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Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2021, 17:23:25 pm »
its just a very leaky capacitor.....

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« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2021, 14:36:50 pm »
Just saving everyone's time and frustration.

Andrija Puharich talks about resonance to be the most current with the less power applied, Meyer talks the opposite with almost same circuit (inductors and transformer) with exception of the diode.

Everyone who think by their own head will question all of this.

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« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2021, 21:16:53 pm »
Just saving everyone's time and frustration.

Andrija Puharich talks about resonance to be the most current with the less power applied, Meyer talks the opposite with almost same circuit (inductors and transformer) with exception of the diode.

Everyone who think by their own head will question all of this.
with serie resonance, thats what it is. Current and also voltage. out of phase......The voltage creates the "pressure" and then the current can boost in. That how you get lots of current going thru a wfc...

now the question is: how high can you go with voltage to charge up a bifilar coil? What are the upper borders?
Of course it depends on the amount of windings and wire resistance, but still...
Lets say, we take a ferriet core with 400 bif windings...
How high can you go with volts?

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Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2022, 03:33:26 am »
Just saving everyone's time and frustration.

Andrija Puharich talks about resonance to be the most current with the less power applied, Meyer talks the opposite with almost same circuit (inductors and transformer) with exception of the diode.

Everyone who think by their own head will question all of this.
with serie resonance, thats what it is. Current and also voltage. out of phase......The voltage creates the "pressure" and then the current can boost in. That how you get lots of current going thru a wfc...

now the question is: how high can you go with voltage to charge up a bifilar coil? What are the upper borders?
Of course it depends on the amount of windings and wire resistance, but still...
Lets say, we take a ferriet core with 400 bif windings...
How high can you go with volts?


As high as the components will allow. That WFC capacitive-resistor has a voltage threshold relative to the gap spacing and the water impurities.  The chokes and diode do too. All components have to support the working threshold desired.

 

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Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2022, 15:55:21 pm »
Just saving everyone's time and frustration.

Andrija Puharich talks about resonance to be the most current with the less power applied, Meyer talks the opposite with almost same circuit (inductors and transformer) with exception of the diode.

Everyone who think by their own head will question all of this.
with serie resonance, thats what it is. Current and also voltage. out of phase......The voltage creates the "pressure" and then the current can boost in. That how you get lots of current going thru a wfc...

now the question is: how high can you go with voltage to charge up a bifilar coil? What are the upper borders?
Of course it depends on the amount of windings and wire resistance, but still...
Lets say, we take a ferriet core with 400 bif windings...
How high can you go with volts?

Well, as I stated in the other post, the voltage in the cell is directly proportional to the current passing thru it. No matter how many turns your bifilar has, if it does not have the capability to feed many amps to your cell, you wont have high voltages at your cell, unless the resistance of your cell is huge (with the cell beign small). My cell has 100 Ohms resistance, I need 10 amps peak to have 1kV in it. In my case, if I had 1000t bifilar with awg35 wire, I would never reach kV in my cell, I can achieve with kV with 200t, awg23, but is pure electrolysis. If 100V is applied to a 100Ohm load, you'll always have 1amp, you'll never get to restrict the current without lowering the voltage, this is ohms law. You cannot apply 100V to a 100ohms load and have only miliamps, and it does not have anything to do with the frequency, you can sweep you cell from DC to 1Ghz, the frequency response is flat.

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Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2022, 06:31:32 am »
My two cents… a shorted coil coupling two separate cores behaves like a resonant tank at whatever frequency… it gets hundreds of amps… u are correct about the current voltage relation… I guess somehow this very high magnetic field is what could maybe restrict this amps… another educated guess I would do is that the coil must be able to have current flow capability otherwise it’s going to work really hot! I really think the epg was more likely to be the core of the system…

A copper tube works like a coupling magnetic field among the coils… a very good one if you keep current at certain level…I would say it’s a two sides of the same coin

My thoughts on this arise from William Barbat device and some work I did on this… there is post about this tests somewhere..I was working on regenerative feedback…

We could perhaps achieve this with two chokes on individual I cores wound longitudinally having another coil of very thick wire shorted over both… and pulsed in series with the cell

I was working with CC cores there were 3 or 4 at the time

The primary was at one transformer and the 3 turns 1inch thick wire couples this with other two or 3 cores and at this cores I had a output coil… the higher the load the higher was the current on the coupling coil …  I think this was a sort of demonstration that a coupling can be something that change the game…

What makes it not a real short circuit is that the coupling is not perfect but mainly because it become like a two transformer so is one secondary and one primary in one coil

I would investigate winding a coil around this thick wire to see the behavior on that too.. may work could be done

I wish most luck to all working on this… I’m doing my best to be back on lab with time to do it


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Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2022, 06:54:21 am »
If you think about water has a changing impedance… having a polímero filter is possible to get it up to 2kohm resistance at 0ppm

However the difficult part has always being that we want a circuit that apply voltage in a manner that it will be able to actually get higher and higher pulses in voltage while keeping same frequency “maybe”

Meyer wisely went for direct action in series
tayhehan made water inside a capacitor of high dielectric strength
Fracture cell use a combination of capacitances

I went for high power since low didn’t worked as expected… if you want to apply 2kv 10 amps this is 20kw… this requires a huge power supply! So the idea is that if we need power first you need to have big coils big cores etc

How much power do we really need ?  Well it first depends on the water resistance secondly it depends on what voltage we want yo get

So if we want to get 1000 real volt pulse in the kilohertz range we need a choke capable of that…

As you see with 2kohm 1 amp this is already a 2kw power supply !!! If getting from 220v this is just 10 amps…

So with a 2kv Igbt a nice choke set and full wave bridge rectifier with perhaps some nice capacitors around we could get a power juice to drop in water… if you need more voltage the choke can have another like a secondary on top… I think at this point I would simply put full wave bridge rectifier using two diodes

I think this way a 1,2 kv igbt could be used

I would go for air core at this point!!! Or at least start with because this sort of power would require big cores… how big?


There is some calculation for chokes





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Re: Stan Meyer Patent search....U.S. Ser. No. 302,807
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2022, 02:03:29 am »
I did a few drawings last night hope you enjoy the trip…

This circuits doubles the pulse and allow the voltage to grow to a certain degree of course the thicker the wire the higher current it will absorb… when the correct frequency is find than it could be arranged as a resonant tank…


The main idea is that the shorted coil among the two cores act as a secondary and primary to each other as pulse goes…

As you can see is a sort of booster converter but coupled to each other loosely with a coil making in a manner to allow the secondary side to output some of the power acting as a load while the first side accumulate more and more power at this time the secondary side is already making a pulse because of the coupling and the square wave flips the first side will dump the energy as a pulse while now the second transformer charges while sustaining the pulse of the first transformer… the size of this shorted coil in number of turns will determine the voltage output I guess…

The idea is that when high current stop or change direction you get high pressure