the output power based on load applied. So I got to work around based on this feature and should be fine.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 03, 2008, 11:35:21 am
Ok Kumaran,
lets see what that brings you. If it doesnt bring what you need, you can open the alternator and get the regulator out.... There are schematics around on the internet how to build a regulator....and how to adjust one to yr needs.
br steve
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 17, 2008, 13:27:06 pm
My goal is NOT using any chemicals to improve anything. So for me no KOH. The gas production is very nice and will improve If I connect my alternator setup to it. My new wfc is still leaking some drops of water and I have the right stuff to stop that. After that I can make the famous bottle test to measure gas output. I have the bottles already in the house for some months, but I never constructed it yet.
As far as the alternator goes, I also wanna have a non alternator setup. Because the alternator needs a drivermotor and both make a lot of noicee.... ;D I need more control with non moving parts.
br steve
Hi Steve!
Your setup sounds impressive! Did you have a chance to measure your gas production in lites per minute yet?
Wouter
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 30, 2008, 14:23:09 pm
Hi this is my firs post her at IX.
Steve; I do not understand why you have a problem with the use of KOH, it does oly benefit our goal!
Lower resistance = less heat + works as anti frees in the winter.... (mebe global warming in the end fixes this but in the mean time...)
Kumaran; I am most impressed with your efficiency of above 90% do you have the numbers or vid some place? I have ben working on the C-cell from overynity.com to understand more. And indeed I wil say I have!
You guys, spesial thanx to Hydro, seems to be on the right track! And for now I wil agree with Kumaran, pulsed brute force plate cell is the way to go!
I have also purchaseed an old Audi to experiment with..... So I'll during the weekend if I manage to put my new cell together an put it in my car.... :-\
J@H
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 30, 2008, 16:28:06 pm
Steve; I do not understand why you have a problem with the use of KOH, it does oly benefit our goal!
Lower resistance = less heat + works as anti frees in the winter.... (mebe global warming in the end fixes this but in the mean time...)
Kumaran; I am most impressed with your efficiency of above 90% do you have the numbers or vid some place? I have ben working on the C-cell from overynity.com to understand more. And indeed I wil say I have!
You guys, spesial thanx to Hydro, seems to be on the right track! And for now I wil agree with Kumaran, pulsed brute force plate cell is the way to go!
I have also purchaseed an old Audi to experiment with..... So I'll during the weekend if I manage to put my new cell together an put it in my car.... :-\
J@H
Hi and welcome snoopy,
For me, it is very simple. Stan didnt use KOH. It seems possible to do it without. Chemicals is preventing the "special"proces that uses volts, instead of current.
Kumaran is doing a great job with his WFC and electrolysis, old style.
Snoopy, place some pics of your setup, so we can have a sneak peak. Its always nice to see what others have in there setups.
br Steve
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 30, 2008, 23:36:49 pm
Her is som bad videos, and coments from my side.. I do not have the TV host in me..
Tryed with PWM, doing nothing good without coils and so on....
J@H
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on January 31, 2008, 05:46:25 am
HI J@H & Steve,
I have completed testing on my series cell and now waiting to put into test car. I manage to get test car but need to do some repair.
For reference : 1) http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/kumaran/Electrolysis/8_plate_series_cell (http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/kumaran/Electrolysis/8_plate_series_cell) 2) http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/kumaran/Electrolysis/13_plate_series_cell (http://oupower.com/index.php?dir=_Other_Peoples_Projects/kumaran/Electrolysis/13_plate_series_cell)
I saw some of your videos and you made submerged cell. The gas production vs input watt? Go for series cell if you need higher gas output for the same amount of power. Do not judge the actual amount of gas produced by seeing the gas bubbles flowing out of plate. Do proper gas output measurement and compared with power consumption.
Title: Re: 16 plates cell project by Kumaran
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 19, 2008, 23:42:40 pm
Very sweet cell Kumaran. Thanks for posting the link to your photos.