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Copper Tube Meyer's Type Setup
« on: September 04, 2008, 01:49:53 am »
For grins, I put together a copper tube setup for the Meyer's type cell.  It is made up of four tube sets.  The wall thickness of the copper tubing is very thin, and therefore I was unable to get the gap I was looking for..  My gap worked out to approximately 2.3mm.  My inner tubes are 1/2" wide and my outer tubes are 3/4" wide.  My outer tubes are 5" in length and my inner tubes are 6" in length.  I'm using 2.5 mm nylon string trimmer line for my insulators.  It fits pretty snug so far.  This is only a preliminary test package with no electronic circuits being used and no diodes being used either.  The power source is a variac with a full bridge rectifier before the cell.   The water being used is tap water.  The inner tubes are all negative and the outer tubes are all positive.  I'm running the setup at 12.2 VDC.   

Initial Test  Results:
My initial test results were very poor gas production. 

Remedy:
I then took the tubes apart and passivated them in diluted phosphoric acid for fifteen minutes.
 
2nd Test Results:
My next test results were very promising.  The gas production was phenomenol for just 12.2 vdc.

Problems:
The water turns blue fairly quickly.  There is a very dark blue gunk about 1/2" thick that floats on the top surface of the water if you run the cell for fifteen minutes or over.  There is a lighter colored blue gunk that floats beneath the dark blue gunk.  The lighter blue gunk is about 1/2" thick also.  The bubbles are dark blue and are long lasting bubbles. 

IF THERE IS ANY INTEREST, I WILL POST PHOTOGRAPHS.
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Re: Fiditt's Copper Tube Meyer's Type Setup
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2008, 05:36:27 am »
Blue means your Copper is being consumed. Very high voltages will rapidly dissolve copper very very fast.


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Re: Fiditt's Copper Tube Meyer's Type Setup
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2008, 13:51:59 pm »
KillerRain,

Thanks for your interest.   The degradation of the copper is very apparent in my tests.  There is a lot of very fine copper film sluffing off the walls between the two sets of opposing tubes from time to time.  It just blows out the top of the stack with all the bubbles.

 I previously forgot to explain why I was using the copper tubing.  First off, let me say that I can purchase the stainless tubing for less than the copper tubing from Verocious Motorsports.  The primary reason that I'm fooling around with the copper tubing, is that it's much easier to machine and work with.   Therefore using the copper tubing will help speed up my cell prototype building.   Once I have a prototype doing what I want it to do, I'll then build a real cell with stainless steel tubing and/or plates whatever the case may be.

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Re: Fiditt's Copper Tube Meyer's Type Setup
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2008, 23:06:40 pm »
I can confirm that the copper is consumed by the proces of electrolysis.
That is why Stan the man used 304SS....
Its fun to see a tube consumed.... ;)

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Re: Fiditt's Copper Tube Meyer's Type Setup
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2008, 03:06:12 am »
I've also tried using aluminum before and it consumes rather quickly also.

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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2008, 04:01:27 am »
just a side note stan also tried brass and it was consumed quickly....the only metal which had any length in lasting was stainless steel, but even that over time would begin to be consumed....this is told from stephen meyer in an interview about his brother and his hydrogen work.

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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2008, 13:56:44 pm »
kinesisfilms,

Thanks for the information. 

Did Stephen share any other useful tidbits about the operation of Stan's cells that you'd be willing to share with the rest of us?   

Thanks in advance.


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« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2008, 21:15:39 pm »
oh of course.....he said that one of the reasons why voltage potential works is becuase of the stainless steel.......there is something about that metal...he also said that the one thing they couldn't go around with the water cell was the fact that over time you would have to replace the stainless steel becuase it would virutally be used up which is what creates the muck....so stainless steel is a huge factor to why this thing works....he said that meyers had tried many different types of metal and needed one that would be chemically inert such as ss 304....he stated that stans tubes were made of ss 304 and not 316.....and that they calculated the minimum amount of voltage needed to split water was 13 volts but they had physically seen it done with 11 volts.....and that the most fascinating thing to both stan and stephen (with the water cell) was the white whispy movements between the plates at a certain distance.....they noticed this in stans one cell where you could adjust the distance between the two plates...(this is the other cell in the independant study report)...their ultimate goal was something to do with snow and ice.....hence stanley meyers logo with the bible notation.....when stan died stephen meyer went off in his own direction in water energy source....he picked up with his brothers and his own ideas of ice and snow....and in the interview he wanted to know if anyone knew why snow was white and if he could figure that out he would be able to do it......he mentioned something about the water being in a frozen state and not moving, and the need not to have to seperate the hydrogen from the oxygen in order to use its energy....in a sense fuel in a solid state form......soo if you want there is a section in this site i posted with the links to the interviews....since stanley meyer is dead we have to get any ingformation from the people who surrounded him when he was alive....so educate yourselves!