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Title: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 14, 2009, 19:58:37 pm
Hi Sebosfato,

Here is your own projectsection. Here you have moderator rights and that way you can create, remove, move posts and topics.
Here you are in control of all written messages.

Steve
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 15, 2009, 00:44:34 am
Hello guys, Thank you for this space and i hope to help you understand what was really stanley meyer doing.

1° of all however you may think what i'm talking about doesn't relate to stanley meyer technology the reason of this is that Stanley didn't leave to us precise information on how the thing really works. He created a some concepts to confuse everyone.

I'm going to point the real good clues he left.

1n1198 diode
This is a high amperage diode. Was non sense to have a transformer where you have 40kv 1ma using this diode so it may be used for different thing that was my 1° thought.
40kv 1ma
40 watts
This gives to us very important information that is the load have 40Mohms of impedance.
10khz at this frequency the values for inductance and impedance are very practical values.
Voltage intensifier circuit Very similar to Resonant tank circuit Which also at the resonant frequency become a very high impedance because of the reactances of the capacitor and inductor and minimize to a minimum input amperage and maximize voltage.

A resonant tank is what is it called like. Is like a AC battery At the resonant frequency the inputed current flows from the inductor to the capacitor and vice versa and for every cycle it becomes bigger until it reach the limit of power the transformer can input. 

It Recirculates many Kwatts of power. For example you can have 1amp recirculating for say and depending on the inductance to capacitance ratio you have more voltage per amp recirculating. For example if you maintain the capacitor the same and change inductance to a bigger value you will have more voltage to amp current. And here it is the amp restriction meyer was talking about.

The input transformer Or Vic :
This is a transformer designed to drive your tank. For example if you want to drive a 40Mohm load or our resonant tank. You need to have the impedance transformation of the transformer to match load as to have maximum power transfer. Hopefully i already designed a sheet of calculations on exel that give al the values you need very easy to understand.

Just choose Inductance, Capacitance, Input voltage from the battery,series resistance of the components in the tank. And you just observe the values.

I also designed a pll circuit that is quite replicable and you can see clearly.
 

Ocean water, river water, tap water, snow water, however he stated that any water can work.

Thats why i think he used the water in series with the tank because is impossible to have a high Q tank with the water in parallel. So it is in series.  The switching diodes (here is high current diodes used) allow the current to flow only in one direction so i use two and two cells that are connected in antiparallel configuration between an inductor and a capacitor connected in parallel. Just as simple as this is impossible.

Stanley talked about solderable coating on the wire. This mean that he was making Litz wire for his resonant inductor.

All his calculations showed on his memo are on the exel sheet.


I already have simulated this theory in a software called multisim and the values of the calculations are right everything also confirmed in practical tests.  So it works.

Now i'm getting better components litz wire high Q toroids and constructing a big cell for start measuring the production.

I discovered that hot water would work a little better because the voltage needed for electrolysis goes down for a bit and i something makes think that pressure will influence in it too. So in the electrolysis process you can absorb energy from the environment.

Oh i forgot to say the water don't get hot during this electrolysis so the heat must be provided by the motor, sun or the like.
If you think about stan used a water heater too.

end of 1° post start of a new way of thinking.

 


 

 
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 15, 2009, 06:59:55 am
You can believe whatever you want thats your choice. However i'm asking for donation and that is not a scam i just need money to finish my research i lost my job and just can't stop now as you see i'm too close. I released an information that you and all the others even working for years with this technology always had under your nose and never checked it or never could understand it. However how much did you spent on your research? I already spent in the last almost 4 years about 15.000 euros on material not counting house rent food and bills because i passed almost all my time in this years working on this. So do you really think is insulting? I think that is just a possibility to have a kind of help to make me finish before i normally could with only my situation of money now. So good that you remembered me this. If any of you are interested in help in any way you can do a donation or buy from me pll units constructed by me. Or transformer, resonant inductors ... just to help my project. I know all of you have spent a lot of money and you know as i that 90% of that was completely useless, stainless steel wire and the like 300$... tomorrow i'm going to spent 200 euro only for an inductor and some wire to further tests... You see, why money is needed? do you understand now?

I think might not be a problem to put also here a link for the donations for those who can and want to help me: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=ERQSHHBGWC5P2&lc=GB&item_name=Bring%20power%20to%20the%20people&currency_code=EUR&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donateCC_LG_global%2egif%3aNonHosted


and i will leave here the link of the thread on energetic forum for those who want now to know everything i'm talking about before i can write it all again here. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4617-stanley-meyer-true.html Take the time to read everything and please don't tell me without understanding that what i'm talking about is wrong or non related to meyers technology or high voltage no amps and the like because this is a signal that you have not read what i wrote, on the other thread i had this problem even on the 1° page. 
Of course i'm releasing more information here too. But is important for you if you want to understand you might read read and read i took many time to understand and i'm giving it to you already very digestible information but at least you must read as many times as you can. Like how i did all over my research to reach this point.   
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 19, 2009, 02:18:48 am
Got to say... made more tests yesterday and not good results with the new toroidal core i tried. I'm going to try other core materials and types to see witch one is better. The best effect i had until now was using 10 ferrite rod pieces 1 cm diameter together with a kind of litz wire i made with ,8mm wire about 10 strands. Ferrite heat up a lot and about 450 volts at 20 amps obtained using only about 80W. So i'm going to make a big one with 10 entire rods and see if its better than anything i did before. If any of you know anything about please any input would be nice.

Hi steve, thanks for the advice but i'm going to leave these posts there for now... if i think is too confuse i'll clean it.

I'm going to make a video this days to show it to you. i'm waiting to reach a better effect than i already had have on previous experiments, to make it.

Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 19, 2009, 10:51:11 am
Donald the only thing is that you have a power factor of almost zero because voltage and current are out of phase. That is called the recirculating power.
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 19, 2009, 12:25:44 pm
Hello warp i believe that this tank circuit is very interesting because it can develop very high power recirculating or many energy recirculating and perhaps energy can attracts energy in somehow or can have the intelligence of multiplying it self in a certain condition.
We know that inside the water and air we have many bounds being created and changing all the time to do this they need energy and release energy, nature sun whatever provides the energy needed. I think over unity way is to create a very high recirculating power density with elements witch interact with the air or water that is able to absorb energy and direct it to a desired load showing a gain in work done. In the case of the electrolysis we have a limit witch equal 100% energy input = 100% energy output so if we can do it 1000 times better we have over unity right.   
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 19, 2009, 12:26:17 pm
Well even if they are out of  phase , if you had a battery it would still be drained by this , even tho dissipated heat would be low . But If those VA are producing huge amounts of gas than that is still better than a rotary pulsing that wastes 2000 watts to excite 10 watts of gas .

Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2009, 02:39:48 am
with the same power.
Like stan said 40kv 1ma = 40w but
4000 amps at 10mv = 40W too.
Allow voltage to take over in a dead short condition.


40kv 1ma, Large electric Fields small electromagnetic fields. Small amount if any heat due to current, *~*~*~*~*~*~*~
4000 10mv,Small Electric fields, Large Electromagnetic Fields. Large amounts of HEAT due to current, Larger gas

1. Wiresize requirements Small.
2. Wiresize requirements Big.

Keep This for an extra Bullet.
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2009, 12:22:05 pm
Yes warp what we are trying to do here is to find the exact proportion of current to voltage i believe for some reasons accordingly with my calculations that we would need at least 10.000 volts per ampere or about 5 amps and 50kv. to be able to split the water by voltage field passing and not only the current passing thru it. I think stan holds true for now. He said clearly " i have to use about 5 amps big deal" I think he said this because this would be the responsible for dissipation within the coil. If he said 40 w he had probably 1,6 ohms of resistance counting water and wire resistance. because Watts=I^2*R

I reached 450 volts at 20 amps recirculating and huge production of h2 and water always remain cold because there is no over potential. However i'm going to try with hot water again to see how much the min voltage is lower. I read that electrolysis depends on temperature because part of the energy to break the bound is directly used from heat. So min voltage can be lower than faraday prediction because he considered clearly ambient temperature. If you go to 100° celsius thing get little different. Probably thats why stan used pressure. Pressure wont let the water to evaporate because the boiling point become higher than 100°.   
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2009, 13:08:47 pm
Also he said gave us the impedance of the resonant coil +-10 k ohms. 5 amps * 10.000 R = 50kv... He said about the stainless steel would be good for providing a good signal without much noise or something like that. because probably he used it as filter chokes to not allow the transformer to resonate.

try my calculations and observe the values of impedances when you change the component values then tell me if i don't seem to have found what was he talking about.
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2009, 13:54:37 pm
You can believe whatever you want thats your choice. However i'm asking for donation and that is not a scam i just need money to finish my research i lost my job and just can't stop now as you see i'm too close. I released an information that you and all the others even working for years with this technology always had under your nose and never checked it or never could understand it. However how much did you spent on your research? I already spent in the last almost 4 years about 15.000 euros on material not counting house rent food and bills because i passed almost all my time in this years working on this. So do you really think is insulting? I think that is just a possibility to have a kind of help to make me finish before i normally could with only my situation of money now. So good that you remembered me this. If any of you are interested in help in any way you can do a donation or buy from me pll units constructed by me. Or transformer, resonant inductors ... just to help my project. I know all of you have spent a lot of money and you know as i that 90% of that was completely useless, stainless steel wire and the like 300$... tomorrow i'm going to spent 200 euro only for an inductor and some wire to further tests... You see, why money is needed? do you understand now?

I think might not be a problem to put also here a link for the donations for those who can and want to help me: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=ERQSHHBGWC5P2&lc=GB&item_name=Bring%20power%20to%20the%20people&currency_code=EUR&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donateCC_LG_global%2egif%3aNonHosted


and i will leave here the link of the thread on energetic forum for those who want now to know everything i'm talking about before i can write it all again here. http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/4617-stanley-meyer-true.html Take the time to read everything and please don't tell me without understanding that what i'm talking about is wrong or non related to meyers technology or high voltage no amps and the like because this is a signal that you have not read what i wrote, on the other thread i had this problem even on the 1° page. 
Of course i'm releasing more information here too. But is important for you if you want to understand you might read read and read i took many time to understand and i'm giving it to you already very digestible information but at least you must read as many times as you can. Like how i did all over my research to reach this point.

Hi Sebosfato,

Thank you for sharing these idea's and your schematic.
I had a good look at it and just 1 question came up.
You have in serie with the 2 tubes one capacitor, which you describe as one in the nano farad range.
Now you also explain that you have up to 20 amps running thru the tubes in a continues matter.
Meaning the 20amps should go thru that nano capacitor? Such a small cap cannot hold so much charge in my opinion.

Can you explain where and how you measure the 20amps?


Best regards
Steve





Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2009, 14:25:54 pm
Quote from SF on the energetic forum:

Do you remember guys when i talked about the infinity circuit on the stabley meyer explained thread that i said it should work with the same principle of the van de graff? I think i found the reason meyer used the positive electrode on the outside and why the cylindrical and bow configurations are preferred. You must see this video YouTube - Lec 8 | MIT 8.02 Electricity and Magnetism, Spring 2002 at 46 min and understand how a van the graff works to understand how the kinetic energy of the electrons repelling force is used to perform the electrolysis. I got up to 450 volts and about 5 amps here and a lot of gas being produced with the positive electrode being the outside one. I'm using about 70 watts from a 12v battery.


@SF
I love that professor. He is dutch, just like me. I can tell you guys out there. You never find a better professor then this dude! Go follow his leasons on youtube!

SF, you made a good point there. That is a very plausible explanation on why the positive must be on the outertube!

Thanks.

Steve
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2009, 14:30:29 pm
SF,

How many wraps do you have on the primary and secondairy of your transformer?

Steve
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 20, 2009, 17:23:00 pm
Ok
Steve is very nice that you are reading what i've written. Thanks. Ok the capacitor is in the nano faraday range and yes it can run up to 20 amps easily in the audio range actually i think is possible to also use only 5 amps the way i described with a very high Q and impedance matched. I bough one a 125pf capacitor vacuum which was rated almost 300 amps at 30mhz 55kv but it arrived broken just to demonstrate that the important is not only the value but also the frequency and voltage and in our case also the series and parallel resistances and dielectric losses come out into the moment of choosing the resonant capacitor. I'm using an mmc now because i don't have more money for capacitors right now. However every inductor i'm trying i'm trying with diferent configuration of capacitors to check the effect at different frequencies. The transformer i'm trying with many many many diferent turns configurations from primary 2 to 100 and secondary from 10 to 1000. However i'm having trouble with practical doing it because for my calculations on simulation holds true but practically is being hard to find a fit to all configuration. I make many taps and start trying and regulating the frequency to remain in resonance. I read the voltage and check witch tap is better. However i tried 32 awg for secondary and was very bad is better to use about 0,5mm or 0,8mm for the voltage inducement second my experiences.
Regards
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2009, 04:23:18 am
I know stan talked about his bifilar chokes and how wonder it can be but the only mention on real books to bifilar I have had is that is a way to wound toroidal transformers and it give you the same inductance but this kind of winding causes you to have lower capacitance because the leads are far from each other. It's generally used in high frequency transformers or inductors and this allow you to have a higher Q

Whenever you have your secondary connected to a diode to the ground in one of its sides you will have a reference so if you pulse it in one direction you will have negative voltage otherwise you will have positive. This is how ion generators work. However I'm not connecting the tank to the ground.

Bifilar is also known as two inductors wired in parallel. But I don't think stan did it that way because of the insulation needed between turns so. You can't have 40kv between two wires is impossible it will inevitably short.

If you think a bit stan said 200 turns for the resonant coil. Why 200? with 200 turns at 40kv you have 200v between each turn (reasonable value thinking about insulation)  He said 10kohms impedance so now you just need to find the right capacitor value to allow you to have a frequency where your inductance get around that. Check the calculations is not as hard as you might imagine.

Stanley described nysol insulation commonly used in litz wire for easy soldering.

I tried the ferrite toroidal core yesterday and found it to not work maybe because it saturated or maybe the losses are to much for that core. I'm rolling a very huge inductor with antenna ferrite cylindrical about 15 glued together  about 6 cm long. I'm using a litz wire i made with 0,8mm wire about 12 strands. about 30 meters of wire. 1,4kg I'm using mylar between layers to insulate and to reduce the capacitance and high voltage insulation tape to fix the sides. I have about 12 or 13 turns per layer. I made like this because i found that the inductance of this iron powder and ferrite for high frequency behaves almost like an air core. Because the shape of the inductor changes the inductance values even with the same number or turns in my case. So i'm doing it to as short as possible and as fat as possible.

And i'm going to try also the iron powder  toroid i got here but is quite small and i can't put many turns on it.
 
I would like to buy a E core that you can adjust the gap to control saturation. It costs a bit and my transformer manufacture "friend" that is already helping a lot can't give it to me for free for now.

He thinks is better to have less turns and higher permeability instead i have a strong believe from the test results and from myself that more turns and iron powder could be the solution.


You must understand that the movement of the current is independent of the direction of the turns i mean if you wrap a toroidal transformer you understand it. The current passing thru the wire pass in a circular motion thats why it induce current on the transformer. It don't flow from start to to end like would be more obvious. So it doesn't matter the direction of the wrap you can go and come back and go or wound always in one direction is your decision. Remember whenever you have the two leads close you have more interwinding capacitance Worst for high frequency.

http://www.beigebag.com/case_xfrmer_4.htm
http://powerelectronics.com/mag/power_why_air_gap/
http://electrical-riddles.com/topic.php?lang=en&cat=4&topic=189

 
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 21, 2009, 12:34:51 pm
Thats very interesting Steve thanks. I'm going to check if the materials are available around here. Oh nice to know you are dutch forgot to say.

In this case i'm going to construct the coil former in a way that water remain inside this way i provide a water refrigeration of he coil. At the same time the heat is used on the process seems promising.

There is also an option to use SS rods. Or the rods used by welding.

Steve

Hi Steve can you explain how to me?  Any link to it or something about it?

Thanks

Nice reading on eddy currents loss on windings http://www.smps.us/magnetics.html
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 22, 2009, 08:19:41 am
i was checking again the memos and found that stan provided an rectangular cross section, air coil calculation. And he also say optimize distributed capacitance and inductance to intensify inductance field strength. This make me think about toroidal air bank or progressive sector winding
http://focus.ti.com/lit/ml/slup125/slup125.pdf
http://books.google.com/books?id=hFSxaSPudp4C&pg=PA55&lpg=PA55&dq=progressive+winding&source=bl&ots=z0Oi27By4H&sig=rGWp7w6vwKA3iYx88hfElPFI1Ec&hl=pt-BR&ei=xAXgSrngIZqhjAfx0sFu&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CDMQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=progressive%20winding&f=false


Regards

Guys sorry but i cleaned up few posts witch weren't much related to this topic for better understanding of new users ;) , hope you don't mind... I want you all to continue this discussion as i don't ignore anything. Welcome to the Future 8)
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 26, 2009, 09:23:31 am
 ;D

Well the yellow was 9 amps being consumed at about 12 volts
The blue was 570 volts and being the effective inductance about 1,4 mh and capacitor around 90nf the frequency was about 15khz so the recirculating current was about 5 amps. this totalize around 3000kw of recirculating power. Wow

however didn't reach yet the effect i wanted, I'm going to design higher inductance coil and lower but more powerful capacitor to maintain the Resonant frequency around 5 to 10 khz. thats the way i'm  already sure.

If you can really help me with a donation https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_donations&business=ERQSHHBGWC5P2&lc=GB&item_name=Bring%20power%20to%20the%20people&currency_code=EUR&bn=PP%2dDonationsBF%3abtn_donateCC_LG_global%2egif%3aNonHosted would be very good as i would like to construct this new inductor this week but it will cost me about 200 euros again because about 4 kilograms of special wire will be needed. Coil former and insulation mosfets blowed...

I'm releasing here the automatic air coil calculation i mentioned about the formula stan provided.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductor

On stanley meyer demo is the Eq 20.






   
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2009, 09:15:29 am
I finally understood why meyer talked about distributed inductance and capacitance. This is also related to air coils. And the concern is to know the isolation between turns. Meyer tell us 3kv isolation wire. Ok  a transformer have a difference of voltage between turns that is dictated by the number of turns in the other hand,

an air coil will not have the same voltage difference between turns in the first and last layer for example. Because inductance of an air coil is dependent ^2 to the diameter too. So to have a good distribution of the voltage thru the turns you might prefer to have a internal diameter bigger. However inductance will be the same but you would need less turns and less layers for say. So the difference of inductance of the first layer to last is small.

Distributed capacitance should be the minimum around all the coil to not allow for example that the resonant frequency of the outer turns to be lower than the resonant frequency of the tank. Progressive winding is needed for this.

Oh boy

Regards

Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2009, 13:37:18 pm
keep going! i am liking your perspectives seb...
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on October 30, 2009, 13:52:23 pm
oh boy...:-)

I agree here with outlaw. Keep on going Sebos!
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 05, 2009, 04:42:46 am
 ;)
update

air coil calculation was wrong. I corrected it and added a wire length estimative. You just select the wire diameter in centimeters and number of turns it than gives you how many turns per layer you will have, select the layers number to equal the number of turns, in the end we want b=c. It also gives you the eternal and internal diameter in inches and cm.
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 05, 2009, 11:50:48 am
the voltage difference between the 2 chokes is progressive: minimum at the first winding, maximum at the last - the 3kv/mil is enough for the last 40kv diff windings.
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 06, 2009, 02:02:59 am
The reason the chokes increase the voltage is because of inductive reactance, so you can increase the turns to increase the inductive reactance. Inductive reactance is what restricts the current , and allows the voltage to grow up.

Both of the chokes are in series with the cell,

The secondary and the two chokes can be thought of as one large secondary coil in parallel with the cell.

Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2015, 15:20:24 pm
HEY GUYS

LONG TIME HAS GONE

i´m back to the origins somehow...

what are you understanding today about this schematic i proposed on the first posts of this thread?

(http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1216.0;attach=4930)
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2015, 15:31:27 pm
today i would look at the electric fields involved not just current..
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2015, 15:32:38 pm
I liked that setup..
I even tried it and it works.
Resonance is real here.
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2015, 15:42:40 pm
yes bro that thing kind of had its merit...

i remmeber we chating about it...

i end up in my theory to the begining, and started to investigate if my feeling at the time wasnt right...

actualy i think this setup creates a closed loop for the electric fields at the time and so i start to fell it now the same way.... but i want to oscillate with voltage now

what do you think about?
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2015, 18:28:52 pm
You mean with starting at low voltage and a minimum of amps...restricting amps as much as possible?
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2015, 20:11:21 pm
in our tests i remember we used current to oscilate  the reaction... 

the solution was even saturated... i believe than that we could instead just send the high voltage but restricting the amps.. using an even lower capacitance... the parasitic one...
Title: Re: sebosfato projects
Post by: Login to see usernames on September 06, 2015, 23:18:58 pm
Not sure Fabio, if this is the way
 But i am also lacking braincells to point out the right one........
Maybe hunt for ac resonance.....and ac hydrogen production...