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Stanley Meyer => Stanley Meyer => Stanley's Vic => Topic started by: Dankie on February 25, 2009, 18:46:46 pm

Title: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 25, 2009, 18:46:46 pm
Stan is always mentionning "opposite" ... "opposite this" ... opposite that ... As you know I believe this is the same force as two repulsive magnets north to north ... O voltage across the water gap @ some point AND a few normal but @ a different time  HV bursts across the gap . In what order I do not know , maybe the off time cause the coil 56 to collapse in reverse mode ... Or maybe  sequential order , alternating between high "non-voltage" and high voltage  with the gated signal . Cant say for sure .

In this thread I will simply lay out the information wich leads me to believe that this is not the typical sense of "opposite" , Stan really makes effort to always mention this word with the "         "   , as if it was something major , something wich IS NOT simply HV pulses wich "breaks down the water dielectric capacitor" ... But indeed some sort of water massager to "weaken" its link ...

I believe we are all taking the technique for granted , we have to really understand the water molecule , we must become Stan Meyers ...

Now I will ask you this question , what if we had 2 different signals , both exactly +20 000.000 and  -20,000.000 for a total of net zero across the cell , exactly lenght of wire to cell , what happens to the matter @ that specific location where the EMF meets and cancels out . Lets say this was a pulsed signal , and that sometimes there is just no EMF meeting at all , just normal +0 and - 0 ,  but then On time again +20,000 and -20,000 , we know there is no current flow in the circuit and no power and that it is viewed as pointless and illogical in normal electronics point of view  .But does this have an effect on the matter in that location where the EMF cancels out ? Some sort of "vacuum bubble" , some sort of "particle oscillation"  ??? Who knows ...

Here is all the info I have gathered throughout the year , info wich points in that direction . I know its extensive reading but plz read everything and judge for yourself what is the meaning of "opposite" .

There was recently an interresting article posted @ theorionproject web site , it is called precursor engineering and written by Tom Bearden , pdf is included here with the pics , it is a bit hidden .

http://www.theorionproject.org/en/01_20_09_mailing.html

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,897.0.html (link to a thread I made recently regarding this subject )

Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 00:33:57 am
feature=dir

clues from the goverment ?? Or half-truths ?

A non-wave inexisting existing wave wich dissasociates molecules ??

Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 01:12:26 am
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bearden/ferdelance/s18.htm

An artificial potential is deterministically patterned spacetime stress, made by opposing E-fields and/or B-fields so that they sum to vector zeros in a special pattern.

The resulting zero-summed envelope has no EM force field, to an external observer/detector.

However, the infolded E-field and B-field vector components still exist and act. They may dynamically vary, so long as their summation is always kept to zero.

The simplest variation is to vary all their magnitudes at once, by the same degree. In that case, each one comprises an "EM wave." However, the summation of this cluster or "locked group" of waves still exhibit a zero-E and zero-B field to any external observer/detector. In other-words, to an external observer, one now has a varying wave of pure spatiotemporal stress, but one which has a deterministic structure. This is a scalar EM wave, or electrogravitational wave. It is also an alternating current of specific scalar pattern.

Varying the stress of spacetime locally, curves it locally. This violates the conventional assumption of restricted general relativity that local spacetime is uncurved (is a Lorentz frame).

By use of scalar EM waves with deliberate substructures, one can engineer Bohm’s "hidden variables" so that quantum mechanics becomes deterministic rather than statistical. This is a drastic change to the common (Bohr) interpretation of quantum mechanics.

And Einstein’s intuition that God does not play dice with the universe turns out to be correct after all.

Since physicists haven’t seen where the real game was being played, it has all seemed bewilderingly statistical to them.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bearden/ferdelance/s23.htm

We now visualize the formation of waves of pure stress in the spacetime medium (in the vacuum). arThese we call scal EM waves, Tesla waves, electrogravitational waves, longitudinal EM waves, waves of pure potential, electrostatic/magnetostatic waves, and zero-vector EM waves. All these terms are synonymous. Each sheds its own particular light upon the nature of these waves or of their original discoverer, Nikola Tesla.

We use a gedankenexperiment, or thought experiment, in which we can be "perfect."

Thus we have two single-frequency EM sine waves whose E-field components are shown on the slide. The two waves are of the same frequency, traveling together in the same direction, and superposed 180 degrees out of phase with each other.

In this case, at any spatial point, the summation E and B fields are vector zeros.

However, if we plot the spatiotemporal (vacuum) stress induced by the wave, we see that it constitutes a sine wave, with compressive stress in one half cycle and tensile stress in the second half cycle.

Rigorously this defines a "longitudinal" EM wave -- or what Tesla called a "sound wave in the nonmaterial ether.’’

Also, rigorously it is a gravitational wave, for it is a wave of the curvature of spacetime (nonlinearity of vacuum) itself. That is, what is changing in the wave is the vacuum stress, or intensity of the virtual particle flux of vacuum. That is identical to changing the curvature of spacetime. In one half-cycle, spacetime is curved positively. In the second half-cycle, spacetime is curved negatively.

Since the increase or decrease of the intensity of virtual particle flux (vis-a-vis the ambient vacuum’s virtual flux intensity) represents electrical charge, then in one half-cycle negative charge is represented, and in the other half-cycle positive charge is represented. This directly explains the "positron-electron pair" representation of an electromagnetic photon -- the "photon" being one wavelength.

In one half-cycle, time moves slower. In the second half-cycle, time moves faster. Thus scalar waves can also be considered to be "tempic" waves (to use Wilbur Smith’s term), or oscillations of the rate of flow of time itself, about the ambient rate of time flow. Since these oscillations are variations in the curvature of spacetime, then they represent gravitational or force-generating waves, when coupled to a mass.

Variations in the rate of flow of time produce force, just as any other type of curvature in space time does
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 01:40:06 am
This is a science explanation from the movie "The Watchman"

I saw this on the main page and clicked on it just 4 fun , I was stunned ... coincidence ? I think not ...

from 1:00 to 2:05 .... This is the effect I want happening with my water , I think we all want this ...

feature=dir

clues from the goverment ?? Or half-truths ?

A non-wave inexisting existing wave wich dissasociates molecules ??

Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 19:33:46 pm
HELLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 19:41:14 pm
yeah they do that in mercedes and lexus cars.....and in some headphones.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 19:48:44 pm
Yes, Interesting, except he says the wave cancels out, well, net effect yes, but what he is not talking about what we (you) are talking about, because it's not the net effect we are looking for, its the combined effect.

I've heard of this before, devices used to cancel out sound waves, they can put them up between a highway or industrial area and a residential area and they will cancel out the noise so people can live in peace.

Maybe that is something to look into?

 Donald

I dont understand what you mean , yes he is talking about what I am talking about , exactly what I am talking about  .

Yes the super powers of watchmen  were created by this out in phase wave , the ''non-wave'' .

I find it interesting because I believe this is  what Stan meant by ''particle oscillation''
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 22:00:27 pm
dankie in the watchmen youtube video they are saying that the waves out of phase cancel each other out equaling zero......when i try to make acapellas from songs and sintrumentals i just invert the wave form so it cancels out the music and leaves just the audio......if we were to do this
+20kv and -20kv would cancel each other out.........i see what your trying to go for but that video is not what you are understanding......in that video it EQUALS ZERO.....completely out of phase.......now let's setup a potential difference......THIS IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT......if we set up a potential difference of +20kv we will have an equal -20kv.......that is just how positive and negative charges work think about lighting!!!!!!

the negative particles are at one end and the positive particles are at the other......they create a potential difference which then creates lightning......THIS IS WHAT YOU MEAN.....think about the capacitor plates and their charges.....if you apply 20kv to one plate....the other plate doesn't just sit there like a duck......a negative charge gathers and forms on the other plate naturally to meet the charge of the positive......

DANKIE HAVE YOU TAKEN PHYSICS 2 YET?
they will show you this with rubbing plastic and rubber rods and touching metals balls......(all of that seems sexual)....but seriously.

http://thunder.msfc.nasa.gov/images/primer/thundercloud.gif (http://thunder.msfc.nasa.gov/images/primer/thundercloud.gif)
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 26, 2009, 22:33:15 pm
u got to realize the vic seperates holes from electrons... holes are positive charged ions.. posiitve charged ions are just copper atoms missing electrons.. electrons build up on negative plate while missing electron potential atoms build up on positve plate.. this creates potential diffeence arcoss cell.. the more winds the more levereage for potential. while at the same time more copper atoms for capacitance of displaced positive and negative charges..  providing high voltage with very low amps will allow voltage to build since its not crossing the water and i would have to say little to no production.. but i you were to have a drive pulse with amps on same choke that the volts are being stored it acts like a driver to push potentials into the water bath..

thats why you need to under stand multi spool vic.. it uses primary windings pulse to drive low amp secondary potentials into the water

ps i think a toroid can provide secondarys potential..but is long term failing unit... since the secondary's get really hot.. it could prove the concept but wouldnt last... the alternator allow cooling for the secondarys...
 
6-1 secondarys dont get hot because there not receiving the 180 out of phase. pulse.


outlawstc..
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 00:06:05 am
No , it is not a potential difference that I am interrested in , obviously if it was that simple we would see it by now . The ''non-wave'' is achieving something , even if there is never any voltage across the water is being affected by this ''non-wave'' . The 'non wave has an effect on the water I sware to you .

Obviously this is what the strange wave seen Meyers tech brief , this is the missing link ...

Plz research more about the Aharonov-Bohm effect ....

And plz do not debate with a hero member  ;) , I know I am right on this one ..... again

Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 01:14:23 am
whos disagreeing? im not.. what i said doesnt contradict what your talking about..  it supports..  when you allow your positve choke to only accept positive charges. meaning the diode not letting electrons back in,,, all the copper on that inductor starts gaining a magnetic positve charge.. since it is insulated and has no way to regain electrons.... the negative choke will store freed electrons giving all the copper wire a negative magnetic charge due to over populated electrons..


lets think about how the non wave is made
by + and -  hitting each other at the same time of equal potential..  meaning the negative side choke has lets say 30 electrons per copper atom which is normaly neutral with 29, so it has a  negative 1 charge..
the positive choke charge is missing 1 electron having 28 so it has positive 1 charge..  that gives you a potential of +1 and -1 add them together and you get 0


now think what happens  your electrons are filling up on neg choke upping negative potential
the positve isnt letting them electrons back in to it start to build vacuum potential.. they are receiving a even exchange rate while building up potential  so now you have -700 built up in one and +700 in the other.. the postive diode will not let them rejoin so they only way they can equalize is thre the water..  the water hass electrons to and that high positive steals from them..

by that happening more electrons are coming into the system out of the water.. so they need to be gotten rid of..
i guess he burns them off with light/ led right?  since those electrons  will be sucked into the highly positve as the pass threw the led they are used in a form of heat

idk i could be wrong but it just seems to make to much sence


outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 04:25:45 am
whos disagreeing? im not.. what i said doesnt contradict what your talking about..  it supports..  when you allow your positve choke to only accept positive charges. meaning the diode not letting electrons back in,,, all the copper on that inductor starts gaining a magnetic positve charge.. since it is insulated and has no way to regain electrons.... the negative choke will store freed electrons giving all the copper wire a negative magnetic charge due to over populated electrons..


lets think about how the non wave is made
by + and -  hitting each other at the same time of equal potential..  meaning the negative side choke has lets say 30 electrons per copper atom which is normaly neutral with 29, so it has a  negative 1 charge..
the positive choke charge is missing 1 electron having 28 so it has positive 1 charge..  that gives you a potential of +1 and -1 add them together and you get 0


now think what happens  your electrons are filling up on neg choke upping negative potential
the positve isnt letting them electrons back in to it start to build vacuum potential.. they are receiving a even exchange rate while building up potential  so now you have -700 built up in one and +700 in the other.. the postive diode will not let them rejoin so they only way they can equalize is thre the water..  the water hass electrons to and that high positive steals from them..

by that happening more electrons are coming into the system out of the water.. so they need to be gotten rid of..
i guess he burns them off with light/ led right?  since those electrons  will be sucked into the highly positve as the pass threw the led they are used in a form of heat

idk i could be wrong but it just seems to make to much sence


outlawstc


thx STC , at leats you are listening to me ...
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 04:46:40 am
i'm listening...i just remember how you were gung-ho about the scalar waves......and now the non waves.......and tomorrow the radiant energy waves....it's good to keep thinking differently but your comparison to the watchmen is probably the worst choice possible......i wish you worked with audio before......it is a perfect example of the watchmen video.........i think the problem is explaining it......but the it is not the non wave that is shown in the watchmen that will equal ZERO when they are completely out of phase like that..........


there is a wave bounce build up that occurs.....between the diode/inductor and the water capacitor......resonance......this is why voltage steps up in step charging on both the positive and negative plates.......and since the bifilar chokes are opposite of each other they induce pulses between each other in voltage potential.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 05:00:06 am
i'm listening...i just remember how you were gung-ho about the scalar waves......and now the non waves.......and tomorrow the radiant energy waves....it's good to keep thinking differently but your comparison to the watchmen is probably the worst choice possible......i wish you worked with audio before......it is a perfect example of the watchmen video.........i think the problem is explaining it......but the it is not the non wave that is shown in the watchmen that will equal ZERO when they are completely out of phase like that..........


there is a wave bounce build up that occurs.....between the diode/inductor and the water capacitor......resonance......this is why voltage steps up in step charging on both the positive and negative plates.......and since the bifilar chokes are opposite of each other they induce pulses between each other in voltage potential.

Yes , and now I am back at it ... I simply cant ignore the evidence .
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 07:38:57 am
lets say if we were to use a alternator.. it has 3 phases as we all know.. what if you used 2 phases for switching over.. meaning 2 seperate cells being involved.. allowing polaritys to be in seperate domains then the third phase hit all domains(cells)   with both polaritys. that would give you particle oscillation and high voltage pulse at the same time in sequence..

i think it may have to do with his firing of the injector. and may actually be crating voltage wave guide

the oscillation he says helps align particles which needs to happen in order for water to take on  charge right?
it would also help gases move out of voltage zone by its pumping action..


outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 07:44:14 am
lets say if we were to use a alternator.. it has 3 phases as we all know.. what if you used 2 phases for switching over.. meaning 2 seperate cells being involved.. allowing polaritys to be in seperate domains then the third phase hit all domains(cells)   with both polaritys. that would give you particle oscillation and high voltage pulse at the same time in sequence..

i think it may have to do with his firing of the injector. and may actually be crating voltage wave guide

the oscillation he says helps align particles which needs to happen in order for water to take on  charge right?
it would also help gases move out of voltage zone by its pumping action..


outlawstc

Something along those lones dude ... something along those lines ....

I can smell it now , its close , its real close ...
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 08:23:55 am
page 166

activated electrical-state, allows positive Voltage Pulse-Wave (583) to be duplicated in succession to
form Voltage Pulse Train (66 - 583a xxx 583n), as illustrated in (770) of Figure (8-1). Opposite
negative Voltage Pulse Train (67 - 602a xxx 602n) is similarly formed since "Electron Clustering
Effect" (631) of Figure (7-9) produces a "Negative Electrical Voltage Intensity (67) in equal
magnitude to the "Positive Electrical Voltage Intensity (66) during :each/repetitious magnetic pulsecycle
(Rp/71). Remember, Secondary Voltage pickup coil (52) of Figure (7-8) displaces and
separates Resonant Charging Chokes (56/62) on opposite end of said Secondary Pickup Coil (52).


Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 08:36:51 am
put this in your pipe and smoke it lol.
pg 164 wfc
In each and all "Space State" of changes,
the combustible gas atoms of water is/are "Electrically Stress" under "different" pressure levels to bring-on
the triggering point of thermally igniting the combustible gases of water beyond or away from "Stable State"
of Equilibrium. Voltage Tickling of State Space under "Resonant Electrical Stress" without amp influxing
while "Tuning-ln" to the dielectric properties of water is herein referred to in this WFC Tech-manual as
"Resonant Action.

it is really close.." resonant electrical stress" is the key name.. it could have both dynamic and static.. making that high state 0 oscillate.. thats it man we know it now..
high five


outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 08:39:49 am
in addition.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 08:53:09 am
that's what step charging does.......exactly everything above.......everything posted is absolutely correct......my communication skills are horrible.....somehow it seems like we are on different pages......yet you post things that are absolutely correct.....maybe we just call things different names.....green is still green to you right? or is green blue.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 09:00:46 am
Unipolar Pulse Wave (Upw) returns to ground state
(Vo) after voltage propagation (Vpa/Vpb). Of course, the repetition-rate of."Atomic SnappingAction"
(Asa) (the number of Voltage Pulse Fields Vpf occurring per unit of space-time) directly determines the
resultant energy level of Static Electrical Charging Effect (585) of Figure (8-1) since “Particle
Oscillation" is being used as a “Energy Generator"

were all on the same page now lol.


outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 09:22:15 am
Unipolar Pulse Wave (Upw) returns to ground state
(Vo) after voltage propagation (Vpa/Vpb). Of course, the repetition-rate of."Atomic SnappingAction"
(Asa) (the number of Voltage Pulse Fields Vpf occurring per unit of space-time) directly determines the
resultant energy level of Static Electrical Charging Effect (585) of Figure (8-1) since “Particle
Oscillation" is being used as a “Energy Generator"

were all on the same page now lol.


outlawstc

to be completely honest i am not even sure......dankie's video reference really screwed me over.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 09:42:55 am
the fuel cell is getting one equal pulse of potential and then it gets 2 seperate polarity pulses. causeing an oscillation of the high energy state..    remember 600+ and 600- = 0    so what happens when you oscillate that its a high potential 0 you are oscillating i am drawing a pic to show what stages would do in the cell.


outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 12:10:30 pm
welp this is what i have stuck in my head.. i have drawn it out for the way i think rotary sync pulse vic works

outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 12:51:33 pm
outlawstc:
read Steve Meyers  hydroxyl filling station patent (again?), your illustration of phases from different inductors remind me of his patent.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 13:17:06 pm
Since both Meyer and Bearden talk about tapping ZPE / vacuum, both must be considered. Maybe bearden does explain a big deal that fills the abstract knowledge gap of stan.
You do have made the correct connection.

Net zero vector E-field: in the max. stresszone of the WFC, which is in the middle, vectors of B+ and B- create a _net_ E force vector of zero,
Stan shows many ways of keeping B+ and B- balanced and in phase, like referencing both to 0v trough the amp inhibitor circuit and making the second
choke tunable to match the first choke  (fig. 8-10), so the stress zone is always net zero vector.
Suggestion based on limited knowledge: Maybe the pulsing huge stress zone pulls in negative energy from the vacuum through the water atoms.

a moving charge in an E-field generates EM waves, Stan mentions this in the classroom video, and on the  fig. on page 10-10 (signal 917)
should we consider these generated EM waves?

just watch out you don't rip spacetime  open too far, or you'll be sucked in, into limbo, or a wormhole :P .

(if you haven't got the  bearden book but want it, you can download it)

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bearden/ferdelance/s18.htm

An artificial potential is deterministically patterned spacetime stress, made by opposing E-fields and/or B-fields so that they sum to vector zeros in a special pattern.

The resulting zero-summed envelope has no EM force field, to an external observer/detector.


edit:
remember from eftv7, how negative energy creates a charge on the battery, which charges the battery over tme without anything conncted.
Maybe when oscillating the water molecule, this same energy enters (the precursor of E potential) and creates a similar charge on the molecule (making it charge neutral, releasing the covalent electrons bcause no need for the charge, blablabla).
dunno, give it a thought.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 13:24:08 pm
i'm listening...i just remember how you were gung-ho about the scalar waves......and now the non waves.......and tomorrow the radiant energy waves....
They all seem to correlate if you give it a thought.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 16:43:50 pm
i'm listening...i just remember how you were gung-ho about the scalar waves......and now the non waves.......and tomorrow the radiant energy waves....
They all seem to correlate if you give it a thought.

seriously .... simple as that ...

Thx Alan for your very logical input ...
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 17:40:09 pm
notice that stans negatice copper choke is labeled tuned.. in the vic sync pulse..
he made them to where they are allways equal in potential.. not worrying about contaminats since you recieve both pulses in equal magnatude it is no longer a variable.for resticting current. . some reason i think. the copper on chokes isnt conectoed to any thing on the cell side.. just capacitance space for unlike charges.. either the stainless is all thats connected or the stainless and copper are and there hooked in same fashion.. still dont know but that will be easy to find out with experimenting.


outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 20:00:49 pm
ughhh.....i'll let you guys do your thing.....i just feel i have a different view point on it all.....i don't think there is a vic switch over circuit in use here......in the steam resonator yes......but not the actual fracturing process......

i would like to go on note that i stated this here and now.

but who knows you may have figured something completely new out........so either way it's progress.

and plus i don't even mess with the alternator area........

goodluck.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 20:41:19 pm
my theory is,
you will find out the vic will not produce alot if it just hooked to the cell receiving the gated pulse... it needs switching logic to pulse lets say 2000volts in this sequence 
 +B2000v/-B0v----------------+B2000v/-B2000v------------------+B0v/-B2000v----------------repeat
this repetitive sequence will give the water dynamic voltage  by means of aligning the bipolar water and oscillating cause kinetic energy.. then with the single both polarty pulse to allow static state space.. two different forces  study the visual wave guide i drew.. study the way its hooked to the 2 seperate cells


cheers
outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 21:01:55 pm
my theory is,
you will find out the vic will not produce alot if it just hooked to the cell receiving the gated pulse... it needs switching logic to pulse lets say 2000volts in this sequence 
 +B2000v/-B0v----------------+B2000v/-B2000v------------------+B0v/-B2000v----------------repeat
this repetitive sequence will give the water dynamic voltage  by means of aligning the bipolar water and oscillating cause kinetic energy.. then with the single both polarty pulse to allow static state space.. two different forces  study the visual wave guide i drew.. study the way its hooked to the 2 seperate cells


cheers
outlawstc

I was thinking more along the lines

+B2000v/-B0v----------------+B2000v/-B2000v------------------+B2000v/-B0v----------------+B2000v/-B2000v------------------repeat



Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 21:22:17 pm
i was thinking that to but then you would think that would enhance electron movement  towards positve plate causing amps .. i would think the oscilation back and forth would enhance polar alignment.. to take on the electrical stress./ voltage.. it cant be considerd a/c i dont think.. isnt ac pushing and pulling from one side... the cell is constantly pushing from the negative side and pulling from the positive side..   



outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 22:53:01 pm
see now here is how i see it

input:

+B2000v/-B2000v..........................+B2000v/-B2000v.............................+B2000v/-B2000v...........................+B2000v/-B2000v

and since it is a capacitor this is what happens to it when it charges from a unipolar pulse train.

across the cell:

+B250v/-B250v..........................+B500v/-B500v................................+B1000v/-B1000v........................+B2000v/-B2000v

and at resonance it pushes it even farther.

FIGURE 10-5 IN THE TECH BRIEF.....is what i am talking about above.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 27, 2009, 23:23:21 pm
right but think about it..that pulse is  only giving it static voltage.... i think the dynamic pulse creates the voltage wave guide... he says the stem resonator works in a pumping action.. now wouldnt it be nice to have both combined.. also realize how steam is made.. water going into higher energy state/ expanding.. it would only help the high voltage pulse seperate water.. stan says that the fuel cell works in a pumping action to in one of his videos... i. im working on getting a video on to try to explain by pointing out things of interest.

outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 28, 2009, 02:28:00 am
outlaw.....i have never looked into using the alternator method along with the VIC....but i was helping a friend who specializes in this method and took a close look at figure 8-11.....and i think i know am beginning to see where your coming from....stan uses the term cross over voltage sync.......you previously said vic switch over circuit.....this is what confused me since that circuit cannot seperate water.....but only heats water up by moving the ENTIRE molecule back nad forth thus creating kinetic energy......this is clearly written in the steam resonator section......and the resonator is in the actual water tank itself.....no where near the electrode plates.......but this cross over voltage sync alternator method is completely different.....

once again check out figure 8-11 of the tech brief.....it seems to be along the lines of what you are talking about.....and i think i am starting to see where you are coming from....sorry i was thinkin with a solid state mindset instead of an alternator mind set.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 28, 2009, 12:40:37 pm
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 00:01:25 am
it was able to isolate 2 of the phases pulse ..isolated ground is another big hint.. im not 100 sure if my wiring is correct but you can grasp the concepts .. .. what im trying to figure out right now is if the cooper winds are even hooked up.. i think there not. just the stainless steel. t

from zero voltage ground
state (Vo) to a predetermined Voltage Level ( xxx 64 x - 64y - 64z - Vn) on the leading edge of the
Voltage Pulse-Wave (Vpa) and, then, reversing voltage up swing to drop on the trailing edge (Vpb),
completing Voltage-wave (583). The newly established leading voltage edge (Vpa) and trailing
voltage edge (Vpb) being uniform in shape/configuration since both Resonant Charging Chokes
(56/Z2 – 62/Z3) resistive values are the same (Typically 11.6 k? each) ..

"(Vpa)//(Vbp) being uniform in shape/configuration since both Resonant Charging Chokes
(56/Z2 – 62/Z3) resistive values are the same (Typically 11.6 k? each) ."
so we can say that the  stainless choke is for inductance and cap of voltage present  from outter wound secondary choke
but needs to be of equal resistive value so Vpa or Vpa doent jump into the cell to early.. it keeps them in timing with each outher because they have the same flow rate.
(Vp)= voltage pulse wave
notice there is a A and B upswings and trailing edges understand what that means its as if he is makeing  the water into a sine wave  throwing it away from state of equalibrium

+B600v/0v -----------------------  +B600v/-B600v-------------------   +B0v/-B600v
       (Vpa)                                         (V0)                                             (Vpb)

   so since the alternator only spins in one direction  you get a repetative action being gated on and off..like this
(A,0,B,A,0,B,A,0,B,A,0,B) GATE (A,0,B,A,0,B,A,0,B,A,0,B) GATE (A,0,B,A,0,B,A,0,B,A,0,B)
A pulling left, B pulling right, and 0 being +600 and -600= 0

now lets say you take the copper positve choke wire and hooked it to a stainless tube right above your ouput gas.. you can extract electrons into copper chokes and have a led array for burning off the electrons


outlawstc


Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 05:27:38 am
tell me what you think of this idea.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 06:21:00 am
i don't think tha is correct for the alternator.....seeing that the eec and air ionizer work in congunction the entire time.....not just on one phase.

i still know very little on the vic alternator method so i don't truly have much understanding......but from common sense i don't think the eec process and air ionization only take place 1/3 of the time during the process.


but stick with the figure 8-11 concept it seems you are on the right track.....i think kevin west is starting this soon.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 06:55:18 am
i just didnt finish adding the rest.. all secondarys would be hooked to it.. and create more of a pure dc like we see when all three phases are joined.. but whats good about this idea is you can see how the multi-spools can be used in that manner.. using the none resistive copper for a air gap sounds like a good idea... voltage goes for everthing at once off 3 chokes.. each one plays a role in the air ionization and water polarization.. and even electron extraction since that is simple.. just need a isolated high voltage positve to do that.. it will pull the electrons in and you could power led with them and slow them down or do electrons burn off into light?.. when they flow into a wire that is missing alot of electrons it will create amps that can be burnt off through leds.... im glad to see we have some people studying the gas processor i havent focused on that aspect at all.

page 152 validates what i have been saying for a while now.. 

"Magnetic Field Coupling (71) of Figure (7-9) entering into and passing through Secondary
Coil-winding (52) of Figure (7-8) causes and produces copper ions (643a xxx 643n) (Positive
Charged atoms 542a xxx 542n having missing electrons) when moving external electromagnetic
field strength (71a xxx 7In) is sufficient enough to dislodge electromagnetically charged electrons
(64Ia xxx 64In) from copper atoms making up copper wire material (52). Collectively, the resultant
positive electrical charged copper ions (642a xxx 642n) added together produces Positive Voltage
Potential (629) being electrically applied to choke-coil (56); whereas, the "Liberated" negative
electrical charged electrons (64Ia xxx 64In) added together provides Negative Voltage"


i am feeling about 90 percent sure this is how..  once you learn how to look at electric in the right understanding of flow and whats flowing and why you will see how potentials can be displaced in large quantities.. remember more winds more voltage.. thats because the positve is missing electrons and each wind is like a pully.. +1+1+1+1+1......they make the load lighter work. it is said you can remove all of the electrons from a atom and it will still be copper and hold its structure.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 12:07:42 pm
Great to see you pondering outlaw , that coil 10-4 sure is puzzling ... I dont understand it at all to tell you the truth ... I wonder myself how the overlapped copper bifilar is connected .

Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 18:08:56 pm
i think this would be the what to wire 6-1 to put off same sync pulse as 8-11

outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 18:20:40 pm
this photo is of the steam resonator set up... notice both sides the the cell share only one wire... he is fluxuating both sides from positive to negative .. its not like what the crossover circuit does.. the crossover maintains it polaritys to seperate sides.. think about it...
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 18:29:53 pm
Yeah np Dankie, but none of these 'alternative'/extended em theories  are proven, it is all or nothing.

Some things easily overlooked about 10-4, but still not very clear how it should be connected:

(10-4) that are not only electrically connected in sequential order but likewise magnetically linked by
Inductance Coupling field (511/512a xxx 511/512n),


Increasing energy-yield (16/gtnt) still further is accomplished by increasing the number of Resonant Charging Choke Stages
(xxx 56/62n + 56/62n 1+ 56/62n2 + 56/62n ... etc. -S- xxx SS56/62n + SS56/62nl + SS56/62n2 + SS56/62n ... etc.)
of Figure (10-4) in "Sequential Order" ( -S-)
since the total number of Multi-Coil Magnet bifilar coils (56/62a xxx 56/62n)
serially electrically connected together are sequentially electrically
 linked to an equal number of serially electrically aligned Stainless Steel Resonant Coils
(SS/56/62a xxx SS/56/62n) ... allowing each/both bifilar coil assembly
(56/62a xxx 56/62n -S- SS56/62a xxx SS56/62n) to be electrically and magnetically energized in the same progressive
direction toward Water Gap (Cp) and away from blocking diode (55) of Figure (3-34) as to Figure
(10-1) and Figure (10-3) .

In Retrospect, the use of Stainless Steel composite coil-wire (430FIFR) consists of both
inductance and resistive properties (typically .0048 ohms per foot) which when combined together in
 metallurgical form .........

Stainless Steel bifilar Coil-Stage Assembly
(SS56/62a xxx SS56/62n)
is electrically placed between Magnet Coil-Stage Assembly (56/62a xxx 56/62n) and Water Gap

 Generally, magnet coil-wire length is longer than the Stainless
steel coil-wire length and magnet bifilar-coil (56/62) is placed on top of Stainless Steel bifilar-coil
(SS56/62) to maximize mutual inductance coil-field (Rp2)


Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 18:41:28 pm
unipolar and opposite Crossover waveform:

this effect is easily simulated and understood, think about these chokes as batteries connected parallel, voltage doesn't  add up.
current from higher voltage wants to go to low voltage, therefore 2 diodes over the chokes, 1 behind and 1 in front. WFC will see the highest volt.
still, very strange design this 10-11

(I havent yet focused on your desgns)

edit:

goal of 10-11:
This applies to the circuit:
Whenever, Voltage Excursion Point "P" is always changing in a given space-time, "State Space" is
referred to as “ Dynamic State Space;"

and
To ensure and maintain Capacitance Charging Effect (650) of Figure (7-4) across Water--
Gap (Cp) of (7-8) during applied pulsing operations (49a xxx 49n).
Crossover Voltage Wave-Form (780B) as to (780C) of Figure (8-2) is generally utilized by
not allowing Convergent Point "Q" of Figure (780B) to reach Electrical Ground Point (OV)

why  dynamic?
depending on gas compression.
To get 8-4 (=VS3 in 8-7)
8-5 (=VS2 I think)
or 8-6 (=VS4)

(8-1 (= VS1) is "static spacestate" not for this circuit)
 
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 18:51:08 pm
Yeah np Dankie, but none of these 'alternative'/extended em theories  are proven, it is all or nothing.

Some things easily overlooked about 10-4, but still not very clear how it should be connected:

(10-4) that are not only electrically connected in sequential order but likewise magnetically linked by
Inductance Coupling field (511/512a xxx 511/512n),


Increasing energy-yield (16/gtnt) still further is accomplished by increasing the number of Resonant Charging Choke Stages
(xxx 56/62n + 56/62n 1+ 56/62n2 + 56/62n ... etc. -S- xxx SS56/62n + SS56/62nl + SS56/62n2 + SS56/62n ... etc.)
of Figure (10-4) in "Sequential Order" ( -S-)
since the total number of Multi-Coil Magnet bifilar coils (56/62a xxx 56/62n)
serially electrically connected together are sequentially electrically
 linked to an equal number of serially electrically aligned Stainless Steel Resonant Coils
(SS/56/62a xxx SS/56/62n) ... allowing each/both bifilar coil assembly
(56/62a xxx 56/62n -S- SS56/62a xxx SS56/62n) to be electrically and magnetically energized in the same progressive
direction toward Water Gap (Cp) and away from blocking diode (55) of Figure (3-34) as to Figure
(10-1) and Figure (10-3) .

In Retrospect, the use of Stainless Steel composite coil-wire (430FIFR) consists of both
inductance and resistive properties (typically .0048 ohms per foot) which when combined together in
 metallurgical form .........

Stainless Steel bifilar Coil-Stage Assembly
(SS56/62a xxx SS56/62n)
is electrically placed between Magnet Coil-Stage Assembly (56/62a xxx 56/62n) and Water Gap

 Generally, magnet coil-wire length is longer than the Stainless
steel coil-wire length and magnet bifilar-coil (56/62) is placed on top of Stainless Steel bifilar-coil
(SS56/62) to maximize mutual inductance coil-field (Rp2)




I beg to differ , tom bearden proved it with his MEG . 

Scalar waves exist , no doubt about it ... Bearden has a reputation , he wouldnt be saying this if it wasnt true .
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 19:15:40 pm
Quote
current from higher voltage wants to go to low voltage, therefore 2 diodes over the chokes, 1 behind and 1 in front. WFC will see the highest volt.
still, very strange design this 10-11

you are correct that it wants to go to a lower potential of unlike charge.. the positve stainless is connected to positve side of primary.. everytime the gates on the primary winding loop is closed alowing curent flow it allows electrons to escape primary and gives it positve ions.... these chokes are not doing what you think they are.. they are saturating with there own unipolar charges.. so all the electrons on the positve side of the stainless remain on the south pole untill they can be removed.. there no reason why the primary cannot feed positive copper ions in from a low voltage source.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 19:45:28 pm
I know of 1 MEG replication, exhibiting OU, that is Naudin's.

Quote
current from higher voltage wants to go to low voltage, therefore 2 diodes over the chokes, 1 behind and 1 in front. WFC will see the highest volt.
still, very strange design this 10-11

you are correct that it wants to go to a lower potential of unlike charge.. the positve stainless is connected to positve side of primary.. everytime the gates on the primary winding loop is closed alowing curent flow it allows electrons to escape primary and gives it positve ions.... these chokes are not doing what you think they are.. they are saturating with there own unipolar charges.. so all the electrons on the positve side of the stainless remain on the south pole untill they can be removed.. there no reason why the primary cannot feed positive copper ions in from a low voltage source.
Wait, don't forget (I  did) diodes 'open'  at potential difference, + side being higher than -... thus, only the highest voltage will show up on the positive, other lower voltages will stay behind the diodes.

gonna give your comment a thought, am new to this one
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 01, 2009, 20:28:29 pm
yes but the way i see it is the stainless bifilar negative is whats hooked in center of secondary.. its oscilating reaction from ac magnetic field pulseing. wouldnt it  interact and help pull positive  in positve choke from primary? if the positive has 2000 volts positve charge.. wouldnt that positve charge orientate itself on the north side leaving higher consentration of negative electrons on the south side? would it not be produceing 2000 - volts on the south side as well? would that -2000 volts colapse the diode allowing more positve in?  the fact that it is labeled to be hooked to positive primary says alot.. it gives it interactance with the gate signal  working like a controlable on and off switch.. there is only a gat and variable voltage going to it.. the alternator does the rest for you.. other then the variable rpm.. thats the frequency everybodys so confused about.. it is determined by rpms.. they can see the fact that a alternator swings 180 in and out of phase  in even amplitudes and will produce a balanced resonanting wave 24/7 stop thinking resonance start thinking winds, induction, capacitive induction.. unibolar,, most important understand dynamic voltage and static voltage.. the  waves dankie is speaking of i beleave are the mix of dynamic and static voltage performing in oscillating manner by the presence of unipolar pulses.. stan calls is a voltage wave guide and dankie has now founded it as the scalar wave guide... for a more technical term.  i think it sounds better myself


outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 17:52:49 pm
I gave your post a long thought, can't really answer, but I came to this conclusion:
current from 2000 to 0 wont happen, because AIC diode prevents it.
current from 0 to -2000 wont happen (= electrons from -2000 to 0), because of simultaneously induced magnetic field.
since rotating field makes sinewave, what happens from 180 deg sine (negative)?
can a reverse voltage over secondary occur?
looking at the waves to wfc, it should not, but is it prevented?
how does collapsing fields interact with induced field from rotor?

(answer if  you wish, I'm just thinking out loud :) )
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 02, 2009, 22:34:06 pm
its all a timing thing.. three phases allows there secondarys to hit there peaks 120 out from each other in repition...  so lets number them 1, 2, and 3.. our output to the cell is coming from the stainless,  they are all wound with the same resistance. 11.6k  the positive stainless is hooked to the alternators primary with a diode.. when gates on then its feeding stainless with positive energy.. when it is off it switches off just like the secondarys doing to the copper positive choke and diode. the negative stainless is tapped into the center of the secondary with a diode that only alows negative potentail in and positive out..  so your input stainless is interacting with both primary and secondaries on the alternator threw center tap secondary and positive primary.. ..  the choke is no different then a transformer.. just pretend that the copper windings are the primary and the stainless are the secondarys on the choke.. the stainless negative connected to secondary gives the stainless negative the same potentail being produced on secondary while the positve stainless is giving it the 10-20k signal/ gate from primary pulse..  so since we have 3 time outputs lets use on to pulse just positve one to pulse both and one to pulse just negative... by doing so u establish a dynamic/static/dynamic sequence of events that are happening  repetitive 123123123123  forming a real voltage wave guide and using to electric forces at once.(static and dynamic). and i would have to say 2 forces will allways be better then one.. because your covering to advantage points for dissasociation.  the faster the alternator spins the higer the frequency output for the secondaries.. 5000rpms a 6 pole alternator is 500hertz.. 3000rpm=300 hertz and so on its funny how the they match like that lol.. keeps it simple. so if you were to wire it like this in order to get both stages of dynamic and static all you need to do is hook the stainless up to do so.. for instance P1 could just hit the cell with positve potential.. then on P2 peak it could be geting hit with just negative potential.. then on P3 peak it can his get with both..  these pulse will happen in a orderly fashon. forming oscillation  since there happening  120 out from each other. thats how static and dynamic occurs.  i do not beleive the chokes copper winding are used for anything but maybe the positve for the electron extration with leds involved for buring off the elctrons as the flow into the choke to maintain its positve potential. the 2 stainless that didnt get used on the cell are a positve and negative that can possibly be for the air ioniztion
after a year of pondering and good resources and what i have gathered from fellow Enthusiast this is what i see.
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 03, 2009, 00:26:59 am
If you guys are trying to figure out how the Steam Resonator works...

I made a simplified picture.

If you guys are trying to figure something else out, keep going, except I don't see why you are comparing the VIC Coil to the 3 phase alternator. That looks a lot more complicated than anything I read in the TB
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 03, 2009, 01:54:35 am
theres a bigger picture here your not seeing.. its not hitting it with the same voltage sequence  as the steam resonantor.. the steam resonator flops the voltage on both tubes..  meaning both sides are high voltage positve then there both high voltage negative.. the output voltage of  my drawing will never allow the tubes to switch polarity..  vic 6-1 will need fire logic for the output to switch on and off output of each polarity in pattern  (+/0       +/-        0/-) i would put 100 bucks on it. remember the voltage polarity is built buy how many electrons get dislodged from positve choke.. so when you oscillate that it isnt the same as alternating curent oscillating.. AC is oscillating electrons. we will be oscillating straight positve on one side and stratight electrons on the negative.. see what im saying?



outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 03, 2009, 02:18:58 am
here is another example in schematic form for each phase.. 

outlawstc
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 03, 2009, 03:05:53 am
here is another example in schematic form for each phase.. 

outlawstc

interresting design .

Keep working @ it
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 03, 2009, 03:18:46 am
now relate it to the sine wave drawing i drew.. and realized timing is everything for its voltage firing logic.. each phase peak individualy. P1 will give a positve dwell time.. P2 will give you your static voltage charge aka both.. and P3 will give you a negative dwell time..  you could say that a 6 pole alternator at 5000 rpms would give you 500hertz per phase.. so that will give you 500 hits of negative , 500 hits of both and 500 hits of positve in one second.. so theres 1500 differential pulses happening in one second with all them hooked up like that.. i think the water will oscillate at 750 hertz while taking on potential.. people need to read and understand this shit.. its golden
Title: Re: Defining the word "opposite"
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 03, 2009, 22:10:21 pm
by lookin at my pic i drew of tube with traveling wave guide(labeled in its time seqence of events P!,P2,and P3.. im thinkin water makes 1 oscillation every 5 sequence hits.. so if we had 3 phases that are putting there own cycle of 500 hertz that are  120 out of phase from each other.. we know there peaks hit at different time periods.. so we are gettin 1500 peak voltages with the 500hz 3 phase combined in 1 second at 5000rpm..  but what if we decided to use only a positive leg on one, both on another, and the negative on the last phase.. since we have three phases peaking at seperate individual time periods.  it will create unipolar oscillation.. and potential dwell time 0v.. so im thinkin 5 hits oscillates water 1hertz and if thats tru then when you hit water with the 1500hertz you could divide it by 5 and see that the water may be oscillating at 300 hertz Acoustic----------  750 rpm  will give 45hertz acuostics in water.. and 225 hertz electrical stress..   so do you see what i mean by dynamic and static variables? and notice they both increase and decrease proportional to the rpms of the alternator..  either u need 3 vic's 6-1 or some type of switching logic for the output.... i dont know it sounds logical to me..


outlawstc