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Title: stevie1001 tubecell
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 24, 2007, 19:37:00 pm
Hi all,

Finally, after collecting my components, I started to make my (yes indead) Stanley Meyer look a like WFC.
I have:
10 cells of 24 inches high and 0.63 inch diameter (outerpipe)
Plexiglas tube of 4.33 inch width and 39 inches high. (which will be shorter in the end, but you buy them by a meter)
Plexiglas plate 0.60 inch thick and size of 20 inch by 20 inch

Because pictures say more then anything else........
I keep you updated in the days to come.
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 24, 2007, 19:38:31 pm
first pics
You see the protectionfoil on the plexiglas (PMMA)
Sawing it, went pretty well!
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 24, 2007, 19:39:46 pm
second set of pics
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 24, 2007, 19:41:28 pm
third serie pics
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2007, 04:39:30 am
its gonna be nice! i would try to get my cell a bit off of the container wall though... but looking good!
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2007, 17:20:17 pm
And these are pics of day 2....lol
man, its fun but it costs time and money.
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2007, 17:23:35 pm
and more pics
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2007, 17:25:58 pm
its gonna look like a rocketlauncher......
Too big for the picture....:-)
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 25, 2007, 20:46:48 pm
i cant wait to see your cell put together!
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 26, 2007, 11:43:02 am
Stevie

Looking good!! Maybe a premature question, but how many liters per minute gas at how many Watts are you aiming for with this cell?

Wouter
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 26, 2007, 11:50:56 am
Stevie

If it might help:
Here is some information about the Variable Pulse generator used by Meyers.
The attached schematic also list the parts to be used (i.e. 7490 and 7404). Usually one sees this schematic without knowing which parts to use....

Regards

Wouter
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 26, 2007, 17:18:08 pm
Stevie

If it might help:
Here is some information about the Variable Pulse generator used by Meyers.
The attached schematic also list the parts to be used (i.e. 7490 and 7404). Usually one sees this schematic without knowing which parts to use....

Regards

Wouter

Wouter,

Thanks for the schematics. Its always good to have these on the forum.
As far as I can read these, I assume that a squarewave is produced in this circuit.
It looks a little bit more stabil then the circuits with 2x 555 timers, like the dave lawton circuit.
Do you have this circuit running?
Can you publish the output on this forum?
Would be appriciated.

And do you have any thoughts about what kind of signal you need for a WFC?
We have some idea's and we wanna share it with you, but first we need to know how far you are on this subject.

Br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 27, 2007, 10:21:35 am
Hi Steve

I only recently came across this schematic and have not tried it out myself, but saved it because
I wish I had it when I started studying Meyers several months ago!
Obviously you can use a Dave Lawton circuit but if you intend to duplicate Stan's setup as close a possible to the information in his patent, then I believe this schematic would be a good place to start.
For my own Meyers setup I am using a pic microcontroller to generate the square wave.
Unfortunately I had very little success with Meyer's approach thusfar, so I am now looking into Bob Boyce's approach.
Busy getting all the components to build a Boyce setup.....Wish I could be of more help.....

Wouter
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 27, 2007, 12:14:31 pm
Hi Steve

I only recently came across this schematic and have not tried it out myself, but saved it because
I wish I had it when I started studying Meyers several months ago!
Obviously you can use a Dave Lawton circuit but if you intend to duplicate Stan's setup as close a possible to the information in his patent, then I believe this schematic would be a good place to start.
For my own Meyers setup I am using a pic microcontroller to generate the square wave.
Unfortunately I had very little success with Meyer's approach thusfar, so I am now looking into Bob Boyce's approach.
Busy getting all the components to build a Boyce setup.....Wish I could be of more help.....

Wouter

Wouter, so you go for the Bob stuff with extra chemicals in the water?
We are trying here to go for the non chemical solution.
I understand that you failed with the Stanley Meyer schematics, because Hydro and I made the same mistakes.
After many hours of research from him and me and after many evaluations of his movies and patents we made some really good conclusions.
We hope to teach you what we found out.
To give you some info about Meyer:

Many people are looking for a fixed resonance frequency of water.
There is none.
The VIC and many other components are NOT used for creating H and O

We can explain almost everything of Stanley and its not for nothing that Stanley was killed.
Some money backers of Stanley found out that he knew a way MUCH easier to make a car run on water.
They feld be traid and killed him.
Stanley was a very clever man, but he knew how to run a car on water.
I believe that Hydro and I can do the same. We are going to prove it soon.
As you can see, I am building a new WFC.
We are are also working on alternators.....
You should too.
Learn about alternator. Go the path Stanley did and you learn to understand his developing path.
If you understand what happens between an alternator and a WFC, you can rebuild that in electronics...
Running a car on the output of a WFC is also a very interesting chapter.

Did you have good tubes with your Stanley tests?

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 29, 2007, 09:59:25 am

Wouter, so you go for the Bob stuff with extra chemicals in the water?
We are trying here to go for the non chemical solution.
I understand that you failed with the Stanley Meyer schematics, because Hydro and I made the same mistakes.
After many hours of research from him and me and after many evaluations of his movies and patents we made some really good conclusions.
We hope to teach you what we found out.
..........
Did you have good tubes with your Stanley tests?

Steve
Steve

I agree that the non chemical approach is the ideal. It's just that I have spent so many hours and money on Meyers without success. But I still believe that Meyers can work because of the video where he runs his buggy for about 20 minutes on one large cell. Thus I have not given up on Meyers and will be too glad to learn more from you and Hydro!

I still have several 316 tubes (and some 316L) of different sizes that I used for my experimentation up to now.

Wouter
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on November 29, 2007, 10:11:26 am

Wouter, so you go for the Bob stuff with extra chemicals in the water?
We are trying here to go for the non chemical solution.
I understand that you failed with the Stanley Meyer schematics, because Hydro and I made the same mistakes.
After many hours of research from him and me and after many evaluations of his movies and patents we made some really good conclusions.
We hope to teach you what we found out.
..........
Did you have good tubes with your Stanley tests?

Steve
Steve

I agree that the non chemical approach is the ideal. It's just that I have spent so many hours and money on Meyers without success. But I still believe that Meyers can work because of the video where he runs his buggy for about 20 minutes on one large cell. Thus I have not given up on Meyers and will be too glad to learn more from you and Hydro!

I still have several 316 tubes (and some 316L) of different sizes that I used for my experimentation up to now.

Wouter

Wouter, to get real good results, I advise you to go thru this forum. You end up with an alternator and driver motor. Tubes with cap space of max 2 mm and PURE WATER. No chemicals.
I promise you succes with that.


br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 01, 2007, 03:56:37 am
that is about to change, we're already working to go beyond the alternator.
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2007, 20:59:47 pm
ok, some new pics of my new cell.
As you can see, it became a high cell. Its 31.5 inches high or in cm 80.
The innertubes are not installed, yet and all of the tubes needs a connection at the bottom.
I am thinking of using metalplates, like Stanley did in his vid.
I also need a water inlet and a gas outlet.
Hope to finish this thing next week. I am sooooo excited.....
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 16, 2007, 21:01:36 pm
10 cells must give a good performance....
I also made a cut in the top

Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 03:11:52 am
Hi Steve,

Very nice setup you have there. What is the gap between two tubes? I think this setup will produce at least 2LPM or more with little power. I will post some of my 16 plates experiment observation soon.
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 04:05:54 am
nice guys! i like
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 17, 2007, 17:06:11 pm
Hi Steve,

Very nice setup you have there. What is the gap between two tubes? I think this setup will produce at least 2LPM or more with little power. I will post some of my 16 plates experiment observation soon.


Thanks Kumaran,

the gap is 2 mm between the tubes. I made it a bit wider, because the are very long. I hope that the bubbles have a bit more space.

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 18, 2007, 03:38:23 am
Hi Steve,

Thanks for the info. Once the tube conditioned, the bubbles will not stick to tube walls. Over the period of time I guest the bigger bubbles will form. I have some experiment on Joe Cell where cell goes through electrolysis, seeding & breading stages. At pure electrolysis stage the bubbles are like mist but over period of time the bubbles gets bigger (seeding & breeding) and with just apply same amount of power at short period of time.

Well, I didn't complete the Joe Cell experiment fully but I did notice some strange effect which disturbs main power. I don't wanna elaborate much since we are talking about electrolysis here.
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 19, 2007, 03:24:47 am
Two tips on contacts and spacing:

measure up a cm and cut away part of the tube, leaving a d-shape hanging down.   More specifically...

Cut at widest diameter along length both sides, like splitting a banana for a sundae... about 1/2", then stop.

Cut away one side of the tube, leaving the hangin'-down thang to drill  a hole thru and affix yer lead.

Developing this thought further, use a strip of 26-30 ga stainless, bolting one end to the tube flange and the other... take it down and bend a 90' inwards leaving a 3/4 flange.   Poke a hole in that, and bolt thru the endcap of cylinder.   Repeat for each outer tube.  Tie together electrically outside the cell.

Now fer spacing, I got some 1/8 and 1/16 neoprene gasket sheet and sliced off little pieces.  I also got some 1/4 rubber from some dumpster dive somewheres...   anyhow I sliced carefull thicknesses tha twere cut to 1" lengths, and when the right thickness was found, I placed two pieces 120' apart, and shoved the inner tube over and cram-rammed the third piece at the third point.

Pic+ 1000 words... here's showing rubber, not the notch contact idea.

Worked for me, but I've only run these in Faraday.   My clone is gonna hit 'em with Meyer drive later next month.

Turtle
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 19, 2007, 08:39:31 am
that right theres pretty good turtle, makes me think of a pipe streatcher! i can say it is diff, more gas will flow when you choke it to death.
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 19, 2007, 10:12:32 am
Thank you all for your tips accoording the tubes! Nice to some details, turtle.
I will go to my supplier of SS . He has a workshop and I am going to ask his advise too.
I was hoping that he can made some SS plates, which he can weld to the pipes....

I keep you update!

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 19, 2007, 16:05:05 pm
we found a solution for connecting the pipes/tubes.
Its very simple and that are always the best ones...lol
They will welt a bolt, without the head into the innerpipe and one to the outside of the outerpipe...
Both bolts point in the same direction as the pipes. So after that I have to drill some more holes in the bottom of my wfc. All bolts and nuts are SS and the welding is done with 316 wire. Size of bolts are M5 (5 mm).
I hope to get my tubes back tomorrow. Then get the wfc together and get some gass out of it.....

I cann't waite!

br
Steve

Oh I still forgot that I have to drill some holes for gasoutput and water input too..... ;)
Does anybody has experience with tapping plexiglas?

Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 19, 2007, 21:50:54 pm
yes, you will find it is not easy, buy the bit for the tap! im still sick

oh and use oil
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 20, 2007, 07:05:21 am
Now that be a great idear, stevie... welding a headless bolt into the inner tube, cut slots for flow, bolt thenceforth protruding thru cap... Man, you jes saved me a ton of work on the next build!

BTW, scrounged up 120' of 3/8 and 1/2 304L tubing at the dunnage bin fer seventy-five turtlebucks!

Blessings from heaven, drives the research onward!

Turtle
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 21, 2007, 23:23:27 pm
Now that be a great idear, stevie... welding a headless bolt into the inner tube, cut slots for flow, bolt thenceforth protruding thru cap... Man, you jes saved me a ton of work on the next build!

BTW, scrounged up 120' of 3/8 and 1/2 304L tubing at the dunnage bin fer seventy-five turtlebucks!

Blessings from heaven, drives the research onward!

Turtle

The Turtle is an Iron maniac...LOL
How many cells did you produce sofar?
I mean platecells and tubecells?


I got my tubes back! They look black at the bottum..but I already made them shine like the sun.
I just found out that there are some slacks in the outerpipe from welding.
So, my saterday will look like this:
Sanding sanding and more sanding with my tools in outerpipes.....
I wanna have everything perfect perfect and just more perfect.
Nice smooth and shining 316 tubes in my wfc on sunday...sorry preatcher Turtle I do some hobby work on sundays.....

I wish you WFC maniacs a merry christmas! And also already a very happy and H2 new year!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :) :) :) :o :o :o :o

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 22, 2007, 08:41:36 am

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The Turtle is an Iron maniac...LOL
How many cells did you produce sofar?
I mean platecells and tubecells?

[/quote]

I probable have 18 different plate cells, 5 tube cells, but some got shipped out fer testing by folks that know more about electronics than me

Turtle
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 23, 2007, 11:08:43 am
Quote
I probable have 18 different plate cells, 5 tube cells, but some got shipped out fer testing by folks that know more about electronics than me

Turtle

WOW    That are many cells, turtle!!!
From today, we call you the Stainless-turtle!!
You are good with SS and not with electronics? But you are able to copy a schematic?
Because I wanna help you if you have troubles with that.. ;)

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 05:52:47 am
Yeah, bro, I can read, copy and build from a schematic, but it takes awhile.   Still shakey bout following the theory but if someone designed it and it works, I can build it.

Fear of the unknown more than anything.

Can you email me  the driver circuit you used to power the cell in that video?

Thanks, man, and I'll build ye a plate cell to try yer driver with.

Stainless Turtle, polishing carapace [ouch! that twisted my leg!]
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 07:27:05 am
Hi Stevie

Impressive gas production!!
Do you have any idea how many liters per minute gas that was?
Also, what was the power used in terms of voltage and amps, i.e.  total Watts consumed?

Regards

Wouter
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 07:53:22 am
Yeah, bro, I can read, copy and build from a schematic, but it takes awhile.   Still shakey bout following the theory but if someone designed it and it works, I can build it.

Fear of the unknown more than anything.

Can you email me  the driver circuit you used to power the cell in that video?

Thanks, man, and I'll build ye a plate cell to try yer driver with.

Stainless Turtle, polishing carapace [ouch! that twisted my leg!]


lol turtle,, stevie used a car battery,, 12 volts 19 amps. i think i'm jealuse! you prolley seen the youtube video? lol, the reply was a joke. atleast it's funny to the ones that knows whats really going on, to the ones that dont, well, maybe they will learn?

i gotta get my new cell going so i can try and smoke him!
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 10:39:26 am
Hi Keith and Wouter,

Its truth that I used just a car battery for this vid. Hydro and me are just having some fun tricking some fouls out there.
Perhaps not too nice, but we have seen so many other vids out there not telling the thruth and I receive from these people reply's!
So we know that they lie. :P

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

But serious, now:

The other more serious reson is for you guys to have a way to compare your output to my output. I think strait dc from a car battery is very good for this, because its the same for everybody. :D

AND........
dont get dissapointed here!!!
My new electronic circuit gives me a BETTER output then on strait DC......
So my final output will be better then you see on my vids!!!

I still have to mount a gauge on my wfc, so I can measure gasoutput soon.

I know for sure that we are ahead of many others outthere and we run an 4 stroke engine very soon.

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 10:43:14 am
Yeah, bro, I can read, copy and build from a schematic, but it takes awhile.   Still shakey bout following the theory but if someone designed it and it works, I can build it.

Fear of the unknown more than anything.

Can you email me  the driver circuit you used to power the cell in that video?

Thanks, man, and I'll build ye a plate cell to try yer driver with.

Stainless Turtle, polishing carapace [ouch! that twisted my leg!]


Keith,

Do you use MSN Messenger? Its time we chat, dude.
If its a promise that you build a platecell, then I provide you the right circuit.
But I have some special requests accoording a newly made platecell.
I wanna make one next year, but It must be something else then everybody made. I have a very important idea about it.

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 16:56:26 pm
Ok, on request a closer look.
You see here that I have very small tubes in my new wfc.

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 24, 2007, 21:43:38 pm
you see how big his gap is guy's? i made  a post on this in the best overunity cell category, right under plate and tube cells, have a read.


BTW, i dont think turtle uses Msn stevie,,, so you may just have a pm atem.


Stevie,, if you cut on the tubes anymore i will spank you!!!!
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 26, 2007, 18:55:00 pm
That's probably as wide a gap as you would want for a Meyer cell, but it could be even wider for faraday, owing to the need to evacuate larger agglomerated bubbles.

Turtle, sans messenger
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 26, 2007, 22:54:55 pm
today I did some gasoutput tests.
They are done with the famous bottle upsidedown filled with water.

The first test was done with strait dc  = gasoutput 0.25 liter per minute
Second test with alternator                 = gasoutput 0.32 liter per minute

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2007, 03:58:34 am
How many amps did the ampeater eat?

mL produced / minutes / watts (volts x amps applied, average for time of run)

mL/min/watt is the metric I like to use to quantify output.  This is a straightforward approach to cell quantification.   Ain't foolproof, but gives a picture of what yer doin'.

The best I've done yet is 4.2 m/m/w.

It be interesting to ck yer numbers.

Thanks,

Turtle, still testing
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2007, 04:51:17 am
Hi keithturtle,

Steve's cell efficient as below :

Test 1 (with straight DC)
Volt : 12
Amps : 18
LPM : 0.25
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 14.40
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 69.44
Percentage compared to Faraday : 16.33%

Test 2 (with alternator)
Volt : 20
Amps : 21
LPM : 0.32
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 21.88
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 45.71
Percentage compared to Faraday : 10.75%
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2007, 08:50:00 am
Thanks for the numbers... we still have a ways to go.

Turtle
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on December 28, 2007, 10:16:13 am
We have, Turtle, we have.

As I said, i do not use KOH.


Listen all of you: My alternator used on my like 8V and 3 amps. What I published on the excelsheet was what went into the WFC.
So, what is the reall powerconsumption?

Br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 02, 2008, 21:25:01 pm
Hi all,


Its getting better and better   ;D :D ;)

The interesting thing is that the WFC is producing almost always the same gas output...(0.25ltr/minute) (except with alternator 0.32l/m) . Only the power to get it, changes.

My results are so far:

Test 1 (with straight DC)
Volt : 12
Amps : 18
LPM : 0.25
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 14.40
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 69.44
Percentage compared to Faraday : 16.33%

Test 2 (with alternator)
Volt : 20
Amps : 21
LPM : 0.32
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 21.88
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 45.71
Percentage compared to Faraday : 10.75%

Test 3 (with SSRelais, 1khz pulsing and coil in parallel with WFC)
Volt : 12
Amps : 6.0 !!!!!!
LPM : 0.25
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 4,8
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 208,33
Percentage compared to Faraday : 49%

It is such a good feeling that I am beating strait DC with big numbers at this moment.
I have now a very good direction for futher developing efficiency!


Br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2008, 04:07:46 am
Keep at it , man... we'll git there!

Turtle
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2008, 12:35:16 pm

Test 3 (with SSRelais, 1khz pulsing and coil in parallel with WFC)
Volt : 12
Amps : 6.0 !!!!!!
LPM : 0.25
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 4,8
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 208,33
Percentage compared to Faraday : 49%
Steve

That's EXCELLENT!   :o
Can you maybe post a schematic of the complete setup?
If you don't mind, I would love to give it a try myself.....

Wouter
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2008, 17:28:51 pm
Thanks Keith, Wouter,
I am a happy person after this big step!

I ran a test today with destilled water....
Man, that was a dissapointment
That water is soo clean, almost no current would flow. We always need some currentflow!
With tapwater on strait DC the WFC pulls almost 20 amps
With destilled water its no more then 2.5 amps. Bad production too.
Ok, it stayd clean in my wfc... :-\

I dont wanna make you crazy out there, but i havent seen this setup anywhere on any forum... ;)
I must take some time to let this kick in before I publish this schematic
Oh, and you need earplugs. The coil is making a lot of noice.. ;D ;D ;D


Br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 03, 2008, 20:11:18 pm
hurry up master stevie, i cant wait!
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 04, 2008, 06:13:33 am
I'm at odds with hydrocars on this one, bro- tal=ke all the time ye need, and document yer failures [or minimal succeses] so's you can articulate them to us, so we won't need to repeat yer mistakes.

Sounds kinda coarse on the surface, but think about it- how many folks have done the exact same thing, gotten the exact same results, and are sittin' there with little to show fer their time, just anutha thang that don't work.

If we use this methology, (and be patient in the process, hydro) we will go forward.   Patience.

But then again, I'm old.

Mebbe too old.

Turtle
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 04, 2008, 08:29:57 am

I ran a test today with destilled water....
Man, that was a dissapointment
That water is soo clean, almost no current would flow. We always need some currentflow!
With tapwater on strait DC the WFC pulls almost 20 amps
With destilled water its no more then 2.5 amps. Bad production too.
Ok, it stayd clean in my wfc... :-\
......
Oh, and you need earplugs. The coil is making a lot of noice.. ;D ;D ;D
Steve

I'm happy to use tap water and I have already bought some earplugs!  ;)
Thanks for sharing and take your time.....

Wouter
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 04, 2008, 14:21:29 pm
Thanks Turtle, i just follow the turtle tracks lol, im not far behind you...
Title: good day bad day
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 04, 2008, 21:56:07 pm
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(


Sorry dudes! No new invention from my part. After some testing I discoverd a mistake in my setup.
I can cry my eyes out.....



I quit. I am not worth living this live....


brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 05, 2008, 02:58:38 am
Relax buddy. Never loose your interest. It happens many many times to me. Short exitement due to wrong measurement. At the end when we find out our mistakes, the pain is tremendous and we will feel ourself really stupid.

The most important thing is that you admit the mistake and announce to public. I'm sure lots of people were looking forward to your results. No problem. Put the experiment a side and go out for a walk. Relax your mind and come back after a day or two to continue.
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 05, 2008, 03:34:15 am
well, if you really want to know my opinion, i think id rather hear your mistakes rather than what someone thinks might work, at least your trying and not talking about how it could work, i highly admire that!

Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 05, 2008, 09:39:28 am
Thanks kumaran and hydro,

I will continue. This test had 1 positive outcome.
I saw a confirmation of my SM theory.
More on that later.

br
steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on February 08, 2008, 01:25:36 am
well, if you really want to know my opinion, i think id rather hear your mistakes rather than what someone thinks might work, at least your trying and not talking about how it could work, i highly admire that!



I'm with ye on that !

Turtle, still building
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 25, 2008, 05:30:14 am
I have a wfc that ressemble a little bit like yours ...

so I am very curious as to what was the mistake your talking about ??  I might have done the same one who knows   ;)
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 09, 2008, 16:30:19 pm
my newest low power test
just 6 watts.....
Triangle waveform out of a pulsed bifilaircoil


br
steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 09, 2008, 17:18:18 pm
hello
 as i saw from your vid volts are 19 and amps are 0.3 the triangular waveform is not amplified threw the bifilar  coil and stays 19 v
thanks
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 09, 2008, 18:13:32 pm
James, i do not have a gasoutput reading for the calculation. So no mmw at his moment.

But....

Input in bifcoil is a squarewave
Output of bifcoil with wfc connected is triangle
Volts input of bifcoil (on scope) : 21,6Vp by 0.34 amps = 7.3watts
Volts output of bifcoil (on scope): 9.3Vp by 0.55 amps =  5.1watts
This is not as good as Hydrocars and I did with 2 normal coils. We got more watts out then we put in at those specific setups.
Frequency: 3.4khz

Still, production is pretty nice.......and i will tune this setup a little bit more tonight...see what i can pull out of it.. ;)

br
steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 09, 2008, 23:11:46 pm
James,
short answer before i drop into my bed...

I know that there is only 1 figure that counts at the end  and thats how much power the setup consumes at the wall outlet...
and the amount of gas produced with it..... ;)

br
steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 10, 2008, 10:18:31 am
yeh,

The strange thing is, that if you use 5volt, the amps are like 10 amps for a specific cell.
As soon as you put 10 Volts on the same cell, the amps will rise as well....to like 15 amps.
The formula p=u*I and U=I*R are fixed.
When you use plain tapwater and put different voltages on your cell, you will see different resistance numbers.
With stuff like KOH the numbers will be a bit different.
If the law of fysics is right and that every volt over 2Volts is turning into heat, then you cell must be very simple.
2Volts on the earlier mentioned cell pulls like 5 amps. (just an example...dudes ;))
And you want to get a cell that pull 40 amps, then you have 2 options.

1. add like 8 till 9 cells in parallel/ The result will be that the overall resistance will drop drastically. That way it is able to pull the amps.
2. Because there is a limit on how low you can go with resistance, because you reach very quickly the deadshort condition, you may choose to use
    the split option. That means that you use 2 power supplys in stead of 1. So you drive 4 cells on each powersupply. They are all in the same wfc. Thats oke.

As my low  power test shows, you can get pretty nice production with a relativly high resistance (9.3Vp / 0.55 amps =  16.7 ohms!
Voltage is providing the road for conductance. It is lining up the watermolecules till a certain level. That why higher volts brings higher amps.!
I assume that the 2V level is the lowest level of conductance......

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 10, 2008, 13:02:22 pm

 Don't  know if this will help or not, but, my book states that 1.4 volts is all that's required to break the Hydrogen from the Oxygen.  Finally found my OTHER Hydrogen book.. 
Title: Re: stevie1001 attemp to create the Stanley Meyer WFC
Post by: Login to see usernames on July 19, 2008, 09:00:19 am
1.4 volts is the theoretical minimum, and usually only obtained under lab conditions most of us plebes cain't come up with.

So little happens at that V level you'd need square miles of area to make any meaningful gas.  [good use for them nano-plates?]

2.4 to 3.2 volts is the range I work with most.   Keeps the steam to a minimum.

Turtle
Title: Re: stevie1001 tubecell: polarisation of tubes!!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 06, 2009, 00:50:19 am
Hi,

Today i found out that the Negative is doing better on the OUTER tube instead of what Stan said.
I pulsed the cell with 25khz squarewaves.

br
Steve

Title: Re: stevie1001 tubecell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 13, 2009, 12:45:35 pm
Hi

I got last week for the first time in my life NOAH.
Yes. Steve got his first chemicals.
And the best wfc to test it with was my 10 tube wfc.

The results at that time were:
Test 1 (with straight DC)
Volt : 12
Amps : 18
LPM : 0.25
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 14.40
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 69.44
Percentage compared to Faraday : 16.33%

Test 2 (with alternator)
Volt : 20
Amps : 21
LPM : 0.32
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 21.88
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 45.71
Percentage compared to Faraday : 10.75%

Now, today i ran the same wfc with tapwater and some NOAH.
Here are the results:
Volt: 5
Amps: 49
LPM: 1
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 4.08
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 245
Percentage compared to Faraday : 58%

As you can see, the 10 tube wfc of me, with the 2mm gap works best in use with NOAH.
This WFC never produced so many gas before.

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 tubecell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 13, 2009, 15:21:22 pm
Very good Stevie, I'm glad you tested this.

You probably know this already but since you haven't experimented with chemicals before, here are some tips I have learned. 

For best efficiency using chemicals we need the following:

Keep voltages between electrodes under 2.6 volts. yes more voltage does make more gas, but efficiency drops.

now for the GAP: It needs to be a compromize, smaller is better, but needs to be big enouph for the gas to escape and water take its place.

Title: stevie1001 tubecell: 107% compared to Faraday!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 13, 2009, 23:48:00 pm
Well,

New setup of the tubes: pairs of 2 in serie

Tapwater and  NOAH
Volt: 5
Amps: 9.67 amps
Watts: 48
LPM: 0.37
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 2.2
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 454
Percentage compared to Faraday : 107%
Title: Re: stevie1001 tubecell
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 14, 2009, 01:19:02 am
Excelent!!!!
Title: Re: stevie1001 tubecell: 107% compared to Faraday!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 20, 2009, 23:08:53 pm
Well,

New setup of the tubes: pairs of 2 in serie

Tapwater and  NOAH
Volt: 5
Amps: 9.67 amps
Watts: 48
LPM: 0.37
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 2.2
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 454
Percentage compared to Faraday : 107%

Stevie
You can make electronics that use the scheme when their experiments?
With regard to fixing of pipes have a suggestion to fix them with needles to reduce the area of contact with the exterior design, it will provide a more stable result of resonance.
Title: Re: stevie1001 tubecell: 107% compared to Faraday!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 20, 2009, 23:40:37 pm
Well,

New setup of the tubes: pairs of 2 in serie

Tapwater and  NOAH
Volt: 5
Amps: 9.67 amps
Watts: 48
LPM: 0.37
Efficiency (Wh/L) : 2.2
Efficiency (mL/W/H) : 454
Percentage compared to Faraday : 107%

Stevie
You can make electronics that use the scheme when their experiments?
With regard to fixing of pipes have a suggestion to fix them with needles to reduce the area of contact with the exterior design, it will provide a more stable result of resonance.

Thank you fenedev for your suggestions with the needles.
However, in this test, i used strait  DC and no other circuit-tricks at all.
Do you want me to make a drawing for you?

br
Steve
Title: Re: stevie1001 tubecell: 107% compared to Faraday!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on March 23, 2009, 08:17:46 am
Thank you fenedev for your suggestions with the needles.
Do you want me to make a drawing for you?
br
Steve

The idea is that the mounting tube was involved minimal contact area. This method is used for musical instruments that allow the pipes to sound quite differently (in a different tone).
Title: Re: stevie1001 tubecell for sale!!
Post by: Login to see usernames on June 19, 2010, 23:03:25 pm
I want to sell my 10 tube Stanley meyer based tubecell .

Its build with 316 SS tubes.
The whole build can be seen in this topic.

Please send me an offer by Personal message if you are interested.

Regards
Steve