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« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2009, 19:28:45 pm »
aha, you're right I guess. Haven't got much experience with vector calculus, will keep this in my mind.
now 2 equal and opposite charges, tied together, what happens when put into the middle of the fields?
two elephants pulling a rope with equal force?

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« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2009, 19:33:16 pm »
a pulling and pushing force on both charges in opposite directions

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« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2009, 19:37:56 pm »
a pulling and pushing force on both charges in opposite directions
yes
- field pushing - particles and vice versa, like you said before

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« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2009, 19:40:15 pm »
well those are point charges, but you can imagine the same thing for parallel plates (or tubes...), if you have both positive or both negative you will get a pure repulsion force between them, or one of each, positive and negative, where the field is directly across the gap from one side to the other.

now imagine this

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« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2009, 20:11:16 pm »
so, can we conclude the force vectors net zero at the center / 0V, acting on the molecules ?
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« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2009, 20:13:50 pm »
here the elephants in action.. one elephants red.. the other is black.

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« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2009, 20:28:17 pm »
so, can we conclude the force vectors net zero at the center / 0V, acting on the molecules ?

when the +/- e fields overlap, if that is possible at all, won't that create a net 0 e field vector?

not exactly, there is voltage gradient across the gap, the direction is constant, but the magnitude just happens to switch from positive to negative

voltage means "difference of electrical potential"

so 20+ and 20- volts is the same as 40 volts, (the total difference of electrical potential is 40 volts) but since we "know" that the 20- volts is caused by extra electrons and the 20+ volts is caused by missing electrons then we can understand the distinction

and this is an important distinction because it relates directly to the force on the water molecule

20+ ----- 10+ -----    0    ----- -10 ----- -20
40+ ----- 30+ -----  20+ ----- 10+ ----- 0

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« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2009, 20:45:20 pm »
so, can we conclude the force vectors net zero at the center / 0V, acting on the molecules ?

when the +/- e fields overlap, if that is possible at all, won't that create a net 0 e field vector?

not exactly, there is voltage gradient across the gap, the direction is constant, but the magnitude just happens to switch from positive to negative

voltage means "difference of electrical potential"

so 20+ and 20- volts is the same as 40 volts, (the total difference of electrical potential is 40 volts) but since we "know" that the 20- volts is caused by extra electrons and the 20+ volts is caused by missing electrons then we can understand the distinction

and this is an important distinction because it relates directly to the force on the water molecule

20+ ----- 10+ -----    0    ----- -10 ----- -20
40+ ----- 30+ -----  20+ ----- 10+ ----- 0