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Title: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 25, 2016, 10:05:49 am
Hello

I got a kit made in china for motorizing my bycicle i plan to use this motor to test the enhanced production of thermal explosive energy by exciting the gas with lasers and high voltage pulse frequency allong with extraction of electrons from the gas...

the engine is 4 cycles 48cc and has a compression ratio of 6:1 this is like 32 times smaller gas requirement than the Stans 1600cc bug... and as the compression ratio is also smaller it makes maybe around 40x less gas requirement...

so if i counted 60liter per minute as a requirement to run at full speed with the buggy it would take 1,5 liter per minute of gas to run this small engine at full speed or so...

IT costed to me 300$ for the kit.. i will have to make a special cube on the whell to get it mounted proper and also buy a bycicle too...

to start with the system will use the wall ac energy for the electrolysis and enhancement of the power output of the gas.. when this point is achieved

later i will install a low friction alternator to it to get the electrical energy from the motor itself..when the energy out is going be greater than energy in... theoreticaLY

later i will get the output of the motor wire into an inverter like those for solar panels and wire it to the ac network so i can drop all the energy i use back into the line so i can measure the input and output separatedly... the inverter maxs out the output of the generator to always feed power to the ac network...it does that by advancing the phase of the signal maybe... there is a loss in this process too anyway...

other step will be using a dc battery as the power source and measure the energy it gives out and the energy geting into it by the generator... the problem with that is that the battery need to be not full to be charged so the generator wont load it much hard as the inverter will in my opinion...

than i´m going to be able to set it up as self runner too

a low friction generator is one that does not have much oposition such as air core with neodimium magnets spining... thru it..those used for eolic






Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 25, 2016, 11:16:09 am
I decided to take this step further as i believe the flux of air created by the engine may take a part into the all figure...

for extracting electrons from the gas the ambient air gas atoms will come out of a nozzle like from a syringe that will be charged to negative potential to increase the charge to mass ratio of the atoms negatively ionizing it first or lending an electron to it to allow the atoms to accelerate toward a target where it will give up electrons and pass thru now with missing electrons...it may take a form of a screen... maybe tungsten material..

i believe the small vaccum that the engine makes allow to super charge some of this atoms..

when they hit the screen their electron will go to the other side consuming power..

well so far my objective here is to extract atomic energy of water using voltage to liberate it on demand..

if we take a 10-40 kv arc thru a small glass tube with air going thru it could be nice way to test it....

another thing i was considering is that made me think of all this is that this winter here is very cold and i tried to build a heater.. while observing the resistance geting hot i wondered if it was emiting electrons out of it... wasnt so hot.. but if it were hot and charged negatively it would throw electrons off as required... which makes me think of two things

one is that stan says the engine is a manufactor of non combustible gas

and another is that lamps use argon to impeed the filament to burn..

so meyer kind of had that heat exchanger and i wonder if he wast actually using the heat of the engine too as the source of electrons ejection... i mean we all know that catalysers use the not burned part of the fuell to develop a very hot plate that converts the not totaly burned CO to CO2

what if this same hot plate was just a platinum foil as the base of the emiter of electrons??
Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 25, 2016, 11:40:44 am
if we take that a oxigen atom can take up to 2 electrons each forming the negative ion than we can calculate what is the potential needed to strip or 4 electrons... like stan said..but of course the mean free path must be respected... this is the space where you can accelerate an ion without it coliding with other particles..

if it colides it will lose the 2 electrons charge and will result in two atoms being accelerated with less force
Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2016, 16:40:38 pm
I decided to take this step further as i believe the flux of air created by the engine may take a part into the all figure...

for extracting electrons from the gas the ambient air gas atoms will come out of a nozzle like from a syringe that will be charged to negative potential to increase the charge to mass ratio of the atoms negatively ionizing it first or lending an electron to it to allow the atoms to accelerate toward a target where it will give up electrons and pass thru now with missing electrons...it may take a form of a screen... maybe tungsten material..

i believe the small vaccum that the engine makes allow to super charge some of this atoms..

when they hit the screen their electron will go to the other side consuming power..

well so far my objective here is to extract atomic energy of water using voltage to liberate it on demand..

if we take a 10-40 kv arc thru a small glass tube with air going thru it could be nice way to test it....

another thing i was considering is that made me think of all this is that this winter here is very cold and i tried to build a heater.. while observing the resistance geting hot i wondered if it was emiting electrons out of it... wasnt so hot.. but if it were hot and charged negatively it would throw electrons off as required... which makes me think of two things

one is that stan says the engine is a manufactor of non combustible gas

and another is that lamps use argon to impeed the filament to burn..

so meyer kind of had that heat exchanger and i wonder if he wast actually using the heat of the engine too as the source of electrons ejection... i mean we all know that catalysers use the not burned part of the fuell to develop a very hot plate that converts the not totaly burned CO to CO2

what if this same hot plate was just a platinum foil as the base of the emiter of electrons??

i think Meyer should come out of his hiding retiring place and tell us what he actually did....

Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2016, 16:44:23 pm
Hello

I got a kit made in china for motorizing my bycicle i plan to use this motor to test the enhanced production of thermal explosive energy by exciting the gas with lasers and high voltage pulse frequency allong with extraction of electrons from the gas...

the engine is 4 cycles 48cc and has a compression ratio of 6:1 this is like 32 times smaller gas requirement than the Stans 1600cc bug... and as the compression ratio is also smaller it makes maybe around 40x less gas requirement...

so if i counted 60liter per minute as a requirement to run at full speed with the buggy it would take 1,5 liter per minute of gas to run this small engine at full speed or so...

IT costed to me 300$ for the kit.. i will have to make a special cube on the whell to get it mounted proper and also buy a bycicle too...

to start with the system will use the wall ac energy for the electrolysis and enhancement of the power output of the gas.. when this point is achieved

later i will install a low friction alternator to it to get the electrical energy from the motor itself..when the energy out is going be greater than energy in... theoreticaLY

later i will get the output of the motor wire into an inverter like those for solar panels and wire it to the ac network so i can drop all the energy i use back into the line so i can measure the input and output separatedly... the inverter maxs out the output of the generator to always feed power to the ac network...it does that by advancing the phase of the signal maybe... there is a loss in this process too anyway...

other step will be using a dc battery as the power source and measure the energy it gives out and the energy geting into it by the generator... the problem with that is that the battery need to be not full to be charged so the generator wont load it much hard as the inverter will in my opinion...

than i´m going to be able to set it up as self runner too

a low friction generator is one that does not have much oposition such as air core with neodimium magnets spining... thru it..those used for eolic

I have a 900watt generator, 4 stroke, for this purpose.
Actually, i am soooo ready to build the Anderson cell.
Run the cell as electrolysis and male the small genset idle on the basic gas hho.
Then apply the hv unit with radiolysis and coil and then see what what happens...


cheers my friends
Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 26, 2016, 18:34:22 pm
Good one my friend!

have you tried some lasers already?

I think a good starting point will be to be able to generate the gas and run the engine measuring all parameters

flow, voltage, current applied and power... than compare the results on the engine output also runing some sort of generator too
Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 10, 2016, 16:39:21 pm
Ready for tests

i got a bycicle to instal the engine and it end up really nice it runs pretty well on gasoline...

i will try to get some pure gasoline by adding water to the gasoline and therefore dissolve and split the alcoohol contained in our gasoline... here is 27% its a law here as here the country produce a lot of it...

now i need to determine if it has a waste spark that will be there probably and find a way to get rid of it... any ideas?

i will finish a big cell with many plates to get the gas for it initially and determine the flow rate required... this cell is a 9 cell in series to give 1.5 v per cell .. . will be feed from wall initially...

i will be working on the increasing of power output of the same gas being generated by trying to stimulate some atoms to fuse together under combustion conditions...

this is my goal with all this... to prove that meyer was the same as horvath theory in that they were extracting some fusion energy by stimulating the gases with photons and voltage..

http://www.bicycle-engines.com/49cc-engine-parts-diagram.html
Title: info
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 13, 2016, 10:43:53 am
http://www.jetav8r.com/Vision/Ignition/CDI.html

http://www.ecotrons.com/products/gaseous_small_engine_fuel_injection_kit/
Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 14, 2016, 07:07:32 am
Hi Fabio,


It is a 1 cylinder engine, i assume.
If you gonna feed it with HHO, then please do not forget the ignition system.
I do not mean the timing specifically, but i talk about the waist spark.
A single cylinder also fires a spark at the exit stroke.
During that stroke, the engine also opens the inlet valve a little bit for getting a better flow.
You can imaging what happens......
Thats the resean why my left ear is a bit deaf.
.....


cheers
Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 15, 2016, 02:44:53 am
Hi Fabio,


It is a 1 cylinder engine, i assume.
If you gonna feed it with HHO, then please do not forget the ignition system.
I do not mean the timing specifically, but i talk about the waist spark.
A single cylinder also fires a spark at the exit stroke.
During that stroke, the engine also opens the inlet valve a little bit for getting a better flow.
You can imaging what happens......
Thats the resean why my left ear is a bit deaf.
.....


cheers

Thanks man i was about to do it. too

i´m trying to find a way to control the spark on the dead cycle

how you came up with?

=D
Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 15, 2016, 10:33:37 am
I think it may be easy to detect when the spark is going or not

so may be easier to ad an injector for the hydrogen and makea logic system to impeed the injector to act during the spark

what you think about ?

problems

it will need an electronic pressure logic for stoping gas generation at certain pressure

iwas thinking to add a baloon and place a mechanical sensor at it such that when it touch the gas  shut down..

if it explode there will be not much gas on the baloon

maybe a bubbler after the baloon right before the inector maybe a good protection to impeed the baloon to explode

i will explode one just in case to see how loud it can be...

i was planing the logic like this

a sensor on the engine located after the spark point generates a triger signal to let open the injector by a time controled by a monostable timer

the triger signal frequency is divided by two and must have a way to triger manualy to tune for the right cycle of the engine...

i think than is a mather of increase the gas production to increase pressure thereto the injection ability of the injector to increase the rpm

of course i must be able to idle it with the gate at maybe 20%

i was planing a sort of quenching tube made of roled copper foil into a tube such that it makes impossible for the flame to propagate thru it but imust test it

poor world

maybe a second sensor to shut the injector aways at the correct point may be beneficial too

think of it the gas is contained

the sensors only allow the gas to in at a safe point of the injection cycle..

(the spark ends right before the piston reach maybe 75% of the course

 i believe because it must propagate the flame front toward the piston for impulsionating it

i was thinking and maybe the exhaust is not needed at this point and dont makes muchsensetome since stan says why the atmosphere wont burn up? also the oxigen for the combustion supose to come from the water and not the air except that the products of the reaction in the combustion chamber was of interest to make the thermonuclear explosion happen.. dont thinkso




Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 15, 2016, 19:08:28 pm
a simpler way of doing that would be a vaccum sensor between the carburator and the engine creating a triger signal that is delayed to open the injector... and leave it open for a determined fixed value like with a monostable timer this time may be in accordance to the max rpm so that absolutelly no gas is wasted any time since the engine is always sucking it in when the injector is open

so every time the inlet valve open the spark may still be occuring but the injection come right after that

this signal wont be twice the frequency so is simpler to deal with.. since its already timed with the cycle and the injection point

the beauty is that it wont need any opening of the engine making it easy to control

now lets hope it can inject the gas in time ...



Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 16, 2016, 11:59:50 am
Dear fabulous Fabio,

I made a complete description, years ago.
http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,1411.0.html
I used 2:1 gears and a separate ignition coil.

Go have a look.

Cheers!

I even made a schematic of the electronics with hall sensor......

Title: nice info
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 17, 2016, 10:18:05 am
http://www1.eere.energy.gov/hydrogenandfuelcells/tech_validation/pdfs/fcm03r0.pdf

this tells us all maybe nothing new but with some good scientific perspective

i hope you enjoy

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my neighbour told me some curiosity about ionization he said that on the sugar cane plantations here in brazil they are now forbiden to grow in areas where the high voltage lines passes thru because before harvesting they put fire on it to kill animals like snakes and spiders ... that may hurt the people that manualy cut it... it still done this way today in many places

the reason of the prohibition is that the fire can gets 15m tall and it ionize the air causeing lightning from the high voltage lines to the ground...

so fire is like in the gustave le bon books from begining of the century the evolution of force and the evolution of mather
he uses candles and charged plates and electrometers to analyse how much the fire emits charged particles that neutralized the charge on plates . very intersting!
Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2016, 01:14:33 am
i added a long tube to the exhaust such that it can let the fumes out of my lab... so now i can turn it on inside the house and work at it.

i connected the oscilloscope to the points used to shut the motor... its a low resistance winding that when shorted impeed the spark to happen shuting the motor down...

so it gives the same waveform of the spark..

its damn interesting...

the voltage peak is very very sharp... -200v

now how the heck it works?

it apeared to me that this is a good way to allow the field to collapse...

the secondary winding has 4,5kohm...

i realy didnt got this one...

help?



Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2016, 02:01:01 am
i think inside that ignition coil there may be a transistor or maybe break points actuated by the magnet

maybe not i dont realy understand how is that sharp..

maybe the high resistance of the coil is related to it...
Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 21, 2016, 10:37:26 am
The ignition system charges the primary coil by closing the points. When the points open, you get the bemf resonance peak.........
Title: Re: Motor Bike Project
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 23, 2016, 23:24:32 pm
wouldnt this be a magneto ignition like motocross engine ?   
if the coil is right by the magnet then its magneto