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Re: Impedance Matching
« Reply #48 on: May 02, 2009, 20:48:50 pm »
hahah that doesn't even work like that.

nice try though.

outlawstc is wrong in his amplitude from 0-12 in a step manner there are no sawtooth shaped wave forms going into the system......they are naturally formed inside the capacitor.....step charging naturally happens when you charge a capacitor......look it up.

if you were to do it as outlawstc says in a sawtooth manner then there would be a complete failure in the magnetic field of the inductor.....a square wave holds more energy then a sawtooth....a sawtooth wave hits it's peak at the very last second then instantly drops......a sqaure wave instantly hits its peak then drops after it's pulse is over.....thus the magnetic field in the inductor is activated instantly and charged on the square wave at a much much much better efficiency then a input sawtooth.....all a sawtooth will do is skew the entire system to be inefficient......TRY IT AND SEE FOR YOURSELF.

YOUR JUST RUNNING FROM THE INEVITABLE YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT UNTIL WHEN YOU TRY IT AND SEE THAT I AM RIGHT.

so please show me where i am wrong once again.

this is not a game.

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Re: Impedance Matching
« Reply #49 on: May 03, 2009, 02:26:29 am »
this is what stan has to say.....notice is says across the water capacitor plates.....not the primary or the inductor.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/stepcharging.jpg)

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Re: Impedance Matching
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2009, 02:40:09 am »
that also matches up with this picture you posted in the other thread, it says positive voltage potential

it also lines up with the vic drawings that show the bottom choke separated from the secondary and connected to it's own ground

and on a similar note to polarity of pulses, check out this circuit too, say each of those load resistors showing the opposite unipolar pulses were each side of the wfc... and it looks like a voltage sync

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Re: Impedance Matching
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2009, 16:44:30 pm »
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webers (or magnetic energy) increases, with each pulse more energy in core, as a result voltage steps up on output. In this case, the step charge could be seen on the output without a wfc connected:

this is not how inductors work.....it would be lovely but hte magnetic field reaches full strength then drops creating a second pulse......then on the next on pulse creates the same magnetic field and then drops the magnetic field again.

it doesn't consistantly increase it's magnetic field strength each time there is a pulse.....the inductor acts as a pump.....up and down up and down at a certain frequency.

think of it like a flat board in a pool of water going up and down.....it creates waves......those waves are reflected back and if it goes up and down at the right time it will create larger and larger waves ...this is RESONANCE.

inductor is the static pump.

capcitor is the dynamic increasing reflections

play with a circuit program and make the circuit in resonance....you will see.

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Re: Impedance Matching
« Reply #52 on: May 03, 2009, 17:01:04 pm »
Ok, how do you interpret the compounding effect in the above quote?


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Re: Impedance Matching
« Reply #53 on: May 03, 2009, 18:01:23 pm »
well when dc current is sent into a capcitor via pulses (unfiltered dc) it will naturally step charge the capacitor.....so let's say that you have 5 pulses of 650 volts per pulse train.

the first pulse will go into the cell and take the cell from 0 volts to 130 volts.

the second pulse will take it from 130 votls to 260 volts.

the third pulse will take it from 260 volts to 390 volts.

the fourth pulse from 390 to 520.

and the fifth and final pulse will be from 520 to 650.

then the pulse train is gated off and the capacitor discharges it's stored energy and does work on the off stage also.

now at resonance although your input pulse may have a max amplitude of 650 volts reosnance may take it much higher.


you could continue with more pulses say 8 pulses per train......but every pulse after your 5th pulse having a max amplitude of 650 volts will still be 650 so the 6th pulse will be 650 the 7th will be 650 andthe 8th will be 650.....this is hte limit.....the limit depends on the energy in the pulse and the water itself.

SERIOUSLY THIS IS NO MYSTERY IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT FOR YOURSELF......take a 50% square wave.....step it up through a transformer full wave rectify it and put it into your cell once you see the signal on your scope then begin to gate it........you will see step charging.....DO THIS SO THERE WILL BE NO MORE CONFUSION.

a capacitor doesn't jsut magically jump to a number.....it has to charge......and it does it in incremental steps.......it is in so many youtube videos on peoples meters......if you look at that visually on a scope you will see the step charging waveform.

hence capcitor chargeing and discharging equations.

becuase capacitors don't just go poof 40,000 volts.

LOOK AT THE IMAGE

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y2/kinesisfilms/stepfcuhcakrging.jpg)

the pulse train in the background is what goes into the cell but the waveform that is created across the plates due to the dialetric is the step charging effect.......a capacitor chargesssss damnit.......and it does it in steps.

and if you hook up your 2 probes one to hte input and one to the tubular plates you can actually recreate this exact image.

you need to make the effort to learn this for yourself.

start experimenting......you will never understand if you don't physically do it.

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Re: Impedance Matching
« Reply #54 on: May 03, 2009, 19:11:42 pm »
Alan i think that is a comment directly on the bifilar principle

the bifilar wires yield a stronger magnetic field then just a single choke, or two single chokes, so the two chokes "compound" each other  when wrapped bifilar... my best guess

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Re: Impedance Matching
« Reply #55 on: May 03, 2009, 19:20:04 pm »
exactly donald.

teslas patent clearly states this.


i would just control F (search) "step charging" in teh tech brief and read those sections.

you are confusng the concepts.

read teslas patent on bifilar inductors....it states exactly what you quoted.

a bifilar coil simply increase the magnetic field strength much more then a normal inductor would due to it's distributed capcitance between wires which allows higher energy storage...aka larger magnetic field so the more turns of bifilar wire there are each one is basically compounded on one another like mini capacitors going -+-+-+-+-+ then it will have a greater inductance then a normal single wound coil......this is why meyers says over and over again if you want to increase the votlage potential going into the cell just add more turns to the resonant charging choke....they are directly related.

teslas patent explains it quite well.