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The Right Question?
« on: July 26, 2015, 15:39:52 pm »
Meyer inspired me in many ways and what he mostly impressed me is the regard about doing the right question.

The right Question indeed as he show in the New zealand is what happens when water molecule is form?

it just to important to you to know haha
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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2015, 05:45:24 am »
Another question is related to a test i did and already commented about

if we charge one inside electrode with high voltage why would a voltage appear across both the electrodes?

the answer is that the outside electrode is in a situation of lower energy since greater radius lower electric field would emanate for the same number of charges if all they go to it thereto a lower potential energy than the first case.

the difference in this potential energy is the voltage apearing across the cell

isnt that amazing?

this mean that placing a charge into a point in space sets an electric potential field that just like the potential inside the coil varies along its lengh..

this is potential energy

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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2015, 11:51:15 am »
Meyer inspired me in many ways and what he mostly impressed me is the regard about doing the right question.

The right Question indeed as he show in the New zealand is what happens when water molecule is form?

it just to important to you to know haha

Dear Fabio,

I also take that question with me thru my life.
Ask the right question! You might get some answers.

My question to you:
To be able to charge the chokes, you must have a closed loop circuit, is it?
Or are they charged by the magnetic field of the primary coil?

cheers!

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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2015, 02:05:10 am »
Hello Dear Steve

Yes i believe for the choke to collapse it needs to charge first and it may be done by the primary and in series by action of the secondary over the system or just by the action o secondary in series if the choke is not coupled..

in my analysis when we first apply a unipolar voltage to the inner plate for example basically there is a voltage drop across the cell and this may be a combination of movement of the ions and polarization of the dielectric...  this voltage will than theoretically drop after some time... this is the maximum time its worth applying...

i have the impression that the diode perform the same function as a microwave diode... allowing to charge the capacitor in one direction and blocking the electrons when the collapse of the coil comes allowing the development of high voltage that propeles the electrons from the filament thru the magnetic field.... ..

the difference in stan circuit is that he adds a coil between ground and the the diode in my view.. and that makes the diode don't need to be so high voltage rated since the coil will kind of help keep it forward biased during operation..


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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2015, 04:20:43 am »
I was thinking intensively about it and came to the following question..

if i use my pulsing ckt that has a diode with a huge resistance in series with it across the primary... although i achieve a high voltage it will be for very short time and will fall exponentially like... so kind of the useful part of it would be limited some kind.

i was thinking that maybe i should indeed reduce the turns of the primary and than reduce also this resistance too,,

this will have the effect that the impedance at the primary will be smaller... so higher current at lower voltage applied..

but the voltage will be higher...

my last primary has 20turns.. for the next set i plan to make less...

for example...

if i apply 12v and have a 30:1 factor i would only get 360v at secondary.. not 20kv... even if the high voltage will be developed in resonance first i need to find it  in water ..

so if i make a 300:1 factor like having 1200 turns secondary and 4 turns primary.. than there would be really 3600volts.. for 12v input

3v per turn is not that much depending on the frequency,,, i could put up to 8 amps easy... hardly up to 15




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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2015, 13:41:33 pm »
We also should not forget that the chokes need a closed circuit to be able to discharge.
So, the cell MUST have a state of conduction.
Meaning, the watermolecule must be alligned.
By current....


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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2015, 13:44:24 pm »
What if the `water fuel cell` act as a generator when meet the right conditions? i mean behave like a generator that is exited by the voltage potential... it kind of must create a field that is in phase with the coils to get advantage of it... would it be possible that this is what meyer was talking about?

i have a few questions for you...

why the molecule is attracted to the voltage zone?

does it move toward the voltage zone?

why?

isn't the oxygen the bigger molecule? with 8 protons 10 electrons (when in molecule form)

why would not the protons of the oxygen be attracted to a negative field more than the hydrogen side of the molecule?

A voltage field will apply a force in any free charge in the water.. will set up it into movement... the movement of this charges will be to rearrange to try to achieve the lowest energy possible. so we cannot simply put a resistor across the cell and want the energy to come off.. as the voltage would simply jump thru the resistor and the field would become minimal inside..

the question is how to use voltage to induce this current thru the cell and take advantage of it, without consuming the voltage and even getting gas out of it?

Meyer talk about restricting the current to allow voltage to take over in a dead short condition...

well voltage will take the easiest path.. for example you cannot keep pulling electrons out of the water indefinitely... but if water has too much contaminants it may act as a ground... however if we kind of charge a water volume the charge will kind of stay in the liquid... but it will aways try to balance...

if you take an electron out of the water bath it become positive charged and soon start to get harder and harder keep pulling electrons out of it... because the positive bath attracts the electrons to it too..

if you get out is because of

at certain point one proton also takes on an electron from somewhere (other electrode) and neutralize (deionize) at this point theres nothing else holding the electron that was trying to reduce the field near the electrode and it get discharged.. this is amps being consumed...but the bath charge keep increasing up to where the other electrode also achieve the same  or near voltage level..

in my experiments the purer is the water the higher was the voltage i could put into it.. and the voltage that apear into it..

as i´m saying this voltage being smaller mean that theres more amps being consumed... more ionizable species.. not  much interesting..

the question is if there is a collection of protons on one side of the cell and a collection of negative ions in the positive side of the cell could we get maybe? a reversed voltage if we charge and disconnect the cell from the source?

is there a net charge?

sure not if we simply charge it at near ground potential

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Re: The Right Question?
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2015, 13:52:15 pm »
in this patent this guy present something like a structure that allow the current from the ions to discharge while allow the apply of high voltage unipolar pulses..

https://www.google.com.br/patents/US20100126846