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Title: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 09, 2013, 00:10:52 am
˜The first thing we did in the scientific area is that you aways got to learn to ask the right question!˜

Why have no one else thought of this technology before?

1 The knowledge will come at a time of great trouble!

2 The reason why Faraday didn't discovered the polarization process is that he would need several modern day inventions of prior knowledge. 

One thing that he needed was the invention of Stainless Steel which its inert to the process and thereto make of it a non self-destructing unite and you can expose the water molecules to electric fields and it won't add any chemicals to the water bath.

He said this and more on the new zealand house meeting:

How do we economically split the water molecules? Switching off the covalent bound and do it economically?

He than says that the second thing Faraday would have to know is that the bounding of water molecules is actually held by electrical attraction force and that this force is equivalent to the two shared electrons.! 

Stan said Faraday worked from a very crude battery cell setup where the short condition can't allow the voltage to take over and do the work.

Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 09, 2013, 08:16:19 am
Stan said Faraday worked from a very crude battery cell setup where the short condition can't allow the voltage to take over and do the work.

He said this and more on the new zealand house meeting.

He said that one of the inventions faraday would need to have to even think about his process were Stainless Steel. Since its inert to the process and thereto make of it a non self-destructing unite.

He than says that Faraday needed to know that water molecules are a dielectric materials and how this is related to the formation of the water molecule and its electrovalent characteristics.

Nice....



Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 09, 2013, 22:25:18 pm
I got a number for you: 4798661

Stan said in the new zealand film that horvath patent was the best patent ever made about electrolyzes... and make a citation in the patent with number above.

The info is coded into this patent. He cleverly describe the amp limiting device thru the lines... in a way that you think he is talking about something else. ..   
Title: Voltage Potential
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 10, 2013, 04:58:09 am
A student was thinking what if i use the water as dielectric would it be any good?

What about a 4 plate series 1mm per gap cell having high voltage applied but on two of the three cavities the water has no electrolyte...

Since the dielectric is 81 ? what s going to happen?

Title: Physics theory could be wrong?
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 10, 2013, 10:53:26 am
Well if the WFC technology don't work this means that physics has laws that are not correct.

Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 10, 2013, 18:04:38 pm
you  mean  if  it  works  .. :P  have  you  found  these  laws  yet?
Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 11, 2013, 00:11:08 am
No i mean if it don't work! Because according to physics law, restricting the amps and allow voltage to take over is possible in the way i mean it. The formula gives you that!

In short terms understanding the relation between the coefficients (characteristics) of the system as a whole is requirement for understanding the amp restriction !

To get amp restriction into play is not really obvious, but is incredible that any physics doctor discovered this before because of its simplicity.

This principle is totally obscure, and non obvious at all.

I'm not wiling to open it here in discussion. My intention is to make you think and maybe come up with other ideas.
 
Basically P=V*I so if yo have less I you expend less power to apply a given voltage level.

But the key is that water is a dielectric and has a 78,5 value
 
Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 11, 2013, 08:43:04 am
What do you mean?
More R  and less I ?

Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 11, 2013, 12:53:32 pm
The greater the Resistance the greater is going to be the amp restriction and lowers the power consumption. But there can be no voltage drop at this resistance.

According to my findings 10W is going to be enough for send the man to mars using water fuel.
Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 11, 2013, 23:01:50 pm
doesn't make sense ... >:( 3 hours wasted .. give more info voltage/E field drops with dielectrics, why in series?? the capacitors next to the electrolyte capacitor don't add anything....only act as resistors.
Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 12, 2013, 03:00:49 am
I'm going to start this tests probably tomorrow, because my prototype is not ready yet.

Basically, the voltage measured across the middle cell should be the same as on the others and they should share the same current because of the configuration. The voltage potential must be there in the middle if the amps are being correctly restricted.

Did you pulsed it? Measured the phase angles?

Well i can be wrong but it seems to me that is good way to go.

However they acted correctly if you applied dc... 

Your news make me worry, since i'm spending lot o time and money on this ideas...
Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 12, 2013, 07:44:51 am
Don't worry I didn't test it on practice , only tested the theory and I don't see how this can work.. maybe I'm wrong, anyway voltage is a good way to go.. spends less than regular current electrolysis..I've read that when you interrupt a dc spark you get overvoltage spikes that arent bemf..maybe you can apply this to your capacitors..


do you mean to instead of connecting +- +- +- plates in series you connect the capacitors +- -+ +-  that way you can physically increase the voltage potential ... so when the negative plates are right next to each other it will physically increase voltage of the water in the middle..ofcoursey you need an insulator in between.. although when connected to a dc source every cap should have same voltage as source...

Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 12, 2013, 10:17:51 am
Don't worry I didn't test it on practice , only tested the theory and I don't see how this can work.. maybe I'm wrong, anyway voltage is a good way to go.. spends less than regular current electrolysis..I've read that when you interrupt a dc spark you get overvoltage spikes that arent bemf..maybe you can apply this to your capacitors..


do you mean to instead of connecting +- +- +- plates in series you connect the capacitors +- -+ +-  that way you can physically increase the voltage potential ... so when the negative plates are right next to each other it will physically increase voltage of the water in the middle..ofcoursey you need an insulator in between.. although when connected to a dc source every cap should have same voltage as source...

Geon

The field outside a capacitor is ZERO!
Thereto connecting three capacitor in series having a lossy one in the middle will result in 2 caps charged and 1 uncharged since the charge pass thru it easily. This is the Very basics about capacitors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dielectric
Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 13, 2013, 00:45:15 am
 the edges of the capacitor have flux going through them..what you said is true for ideal capacitors which have infinite size...

if it can't hold a charge then it's not a capacitor but a conductor.. give more details please what are you trying to do?
Title: Re: Voltage Potential
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 13, 2013, 16:19:47 pm
A student was thinking what if i use the water as dielectric would it be any good?

What about a 4 plate series 1mm per gap cell having high voltage applied but on two of the three cavities the water has no electrolyte...

Since the dielectric is 81 ? what s going to happen?

A capacitor will pass a high frequency current.  So the cavity with electrolyte will function normally.  But will the non electrolyte cavities produce electrolysis?  If they do, then Meyer's plates can be insulated, still allowing the potential field to do its work.

This is an important enough question that the operation needs to be checked experimentally.
Title: Re: Several New Modern Inventions
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 13, 2013, 20:10:48 pm
Good points!

I'm Glad that you enjoyed it.

Title: Did anyone leaned something?
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 16, 2013, 21:20:45 pm
I did my tests and was not really successful, except for the fact that i learned more from it.

Did you got any results?

I couldn't arrive to a conclusion about why exactly it didn't work as described.

But i concluded that the physics they taught me in university is not enough to completely study this.  Since i'm needing to add terms that were never combined together during lessons. A doctor would be able to do it.. i guess... 

I wonder if the material was not good since was SS430

If the size were too small for the comparison

If there was screening of charge interfering...

and so on

Basically If the conductivity is high the electric field must be low... at least is what it seems!