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Title: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2016, 16:17:31 pm
hello

TODAY i pulsed my cell with 25% potassium hydroxide at around 14v consuming around 3.5amps at 500khz with a half bridge but connecting the cell to the bridge and ground and not to a midle voltage...

the test was prety interesting and generated a lot of gas but what i concluded is that the cell had a kind of inductive behavior

unfortunately my half bridge burned when i raised the freq  before i saved a waveform but the cell basically being disconnected from the powersupply by the first switch reverts its polarity much like would do an inductor...so the other switch basically take out the charge out from the electrodes and the diode (in parallel with the swicth) kind of perform the continuation of the induced current in the cell... maybe this is the eec meyer refered to

next test would be to get a diode and lamp in parallel to show the lamp lighting from the discharged current from the cell

basicaly adding lamps with diodes in series is possible to see where current is going thru

so again repeating my self the circuit is charging the cell and shorting the electrodes to each other ....

i was able also to gate it and control production...

now i need to get a more powerfull half bridge



Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2016, 17:50:50 pm

Meyer says, "We simply feed ordinary none processed water in here..." So can you explain why you are putting KOH in your cell?... have you given up? And another question, what was and/or are the MMW numbers so what you did can be compared to Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method?
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2016, 19:37:33 pm
yes. Inductive or capacitative.
It gives a spike charge back after turning the pulse off.
And it take a bit of time before it is charged up.
Some kind of counter emf....


Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2016, 22:55:17 pm
Even on electrolisys  the polarization effect occurs.

Sebosfato, Unlike charges do what?

Thats why you get reverse voltage after disconnect.
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 04, 2016, 23:51:33 pm
 well yes xblade but a capacitor should not do this... now an inductor would revert its voltage... maybe thats the point doubling the frequency...

i´m thinking that its having this reversal of voltage more because once the charges are set in motion they will want to keep in motion in the same direction so it reverses the voltage like the inductor...

TGS i´m doing tests... i found that adding this much KOH  generated lot of gas so i´m going with it... its rain water with KOH.. anyway.. with it it dont generate so much heat... meyer said it would work with sea water so maybe adding this koh helps bring this short condition...

the waveform Steve was indeed becoming negative so this mean that there is when the circuit opens a cloud of electrons on the postitive zone and a cloud of positive protons on the negative voltage zone.

i guess this reversal of voltage on the cell can do something....

Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 00:16:50 am
Sebosfato, a capacitor (an ideal) does not leak (only the minimum).

KOH is shorting the cell, it will not act as a capacitor, just like a resistance.

TGS is right, if you want to follow Meyer with cell acting as a capacitor you cant add chemicals, or it will "kill" your capacitor charge into a dead-short condition

"amp flow is not permited"
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 02:34:35 am
Yea so forget that Snow water, Seawater or rain water has no adverse effects on the cell...did Stan say that...? Maybe it was his brother....who knows....guess thats why there is so much success because it truly is a capacitor? ??
At least he's not trying to mimic rains acidity....but when he does ...oh boy.
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 09:43:01 am
well yes xblade but a capacitor should not do this... now an inductor would revert its voltage... maybe thats the point doubling the frequency...

i´m thinking that its having this reversal of voltage more because once the charges are set in motion they will want to keep in motion in the same direction so it reverses the voltage like the inductor...

TGS i´m doing tests... i found that adding this much KOH  generated lot of gas so i´m going with it... its rain water with KOH.. anyway.. with it it dont generate so much heat... meyer said it would work with sea water so maybe adding this koh helps bring this short condition...

the waveform Steve was indeed becoming negative so this mean that there is when the circuit opens a cloud of electrons on the postitive zone and a cloud of positive protons on the negative voltage zone.

i guess this reversal of voltage on the cell can do something....

Are you taking actual gas output measurements? for if not then you increase in gas output simply don't exist in the world of science as you have nothing to compare your results to in a measurable manor. You have to get some MMW numbers so you know just how well or poorly you are doing as only then can you actually see just were you stand toward Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method. Failure to take these much needed measurements means you are just monkeying around in my book. You need to know where you stand so you can make informed changes to get to where you want to be with Meyer's technology. And note to use KOH in a cell takes away the water's ability to restrict the flow of amps as it creates a dead short condition far greater than Meyer was dealing with using water out of the tap or even ocean water. That water will have close to zero resistance and in a situation like that current takes over not voltage.

You need to take a step back and stop wanting to make gas and focus on trying to reach the threshold for ionization like Meyer talks about us needing to do in some of his lecture videos. Anyone can get some gas out of these things but you will find that if you add a salt, acid, or base then you are making gases just the same as the typical electrolysis method is doing and if you would actually take the time to take measurements you would be able to verify what I am telling you is the truth. I took measurements of one of my 8xa setups and got a MMW of 3.0. Since then I have been able to improve upon my work but without taking any measurements how would I even know what it was I was doing and how would I be able to start asking the right questions? Stop wanting to just make gas and turn your efforts in reaching 1000 volts or more per resonant cavity like Stanley Meyer says we need to reach in order to get this technology up and working properly. Remember Meyer is using the water as a resistor adding KOH into the water is like taking a resistor out of a circuit and placing in a large gauge copper wire in its place.

Here is someone that is getting better results with an 8xa circuit than I was even getting but he wasn't taking any gas output measurements and eventually gave up on Stanley Meyer's technology altogether.

Now if you need to go back to the basics it's okay as there is no shame in doing so as it is best that you learn this stuff and not resort to monkeying around wasting time and money. Plus the springs you use to make contact with the tubes will not be able to take the amps you are trying to push into the system and will end up getting hot and melting the delrin housing you have them encased in.
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 10:37:12 am
Hey TGS

when i played with pure water i could get lot of voltage to water and at that point also a lot real lot of heat being generated no gas at all very few...

my tests with koh comes from the fact that meyer mentioned horvath as the best electrolysis patent... and horvath claim to generate fuel on demand withthis solution...

Also like Ks said any type of water should work according to meyer..

i will still try once and than the pure water system

i´m thinking that a ionized solution can be beneficial since the molecules are already half broken... (already OH- ions)

i see that a OH- ion will be easier to break than the whole molecule...

of course now that i´m working with reaL gas i´m planning what kind of flow meter i will use.. but i still dont have one.. anyway still my eyes can tell me if something different happen from the volume change as the gas is generated...´mtesting cells that are closed on one side.... having less than 15mlof water in it..


Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 11:14:07 am
as my new smal prototype is in acrylic i could verify that the electrical connectors also are not very good... they will arc under some conditions.. theres light and sound coming out of them when it happens... and they heat up...

so i will still try to improve them...

Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 13:33:42 pm
KS look into patent WO92/07871 that is the resonant cavity cell international patent:

"The resonance of any given volume of water maintained in the water capacitor cell is also affected by 'contaminants' in the water which act as a damper."

Do you know what is a damper on RLC  circuit?

I think this is clear to you now.

If all of you want to do electrolisys based on chemicals, then forget the coils and amp restriction. You cant do electrolisys without amp influxing, (non Meyer technology).
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 16:16:55 pm
You will need to get an amp meter that reads both positive and negative current flow as this technology works best when the B+ and B- voltages are equal as then there will be relatively no current flowing through the water fuel capacitor. But you must take gas output readings as it is the only way you can see what it is you are doing in comparative terms to that of Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method. Meyer's technology is for use with pure water for the most part as even through he said you can use salt water he himself never did so to the best of my knowledge on his work based on eye witness accounts.

They way this all works is separation of the molecules by way of ionization as it is no different than an ozone generator that does so by high voltage. Oxygen molecules go in get broken down into lone oxygen gas atoms and when out of the field quickly find a oxygen molecule to form ozone as they try to stabilize themselves. That is how this technology differs from Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method as here voltage is taking over and allowed to do work in the form of a high voltage potential difference which is what we are trying to expose on the water molecules. This is the reason for all the isolation in the build of the water fuel capacitors.

Now if you noticed something in the video that I posted of Spaceman's build the plate cells are made with a thick plate are really a bar and what this does is force the electricity to go through the water bath between the plates as the metal is a far better conductor than that of the water. You have to start to see these small things and go back and pull from the information that I shared with you.

Well, off to a little run for my health, take care.
TGS
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 16:29:42 pm
TGS i disagree with you.

There is no "negative amp influxing" since diode prevents that.

So, diode opens the circuit and there's no reverse current .

the voltage will be at the cell, dont mind about b+ and b- voltages. this is a series circuit what counts is the sum of voltages that reach the cell.

I may not undestand what you mean, please correct me if im wrong.

Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 20:07:55 pm
TGS i disagree with you.

There is no "negative amp influxing" since diode prevents that.

So, diode opens the circuit and there's no reverse current .

the voltage will be at the cell, dont mind about b+ and b- voltages. this is a series circuit what counts is the sum of voltages that reach the cell.

I may not undestand what you mean, please correct me if im wrong.

Okay I'll be nice this time.

The B+ and B- voltages will be shown on the screen of the oscilloscope. When they are equal there is little to no current flowing through the water fuel capacitor. Now when the amp meter starts to read backwards the electrons are starting to come from the water bath itself. I have seen it do this but it is not easy to get it to do so. The whole Meyer system is one that makes use of a high voltage potential difference so we are not looking to flow any amps through the water bath at all as the goal is just to place the water molecules in a high enough voltage potential to over come the electron attraction force better known as ionization. Once the electrons are taken away the molecules have nothing to hold them together and they simply fall apart as a result of taking away the electrons. This is how voltage is performing work as it is a physical process geared to get the electrons away from the atoms that make up the water molecules. No electron no water molecule, yes it is that simple, but it is not easy to place a high voltage potential difference on a bath of water as it is conductive. Add some sort of salt, acid, or base and it becomes even more conductive and ohms law lets us know just what is going to take place if that is done along with Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method calculations which is why it is imperative to get some MMW readings.

With Sebosfato I actually told him how it works but at the time when I was trying to teach him he was too busy in his own world to want to pay attention to what it was I was saying to him. The governing formulas for this technology aren't all that hard to work with but the hard part is learning what parts of the technology effect each of individual parts of the equations. It has taken me over ten years to figure out just how to make use of these equations on Meyer's technology and no they really aren't in the patents as it seems clear to me now Meyer did what he could to hide this technology and/or keep this technology from being stolen from him.

What Sebosfato is doing now is an act of desperation and by not taking any MMW readings he can then lie to himself and others about his results as nothing he is doing is quantifiable. It's the same as Max Miller and his crew for they will never make any MMW calculations so that no one can clearly evaluate their work and at the same time lie to themselves about how good they are doing as they go about putting on shows for everyone. In all this time the goal of reaching 1000 volts or more per resonant cavity is never talked about and some deem it not necessary when that is one thing Meyer tells us about the technology that is needed to make it work correctly. Thanks to Don Gable we all should know just how to wire up these VIC transformers to our Exciter Arrays but the hard part is trying to understand why it has to be hooked up that way. It is all these questions that need to be answered is what separates me from most any one else I as set out to answer these questions. A lot of people will ask question but very few will actually try and answer them for themselves looking towards others to answer their questions for them.

For me it is hard to believe it's been more than ten long years in dealing with this technology. It really goes to show that making use of the scientific method is truly a very long process indeed but it does allow some of those questions to be answered. One thing is painfully clear to me is our goals are the same as my goal is to reach 1kv or more to the individual resonant cavities and each time I found a way to increase the voltage to the exciter array for me it showed progress towards this goal. Well, I have a lot of work to do today so I best get to it.
Take care all,
TGS
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 20:54:58 pm
KS look into patent WO92/07871 that is the resonant cavity cell international patent:

"The resonance of any given volume of water maintained in the water capacitor cell is also affected by 'contaminants' in the water which act as a damper."

Do you know what is a damper on RLC  circuit?

I think this is clear to you now.

If all of you want to do electrolisys based on chemicals, then forget the coils and amp restriction. You cant do electrolisys without amp influxing, (non Meyer technology).

Is that the same one that says 5 gallons of water an hour will be split?
If OH -HO ions are contaminates then we got some major problems to figure out.
Impedance at resonance is 0.
What is a polarization process....
What if it acts more like a transisitor (aka "SWITCH) than a capacitor like his brother said.
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 22:42:05 pm
KS, first:

Polarization effect occurs when voltage potential attracts oposite charges from the molecule,
and this way i disagree again with TGS, because ionization is at higher level and i believe that it was used only on gas processor and the water injector system.

KS this is what polarization is, by Meyer words:
(http://s19.postimg.org/kb9qqbo2b/polarization.png)

The L2 is amp inibithing effect

This is from Thech Brief PDF:

(http://s19.postimg.org/5imng0olv/8xa.png)

This is not LC RESONANT at resonant frequency, this is a "DC RESONANT CHARGING" :

http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html (http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html)

Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 05, 2016, 23:23:55 pm
yes i´m kind of desperated.. its being 10 years i work into this technoogy and i see that it was a long time i didnt see any hydrogen so i started to see what i want for while. .not bad for me would not be for you too..

i already tell that i dont have the meter yet and wont be here to let my research being subvaliorized by anyone... 

i´m not going there into anyone thread and telling that you dont have this or that.. this is not the motivation behind the discussion.. but to talk about something that is happening

and that as i shared any of you can do the tests and take your conclusion based on facts not on just based on just beliefs...

hope you keep your goal to get 1kv per cell tgs... i did it and it didnt gave me any gas... i dont have to prove to anyone other than myself my accomplishments, but i use my tests to indicate me what is needed and what is not in order to make my goal .... i believe is good we have different aproachs..

now back to the subject i was thinking well the water should be connected to capacitors if i want it to real resonate since it is behaving like an inductor... dont you think?

Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2016, 01:21:03 am
KS, first:

Polarization effect occurs when voltage potential attracts oposite charges from the molecule,
and this way i disagree again with TGS, because ionization is at higher level and i believe that it was used only on gas processor and the water injector system.

KS this is what polarization is, by Meyer words:
(http://s19.postimg.org/kb9qqbo2b/polarization.png)

The L2 is amp inibithing effect

This is from Thech Brief PDF:

(http://s19.postimg.org/5imng0olv/8xa.png)

This is not LC RESONANT at resonant frequency, this is a "DC RESONANT CHARGING" :

http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html (http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/dcreschg.html)

You really need to look up the word IONIZATION as this is describing that action perfectly.
Ionization is the process by which an atom or a molecule acquires a negative or positive charge by gaining or losing electrons to form ions, often in conjunction with other chemical changes.
a. the formation of ions as a result of a chemical reaction, high temperature, electrical discharge, particle collisions, or radiation
b. (as modifier): ionization temperature; ionization current.

Now what is not told in the books is the actual action of something when it gets ionized. Oxygen molecules get ionized and then let go of their bonds as a molecule and revert to lone oxygen gas atoms. These atoms are highly unstable and will go to stabilize with the oxygen molecules floating around in the air supply. All of these things already take place in nature all around us to include water molecules being broken down into hydrogen and oxygen gas atoms by way of ionization. These things I have already shown the world let alone the group.

You see I observe things very closely and ask and answer questions. I perform experiments I take much time in the observations of these experiments and I also look to nature to see if I can find these things taking place naturally. Find them I did but you don't seem to impressed by these wondrous findings. But I like the fact that you are listening to Ronnie and his team as we share a lot in common in how we view this technology. Our true difference is the formulas we choose to work with and that is it. We read we study we experiment and we try and understand the results as best we can. But one thing is clear, none of us can say a darn thing about Meyer's technology unless we reach 1kv or more per resonant cavity as not until it is reached do we have something to stand on concerning this technology. The first to reach these voltages will be the only one that can say Na or ya on this technology and they will be the first to see if Meyer was telling us the truth or not.

Now as for you Sebosfato I reject your claims of high voltage as you clearly didn't have the proper equipment to be able to see anything of what you were putting to your cell. I already went out of my way to prove you didn't do any such a thing with the crowdfunding campaign. You didn't have the tools necessary for the job at hand back then and you still don't have the needed tools to even take proper MMW measurements. I told you long ago of the problem with your false claims but you didn't head my warnings as you told us all that you surpassed Meyer's voltage 1kv per resonant cavity by close to 5 times as 50kv volts divided by 11 equals 4545 volts per resonant cavity. The problem with you is you tend to lie too much as you can't duplicate these false efforts of yours to this date and show them to us with a scope shot or video of you getting just 25kv to your cell which may I remind you is half of what you told us you had gotten to your cell. You have the tools to show 30kv being applied to your cell but to this date you have only shown us around 2.4kv if I remember correctly.

If you Sebosfato can remember what I talked about and analyzed those formulas you might be able to get this technology working as it is all there. I was very upfront with you and I won a bet in that I knew already that you would not open your ears to the truth about this technology from me as someone else thought you would. I will not repeat what I told you as for me that was your one chance to surpass me as my funds are very low and I have to wait very long times between experiments as that is truly my one big weakness for it forces me to move very slowly. I know what I am saying right now is very hard to hear let alone take but the truth is often the pill that is the most hardest to swallow. If you want to see a part of the formula I talked to you about then look up my writings on the Aetherforce site. I did what I could for you but like most that I talk to something freely given is treated like worthless trash.

Now about your question no, I don't think so, as the goal is to just place a high voltage potential difference on the water molecules trapped between the resonant cavities which is just the same thing that other guy, Eccles I believe, was doing. Remember, thunder storms do this, plants do this, and air ionizers do this all these things I have went over about the true science behind the patents I posted for all to learn from. As these resonant cavities are behaving like some very leaky capacitors in my point of view and are being used as resistors in the over all Voltage Intensifier Circuit. My goals wont change as I am so close to reaching them now, darn heat wave stopping me from getting things done right now as it is simply too hot for me to be working outside in the lab right now. But I will say this, if the math on paper shows to be correct then this will finally be it for me as I redesigned the needed changes into the VIC transformer based on further understanding of the formulas I am using.
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2016, 01:43:00 am


now back to the subject i was thinking well the water should be connected to capacitors if i want it to real resonate since it is behaving like an inductor... dont you think?

yep.....couple it back to the primary,wich would be a carrier signal and modulate it with your input signal and control it all with the gating.
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2016, 01:48:05 am
i have two theories about why the cell present such behavior

the first is that there is current going on like 3,5amps is a lot of amps....so could be like an inductive efect

the second would be that negative ions and likely positive ions on the other side are acumulated during the pulses and when the electrodes are discharged the residual voltage is negative

i will try to only pulse and try to veryfy if it reverse the polarity too


the open up of  the circuit seems also priority from this perspective

Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2016, 06:29:54 am
Its possible to get a possitive pulse from the back emf.
This is the clearest picture i could get showing a little over 50v .I was using a AAA battery manually with clip leads across the coils getting this waveform on the lower leg.
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2016, 07:26:49 am
well yes xblade but a capacitor should not do this... now an inductor would revert its voltage... maybe thats the point doubling the frequency...

i´m thinking that its having this reversal of voltage more because once the charges are set in motion they will want to keep in motion in the same direction so it reverses the voltage like the inductor...

TGS i´m doing tests... i found that adding this much KOH  generated lot of gas so i´m going with it... its rain water with KOH.. anyway.. with it it dont generate so much heat... meyer said it would work with sea water so maybe adding this koh helps bring this short condition...

the waveform Steve was indeed becoming negative so this mean that there is when the circuit opens a cloud of electrons on the postitive zone and a cloud of positive protons on the negative voltage zone.

i guess this reversal of voltage on the cell can do something....

Your last remark here:
What can this negative pulse from a waterfuelcell do for us.
I can tell you what i did with it and also what Brian Coats aka hydrocars did with it.
We used this power to charge up our rotor coils of the alternator. The power was equal to 5v and 1 amp orso coming from my tubecell.

As brain teaser we also tought that it might had to do with the EEC. Extraction of electrons.
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2016, 08:09:05 am
in this perspective Steve than it would make sense the cells in series...

i´m still wondering how to use capacitors like if they were magnets in a manner as to use thevoltage fields without consuming the voltage
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 06, 2016, 22:50:34 pm
serries makes sense that way..... ive got feedback (auto tune)stuck in my mind.... thought you mite like this dudes expieriment:


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Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 07, 2016, 08:30:18 am
thanks Kevin. Nice spinning magnet with electrolysis  :)
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 08, 2016, 10:50:28 am
If we discharge a high voltage capacitor in this cell with 2 ohms a high current would result

Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 09, 2016, 02:32:19 am
If we discharge a high voltage capacitor in this cell with 2 ohms a high current would result

Is it possible to control the current with a dimmer light?
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 09, 2016, 10:04:13 am
a high voltage capacitive discharge would destroy an electronic dimer

if a pure capacitive discharge is allowed the current is only limited by ohms law... the instant current is V/R

i´m still concerned about the electric fields meyer talks about..
Title: Re: inductive behavior
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 09, 2016, 12:22:54 pm
Ten 4 on the dimmer not a good idea....thinking out loud 8)
Im hoping there's a way to use that current some kinda clever way....magnetically....Meyers was allways refering to restricting the amps ,more less allways saying thats what allowed the voltage to take over,may be a way to figure out how to restrict THAT current now that you actually have some current to restrict.? Idk, just thinking.It would seem if the polarization effect is correct how could any current flow?
What im working on right now (not Meyer's ) is a horseshoe electromagnet to store that current ,maybe rectify the back emf for the hv source from the windings of the horseshoe magnet.My little mini Herman cell electrodes attatched to each pole of the horsehoe.The effect Im after I think is related to Stans....Herman described his waveform as " in between a sawtooth and square BOX " indicating a blanced system ,same as Stans in a way.
I think a part we are missing with Meyer's and Herman is what ever it is that made the ribbon in Stans as his brother said it between the plates. ..I don't have his (Steves) interviews memorized but he said you could see it between Stans variable plate demo.Don fired it up but it didn't have that effect,it was missing something...like half of it.Nobody has demonstrated that part effectively have they?People can say what they want but like with Hermans...until somebody can demonstrate what should be a basic working principal of both systems success is just a double 4 letter word.
And the tornado with Hermans if the plates were to close.We all know the field lines are more less in a straight line between the plates with DC.We also know the vortex (tornado)happens when DC is applied to a magnet... there is a superposition we are missing.... something is missing and Herman said if you want to make it fast that part has to be right.I cant find anybody able to demonstrate a vortex or tornadoe or ribbon or what ever it is without using a magnet.Herman said you turn them(electrodes) into magnet and if they are to close.... vortex and nothing happens.(no gas)
Id deffinately be concerned with those electric fields too...i blew my Herman cell up one time....
my cell dont have any water above the electrodes like yours im guessing yours does.
SORRY FOR THE RANT but THANKS TOO :0)

Are you concerned about blowing it up?