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Re: Winding the VicCoil
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2008, 20:24:00 pm »
I believe what is said is more the likes of the following . 6-1 is made with an I core of electrical steel grain oriented , wich acts as a close loop when bobbins are wound like they are... No mention of closed loop core here ...

Plz see these posts...

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1223

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=870

This is where I am buying my core...

http://frysteel.com/

I also believe that the pulsing core 3-23 was Stans old all-in-1 with toroid design , I believe he used this design for the cell  with the buggy , It used a PLL .  I am 100% sure that the VIC coil 6-1 for the injector didnt use any PLL circuit , plz see this post I made on the subject .

http://www.ionizationx.com/index.php/topic,709.0.html

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Re: Winding the VicCoil
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2008, 22:55:54 pm »
An I-core is sufficient if the magnetic fields of both chokes cancel eachother out, but do they?
How are they wound and how is the current relationship?
Page 7-14 also talks about closed loop 53 of fig. 190.
 ???

I think you are right about the core, as said in the link you posted:
http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=870
VIC Bifilar Wrap Coil-Assembly (10-3B) and VIC Dual Coil Wrap-Assembly (10-3A) both utilize either
"E"& ā€œIā€ and "U" Inductance Core configurations to concentrate Mutual Inductance Fields (Rp l/Rp2) in order
to optimize Amp Inhibiting Process. "E" ā€œIā€ core shape (10-3B) is most preferable since amp spike surge is
minimize during repetitive pulsing operations.

john, are you intended to create amp inhibiting coil 860 of 8-10 ?

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Re: Winding the VicCoil
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2008, 23:27:49 pm »
It is impossible to know by Stan's words how exactly the chokes are wound , there is no connection here showing either ...

I have spoken of this many times already , but what I am interested in is building it right , I dont care what happens and how the end wires connect , I want to build it right then see for myself .

So we know we have chokes , 2 of them ... 56 and 62 but how exactly are they wound on the core ??

See this post to see the only 2 possibilities that make sense here , its either a  regular  bifilar wound where each section has both choke 56 and 62 wound bifilar . Or it is not wound bifilar at all and each choke is individually wound in sequential order  ... red/green/red/green


http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1171


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Re: Winding the VicCoil
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2009, 00:17:09 am »
I think they are wound together, because secondary pickup coil is drawn the same way, which is not bifilar.
But, the attachment explains why the secoondary and bifilar are illustrated like they are in 6-1, to maximize inductance.
(but your link was pretty clear on this)

So you did notice 6-1 missed B-, lol now I realize.
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Re: Winding the VicCoil
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2009, 00:37:49 am »
Alan,

I am trying to wind the 620 coil in figure 7-1.  I think it is the figure 6-1 coil assy.  I dont know how to include the wiper yet.
I think I will start without it.


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Re: Winding the VicCoil
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2009, 00:48:13 am »
Not sure, but maybe inductance decreases when the I-core is pulled out a bit.
It is a mystery to me how he used a wiperarm on his VIC.
Instead of a wiperarm, how about a HV variac parallel to the watercap to vary the resonance frequency?
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Re: Winding the VicCoil
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2009, 00:57:38 am »
I think he just tapped the coil.
This would be like a wiper.
Doesn't it show tapping at 3 different points on the secondary somewhere.
This may change the bifilar inductance through the magnetism used for secondary inducted strength.
Or tapping at other winds of the coil.

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Re: Winding the VicCoil
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2009, 06:15:07 am »
The taps you can do later on after each section has been wound , you will be able to tap and know exactly how much % of the coil you have tapped , this is no biggy ... Just tap the wire connecting each section to the other ...

Impossible to include a wiper arm here forget it ...