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Title: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 05, 2009, 20:18:27 pm
Hi,

As you have seen, i made a new section on the forum for the Geet technology.
Here is my voyage on that. Here are the first pictures.
They are of my new power generator. It seems to have the good old honda engine as you see on all those cheap gen.sets....
I am very positive surprised how smooth this engine runs.
It also consumes not much petrol too.
Its a 2.2kW generator max.
Single phase 230v.

Steve


 
Title: GOALS of Geet project
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 05, 2009, 21:02:48 pm
My projectgoals are:

1. MAKE A WORKING GEET THAT SAVES AT LEAST 50% PETROL.
2. MAKE A WORKING GEET RUNNING ON 5 TILL 10% USED OIL AND WATER
3. MAKE A WORKING GEET RUNNING ON HYDROGEN / OXYGEN FROM MY WFC
4. PROVE THE MAGNETIC FIELD AND SEE IF IT IS A PULSING FIELD
5. CREATE ELECTRICITY FROM THE GEET REACTOR
6. MAKE A WORKING CLOSED LOOP FROM EXHAUST TO INTAKE (PETROL OR HHO)
7. MAKE A SELFSUSTAINING SETUP WITH WHATEVER MEANS OR FUEL. (PROB.WATER AND HHO)
    (and leave some extra energy for example lightbulbs)
8. PROVE THAT IT MAKES SINGLE ATOMS OR IONS OF THE GASSES. IN CASE OF HHO, IT SHOULD BE H + H + O

If any of you have suggestions, please let me know...

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 05, 2009, 21:25:16 pm
Where to start?

Well, i think i need to start with the schematic given by Paul Pantone himself or the Naresh plans.
I also gonna use the magnetic schematic and rod details of Naresh.

Keys for succes:
1. Use the right metals/materials, like Steel or soft iron. The key is to get a magnetic field.
1a. The inner side of the tubes MUST be seamless. They must be smooth like a baby skin.Like the rod.
2. Magnetic poles must be set right from the tubes and rod. All tubes/rods we buy already have a north and south pole.
3. The vacuum must be right. No leaking there allowed.
4. Right size and shape of rod / reactor  vs choice of fuel. Rods function= venturi
4a. Rodsize for Hydrogen propane etc: like 1 till 2 inches long.
4b. Reaction chamber lenght: 0.5 inch till 1 inch longer then the length of the rod.
5. Cold fuel in stead of warm fuel
6. Hot reactor tube. Insulation to keep heat inside.
7. Keep the rod dry. No wet fuel.Just dry vapour.






Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 06, 2009, 07:05:33 am
I say it will not work. Plenty of time to Prove me wrong.. Meanwhile.. Hoax.

Perhaps this will motivate you to hurry and get it working, I sure hope so, because i want the results as bad as you...

; ' ; One Google of
Paul Pantone Will Pop up the fact it is a Hoax. It is labeled a Hoax all over the internet which is why i say, It probably is. However, This could be the way Technology is controlled. WHICH, is why I also want your results, I'm curiose Who the LIAR here is...

Paul Pantone, Or The Internet...


 
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 06, 2009, 07:07:47 am
I say it will not work. Plenty of time to Prove me wrong.. Meanwhile.. Hoax.

Perhaps this will motivate you to hurry and get it working, I sure hope so, because i want the results as bad as you...

Ofc it will work .

Ive seen normal people make it work .

If you cant make it work , you officially suck .
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 06, 2009, 07:11:20 am
I say it will not work. Plenty of time to Prove me wrong.. Meanwhile.. Hoax.

Perhaps this will motivate you to hurry and get it working, I sure hope so, because i want the results as bad as you...

Ofc it will work .

Ive seen normal people make it work .

If you cant make it work , you officially suck .

I'll Hold you to that...

Btw,, If stevie can not get it to work, I seriously doubt anybody can! The dude is Bright!
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 06, 2009, 09:43:04 am
HOax or not a Hoax. Thats the question....
At least i see lots of builds on the net.
In how far it really works..........
Just lets find out.

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 06, 2009, 10:24:55 am
Or just maybe he is a bad mannered business man and tricked some people which gave him a "hoax" reputation...

That does not have anything to do with his technology which always seemed interesting and logical to me.

So Internet is probably right in one sense  and for a fact there are hundreds if not thousnads of people out there who have gotten it working. Even lots of farmers in France and JL Naudin is no blockhead.... He even ran on 95% water.

It does work and we should all integrate this tech(modified I suggest) into a 100% water engine. I have four key techs that I will use in my trials later(HHO, dry steam, GEET(Umila), Laser). Combination is always key.


I say it will not work. Plenty of time to Prove me wrong.. Meanwhile.. Hoax.

Perhaps this will motivate you to hurry and get it working, I sure hope so, because i want the results as bad as you...

; ' ; One Google of
Paul Pantone Will Pop up the fact it is a Hoax. It is labeled a Hoax all over the internet which is why i say, It probably is. However, This could be the way Technology is controlled. WHICH, is why I also want your results, I'm curiose Who the LIAR here is...

Paul Pantone, Or The Internet...
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2009, 17:42:03 pm
Well, In my Previous post i should have included. Lines like this makes me wonder about whats really going on.

"His wife owns rights to his technology, She Turned Him in." How stupid is that? Found this on internet.
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2009, 17:57:38 pm
I just saw an article on the 'net, yesterday, where Pantone was running an engine on "Mountain Dew", the soda, but, stated you still need a little gasoline added to the mix.

  It was a video, and I can't view them  ::)
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2009, 19:47:09 pm
Well, In my Previous post i should have included. Lines like this makes me wonder about whats really going on.

"His wife owns rights to his technology, She Turned Him in." How stupid is that? Found this on internet.

If you have seen the pictures of Paul's mouth with all those infections, and nobody to help him in that jail, then YES.......a good reason for a deforce, i would say...
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2009, 19:55:37 pm

Project update:

1. powergenerator dismanteld. I took the fueltank, the carb and exhaust off.
2. i got brass T-pieces of 1 inch inner.
3. I got pieces that makes 1 inch into 0.5 inch
4. i got me 2 tubes. 1 piece of 30cm Steel 1 inch widt, seamless, type EN10255
                             1 piece of 42cm steel 0.5 inch widt, seamless type EN10255

Still need the needle aka most inner rod.
Still need a compass
Still need 1 inch and 0.5 inch tool to make the thread around the tubes....Cannot find them anywhere here in Karlskrona....GAUSS??????
And of course, i need to make flansch with pipe on the intake and exhaust sides...

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2009, 21:00:19 pm
Go visit me and I can help you. :)
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2009, 21:27:45 pm
Paul has said repeatedly in his recent videos that he is moving his operations/classes/promos from US to Europe, mainly near Stevie in NL.

GEETs supposed to be big in France, some of the commercial derivatives are ecopra, SPAD, etc.

Can't wait to see your results Stevie. Keep it up!

PS: The key to a successful GEET (plasma ring between rod and inner pipe) is still a secret, not yet revealed by Paul. But depends on several variables such as rod length, diameter, clearance, etc..
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2009, 22:25:04 pm
According to the ecopra website, if you build the unit, you have to PHONE them, with all the specifics, and they will then tell you how long and the dia. of that inner rod.

  Sounds like pretty specific info is needed, to get the right ingredients, to match up. ???
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2009, 22:30:21 pm
Go visit me and I can help you. :)

Hi Gauss. So you have a metalshop at yr service? Welding, cutting and thread cutters, like 1 and 0.5 inch?
We had plans to meet anyway, if all things went well here..
I have the genset here.

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2009, 22:51:06 pm
Paul has said repeatedly in his recent videos that he is moving his operations/classes/promos from US to Europe, mainly near Stevie in NL.

GEETs supposed to be big in France, some of the commercial derivatives are ecopra, SPAD, etc.

Can't wait to see your results Stevie. Keep it up!

PS: The key to a successful GEET (plasma ring between rod and inner pipe) is still a secret, not yet revealed by Paul. But depends on several variables such as rod length, diameter, clearance, etc..

Yes, there seems to be some variables. As far as i have seen in all found info, the rod is working like a venturi.
That way the molecules of the fuel accelerate to the speed of sound. Thats needed to achieve ionization of the fuel.

So, you need a seamless innertube. No welding residu's insite are allowed.
I use a pretty thick tube. Keeps it strait.
The smaller the gap between innertube and rod, the more acceleration of particles you get, the better.
The smaller the gap between innertube and rod, the less volume of fuel and air you get and the engine doesnt run anymore.......
The smaller the gap between innertube and rod, the easier the vacuum sucks the rod to the intake and leaves the magnetic field....

So, whats the best rod? I think you must make up yr mind on which fuel you wanna run the engine.
There are some tricks the determine with help of compass after the first testrun, how long the new rod must be.

I think that if you have a tube that is capable of easy being magnetised by the free electrons of whatever they come from, then you have more freedom in gapspace.

Also a very smooth rod is helpfull. It should spin inside....
Then it creates a magnetic field and that we can measure, is it...
There should also be a way of measuring current to prove the set is doing ok.
The only thing i have problems with the is the idea of pointing the geet reactor to the north or south pole of the earth...
Last thing that i think would be helpfull, is the keep the reactor FAR away from the engine bobine and from the alternator/powergen part. This, because their magnetic fields can work counterwise.

All above is theory of course, til proven otherwise.










Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 07, 2009, 22:58:54 pm
Maybe there is a math calculation?
Something for calculation of the venturi acceleration within carburators?


Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 08, 2009, 12:50:18 pm
Yes, I have friends shops around here with all tools ready to help you if needed. Just give me a few days notice to arrange things, I will probably be back here on Wednesday and then any day is ok. I would suggest to use the vertical reactor anyway, seems more easy.

Go visit me and I can help you. :)

Hi Gauss. So you have a metalshop at yr service? Welding, cutting and thread cutters, like 1 and 0.5 inch?
We had plans to meet anyway, if all things went well here..
I have the genset here.

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 09, 2009, 15:55:22 pm
If you do not know this yet, there's a pretty good instruction list how to assemble the thing at http://www.geet.nl/free-geet-plans.php
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 09, 2009, 22:35:55 pm
If you do not know this yet, there's a pretty good instruction list how to assemble the thing at http://www.geet.nl/free-geet-plans.php

Thanks for the tip. I have seen that site and its a good one with lots of good info.

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 10, 2009, 17:55:27 pm
Progress report:

Today i send my Geet parts to Gauss. He will make me some parts for what i dont have the tools for...(yet).
With some luck i will have them back at the end of this week or maybe next week.

Keep you updated!

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on August 24, 2009, 16:53:28 pm
Gauss says that the parts will be ready this week.
The engine is ready for them!

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 05, 2009, 17:06:21 pm
Thanks to Gauss, i got some parts for my Geet setup.
Because i still needed some other parts for the setup, i went to my metalshop yesterday.
After some talking to my old and wise friend of the shop, he said that he had made many heat exchangers in his life..The guy is 52. He showed me many designs and drawings. Very very  nice stuff. So, he asked me what i really wanted and so we started drawing!
Its very nice and productive when creative people meet and talk in detail! Good things comes out from there. Well, long story short: The new designed Geet aka vortex heatexchanger will be made by a professional welder/cutter/metalworker and will be deliverd next week.
Inclusive steel rods in 2 sizes.


Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 05, 2009, 22:26:29 pm
Stevie ,

make public on ionization a nicely illustrated BIG motor "THAT WORKS" geet guide , with pantone phone dimentions and everything .

And I'll ship you a FREE MASTER OSCILLATOR , assembled with love in a metal box with all the military switches I "was" gonna buy but dropped the idea , besides for mine ofc ;D .... Good for life , everything will be exposed for you  Stevie .

A total value of HUGE and EXCLUSIVE for only the most trusted ...
 
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2009, 00:51:51 am
Well Dankie,

I am at a stage that i havent ran any geet, so i cannot comment on anything on that.
I have made my mind up on ideas from others and putting that into this geet setup of mine.
If it really makes some kind of plasma and if it works with my waterfuelcell, then who knows...

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2009, 21:40:10 pm
Hi everyone! You now have another crazy South African on your forums!  ;D

From my research it seems that the Geet is a Autothermal Reactor with a 'magnet?' thrown in as an unknown.

Here a link to Renault's plasma research, which I still have to read:
http://www.cder.dz/a2h2/Medias/Download/Proc%20PDF/PARALLEL%20SESSIONS/%5BS06%5D%20Production%20-%20Hydrocarbons/14-06-06/162.pdf (http://www.cder.dz/a2h2/Medias/Download/Proc%20PDF/PARALLEL%20SESSIONS/%5BS06%5D%20Production%20-%20Hydrocarbons/14-06-06/162.pdf)

Now back to established tech:

Autothermal Reformation is a combination of Steam Reformation and Partial Oxidation:

Steam Reformation is the reacting of a Hydrocarbon with steam to produce Syngas.
HC + H20 + heat = H2 + CO (CO burns)
This reaction is endothermic (needs heat) and produces H2 and CO in a ratio of around 2.5 to 1.

Partial Oxidation is the reacting of a Hydrocarbon with Oxygen to produce Syngas.
HC + O2 = H2 + CO + heat
This reaction is exothermic (produces heat) and produces H2 and CO in a ratio of around 1 to 1.

The fact that one reaction is exothermic and the other is endothermic is very important to the use of this basic technology in a car:
Heat and temperature are two different things.
There is plenty of waste heat in a car exhaust, but the exhaust temperature is slightly low for the Steam Reformation reaction.
The partial oxidation reaction increases the temperature.

There is also Pyrolysis of the fuel in the Geet:
The fuel is gassified by heat; which is a known way to improve economy.

Its my considered opinion that the Geet can be improved by nickel plating the inner tube and magnet:
Nickel acts as a catayst in steam reformation.

Also; I think the use of an intercooler will increase the volume of gas that gets into the cylinder; improving power.
The cooler gasses will also be less suspectable to pre-ignition and prevent overheating.

I feel that the bubbler is just the simplest method of getting a 2 to 1 mixture of water and fuel into the engine.
There are better, but more complex, ways of getting this water/hydrocarbon mix into the engine if you are interested.

Good luck Steve.
I see no reason why this should not work for a genset.

If you plan to use this at home you can use some more of the waste heat to pre-heat the water going to your geyser.
 :)
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2009, 23:43:52 pm
Hi everyone! You now have another crazy South African on your forums!  ;D

From my research it seems that the Geet is a Autothermal Reactor with a 'magnet?' thrown in as an unknown.

Here a link to Renault's plasma research, which I still have to read:
http://www.cder.dz/a2h2/Medias/Download/Proc%20PDF/PARALLEL%20SESSIONS/%5BS06%5D%20Production%20-%20Hydrocarbons/14-06-06/162.pdf (http://www.cder.dz/a2h2/Medias/Download/Proc%20PDF/PARALLEL%20SESSIONS/%5BS06%5D%20Production%20-%20Hydrocarbons/14-06-06/162.pdf)

Now back to established tech:

Autothermal Reformation is a combination of Steam Reformation and Partial Oxidation:

Steam Reformation is the reacting of a Hydrocarbon with steam to produce Syngas.
HC + H20 + heat = H2 + CO (CO burns)
This reaction is endothermic (needs heat) and produces H2 and CO in a ratio of around 2.5 to 1.

Partial Oxidation is the reacting of a Hydrocarbon with Oxygen to produce Syngas.
HC + O2 = H2 + CO + heat
This reaction is exothermic (produces heat) and produces H2 and CO in a ratio of around 1 to 1.

The fact that one reaction is exothermic and the other is endothermic is very important to the use of this basic technology in a car:
Heat and temperature are two different things.
There is plenty of waste heat in a car exhaust, but the exhaust temperature is slightly low for the Steam Reformation reaction.
The partial oxidation reaction increases the temperature.

There is also Pyrolysis of the fuel in the Geet:
The fuel is gassified by heat; which is a known way to improve economy.

Its my considered opinion that the Geet can be improved by nickel plating the inner tube and magnet:
Nickel acts as a catayst in steam reformation.

Also; I think the use of an intercooler will increase the volume of gas that gets into the cylinder; improving power.
The cooler gasses will also be less suspectable to pre-ignition and prevent overheating.

I feel that the bubbler is just the simplest method of getting a 2 to 1 mixture of water and fuel into the engine.
There are better, but more complex, ways of getting this water/hydrocarbon mix into the engine if you are interested.

Good luck Steve.
I see no reason why this should not work for a genset.

If you plan to use this at home you can use some more of the waste heat to pre-heat the water going to your geyser.
 :)

Hi Logic and welcome here.
So you are from SA, like Wouter. Maybe we should continue in Dutch... ;)

I am glad you think a Geet will work on my gen set.
Your explanation is a nice one. As fas as i have learned from Paul P. there have been many professors trying to find out why it was working, and nobody could really explain what is happening.
So lets wait and see what my test will bring..

Steve

Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2009, 23:51:30 pm
Well Dankie,

I am at a stage that i havent ran any geet, so i cannot comment on anything on that.
I have made my mind up on ideas from others and putting that into this geet setup of mine.
If it really makes some kind of plasma and if it works with my waterfuelcell, then who knows...

Steve

I know it will take time Steve .

I want this for a small car engine , a big GEET , I dont have enough tools or a garage to start messing with this . So I am hiring you with an goodie . You give me something goodie give I you something goodie , and everybody is happy , including a more than the others happy and proud Stevie :)
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 14, 2009, 17:08:27 pm
Parts are finisched.
Here are some pictures.

Still need a bubler and some hoses, but that is the easy part.

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 15, 2009, 01:14:20 am
Good stuff Steve!  :)

I look forward to testing
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve, first run
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2009, 14:52:42 pm
Hi folks,

Today was the big day.
All components took much time to make it all fit. Vacuumleaks are killing.
The engine ran after 2 pulls on the powercord!!!!!!! Just out of the box! :)
That was very encouraging. 8)
I started with a 50% water and 50% petrol mix.
First tests proved a double running time compared to the standard carburator setup.
The bubler got cold by the vacuum.
There was clearly a magnetic field.
Next test will be used motoroil and water. See what that brings.
Still need to do some tuning on the rod.

I made some video's, so go have a look.

Steve

Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2009, 15:34:44 pm

 Nice going, Steve.

 I'm looking for an update on RPM's, and if you run the generator under a load, to see how well the GEET performs. When you get to it, of course.  ;D
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2009, 18:11:56 pm
Excellent Stevie .

Beats a hho bubbler anyday of the week .

What if hho was used also ? Perhaps a gas processor pantone style for added power ?

I'm excited about this one Stevie , very nice to see how easily you did it .
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2009, 18:16:16 pm
That looks awesome Steve, I don't really understand the Geet, but if you are getting it working then that is fantastic, maybe I will have to learn and build one :P

Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2009, 19:39:31 pm

Very nice Geet that is Steve, i often wonder where you get energy to do so many projects at the same time.

I like the clean welding job.. Can see that the welding job is done of a person that have welded before..

Now you can get a better idea how this work, and improve it.. may your work be successful

I had a accident a while ago, and is still in healing prosess, but i am looking forward to continue with my "hydrogen-hobby"

Kind regards
     
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 19, 2009, 20:06:38 pm
steve,
awesome job man.. glad to see you have got it operational.. i must criticize 1 of your videos... the one thats says proof of magnetic field..   my reasoning is the generator sitting in the same region of the test... wouldnt the core of the generator be able to manipulate magnetic fields...  i would use the compass on the other side of the generator away from the fuel system and see if you get change in the needle.
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2009, 11:27:53 am
steve,
awesome job man.. glad to see you have got it operational.. i must criticize 1 of your videos... the one thats says proof of magnetic field..   my reasoning is the generator sitting in the same region of the test... wouldnt the core of the generator be able to manipulate magnetic fields...  i would use the compass on the other side of the generator away from the fuel system and see if you get change in the needle.

Hmmm, i understand yr question. However, i can tell you for sure that the needle of the compas was really pointing towards the geet processor and not somewhere else.

But i will do that small test on the next run for you.

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2009, 11:31:23 am

 Nice going, Steve.

 I'm looking for an update on RPM's, and if you run the generator under a load, to see how well the GEET performs. When you get to it, of course.  ;D

RPM's are difficult to measure for me. Not sure how to do that.
I watch the 230V meter and thats what this generator should produce.If the revs are too low, the voltmeter is also low.
I will find me a heater of around 2kw and put that as a load on the gen, next times.

Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2009, 11:33:58 am
Excellent Stevie .

Beats a hho bubbler anyday of the week .

What if hho was used also ? Perhaps a gas processor pantone style for added power ?

I'm excited about this one Stevie , very nice to see how easily you did it .

That is the reason for me to do this.
Combining my waterfuelcell with that geet processor.
But its a learning process. First i need to learn how this geet is working.
When i understand the principles, i will tune it more on the final fuel that i want to use at the end.



Steve


Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2009, 11:37:42 am

Very nice Geet that is Steve, i often wonder where you get energy to do so many projects at the same time.

I like the clean welding job.. Can see that the welding job is done of a person that have welded before..

Now you can get a better idea how this work, and improve it.. may your work be successful

I had a accident a while ago, and is still in healing prosess, but i am looking forward to continue with my "hydrogen-hobby"

Kind regards
     

Thanks man. I am also wondering how i do this all. All this must lead to my dream. Running an engine/powergen 100% on water and having power left to use in my house.

Good to hear from you again, btw. Accidents are not nice. Well, at least your brain is still working.. ;)

Steve


Title: Re: Geet project of Steve: rod details
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2009, 12:47:15 pm
An important element of the geet reactor or vortex heat exchanger, is the innerrod.

It must develop a magnetic field, is the theory.

Here is my rod after the first run.
The video shows me moving a compas over the rod. Very interesting!

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2009, 14:54:54 pm

 Very interesting, indeed.

  Does the rod show any signs of it actually spinning, inside the device ??

  Looks like the rod is creating turbulence on both ends ??   I thought the North end, or, the inlet end, was supposed to be bullet shaped ???

  Nice job showing all aspects of you device, Steve.  Thanks for taking the time to do this.

  Harold
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2009, 14:57:54 pm
Quote
RPM's are difficult to measure for me. Not sure how to do that.
I watch the 230V meter and thats what this generator should produce.If the revs are too low, the voltmeter is also low.
I will find me a heater of around 2kw and put that as a load on the gen, next times.

http://www.craftacraft.com/small_engine_tools_tachometer
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2009, 20:24:21 pm
Congrats for a great start with GEET!


Next step: HHO(easy one)
Second step: Pressure boiler(100% water running) with 5 bars pressure - dangerous step must be done!
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 20, 2009, 23:00:53 pm
I have to update my msn, i don't have the time right now..

I have got Burried Under 10 Books Stevie! Sold the bug! I will be taking the test in December! I am Focused only on digging my way out of these 10 books.

Keep up the Grate work, As i am drowning in the Paper Sea..
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2009, 23:18:25 pm
Congrats Steve!

This is probably old news to you:
http://www.geet.nl/newsarticle.php?id=98 (http://www.geet.nl/newsarticle.php?id=98)

Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 21, 2009, 23:35:12 pm
Thanks Logic.
I already know that site and the yahoo group. They are helpfull and the moderator is very nice.

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2009, 12:23:08 pm
Thanks Logic.
I already know that site and the yahoo group. They are helpfull and the moderator is very nice.

Steve

Perhaps the info on pipe and rod lengths and thicknesses should be posted here too Steve?
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 22, 2009, 13:23:28 pm
Thanks Logic.
I already know that site and the yahoo group. They are helpfull and the moderator is very nice.

Steve

Perhaps the info on pipe and rod lengths and thicknesses should be posted here too Steve?

I had made a general GEET chapter for that kind of info, Logic.
This here are just my findings from my tests.

Steve

Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2009, 18:37:01 pm
Found some hours to run geet tests.

Fuel: 50% used motor oil and 50%  water.
NO RESULTS. Meaning, it didnt run whatsoever. I added some petrol and then it ran. Hmmmmmmm. Not good, is it.

Fuel: 50% used motor oil and 50% water and 2.5litre HHO p/minute
Engine ran perfect! The engine actually ran on HHO. When i took the HHO, the engine stopped directly.

STUPID ME: i used a glas bubler for the Geet tests. Well, if you put HHO in the bubler, like i did, you take a risc. I knew the risc. And i learned it again. When i pulled the HHO of and the engine stalled, i put back the HHO and pulled the cord.....
It blew up the bublers toplit and some of the glas broke as well. Big bang.Stupid wastspark didnt needed much time to ruine my 3 dollar bubbler.

Things i learned: Intake on bubler must be bigger then outlet bubler.
Use plastic jars.....doh....


Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2009, 18:59:29 pm
Found some hours to run geet tests.

Fuel: 50% used motor oil and 50%  water.
NO RESULTS. Meaning, it didnt run whatsoever. I added some petrol and then it ran. Hmmmmmmm. Not good, is it.

Fuel: 50% used motor oil and 50% water and 2.5litre HHO p/minute
Engine ran perfect! The engine actually ran on HHO. When i took the HHO, the engine stopped directly.

STUPID ME: i used a glas bubler for the Geet tests. Well, if you put HHO in the bubler, like i did, you take a risc. I knew the risc. And i learned it again. When i pulled the HHO of and the engine stalled, i put back the HHO and pulled the cord.....
It blew up the bublers toplit and some of the glas broke as well. Big bang.Stupid wastspark didnt needed much time to ruine my 3 dollar bubbler.

Things i learned: Intake on bubler must be bigger then outlet bubler.
Use plastic jars.....doh....


Steve
did you do any mods to the engine other than the geet .
when you said it ran on hho only ,did you put a load on it ?was the rpm or the voltage the same ?
Thx
Najman
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2009, 19:07:46 pm
Found some hours to run geet tests.

Fuel: 50% used motor oil and 50%  water.
NO RESULTS. Meaning, it didnt run whatsoever. I added some petrol and then it ran. Hmmmmmmm. Not good, is it.

Fuel: 50% used motor oil and 50% water and 2.5litre HHO p/minute
Engine ran perfect! The engine actually ran on HHO. When i took the HHO, the engine stopped directly.

STUPID ME: i used a glas bubler for the Geet tests. Well, if you put HHO in the bubler, like i did, you take a risc. I knew the risc. And i learned it again. When i pulled the HHO of and the engine stalled, i put back the HHO and pulled the cord.....
It blew up the bublers toplit and some of the glas broke as well. Big bang.Stupid wastspark didnt needed much time to ruine my 3 dollar bubbler.

Things i learned: Intake on bubler must be bigger then outlet bubler.
Use plastic jars.....doh....


Steve
did you do any mods to the engine other than the geet .
when you said it ran on hho only ,did you put a load on it ?was the rpm or the voltage the same ?
Thx
Najman

No other mods then the geet, Najman.
RPMs were like 3000. Volts on the meter of the generator where 230V
So, yes. A geet makes more rpms on same HHO.But dont tell anyone...lol

I plugged  the wfc into the powergen, but that story is for another time.

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2009, 20:15:12 pm
Found some hours to run geet tests.

Fuel: 50% used motor oil and 50%  water.
NO RESULTS. Meaning, it didnt run whatsoever. I added some petrol and then it ran. Hmmmmmmm. Not good, is it.

Fuel: 50% used motor oil and 50% water and 2.5litre HHO p/minute
Engine ran perfect! The engine actually ran on HHO. When i took the HHO, the engine stopped directly.

STUPID ME: i used a glas bubler for the Geet tests. Well, if you put HHO in the bubler, like i did, you take a risc. I knew the risc. And i learned it again. When i pulled the HHO of and the engine stalled, i put back the HHO and pulled the cord.....
It blew up the bublers toplit and some of the glas broke as well. Big bang.Stupid wastspark didnt needed much time to ruine my 3 dollar bubbler.

Things i learned: Intake on bubler must be bigger then outlet bubler.
Use plastic jars.....doh....


Steve
did you do any mods to the engine other than the geet .
when you said it ran on hho only ,did you put a load on it ?was the rpm or the voltage the same ?
Thx
Najman

No other mods then the geet, Najman.
RPMs were like 3000. Volts on the meter of the generator where 230V
So, yes. A geet makes more rpms on same HHO.But dont tell anyone...lol

I plugged  the wfc into the powergen, but that story is for another time.

Steve
damnit that would have been my question. hho generated with the generator itself :D

but awesome results anyway, will it run without the motor oil?
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2009, 20:17:42 pm
This GEET concept and how tricky it is to duplicate reminds me of cold fusion.  C.F. is also extremely tricky and contingent upon the finest workmanship that can be had.  Isn't it interesting that those industrial giants (TRW, UTRC, FMC, IBM, et al) could do these things and yet don't want to.  That baffles me no end.
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2009, 20:39:15 pm
one thing i learned about bubblers is to have the water level as high to the top as possible, so when it flashes back there is not much to burn, mine doesn't even blow the plastic cap off when it flashes back (... well, it did the FIRST time, when i had less water in it ...)
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 23, 2009, 22:56:27 pm
Found some hours to run geet tests.

Fuel: 50% used motor oil and 50%  water.
NO RESULTS. Meaning, it didnt run whatsoever. I added some petrol and then it ran. Hmmmmmmm. Not good, is it.

Fuel: 50% used motor oil and 50% water and 2.5litre HHO p/minute
Engine ran perfect! The engine actually ran on HHO. When i took the HHO, the engine stopped directly.

STUPID ME: i used a glas bubler for the Geet tests. Well, if you put HHO in the bubler, like i did, you take a risc. I knew the risc. And i learned it again. When i pulled the HHO of and the engine stalled, i put back the HHO and pulled the cord.....
It blew up the bublers toplit and some of the glas broke as well. Big bang.Stupid wastspark didnt needed much time to ruine my 3 dollar bubbler.

Things i learned: Intake on bubler must be bigger then outlet bubler.
Use plastic jars.....doh....


Steve
did you do any mods to the engine other than the geet .
when you said it ran on hho only ,did you put a load on it ?was the rpm or the voltage the same ?
Thx
Najman

No other mods then the geet, Najman.
RPMs were like 3000. Volts on the meter of the generator where 230V
So, yes. A geet makes more rpms on same HHO.But dont tell anyone...lol

I plugged  the wfc into the powergen, but that story is for another time.

Steve
damnit that would have been my question. hho generated with the generator itself :D

but awesome results anyway, will it run without the motor oil?

Yes, it runs also without oil, haithair.
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2009, 04:52:12 am
Thanks to You stevie,,, Now I Truly Believe The geet works! So, you've confirmed it to work and i said i wouldn't believe it unless i seen you do it, And you've done it. So the geet is not a Myth!

But, Does the Geet Also work with Oil Vapor? What is the Geet Claim? Fill me in on that..

Now the Question is, what are you going to add to it. I will be keeping my eye on you!
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2009, 10:50:03 am
Thanks to You stevie,,, Now I Truly Believe The geet works! So, you've confirmed it to work and i said i wouldn't believe it unless i seen you do it, And you've done it. So the geet is not a Myth!

But, Does the Geet Also work with Oil Vapor? What is the Geet Claim? Fill me in on that..

Now the Question is, what are you going to add to it. I will be keeping my eye on you!

Yes,it seems to work with a film of oil around watervapours. I think i had too much oil in my bubler, yesterday.
Well, i need to make me a new bubler and try it again.
I also got advise to use a little bit salt in the water....

Of course you keep an eye on me. I dont expect anything less. ;)


Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2009, 12:38:30 pm
Interesting stuff Steve!  :)

So:
50/50 oil & water did not work untill you added 2.5L/m HHO.
The genset runs on HHO alone.
You then made a mixture with much less oil and it worked on that.

Questions plz:
When you say it runs on 2.5L/m HHO alone; do you mean through the geet, or direct to the intake?
Did you bubble the HHO into the mixture of water/oil or just feed it in above the mixture?
What is the new ratio of oil/water salt that works without the bubbler?
What type of load is the genset able to pull on the different mixtures?  ie: how much power does it put out for each different mix?
Do you have different rod lengths for different fuels?

One must eventually start feeling like the slave of a whole lot of people you never met when the questions start coming thick and fast like this!?  :)
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2009, 12:58:07 pm
Interesting stuff Steve!  :)

So:
50/50 oil & water did not work untill you added 2.5L/m HHO.
The genset runs on HHO alone.
You then made a mixture with much less oil and it worked on that.

Questions plz:
When you say it runs on 2.5L/m HHO alone; do you mean through the geet, or direct to the intake?
Did you bubble the HHO into the mixture of water/oil or just feed it in above the mixture?
What is the new ratio of oil/water salt that works without the bubbler?
What type of load is the genset able to pull on the different mixtures?  ie: how much power does it put out for each different mix?
Do you have different rod lengths for different fuels?

One must eventually start feeling like the slave of a whole lot of people you never met when the questions start coming thick and fast like this!?  :)

HHO went tru the geet.
If you do i after the geet, you need more HHO.
I bubled the HHO tru the the oil/water mix and i did a run without water/oil.
New ratio? I have to find that out...
I did my last tests with a 12 inch long rod which i used with petrol/water mix.
I als have a 2 inch rod here, which should work with water only.......but thats another test.
I first wanna run on used motor oil.
Then i ll go to the only water modus.

I dont feel like an answering machine. I just hope it starts a reaction by you guys to start build replications, so we can crack this quicker.

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2009, 14:50:45 pm
haha sorry, i used my crazy-free-energy-experiments-budget on the last device already :D
also not really a mechanic, but i hope to see more from you and from other replicators ! :)
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 24, 2009, 23:58:34 pm
HHO went tru the geet.
If you do i after the geet, you need more HHO.
I bubled the HHO tru the the oil/water mix and i did a run without water/oil.
New ratio? I have to find that out...
I did my last tests with a 12 inch long rod which i used with petrol/water mix.
I als have a 2 inch rod here, which should work with water only.......but thats another test.
I first wanna run on used motor oil.
Then i ll go to the only water modus.

I dont feel like an answering machine. I just hope it starts a reaction by you guys to start build replications, so we can crack this quicker.

Steve

Thx Steve (aka Answering machine!  ;D)

Very interesting about the HHO through the Geet.
As I understand you the there was no water or oil vapour going into the engine because the bubbler was empty at the time.
It means that the Geet is changing the H and/or O in some way.
Perhaps H2 is being split into Monoatomic H or something even more exotic!  Who knows!?

Does the oil, water, HHO mix add more power to the genset than straight HHO-Geet?

So decreasing the amount of oil enabled you to start the genset.
What ratio of oil to water would you guess you where using?
You have any info on the salt thing? why it works?

If you are going to experiment with old engine oil; perhaps tossing a magnet into the bubbler, to collect metal particles, will increase the life of the genset engine.

I got a 10HP engine thats almost brand new given to me because the carburator was missing.  :)
I have managed to get one lathe and the milling machine accessable...
I have no idea how to measure power from the engine though. (very important: there is a huge difference between running and doing usefull work!)
Hope that makes you and Dankie feel better!  ;D


Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 25, 2009, 09:22:57 am
Logic,

That would be a nice project. Make a geet on the 10hp engine and feed it with whathever fuel.
The amount of HHO was less with the geet then without the geet.
At least the geet is making more volume of the gas and thats very needed with HHO.
And maybe the geet is also transforming the gas.
Dont forget that the wtarefuelcells are making steam as well. Nobody has only hydrogen and oxygen in the mix. All volts above 1.7 or so  makes steam. If the geet is transforming that steam into H and O, we gain.

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 25, 2009, 10:49:54 am
Very Smart Clever way of Explaining! You sound like a rocket scientist!

Just,, Keep up the great work, And most importantly, Have fun!
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 25, 2009, 17:21:00 pm
Hi Steve,
Great work!
You might want to add one of those Plasma Spark ideas on as well. to help with the water vapor.
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 26, 2009, 19:54:16 pm
www.aquapulser.com - at least they work!
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 28, 2009, 23:10:39 pm
Bad weekend with Geet tests. Learned what didnt work.
At the end, i ended up with a better bubler for petrol/water mix.
Also improved exhaust, i think......lol
I need to get me temp meter for high temps!
Any suggestions on that?

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2009, 00:16:45 am
You can buy laser thermometers for about $100, and they'll work at a distance, I'd like to get one, except for the cost... I don't need one that much!

You can also get temperature probes that plug into a multi-meter, we have a bunch of these in my engineering lab.
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2009, 14:49:20 pm
I found out that one of my multi meters has a temp probe and that probe works till 1000 degrees celcius...
That should do the trick... ;)

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 29, 2009, 14:56:13 pm
There ya go!
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2009, 15:29:38 pm
Finally i got some hours to do tests with my Geet baby.
Here are some of the findings:

12 inch rod: using petrol and petrol watermix
It runs. Rod got magnetic field and nice colors.
Savings on petrol around factor 2
Tried to use diesel and also used oil. Both didnt work.
Maybe i should have used the exhaust heat to warm the fuel, which i didnt.
Temp measured on the outertube: max. 220 degrees celcius

2 inch rod: using petrol and water.
It runs. Rod didnt color and small magnetic field.
Didnt measure consumption here.
Tried used oil and als diesel. Both didnt work.
Temp measured: around the outertube: max 300 degrees celcius

NON rod: using water and petrol. It runs good. On diesel and used oil it didnt.
Temp measured: around the outertube, same spot as always: Max. 360 degrees celcius.

Conclusion: rod length has impact on the outertube temperature.
Not sure if the rod is pulling the heat towards it self. The color marks on the tip of my long rod are blue..
It looks like my engine in comby with my geet runs better without the steel rods.

My goals are still not achieved. I wanted to run this powergenerator on an alternative fuel, like used oil and that didnt work.

More to come after some good nights of sleeping and thinking.

Steve



Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 03, 2009, 18:52:16 pm
Thx for the update Steve ,we appreciate .
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 04, 2009, 02:41:43 am
Finally i got some hours to do tests with my Geet baby.
Here are some of the findings:

12 inch rod: using petrol and petrol watermix
It runs. Rod got magnetic field and nice colors.
Savings on petrol around factor 2
Tried to use diesel and also used oil. Both didnt work.
Maybe i should have used the exhaust heat to warm the fuel, which i didnt.
Temp measured on the outertube: max. 220 degrees celcius

2 inch rod: using petrol and water.
It runs. Rod didnt color and small magnetic field.
Didnt measure consumption here.
Tried used oil and als diesel. Both didnt work.
Temp measured: around the outertube: max 300 degrees celcius

NON rod: using water and petrol. It runs good. On diesel and used oil it didnt.
Temp measured: around the outertube, same spot as always: Max. 360 degrees celcius.

Conclusion: rod length has impact on the outertube temperature.
Not sure if the rod is pulling the heat towards it self. The color marks on the tip of my long rod are blue..
It looks like my engine in comby with my geet runs better without the steel rods.

My goals are still not achieved. I wanted to run this powergenerator on an alternative fuel, like used oil and that didnt work.

More to come after some good nights of sleeping and thinking.

Steve

What Color is the Rod? Is it Blue? Is it Carbon Black? Is it Blue on one end, and not the other?  The Rod can tell you what is happening, "If you are a Black Smith."
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 04, 2009, 05:47:03 am
Thanks for testing and sharing.   It takes a tremendous amount of time and patience, not to mention turtlebucks.

Then again, we all can contribute something to the cause.   

Keep the info coming

Turtle
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 05, 2009, 12:25:26 pm
Thx Steve

Perhaps the geet has to be good and hot before switching over to diesel or oil.
Perhaps build a second bubbler so you can switch between fuels, with engine running, using taps/vaulves.

So as the rod length decreased the outer tube temp went up.
I think this is because less heat is being abzorbed by the inner tube.
Because the rod causes the gas molicules to speed up and collide with the tube surface more; absorbing more heat.
(Water absorbs heat better than almost anything else)

This restricion also means that the engine has to do more work sucking in the gas and may seem to run out of breath.
Work that gould be set to a usefull task.
When the rod was removed; the restriction was removed, which is why your genset was happiest.

I fear that your geet may just be pyrolysing/vapourising the fuel with very little Autothermal reformation going on.
The french are also using waste exhaust heat to pre boil the water before feeding it to  a geet.
I think this increases the amount of Steam Reformation that happens in the geet.

Another way of getting more heat into the intake gas, without the restriction is increasing surface area.
Finned, spiral, heat exchanger tube is available.
However; I would try a 'propeller' in stead of a rod to get the gass to spiral and thus to come into contact with the tube surface more.
You should see a small drop in outer tube temp if you try this.

Its possible that the geet was simply changing  your diatomic H2 to monatomic H+H which is why it ran on less H/2.
This in itself would be a valuble lesson:
You can use waste exhaust heat to get more out of your Hydrogen.  :)
Whats the metal catalyst for this again?

Hope that helps with your think Steve.
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 05, 2009, 22:52:35 pm
Thx Steve

Perhaps the geet has to be good and hot before switching over to diesel or oil.
Perhaps build a second bubbler so you can switch between fuels, with engine running, using taps/vaulves.

I tried that. I first make the geet as hot as i can with petrol, then i turn to oil or diesl. The issue is propably that i need to pre-heat the coil or diesel with an exhaust heater orso

So as the rod length decreased the outer tube temp went up.
I think this is because less heat is being abzorbed by the inner tube.
Because the rod causes the gas molicules to speed up and collide with the tube surface more; absorbing more heat.
(Water absorbs heat better than almost anything else)
I agree. It would make sense, but it is difficult to confirm this theory


This restricion also means that the engine has to do more work sucking in the gas and may seem to run out of breath.
Work that gould be set to a usefull task.
When the rod was removed; the restriction was removed, which is why your genset was happiest.
option here is to make a geet reactor with a bigger innertube with rod. That way i will have a bigger opening for the full. But not sure if that is the way for the needed fuell acceleration......mucho questions.

I fear that your geet may just be pyrolysing/vapourising the fuel with very little Autothermal reformation going on.
The french are also using waste exhaust heat to pre boil the water before feeding it to  a geet.
I think this increases the amount of Steam Reformation that happens in the geet.
I heard that a aluminium rod is an option when the reactor has a magnetic field. That way the rod can more easy rotate in the tube! Well, its worth to try.

Another way of getting more heat into the intake gas, without the restriction is increasing surface area.
Finned, spiral, heat exchanger tube is available.
However; I would try a 'propeller' in stead of a rod to get the gass to spiral and thus to come into contact with the tube surface more.
You should see a small drop in outer tube temp if you try this.
I have a good idea with making a propellor of a coppertube, that should vortex the intake of the geet...

Its possible that the geet was simply changing  your diatomic H2 to monatomic H+H which is why it ran on less H/2.
This in itself would be a valuble lesson:
You can use waste exhaust heat to get more out of your Hydrogen.  :)
Whats the metal catalyst for this again?
 I used a steel rod, if thats what you mean? The fun was that i used in that test where i got that good result with less HHO, a bubler filled with water and used oil. The HHO went thru that bubler into the Geet. I need to redo that test and see what did the trick. 

Hope that helps with your think Steve.
Yes, it does, Logic. Thanks!

Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 08, 2009, 17:15:04 pm
How do you keep the rod in the tube while allowing it to rotate Steve?

A rod idea:
Use a steel drill, with the unspiraled shank cut off, for a rod.
The spiral grooves will give swirl and less restriction.

Another idea for swirl:
http://www.energytransferinc.com/turbulators.html (http://www.energytransferinc.com/turbulators.html)
http://www.spiralturbobaffles.com/index.html (http://www.spiralturbobaffles.com/index.html)
http://www.flopro.com/Twister.htm (http://www.flopro.com/Twister.htm)
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 08, 2009, 20:41:31 pm
How do you keep the rod in the tube while allowing it to rotate Steve?

A rod idea:
Use a steel drill, with the unspiraled shank cut off, for a rod.
The spiral grooves will give swirl and less restriction.

Another idea for swirl:
http://www.energytransferinc.com/turbulators.html (http://www.energytransferinc.com/turbulators.html)
http://www.spiralturbobaffles.com/index.html (http://www.spiralturbobaffles.com/index.html)
http://www.flopro.com/Twister.htm (http://www.flopro.com/Twister.htm)

Thanks for tips!   :)
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 09, 2009, 12:17:14 pm
Thanks for tips!   :)

Pleasure Steve  :)
I hope the drill idea works.
The turbulator should be easy to make by twisting a thin steel strip inside a tube.

I still want to know how you keep the rod in the tube while allowing it to rotate plz??

Are you bubbling exhaust through your bubbler?
I think it is important to heat the oil water mixture so that you get more vapour of both and less air.
Also the exhaust should be primarily CO2 and H2O.
The CO2 may be reduced to CO by hot carbon in the geet... ;)
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 10, 2009, 10:40:45 am
Thanks for tips!   :)

Pleasure Steve  :)
I hope the drill idea works.
The turbulator should be easy to make by twisting a thin steel strip inside a tube.

I still want to know how you keep the rod in the tube while allowing it to rotate plz??

Are you bubbling exhaust through your bubbler?
I think it is important to heat the oil water mixture so that you get more vapour of both and less air.
Also the exhaust should be primarily CO2 and H2O.
The CO2 may be reduced to CO by hot carbon in the geet... ;)

Logic: i have drilled on both ends of the innertube a tiny hole all way thru the tube, exactly in the middle. I put a small very strong pin in there. That way i keep the rod in the innertube.
My connections go over the drilled hole, so they cannot leak..:-)
The pin is very tiny, so it isnot an obstruction for the airflow.

I havent got a fixed exhaust connection to my bubler. But i tried it by manual keeping the exhaust (hose on exhaust) by the bubler intake. That isnt such a good idea.
It would be better to use the exhaust heat to heat up the casing of the bubler.
In my case the bubler is from plastic, so no good idea. A metal bubler would be the better choice.

Maybe i have time to make that turbolater (propellor) :-)
I also wanna try aluminium rods........lightweight)

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 10, 2009, 18:33:57 pm
Logic: i have drilled on both ends of the innertube a tiny hole all way thru the tube, exactly in the middle. I put a small very strong pin in there. That way i keep the rod in the innertube.
My connections go over the drilled hole, so they cannot leak..:-)
The pin is very tiny, so it isnot an obstruction for the airflow.

Ah!...
Thx Steve

I havent got a fixed exhaust connection to my bubler. But i tried it by manual keeping the exhaust (hose on exhaust) by the bubler intake. That isnt such a good idea.
It would be better to use the exhaust heat to heat up the casing of the bubler.
In my case the bubler is from plastic, so no good idea. A metal bubler would be the better choice.

LOL!  :) Yes a melting bubbler and burned fingers cant be much fun.
Your exhaust gasses should primarily be CO2 and H2O (steam) and NOx
The gassifacation folks reduce CO2 and steam with red hot carbon.
Perhaps the geet can do the same, but the NOx is a problem.
It will be reduced too, to N2 and O2, but as you add more N2 with the air; you will end up with nothing but N2 eventually.
If it works at all!

Using exhaust heat to heat the mixture (ala Spad) is probably the best bet.

Maybe i have time to make that turbolater (propellor) :-)
I also wanna try aluminium rods........lightweight)

Do you have any literature on flowing water near a magnet, or on how fast flowing gasses can magnetise a steel rod?
This would go a long way to de mystifying the whole magnet/electric phenomonum.
I have not been able to find any.  :-\
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 10, 2009, 22:19:25 pm
Logic: i have drilled on both ends of the innertube a tiny hole all way thru the tube, exactly in the middle. I put a small very strong pin in there. That way i keep the rod in the innertube.
My connections go over the drilled hole, so they cannot leak..:-)
The pin is very tiny, so it isnot an obstruction for the airflow.

Ah!...
Thx Steve

I havent got a fixed exhaust connection to my bubler. But i tried it by manual keeping the exhaust (hose on exhaust) by the bubler intake. That isnt such a good idea.
It would be better to use the exhaust heat to heat up the casing of the bubler.
In my case the bubler is from plastic, so no good idea. A metal bubler would be the better choice.

LOL!  :) Yes a melting bubbler and burned fingers cant be much fun.
Your exhaust gasses should primarily be CO2 and H2O (steam) and NOx
The gassifacation folks reduce CO2 and steam with red hot carbon.
Perhaps the geet can do the same, but the NOx is a problem.
It will be reduced too, to N2 and O2, but as you add more N2 with the air; you will end up with nothing but N2 eventually.
If it works at all!

Using exhaust heat to heat the mixture (ala Spad) is probably the best bet.

Maybe i have time to make that turbolater (propellor) :-)
I also wanna try aluminium rods........lightweight)

Do you have any literature on flowing water near a magnet, or on how fast flowing gasses can magnetise a steel rod?
This would go a long way to de mystifying the whole magnet/electric phenomonum.
I have not been able to find any.  :-\

The geet system should be like lightning. By rubbing cold and hot air over eachother, you will remove electrons from one or the other. When that happens, you will get a potential difference and current can flow. That why some people notice DC current in the geet.
1 and 1 is 2. Iron surrounded by current = magnetic field.

Hopes this helps. All my theory.....at this moment. ;)

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 11, 2009, 23:36:50 pm
Today i tried a new size steel rod.
Exactly the model as used by Pantone aka the rounded nose and no spacers at the end.
I got the same color pattern after 1 hour running time.
No change in whatso ever as with the first rod.
I have a 10mm innerdiameter hole and the rod is 8mm, meaning 1mm spacing around he rod.
It ran on water with petrol.

I also added a propellor on the intake of the geet.

Steve


Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 16, 2009, 16:07:08 pm
Hi Guys
               The Group here in Melbourne aus, are working on the GEET now I no nothing about it but the friend down at Warnambool where I did the tests last Sunday, has been going into it , now something that happened with the Oz Injector tests, seem to confirm some thing with the GEET system. has any of you seen in any of your systems something that may look like 'plasma', now don't laugh at this, I have ended up with just that. he seems to think that the GEET does produce a 'cold' plasma, now just reading above, was some one was suggesting that 'the water was taking away the heat from the water' .
I do not have a clue on the GEET but it was my friend Steve that seemed to thing that some sort of 'cold plasma effect' was involved the group are checking it out.  I don't know it this info means any thing to you guys, but I have a puzzle with a 'cold plasma' flame.
ausepom
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 16, 2009, 16:39:38 pm
Hi Guys
               The Group here in Melbourne aus, are working on the GEET now I no nothing about it but the friend down at Warnambool where I did the tests last Sunday, has been going into it , now something that happened with the Oz Injector tests, seem to confirm some thing with the GEET system. has any of you seen in any of your systems something that may look like 'plasma', now don't laugh at this, I have ended up with just that. he seems to think that the GEET does produce a 'cold' plasma, now just reading above, was some one was suggesting that 'the water was taking away the heat from the water' .
I do not have a clue on the GEET but it was my friend Steve that seemed to thing that some sort of 'cold plasma effect' was involved the group are checking it out.  I don't know it this info means any thing to you guys, but I have a puzzle with a 'cold plasma' flame.
ausepom

Aussepom,

The idea of the Geet is indead to break up molecules into loose atoms. And thats plasma.
Inside the Geet is a rod. If you have a blue ring on the rod, it means that you have have that plasma effect inside.
In my case, i seem to have that effect.

Steve
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 17, 2009, 02:59:47 am
Hi Steve that is what they must be talking about, it seems that this is 'cold plasma'.

I may be asked to get involved later but I have to take this machine apart then go to China so I am not sure that I will be doing any thing for a while.
I will let you know if I find any thing out.
aussepom





Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 02, 2009, 10:10:40 am
hi guys
             did not go any where it seem this company may have been stinging me along

        now this GEET I have now a whole stack of info on it,   I have now a partial grasp on what it was trying to achieve
 two of the guy from the group, the 'Steve' has now written  up a paper on his thoughts on this, he has been on it for some time, and built some thing like it years ago.  with some of the latest thinking, of 'ours' the group seems to be getting some where. the one attempt on a car did not go so well, so it is being re build, designed  etc.  Some of the stuff, about the 'magnetic effect' has been disregarded,  however hold on to the thoughts on 'lighting', the spinning of the rod, is also no required.  there is some thing else that seems to be relevant, isolating the section that holds the GEET unit, also the tube going in and out with the fuel also needs to be isolated from the surrounding parts.  there is a lot more but I have not talked to Steve for awhile so I have not caught up on the progress.
well that's what i have for you for the moment,  has any one got a unit really running properly?
aussepom
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 02, 2009, 23:16:13 pm
hi guys
             did not go any where it seem this company may have been stinging me along

        now this GEET I have now a whole stack of info on it,   I have now a partial grasp on what it was trying to achieve
 two of the guy from the group, the 'Steve' has now written  up a paper on his thoughts on this, he has been on it for some time, and built some thing like it years ago.  with some of the latest thinking, of 'ours' the group seems to be getting some where. the one attempt on a car did not go so well, so it is being re build, designed  etc.  Some of the stuff, about the 'magnetic effect' has been disregarded,  however hold on to the thoughts on 'lighting', the spinning of the rod, is also no required.  there is some thing else that seems to be relevant, isolating the section that holds the GEET unit, also the tube going in and out with the fuel also needs to be isolated from the surrounding parts.  there is a lot more but I have not talked to Steve for awhile so I have not caught up on the progress.
well that's what i have for you for the moment,  has any one got a unit really running properly?
aussepom

I had all the signs of a running geet. Spirals over my rod and the coloring and the amps.
Thanks for the comments, Brian. Thats good info on the isolation of the geet unit.
On the vortexheatexchange group, they also had good results with such an isolated geet on a car.
Could be a good step for me to do here, as well..

Steve


Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2010, 16:35:44 pm


The best way I think to deliver gasoline or alcohol thru the geet is with a tiny carb like the ones off of RC cars.
Title: Re: Geet project of Steve
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 18, 2010, 20:31:24 pm


The best way I think to deliver gasoline or alcohol thru the geet is with a tiny carb like the ones off of RC cars.

Might be, yes.
The jar setup is said to be the worse kind of carb system....