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Title: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 30, 2009, 08:41:46 am
voltage travels at the speed of sound LIGHT!
current (electron flow) travels at a fraction of a centimeter per second

the speed current travels depends on the material, in copper it travels extremely fast, in semiconductors / stainless steel / resistive wire it travels slower

the time between the application of voltage to the beginning of current flow is finite, and depends on the material, and according to some is called the "relaxation time"

rapid on-off switching of voltage application for a duration shorter than the "relaxation time" of the specific material being used will result in application of voltage without any current flow

thus is the basis of the following 3 devices, and most definitely hundreds more
1. The Tesla switch
2. The VIC = The electron bounce phenomenon
3. Tom Beardens Voltage Collector

Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on May 30, 2009, 08:48:45 am
Good post!

Steve
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 01, 2009, 11:57:18 am
@Donald
Mostly correct...except voltage travels at the speed of LIGHT ;)
And, while yes amperage physically moves very slowly if you focus on the path of a certain electron...however, the event is a cascading chain reaction, where the electrons all the way the way at the end of the line (right before load) start moving quickly (but at a slow rate)...but anyway...you are correct on everything else.
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 01, 2009, 13:19:27 pm
Bedini: cutting off the signal after around 90 degrees when current starts to flow, by using the trigger coil on the transistor (correct me if I'm wrong)
 
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 01, 2009, 14:59:58 pm
i've heard the speed of light is variable and by no means limiting, supposedly speeds of 50c have been reached, i wouldn't rule it out
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 01, 2009, 20:15:18 pm
the speed of light is variable.. constants are for closed minds that dont understand that everything is variable. except for things like geometric harmonic codes like finding a perimeter of a perfect circle. 3.14..  the speed of light can be slowed down due to resistance... for example what color is the morning and evening skys? the color is light traveling slower due to its path taken to reach you it is traveling through more atmosphere.. which equals more resistance.
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 01, 2009, 20:25:36 pm
yea, never be afraid to accept everything you know about something is wrong, it's the easiest way to learn the truth and sort through bs.

anyway, it only really matters if we can put this stuff to use, and figure out how this stainless steel wire works, and this electron bounce phenomenon works, because the concept is that difficult to understand... apply the voltage and switch it off before the electrons move, this preserves  your source energy... it all ties into high voltage direct current pulses... the secret to everything, this is just one more clue that shows what the pulses need to accomplish, and also that resistive wire, instead of copper wire, can hold some secrets
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2009, 13:36:07 pm
this is on the last page of the tech


Note 1) The Electron Inhibiting Effect (631) of Figure (7-6) to cause "Electron Clustering"
(Grouping/collecting negative charged particles at a given point) (700) of Figure (7-9) to produce
''Negative Voltage Potential" ( B- ) at one side of Water Gap (Cp) of Figure (7-8) is accomplished by
low electrical power input (Tab 38) when Choke-Coil (62) of Figure (7-1) magnetic field (FL2) (690)
of Figure (7-8) during pulse on-time (49) impede "Electron-Flow" since electron mass is composed of
electromagnetic matter which interacts with magnetic field strength (FL2). Capacitance Charging
Effect (628) prevents amp influxing away from Water Gap (Cp) in a similar manner ... producing
"Electrical Stress" (SS' - RR') (B+/B-) across Water Gap (Cp) since both Choke-Coils (56/62) conducts
voltage potential (Negative or Positive) during pulsing operations.

Note 2) In determining volumetric sizing of the atom, Neutrons Clustering only enlarges the nucleus
surface area since the additive Neutron (s) exhibits no electrical charge to deflect or change the orbital
spin-velocity of the atom electrons.

Note 3) Universal Energy (9) of Figure (5-10) being a continuous energy potential (source) (C2)(CONSTANT SQ.)
coming into our space continuum and creating and sustaining/maintaining our expanding universe, as
so extrapolated via mass equation E=MC2. Whereby, Universal Energy (C2) having native intelligence
to create mass (M) (to cause electromagnetic wave-vectoring - photon structuring _ electron to proton
grouping to form atoms - molecular arrangements to bring-on chemical processes to sustain life) which,
in turns, emits radiant energy (E) under different stimuli conditions ... example, particle oscillation as a
energy generator by way of "Electrical Stress".
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2009, 14:03:57 pm
Negative voltage is created when electrons flow towards the negative electrode, also 90 degree out of phase, during the first 90 degrees negative voltage aoppear on the wfc, but no electron flow, [=strange] they are 'clustered', only voltage gets propagated to the wfc - after 90, electrons flow to the wfc.

 now, why does the magnetic field created by the primary, create a positive emf in the negative choke [towards the wfc], and a negative emf on the negative side of the secondary , [towards the 2nd choke]?
A potential difference on 2nd choke tries to form: negative on transformer side, positive on the wfc side. [sum 0v?]
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2009, 14:14:30 pm
Quote
When sending power down a transmission line, it is usually desirable that as much power as possible will be absorbed by the load and as little as possible will be reflected back to the source. This can be ensured by making the load impedance equal to Z0, in which case the transmission line is said to be matched. Ensuring the source impedance matches Z0 will maximize power transfer from the source to the transmission line, but has no other effect on the behavior of the line.
can we say that because  Xl > Xc, current lags voltage, thus minimal power is absorbed by the wfc as a load, and most power is reflected towards the source [choke], thus creating standing waves?


Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2009, 14:32:20 pm
the reason why electrons do not leak into the cell and create current is because stan uses a low input source and relies on the transformer to produce the voltage.. when being magnified the electro magnetic amplification of the core is enough to choke off electron flow. so by keeping electrons out of the water and magnified to the core it allows a physical interaction to occur.. you are now using physical force rather then chemical.. i would say the physical process is all about timing.. tuning into the electrons orbital pattern and disrupting it in some manner to weaken electromotive force to break the covalent bond.
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2009, 17:42:47 pm
The magnetic flux created in the Vic from the dual primary
 (yes, bifilar wound as per tech brief and in series "aiding" per Tesla) creates
a strong enough field on the bifilar twisted choke(spiral wrapped as per tech brief), that it
stops current from flowing out of the chokes.

Its all about the magnetic field clinching onto the electrons in the chokes and not letting them go anywhere.

The electron clustering is from the voltage potential difference from the chokes to
the electrodes(positive attracts negative).

While the electrons are in the neighborhood, switch in a different positive potential that does let current
flow and drag them electrons out. 

None of the replication attempts that I have seen are directed at the magnetic pinching of electrons.
That's why none work IMO. 

It just sunk in last weekend.  I'm gathering/ordering parts now that I have an understanding
and a direction to go.

mikemongo

Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2009, 18:10:43 pm
exactly, aiding bifilars would create an intens magnetic flux intensity, squared.
would the twisted chokes survive the emf?
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2009, 19:14:12 pm
exactly, aiding bifilars would create an intens magnetic flux intensity, squared.
would the twisted chokes survive the emf?

I think its going to have to be a GOOD heavy build on the wires
to survive an automotive environment.  Also the magnetic pulsing  is
going to put a lot of mechanical stress on it.

I'm not 100% sure yet, but I think I've found a suitable replacement for
the SS430F/FR wire.  Nichome C aka MWS-675, Tophet C, HAI-NiCr 60, Alloy C, Nikrothal 6, Electroloy....

38 AWG 42.19 ohms per foot, faint magnetic attraction per MWSwire.com

Don't those wire specs sound familiar?

Mike


Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2009, 19:31:19 pm
Great find this wire manufacturer
I looked it up, meyers wire had a specific resistance of .0048 ohm-foot , so  42 is huge compared to this.

What I meant by if the chokes would survive the emf is, the wire of both chokes in the last turn towards the wfc, have a potential difference of 40KV:
Quote
all dielectric coatings having an effective 3KV per mil dielectric value

see what I mean?
Or I just don't understand
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 03, 2009, 21:47:19 pm
Great find this wire manufacturer
I looked it up, meyers wire had a specific resistance of .0048 ohm-foot , so  42 is huge compared to this.

Yeah, maybe too much resistance, I don't know.

I was thinking that the wire was supposed to be 40 some ohms/foot.




What I meant by if the chokes would survive the emf is, the wire of both chokes in the last turn towards the wfc, have a potential difference of 40KV:
Quote
all dielectric coatings having an effective 3KV per mil dielectric value

see what I mean?
Or I just don't understand

I think if the electrons are held mostly stationary by the magnetic field, then there is no amperage available to arc.

Mike
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2009, 15:16:18 pm
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2009, 15:38:15 pm

Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2009, 11:02:45 am
lol oldschool
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2009, 13:12:17 pm
lol these were the first vids for area 51 basics lol.
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2009, 20:25:34 pm
Which one do you think is correct?
I think the second is.

Core pulsing at the resonant frequency of the chokes [each is a parallell LC tank], maximum voltage will develop with positive at the dot, while having an infinite impedance.


The dots are the positive EMF according to Lenz law.
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2009, 23:22:54 pm
See WO89/12704

Both choke coils are wound together.

The polarity is DOT positive.  That is where you start winding the coil.  If it were dot negative he would be sending the pulses in the other end.

If you dig up the above mentioned Wo, and look at figure 9 you will see that ALL the coils are wound in the same direction.
Note the connections made to the chokes from the secondary in each picture.

The DIFFERENCE between the two Pics is the direction that he wound the coils.
In fig 9 he winds the coils counter clockwise from the Dots. in 3-23 he winds them clockwise, but because he wound them in that direction he can rotate the choke coils and dosen't have to route the secondary wires across the bobbin cavity.

The confusion of it, is for convienence of winding it.
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 21, 2009, 23:32:22 pm
All you have to remember is to wind them bifilar together, and connect them with magnetic fields aiding.
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 22, 2009, 10:20:41 am
crap, I placed the dots as an indicator for positive EMF incorrect, based on Lenz law.
[dot = positive emf]
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 25, 2009, 22:16:59 pm
So it really is possible for 'static' voltage fields to do work for free:
http://wbabin.net/physics/turtur.pdf
http://wbabin.net/physics/turtur1e.pdf
Title: Re: Voltage without current
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2009, 00:40:02 am
thanks for sharing the find allan..