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Dankie:

--- Quote from: CrazyEwok on January 21, 2010, 04:45:20 am ---your question on not knowing what resonance he is talking about...
What if he was talking about harmonic resonance??? your already causing the tubes to vibrate... maybe that is what the "grooves" were cut in the pipes for...
On the other note the grooves could simply be there for one of his many "add in's" to confuse anyone trying to replicate his work.

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That shape probably opens up the exit point in an advantageous manner for the gas to exit , Who can imagine he crazy waves at that end point , echoing criss crossing etc ... It might change the dampening factor of those tubes , if they are to vibrate physically there wil be a resonance and a dampening  .

This is not something you can answer without being there and compare the two.

As for the comments of Outlaw , the gating and the pulsing frequency could be working in tandem . I have tought of that before myself . Is that what you were trying to communicate outlaw ?

That pulse train might appear as its own frequency . Quite similar to amplitude modulation but easier to accomplish . But that would be very cryptic since Stan always says how he controls gas volume by getting more gate time .

nomoegas:
JUST A THOUGHT ON THE NOTCHED TUBES, WITH A REGULAR CAPACITOR THE PLATES NEED TO BE MATCHED OR ARCHING THROUGH THE DIALECTIC OCCURS. STAN MAY HAVE BEEN MATCHING THE VOLTAGES BETWEEN THE TUBES TO  MAINTAIN  HIGH FIELD STRENGTH BEFORE A CONTROLLED  DISCHARGE.......JUST A THOUGHT

Hydrocars:
Have you guy's came to realize how to make the tubes actually vibrate yet?

Here's a Equation that only pertains to air flow, "Not Water."

CFM = Area * Velocity

Take for example a square duct. Say the duct is 4" x 4" and has an area of 16 square inches. 16"
To Use such a formula, Area Inches must be converted to Area Feet. Here is the Equation.

16" / 144 = 0.11111111111111111111111111111111 Cubit feet

Now that we Have the Area in feet, we can now use the equation mentioned like so.


CFM = Area * Velocity
0.11111111111111111111111111111111 * 700 = 77.7 CFM

This Equation Is based on 100 Foot of Duct, Not 8 or 14 foot.

The Point is, If the Velocity Gets to high then things tend to "Vibrate." And it can get violent and cause all sorta problems! They're Called Velocity Limits.

I have also other Equations, For Example... Say you wanted a velocity of X with an 8" tall tube. Well then what should the CFM be threw the tube to cause such velocity to happen?

Things also tend to have Velocity Limits, When constructing certain devices it has to be taken under consideration, Or else violent vibrations may go into affect.

If in your mind, you could take a moment to imagine a short tube with water being forced threw it, Would it then be possible for the tube to vibrate? Imagine a micro tube, and a micro vibration. All though The Equations aren't linked with water flowing threw a tube they can be, and they probably already have been.

The Equations that I know is Equations that I Created, I'm not saying they're not out there, They can be found if you know how to read very techniqal Equations, With symbols that will blow your mind. For me, I created my own rather than having to deal with their unknown symbols. My Equations are correct and Blunt.

My Current Equations for reverse engineering the above is digitaly stored, and at this time I cant seem to access them. I'll post if needed. What equations am I speaking of?

Example; Build me a duct that will have an output of 400 CFM with an Velocity of 700. This Duct Has to be 8 Foot in length. I have equations for that.

You could very well incorporate this into the wfc. One could take these and learn the water formulas, You could learn allot about vibrating tubes when water flows threw them.

What you Want to know, You want to know the Velocity Limit of a Particular Tube, You want to Exceed that limit to cause the tube to go into vibration.

webmug:

--- Quote from: Donaldwfc on January 21, 2010, 00:53:23 am ---That picture I posted, those two parts would be made out of delrin with a 3" OD, there is a 1" hole for the outer tube 3" long, with this you can choose any gap you want by the thickness of the outer tube and then you can see the half inch holes for the longer 1/2" inner tube. So it will be a completely incased and insulated cell. I've made mental adjustments to my design to make it simpler, and to set it up for a water pump to force water through the bottom. Also a 3" OD acrylic tube will mount on the top of what is shown, for gas viewing, and then a simple delrin cap on top of that. For the electrical connections I'll just do it like Dynodon mentioned, a bolt that goes in and touches the side of each tube.

Have you seen Dynodon's Cell? It's a nice cell and a good example. When do you plan on having this cell running?

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First I want to make it simple, just one design. Two identical cavities but half sized clued on top of each other.
Thus water input at the bottom and gas output at the top of the delrin cavity.
Important is that the tube and rod are isolated from the outside water bath. This cavity could be put into a vase...
I want to see if this cavity can preform as a capacitor with water as dielectric.

For the resonance part...Stan writes that the cavity can resonate at a multiple numbers of frequencies (harmonics) so there is not one.

I read multiple times that the RVIC tubes-set is compared with a "Resonance Cavity Cell"
I think this is false. The RVIC tubes-set is not a resonance setup. Try it yourself to maintain resonance manually with a variable capacitor (remember the potential values, larger field more gas, less current)

The RVIC and the PLATE WFCs are only made to demonstrate the different process to plain electrolysis for getting patents.
Stan made big improvements to the used polarization method. This produced the resonance idea and from this ultimately the Injector system.

I think the so called Tube notching on top of the tubes for the RVIC setup are gas flow vents or something? Not resonance fine tune notch...don't see how a notch is made at the side of the outer tube in a cavity...I am open for other theories.

br,
webmug

Dankie:

--- Quote from: webmug on January 21, 2010, 12:30:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: Donaldwfc on January 21, 2010, 00:53:23 am ---That picture I posted, those two parts would be made out of delrin with a 3" OD, there is a 1" hole for the outer tube 3" long, with this you can choose any gap you want by the thickness of the outer tube and then you can see the half inch holes for the longer 1/2" inner tube. So it will be a completely incased and insulated cell. I've made mental adjustments to my design to make it simpler, and to set it up for a water pump to force water through the bottom. Also a 3" OD acrylic tube will mount on the top of what is shown, for gas viewing, and then a simple delrin cap on top of that. For the electrical connections I'll just do it like Dynodon mentioned, a bolt that goes in and touches the side of each tube.

Have you seen Dynodon's Cell? It's a nice cell and a good example. When do you plan on having this cell running?

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For the resonance part...Stan writes that the cavity can resonate at a multiple numbers of frequencies (harmonics) so there is not one.

br,
webmug

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Where did you read that again ?

Plz quote me this document .

What was that theory again warp of your efficient RVIC discovery that turned out to be not working apparently ?
 That old story of yours remember ? God dam you tried hard with that thing ... Dam ol Warp  ;)

That RVIC was car powered , or gas motor powered, not electric motor powered . Nobody is gonna turn an RVIC at more than 400 hz with a house current motor .

I made a superior power supply to test those 3 phase concepts that you can all purchase soon .

What was that theory again warp ?

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