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Title: Phase and anti phase
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2009, 13:27:20 pm
Food for thought:

Two oscillators that have the same frequency and different phases have a phase difference, and the oscillators are said to be out of phase with each other. The amount by which such oscillators are out of step with each other can be expressed in degrees from 0° to 360°, or in radians from 0 to 2?. If the phase difference is 180 degrees (? radians), then the two oscillators are said to be in antiphase. If two interacting waves meet at a point where they are in antiphase, then destructive interference will occur. It is common for waves of electromagnetic (light, RF), acoustic (sound) or other energy to become superposed in their transmission medium. When that happens, the phase difference determines whether they reinforce or weaken each other. Complete cancellation is possible for waves with equal amplitudes.

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Steve
Title: Re: Phase and anti phase
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2009, 16:06:43 pm
more:

In physics, interference is the addition (superposition) of two or more waves that result in a new wave pattern.

Title: Re: Phase and anti phase
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2009, 16:11:44 pm
Interresting , there was a youtube video by some optical-electro engineer talking about this , youtube removed the user like 1 hour aftrwards .

Couldnt find anything , I tried all the key-words I tried , the video was gone  ... It was some conference with some engineer guy , he simply explained what the dam scalar finally were . I always do a search on youtube for "scalar waves" and such .

A lady asked about scalar waves , he simply drew some mirror waveform kinda like Meyers and said that scalar waves happens when 2 waves , w/e waves , of same frequency w/e frequency , cancel out eachother . This creates what he called "interference patterns" ... Again , this is all textbook and nothing special .

But it was nice to finally get a definitive answer .
Title: Re: Phase and anti phase
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2009, 17:46:14 pm
what's new about that stevie? does it help in any way?
Title: Re: Phase and anti phase
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2009, 20:19:27 pm
Hi,

Well, Stan said that his hydrogen generator worked on a system that was 180 degrees out of phase.
Sofar i can follow Dankie. The question is what was 180 out of phase?
If you hit voltage against voltage, you get zero.
Same frequency against same frequency = noice
In a RC setup you can shift voltage against amps.
What would it bring if you cut of the signal before amp kick in and after voltage raised?

Again, i just wrote some food for thoughts

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Steve




Title: Re: Phase and anti phase
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2009, 20:34:29 pm
Hi,

Well, Stan said that his hydrogen generator worked on a system that was 180 degrees out of phase.
Sofar i can follow Dankie. The question is what was 180 out of phase?
If you hit voltage against voltage, you get zero.
Same frequency against same frequency = noice
In a RC setup you can shift voltage against amps.
What would it bring if you cut of the signal before amp kick in and after voltage raised?

Again, i just wrote some food for thoughts

br
Steve






Yes Stevie , It would be interresting to see with a phase meter the relation of currents of both negative side and positive side  of the cell .

Title: Re: Phase and anti phase
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2009, 20:35:28 pm
well in a series resonant circuit the current is always the same.
if we have  +-----L-------C------- the voltage at the coil will be 90° before current, and the voltage on the capacitor will be 90° behind the current, which makes 180° degrees voltage difference between the two parts.
if you measure the whole voltage over L and C and the current you will notice both will be in phase at resonance.
Title: Re: Phase and anti phase
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 22, 2009, 22:58:09 pm
Well, Stan said that his hydrogen generator worked on a system that was 180 degrees out of phase.

"180 degrees out of phase with the electrolysis process"

Electrolysis:
High amps
Low volts
Chemicals
Electrons in
Chemical Process
Inefficient

Stan:
Low amps
High volts
No Chemicals
Electrons out
Physical Process
Efficient

Everywhere electrolysis is up, Stan is down, when electrolysis is one thing, Stan's is the other. It is the complete opposite. 180 degrees out of phase.
Title: Re: Phase and anti phase
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 23, 2009, 00:27:50 am
Well, Stan said that his hydrogen generator worked on a system that was 180 degrees out of phase.

"180 degrees out of phase with the electrolysis process"

Electrolysis:
High amps
Low volts
Chemicals
Electrons in
Chemical Process
Inefficient

Stan:
Low amps
High volts
No Chemicals
Electrons out
Physical Process
Efficient

Everywhere electrolysis is up, Stan is down, when electrolysis is one thing, Stan's is the other. It is the complete opposite. 180 degrees out of phase.

This new "neutrinolysis" term has me very excited , I believe there is something here and it smells very very nice .

Title: Re: Phase and anti phase
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 23, 2009, 03:56:21 am
Hi,

Well, Stan said that his hydrogen generator worked on a system that was 180 degrees out of phase.
Sofar i can follow Dankie. The question is what was 180 out of phase?
If you hit voltage against voltage, you get zero.
Same frequency against same frequency = noice
In a RC setup you can shift voltage against amps.
What would it bring if you cut of the signal before amp kick in and after voltage raised?

Again, i just wrote some food for thoughts

br
Steve

180 degrees out of phase, what is it; The first wave will be 180 degrees out of phase with the second wave. The first wave will start and proceed to 180 degree's, A second wave starts 180 Of the first wave and 0 degree's of itself. If dc then the waveform will be Bumpy Dc, If Ac the waveform will be a perfect sine wave. Because it is out of phase this doesn't mean that waveform is coming from anything other than a ground and hot wire, or neutral and neutral, "Ac." Neutrals go both ways.

If it was 120 degree's out of phase, the second wave would begin 120 degree's into the first wave, appearing like overlapped bumps which is exactly what 3 phase does, To make it 160 out of phase you would need to put more distance between each Coil when overlapping.

If it is in phase, then it isn't any degree out. Normal 120 volt mains voltage is also 180 degree's out of phase, If you full wave rectify the mains of 120 you will get 180 out of phase dc.

Misunderstanding for me.



Title: Re: Phase and anti phase
Post by: Login to see usernames on April 23, 2009, 04:52:15 am
now your seeing what i am seeing donald

the deffinition for this smell is vice versa..remember theres 2 ways to skin a cat.. the right way and the wrong way.

Quote
180 degrees out of phase with the electrolysis process"

Electrolysis:
High amps
Low volts
Chemicals
Electrons in
Chemical Process
Inefficient

Stan:
Low amps
High volts
No Chemicals
Electrons out
Physical Process
Efficient

Everywhere electrolysis is up, Stan is down, when electrolysis is one thing, Stan's is the other. It is the complete opposite. 180 degrees out of phase.