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Re: electric field screening
« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2013, 20:57:54 pm »
ok, you added some insulation....
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Re: electric field screening
« Reply #65 on: August 01, 2013, 00:03:14 am »
sorry steve i almost edited your post by mistake ...  :P


Yes the outer conductor (electrode) is not connected to the coil and there is also a plastic tape insulation maybe 1 or to maximum turns of tape and one turn at each layer of coil... the coil is connected to the inner tube anyhow... internally... i didn't connected to the outer electrode just for measuring purpose but should be connected in function...

if you make the equivalent circuit than its exactly the vic matrix impedance circuit!!!

It ends up that the coil is inside the capacitor and thus it forms a resonant tank and the electric fields of such capacitor are acting directly at the polarization in the coil...in macroscopic manner..


In theory if this work than its exactly what meyer talks about all the time! Restricting amps to allow voltage do work in a dead short condition. If the amps are not allowed to flow no power is consumed of course.

I mean maybe meyer was trying to improve the tay he han patent idea or working in parallel in the same concepts!!! very strange !!! anyway is hard to say nowadays...

But if that is so than there can be some sort of pulsing style that is possible to benefit if its applied at the resonant frequency of the circuit!
If amps are restricted the electric fields applied to the water can be really high.

Pulsing at the resonant frequency makes sense since the capacitance part of the circuit gets charged first and the coils get charged with some current during charge times, and then the capacitor must discharge thru the coil after in parallel and as such the coil reverts polarity wow strange lot of stuff. 

The idea is that the high voltage pass thru 90ยบ ahead of current like stan constantly speaks about...

I think the coil will save the insulation from suffering high stress somehow....
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Re: electric field screening
« Reply #66 on: August 01, 2013, 00:48:56 am »
I'm using for design all this, all the fundamentals of physics like as conductor should not have an electric field inside of it... (the coil) the geometry, the electrodes... The electric fields...

the needed electric field required to make water become gas should be around the 25kv/mm


Together, external magnetic field (71), inductance coupling field (512a xxx 512n), resistive value (Z2 + Z3) of stainless steel wire-coil (56/62), and the dielectric value (ohmic or resistive value) (Re> of water aids and performs amp restriction process (520) of Figure (5-3) while allowing applied voltage amplitude to be electrically transmitted without signal degradation. (see circuit resistive equations (Eq 9) ( Memo WFC 420, once again) as to VIC Matrix Circuit (690) of Figure (7-8).
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Re: electric field screening
« Reply #67 on: August 06, 2013, 17:32:30 pm »
I found that my LRC meter is not doing good measures... I think the cables are somehow bad contacts or shorted in someway...

trying to solve that to do more measurements...

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Re: electric field screening
« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2013, 19:49:18 pm »
I fixed the LCR meter and at this time it measures 180pf for the small test cell i constructed.... As i suspected the coil layers don't interfere in the capacitance since a metal simply cant have electric field inside of it!

I'm going to evaluate the ability to restrict amps and electric field inside the cell...

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Re: electric field screening
« Reply #69 on: August 09, 2013, 10:03:38 am »
I fixed the LCR meter and at this time it measures 180pf for the small test cell i constructed.... As i suspected the coil layers don't interfere in the capacitance since a metal simply cant have electric field inside of it!

I'm going to evaluate the ability to restrict amps and electric field inside the cell...

ok, 180pf is more realistic.
Good luck and have fun!

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Re: electric field screening
« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2013, 18:15:13 pm »
Man now that i'm working i got some resources to invest in my little project... I'm having lot of fun now doing coils and tests and people here around really believe its possible..

180 pf is like almost the a tenth of the capacitance of the water tube but it will be leaky as well ...  so there can be a minimum amp flow to stop the screening of the charge.. maybe lowering the electric field needed to split the ions thru water molecules and cause collisions...