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Winding method
« on: October 12, 2008, 19:55:20 pm »
I wanted to nail the winding the first time . I`ll be making the VIC 6-1 with removeable sections.

Im pretty sure the bifilars are wound section by section using the regular winding technique *right to left then left to right on the next layer then right to left on the next layer and so on...*

Im pretty sure the secondary is wound like this also.

What im not sure about is the primary tho , heres a picture of what 2curious did .

http://waterfuelcell.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=669&start=30

It seems to me like he used the technique *right to left then left to right on the next layer then right to left on the next layer and so on...* but that he reversed the pitch angle of each layer so that his windings make an X

Also i have this method in mind , i`m really not sure about this ,  i guess the bifilars and secondary would be way too annoying to wind this way in a thin spool but maybe the primary ? Really unsure of this method.

http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=76661861gz4.png

what do you guys think of all this ?

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Re: Winding method
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2008, 23:25:13 pm »
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/sclxmtr.htm

it seems as if the Winding of 2curious and Naudin have similarities....I think i made up my mind regarding the windings.

Thx guys....

Make several coils and see which are the best.
200 windings are easy..

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Re: Winding method
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2008, 03:38:53 am »
dankie in the link to naudins site you linked to his scalar waves experiment......i hope your not trying to wind your meyers bifilar coil in a cadecus manner.....the wires are to be wound in the same direction but hooked up to oppose each other.......look at naudins meyers replication......and kevin wests......look at the way the bifilar is hooked up....in the schematic it looks easy but notice naudins numbers for his bifilar coil hookups.....1243........very important.....kevin west does a great job by straight up showing you the connections.....and meyers puts a lovely dot on his more in depth diagrams.......i have already made a bifilar coil......and to get it to create a second pulse like meyers states it has worked with this method.......look at kevin wests diagram of his bifilar coil that is the best visual to use.......a cadecus coil like in hte link provided will take what ever wave you put into and simply destroy it......destroy meaning it will turn it ino super 1 mile long ELF frequencies........this was the purpose of his experiment......i have heavily researched into scalar waves and the cadecus winding......there is a difference between interweaved and cadecus.....

just trying to make your first winding not a complete failure and to save you time....

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Re: Winding method
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2008, 05:21:11 am »
Put up the link here so i can see plz , i cant find nothing on his crappy site .

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Re: Winding method
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2008, 06:26:51 am »
well his crappy site is filled with much valuable information.

here notice how it is connected.


notice the coil orientation...on the bifilar winding.


notice in both of the above images the flow is set to go against each other....

that is why in jlnaudins bifilar schematic it is 1243 instead of 1234...........just buy bifilar wire and wind it nice and simple.......then set it up to run against each other......here is an image posted a long *  time ago WHICH EXPLAINS TESLAS BIFILAR COIL PERFECTLY THIS IS HOW IT IS HOOKED UP!.....i have tried it the other way with no results.....you just get the same pulse out that you go in.



and a video.....
http://hhocarkits.com/index.php?option=com_seyret&task=videodirectlink&Itemid=26&id=51

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Re: Winding method
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2008, 22:51:02 pm »
Great reply H20 , this is something one should ponder on , but how is some 1 supposed to match the inductance of the primary .030 with the secondary .002 . Its slightly farther from the core true but not that much , and its Bigger as well .

Where exactly in the brief does he point towards that direction ? can you quote me this plz , i'm a bit puzzled .

Kinesis , H20 is right , the drawings meyers did are correct , and i believe the injector has the chokes hooked up like naudin , not like the neogen Crux hookup. What i really need help understanding is the primary winding . I see now what you mean by 1243 and 1234 , i think my coil setup will be 1234 .


Stan Says ****longitudinal wrap and layered bidirectionnal****
« Last Edit: October 15, 2008, 01:28:34 am by dankie »

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Re: Winding method
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2008, 01:36:17 am »
H2OPOWER


I know you have more experience with the VIC than I do as I have not yet tried to build it. I know the inductances are required to match match.

The thing I wonder about is why does the primaries inductance have to match?

It is not a part of the secondary HV circuit, It is only magnetically coupled to the secondary through the inductance coupling...

And the primary is not an LC circuit so it will not resonate, will it?


ALSO,  will the chokes have ot be the same gauge as the secondary if they are not made of 430 SS?

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Re: Winding method
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2008, 03:43:48 am »
ughh.

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Kinesis , H20 is right , the drawings meyers did are correct , and i believe the injector has the chokes hooked up like naudin , not like the neogen Crux hookup. What i really need help understanding is the primary winding . I see now what you mean by 1243 and 1234 , i think my coil setup will be 1234 .

naudin had his hooked up like meyer like neogens and like kevin wests......that is what the 1243 means......look at the dot orientation on the resonant charging chokes.....peopel jsut simplify it in schematics to show the concept the only person that drew it how it is visually seen is kevin west and neogen.....meyers put a lovely dot.....and naudin number it correctly.....wind it how ever you feel.....but you can't go wrong with bifilar winding.....becuase you can just connect it differently when you realize it won't work 1234, but will only work 1243 or even 2134.......if you don't wind them together in the same direction you will have problems......just take 2 wires wind them together side by side the whole way through and when you connect it to the circuit the current has to oppose each other to cancel each other out.


i may be making this comlicated sounding but the neogen image, naudins numbers, meyers dot orientation on the resonant charging chokes, and kevin west's visual layout are all one in the same.