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Re: Voltage intensifier circuit
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2015, 16:12:46 pm »
well ts that makes a kind of sense but as i'm saying here this system seems a little more special... in that there is no spark gap from what i know...

i will aways try to ressume it for i can understand better and possibly all other... recapitulation

i did more tests yesterday i achieved up to 3500kohm (@ 0 ppm), of resistance per cell! isn't that nice ?

today i re-filtered the water i'm about to test again....

the meter won't show less than 0 ppm so i guess the idea is to actually measure the dc resistance will be a good indication for you all

i already verified this.. the purity can be brought to the maximum if a pumped filter is implemented recirculating the water to the filter and cell...

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« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2015, 16:17:06 pm »
i was wandering if meyer used the double layer capacitance as a mean to restrict  the current like in the tay hee han patent...probably is a bad idea to have straight dc across the cell, otherwise this capacitance gets charged and current can flow... the current depends on the electric fields and resistance of the material

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Re: Voltage intensifier circuit
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2015, 16:22:43 pm »
well ts that makes a kind of sense but as i'm saying here this system seems a little more special... in that there is no spark gap from what i know...

i will aways try to ressume it for i can understand better and possibly all other... recapitulation

i did more tests yesterday i achieved up to 3500kohm (@ 0 ppm), of resistance per cell! isn't that nice ?

today i re-filtered the water i'm about to test again....

the meter won't show less than 0 ppm so i guess the idea is to actually measure the dc resistance will be a good indication for you all

i already verified this.. the purity can be brought to the maximum if a pumped filter is implemented recirculating the water to the filter and cell...

While an interesting experiment, I'm not sure this is practical. Meyers indicated that all forms of natural water can be used.

I am presently experimenting with inline resistors in the VIC.  While not desirable in the end result, it has amplified the resonant effect I have been getting.  At resonance, the transformer sounds  like it is producing static and you will see higher peaks in the voltage waveform associated with this "static".  I believe this is where the step up is occuring.

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Re: Voltage intensifier circuit
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2015, 16:30:25 pm »
Goon the double layer seem to still exist but to smaller extent the capacitance seems bigger or its resistance makes it a longer time to fully charging...

Ts i think it should work with water of any kind too.. i just guess is pretty much easier if we get the water most pure possible... meyer mentions in the patent 1ppm to 20ppm operation... but is not hard to have this thats what i'm saying... tap water here has 110ppm

the rain water range is from 2ppm to 4ppm depending on the rain... to get zero takes very small filtering effort... i think its worth for me.. by the way i use just cationic and anionic mixed resin... it works like the electrostatic filter meyer described... it capture the ions from the water reducing the ppm...





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Re: Voltage intensifier circuit
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2015, 16:42:49 pm »
My own opinion is that I don't think this is what's going to do it.

My experiments have shown that currents of even 8 milliamps may be sufficient to produce electrolysis. So obviously we need to have current less than this. The coils will continue producing a current that is induced in them by creating the necessary voltage to do so because this is the nature of coils.  Therefore the goal should not be to create resistance in the water. The goal should be to produce high resistance in the rest of the VIC while tuning appropriate reactance on the coils and WFC at the desired frequency.  The resistance of the rest of the VIC circuit at resonance should be higher than the resistance of the quality of the water being used.


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Re: Voltage intensifier circuit
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2015, 17:05:43 pm »
My own opinion is that I don't think this is what's going to do it.

My experiments have shown that currents of even 8 milliamps may be sufficient to produce electrolysis. So obviously we need to have current less than this. The coils will continue producing a current that is induced in them by creating the necessary voltage to do so because this is the nature of coils.  Therefore the goal should not be to create resistance in the water. The goal should be to produce high resistance in the rest of the VIC while tuning appropriate reactance on the coils and WFC at the desired frequency.  The resistance of the rest of the VIC circuit at resonance should be higher than the resistance of the quality of the water being used.

by resistance  i meant a complex capacitor (sandwich ) like proposed by tay he han cited by meyer as he has the patent for the generation of h2 from collision and HV.. what i mean is that as the double layer is high value capacitance... it acts like the barium titanate to restrict the current since the electric fields will distribute thru the dielectrics (capacitances) accordingly... but once you have a region of low electric field and high resistance, this allows to apply high electric fields with (current restricted condition) eccles also comment tay he han saying that tay he don't show any way of getting ride of the screening of the charge.. .

of course i'm assuming that the water in the double layer has the same breakdown voltage than the series capacitance..or higher... if not its all trash what i just wrote

according to eccles (fracture cell) stan system is complicated and expensive to restrict the current so they went to plastics as insulators for the goal..

well i just ran the tests with the re purified water... i got 6kohm per cell now! that means applying 60v i get 10ma  again 0ppm positive on the outer tube... i cant see any bubble with this config

i believe the vic work with the cell in a manner to modulate the electric fields present to completely eliminate the current flow... somehow..

its being some years and the sensation and my impression about it turned a lot but aways around the same points... some new come but only to realize old ideas..
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Re: Voltage intensifier circuit
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2015, 23:13:52 pm »
In my analysis we should equilibrate the vc to allow the pulse to collapse correctly...the damn question is what is it? i think the vic could be split into only two coils ... to simplify.. .the diode goes to the outer tube and the choke on the inner tube.. possibly..

If the coils get charged to resonance up to 1 amp/...having my cells in series would easily give me over 20kv... question is how to get it in there?

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Re: Voltage intensifier circuit
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2015, 00:46:48 am »
In my analysis we should equilibrate the vc to allow the pulse to collapse correctly...the damn question is what is it? i think the vic could be split into only two coils ... to simplify.. .the diode goes to the outer tube and the choke on the inner tube.. possibly..

If the coils get charged to resonance up to 1 amp/...having my cells in series would easily give me over 20kv... question is how to get it in there?

See the last three posts in my current topic.

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?topic=2946.msg27422#msg27422